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00:00You dated several years ago.
00:02He was in a bit of a rut.
00:04I thought I'd offer him a loan.
00:07There was no agreement.
00:08It was a verbal contract.
00:10The fact that you gave him money doesn't make it a loan.
00:13So what I'm telling you is that is not a contract.
00:18You have nothing.
00:20This is Judy Justice.
00:40Gay Georgie is suing her former friend, Lance Wologroski, for multiple loans and breaching
00:47their business agreements.
00:49Court come to order.
00:50All rise.
00:52Have a seat, please.
00:55Judge, case 4095, Georgie v. Wologroski.
00:59You're welcome.
01:01Ms. Georgie, according to what I read, you and the defendant dated.
01:06Yes.
01:07From when to when?
01:08So I would say roughly around June to September, a couple of dates, and it was maybe 2021.
01:17You dated from June to September, so a short amount of time, several years ago.
01:22Yes.
01:23And then you no longer dated.
01:25When did you go into a business relationship with him?
01:27We reached out to one another and-
01:31What does that mean, you reached out to one another?
01:32You dated?
01:33Text you.
01:34It was like a year or so, two years later that we started to communicate again.
01:40Okay.
01:40I would like you to now tell me, in your own words, what you're suing him for.
01:45I'm suing Lance for a breach of contract.
01:47Okay.
01:47What contract?
01:48Where is it?
01:48It was a verbal contract.
01:50It was a verbal contract.
01:50Okay.
01:50And-
01:51So you have- just a second.
01:52So if you don't have a contract, it's written-
01:55It's written in text messages.
01:56I'd like to see them.
01:58Yes, ma'am.
02:10Let's shoot some concepts and do a think tank.
02:14Right now, I'm thinking 50-50, and I'll put out the investment, and you can slowly or fast
02:21meet me halfway, and let's just keep it fair and fun, and he says, sounds like a plan.
02:26This is not a contract.
02:28Well, we did have a meeting, and we started speaking as well.
02:32We've seen each other, and we talked and all-
02:33Well, you may have been speaking, but that's not a contract.
02:34The contract has to have certain specified things.
02:36This is a wishy-washy, conceptual idea.
02:40Yeah.
02:40Okay.
02:40Now, so what do you think he owes you for?
02:43You purchased two machines to paint murals.
02:46I don't know where you were supposed to paint murals.
02:48Some more- I don't know where.
02:49So, there was these new machines that were a new invention, and I heard about them from
02:56a friend that he's saying people are paying them off in record time because he's in the
03:00financing.
03:00What?
03:01You're talking too fast for me.
03:02It was a new machine that draws murals.
03:05Yes.
03:06Murals-
03:07Whatever a customer may want.
03:09Whatever a business may want.
03:11Okay.
03:11So, it's for businesses or whatever?
03:13Businesses, homes, whatever.
03:15Okay.
03:15So, you purchased two machines.
03:18Yes.
03:18Yes.
03:18On what date?
03:19So, I offered to purchase the two machines.
03:22No.
03:22You don't-
03:23The date-
03:24No adjectives.
03:25No adverbs.
03:26What date did you purchase the two machines?
03:29There was two separate dates because two different machines, two different sellers.
03:33The first one, it was May 3rd.
03:37I went to pick up the machine.
03:38May 3rd.
03:38On the 4th, I brought it back to Lance's house.
03:41To that?
03:41May 3rd, 2000.
03:4323.
03:44And the second machine?
03:45The second machine on or about June 8th because there were several payments before
03:50it came.
03:51Okay.
03:51You have the invoices for the machines?
03:53I have the bank statements where it has the seller's names that the payments through
03:59Zell went to him.
04:00I'd like to see that.
04:01All right.
04:03I'm sorry.
04:04I don't know where my statements are.
04:05I had all of them.
04:07So the answer is you do not have an invoice from this gentleman.
04:11Just text messages of what he said it was going to be, but the amounts came to $4,489,
04:18something like that.
04:18What do you know about that, sir?
04:20All I know are these machines that she purchased from somebody-
04:24I asked you whether you knew-
04:25Oh, I'm sorry.
04:26I apologize.
04:27Do you know anything about the purchase of the machines and the cost of the machines?
04:34No, I haven't-
04:35Can I tell you what the machines cost?
04:37He has sent me text pictures of what the machines were and how much they were advertised for.
04:45Do you have that?
04:46Yes, I do, Your Honor.
04:47May I see it, please?
04:48Yes.
04:51I have a sir.
04:52Oh, I'm so sorry.
04:54So sorry.
05:02Okay.
05:02This one allegedly was somewhere around $4,000.
05:06I don't know whether you negotiated the price or not.
05:08I actually have the bank statements.
05:12Okay, I'd like to see it, please.
05:13All right, here's some.
05:15I didn't know how this got misplaced.
05:17I apologize, Your Honor.
05:23I have one for $300.
05:25There's a debit for $6,000.
05:27I have no idea what that is, and you can't tell me what it is.
05:30Yes, I can.
05:30No, you can't.
05:31It's hearsay.
05:32No, it isn't hearsay, because the other machine was at $7,000, which-
05:36Madam, pay careful attention.
05:38This one says you sent $300.
05:41Then you just have a debit that says $6,000.
05:44Because that's the other machine.
05:46I don't know that at all.
05:47Where are the machines now?
05:49They're at my house.
05:50Good.
05:50You have the machines.
05:51I don't have to deal with them anymore.
05:52Perfect.
05:53You have the machines.
05:54I'm not dealing with the machines anymore.
05:56But it's useless if he doesn't work it because I-
05:59Madam, madam, madam, I'm not going into it any further.
06:01You have the machines.
06:03Sell them.
06:04I've been trying to.
06:05Well, then do it.
06:05He broke them.
06:06You don't even say that they're broken in your papers.
06:09I've been working on them around the clock and I-
06:10You don't even say they're broken in your papers.
06:11I've been working on them around the clock and I-
06:11I'm not dealing with the machines you have.
06:14Sell them.
06:17There may have been a friendship, but it was a business relationship.
06:22That's what you're here for.
06:23Not because you got your heart broken.
06:26You're here because he said he owes you money.
06:28And he needs that he owes me money.
06:30No, he doesn't.
06:31He says he's countersuing.
06:32He says you owe him money.
06:43Gay Georgie claims her former friend.
06:46Lance Wologroski owes for a personal loan and the cost of a mural machine.
06:52Lance is countersuing for unpaid wages.
06:56Next thing we're going to deal with is money owed for a loan for living expenses.
07:00Did the plaintiff during the time that you were sort of involved in this business adventure,
07:06did she give you any money for living expenses?
07:10No.
07:11Okay.
07:11Money owed for a loan for living expenses.
07:14Would you tell me about that, Miss Georgie?
07:16Well, that was on the 4th.
07:18I took it-
07:18The 4th of what?
07:20The 4th of May when it came up with the machine.
07:235-4.
07:24So Lance was in a hard place and-
07:27I don't know what that means.
07:28He was in a bit of a rut and belly aching.
07:32So I, as a friend, thought, well, I need him to focus on these machines and get them up working,
07:38that I thought I'd offer him a loan.
07:41So I went to Wells Fargo around the block from his home and withdrew $1,300 and gave it to
07:47him.
07:47And I want you to tell me what the conversation with the fact that you withdrew $1,300 doesn't make
07:53it a loan at all.
07:54But it says right here, I'll give you a loan.
07:56Just a sec.
07:57May I see the text messages?
07:59Additionally, he-
08:00Not additionally, just give me the text message.
08:14Okay, this is you.
08:16My money would be well spent by giving you a little loan.
08:19And he says he doesn't want a loan.
08:20But if you want it to work out, this is also him, some written agreement.
08:24As far as a loan or whatever, I'm willing to work it off.
08:28I can do wall painting jobs until X amount is paid back or whatever it takes to make sure you
08:33get your money back.
08:34By the time he wrote that, there was already $5,000 in his pocket.
08:38So far, I have $1,300.
08:40Well, then there's others.
08:42I handed you that, but there are others.
08:46So that's the $1,300.
08:47Then there is $1,000 on the 5th of May.
08:52I'm sorry, May 23rd.
08:54Then there's on $8,1 another $1,000.
08:59And then on the 22nd, $1,000.
09:03When did he start working on your house to start to pay this off?
09:08So that was in September, and I believe it was the 17th.
09:13And what did he do?
09:13He painted a wall that was 8x15.
09:19He did a 7x8 wall and a 10x8 wall.
09:22Okay.
09:23And he did that in September.
09:24And what date?
09:25The 17th and the 19th, roughly.
09:28What else did he do?
09:30Down the hall is a little wall that is also 7x8 and 4x8.
09:35And how did you arrange for this barter?
09:38Because what he's doing in your house is barter.
09:41Yes, ma'am.
09:42So how did you arrange?
09:44Did you arrange it hourly with him?
09:46So much per hour?
09:47So much per job?
09:48He started the job.
09:50He asked how much is he going to pay?
09:51And I said, I responded back, I don't know, and shrugged my shoulders
09:55because I wanted to discuss it with him.
09:57We got to the point of discussing it.
09:59And he wanted to know how much.
10:01And I said, listen, I can get a guy on Craigslist for like $300, $400,
10:06because they were advertising.
10:08Don't tell me, but you could have, should have, would have.
10:10And either give me $300 and I'll get somebody,
10:15or, you know, we can take $300, $400 off.
10:18And he agreed, but he really didn't even finish the job.
10:21Okay.
10:22He didn't finish the job.
10:23I really can't help you.
10:24These are loosey-goosey things, and I really...
10:27No, it was trusting.
10:28He told me to trust him and that I should know you're good enough.
10:31And then you want...
10:32And he gave me his words.
10:33Madam, you're dealing with contracts, yes,
10:36yet you don't have a contract.
10:38You're dealing...
10:39I'm speaking.
10:39I'm speaking.
10:40I'm speaking.
10:42You're dealing with barter,
10:44and yet you didn't fix the price for the barter
10:47in order to pay off this money.
10:49I did. $300.
10:50No.
10:51You didn't agree on a number, is what I said.
10:56I don't know.
10:57Look on Craigslist.
10:58If I look on Craigslist, I can get somebody to do it for $300.
11:02You want to do loosey-goosey business this way?
11:04Because this is, according to you,
11:06a business relationship that you had.
11:09No, we also had a friendship.
11:11There may have been a friendship,
11:13but it was a business relationship.
11:16That's what you're here for.
11:17Not because you got your heart broken.
11:19You're here because he says he owes you money.
11:22Yes, ma'am.
11:23And even he says he owes me money.
11:25What?
11:25And even he says...
11:26No, he doesn't.
11:28He says...
11:28He's countersuing.
11:29He says you owe him money.
11:30He's saying how he'll pay me back.
11:32The countersue is frivolous.
11:35What I'm telling you is you don't have a contract,
11:38and you're asking me to make the terms of a contract.
11:41Yes, ma'am.
11:42He says to you in the text messages,
11:45we'll figure out some way for me to pay you back for this money.
11:48Mm-hmm.
11:48He did, in fact, according to you,
11:51come to your house and do projects.
11:53What didn't happen anywhere that I see
11:56is that you discussed with him,
11:58if you come and paint this wall, paint this area,
12:00and he came different dates, according to you.
12:03For a few hours.
12:03This is what's going to be credited $500,
12:06credited $300,
12:08credited $200 towards the money that I gave you.
12:11Anybody have that?
12:12No, it was verbal.
12:14Not everything is going to be by text, but I understand.
12:17Just my own curiosity.
12:19Sure.
12:20Were the two of you at the time that these machines were bought,
12:23were you socially involved other than in the business of these two mural machines?
12:28No, not at all.
12:29Now, when she bought these two mural machines,
12:31I assume that she bought them and dropped them off at your house?
12:35That is correct, yes.
12:37What did you do with them?
12:38I tried to assemble them.
12:39When she bought them, they were used in a million pieces with no instructions whatsoever.
12:47Yes.
12:47There were instructions.
12:48He keeps saying there weren't instructions.
12:49They were in Chinese.
12:50I had to get a translator.
12:52You're an American.
12:52Would you put that down and don't speak again?
12:54You see how he didn't interrupt?
12:56Yes, ma'am.
12:57Okay, very good.
12:58He's lying.
12:59Your case is dismissed.
13:01You didn't understand me.
13:03It was nonsense to begin with.
13:05You have the machines.
13:06Now, the only thing that we don't have is we don't have the repayment of this money that you allegedly
13:12gave him.
13:13Let's get to the money, sir.
13:14Sure.
13:17I never took a course of that in law school.
13:20Look at the size of the room, calculate what the general population makes per hour as a painter, multiply that
13:26by the square foot of the wall and the time that it took, and then you figure out how much
13:31is left on the loan.
13:32I declined to do that.
13:43Gay Georgie has accused her former friend, Lance Wologroski, of refusing to pay back multiple loans.
13:51Lance claims he worked on Gay's house, and she owes him for unpaid wages.
13:57How much money did she give you over the course of a month's period?
14:00I only have a recollection of, I have $1,000 she gave me as a Zelle payment, and that is
14:09back in, I believe, May, and then one in July and one in August.
14:15So it was a total of $3,000 that she claimed she'd loaned me.
14:21That she loaned you?
14:22Yes, she claims.
14:23I told her it was for work that I do.
14:26Okay, but you didn't tell her it was for work that you do.
14:28He never said that.
14:29You didn't tell her that, sir.
14:30No.
14:30Because...
14:37I'm so sorry.
14:38You didn't tell her that, sir, that she was giving it to you for work.
14:41You said, how am I going to pay you back?
14:43Right.
14:44The problem is, I have no way of gauging the value of the work that you did in her house.
14:48If you both agree that you were not involved in a social relationship, and if she gave you several thousand
14:55dollars, whatever it is, and you did work in her house, how is one supposed to gauge whether you paid
15:01back half of the loan or a quarter of the loan or the full loan?
15:06Can you help me with that?
15:08I do have an invoice or an itemized list of the work that I have done at her house.
15:13Just a second.
15:14When did you write that?
15:15So I did four days in a row of working at her house.
15:18Just a second.
15:19You did four days in a row of working in her house?
15:21Yes, September of 20th.
15:22Yes, September of 20th.
15:22Okay, and?
15:23And after the fourth day, I was almost completed, and there was baseboards left. And at that point, I said,
15:31you know what, it might be a good time to ask, how much am I getting paid for this? And
15:35she simply said...
15:36You mean, how much are you not getting paid for this?
15:38Yes.
15:38You mean, how much is going to be written off what I owe you?
15:41Okay, we can put it that way, yes.
15:43I'm putting it that way.
15:44I'm not putting it that way if that's the way it is.
15:47She didn't say.
15:48At that point, I said, you know what, I'm going to cordially leave.
15:51I've got to think about this because I'm not sure if I want to go ahead.
15:55Not because, not because, I don't care.
15:56Okay.
15:56So when did you make up that list is what I'm asking you.
15:59It was probably about a month afterwards.
16:02Oh no, I'm not interested in that.
16:03Okay, all right.
16:03I'm not interested in that, sir.
16:05Do you have anywhere how much he was supposed to get paid for the four days he worked?
16:10It wasn't four days, though.
16:12You gave me dates.
16:13Yeah, two days.
16:14The 17th and the 19th of September.
16:17So you were there, she says, two days. Is it correct that you were there two days?
16:21No, it was four days that I can recall.
16:23So how much do you think you owe her?
16:25I feel I owe her nothing.
16:26You feel as if your debt has been satisfied.
16:28Well, number one, I feel that she claims she loaned me money.
16:32So when I worked all this work that I've done for her with these wall printing machines,
16:36there's no compensation for that whatsoever.
16:39That's because you were in...
16:39Okay.
16:40There was no agreement, no agreement ever between us about this.
16:44And what are you counterclaiming? I'm interested, sir.
16:46Then tell me about your counterclaim if there was no agreement whatsoever.
16:49Okay.
16:50Money owed for unpaid wages.
16:52Where's your agreement with regard to wages?
16:54Your counterclaim.
16:55Oh, there's no agreement, yes.
16:56Well, then how can you sue her if there's no agreement with regard to wages?
16:59Okay, well, I'm calculating the work that I did for her for the construction at her home.
17:05Just a second.
17:06Okay.
17:06You're calculating that?
17:08Yes.
17:08And how many hours were you at her home?
17:12Look at your invoice and tell me how many hours.
17:14I have a total of 36 hours.
17:16That's impossible.
17:17To paint this...
17:18Just a...
17:19That's impossible.
17:20Four days?
17:21Okay.
17:21Impossible.
17:22You don't have four days, sir.
17:24I recall being there for four days, yes.
17:27Okay.
17:27Listen.
17:28I can't figure out your mess.
17:30Okay.
17:31There's no way to figure this out without a good guess.
17:35And unless you have...
17:36I have pictures of the walls, ma'am, if you want to see.
17:39I don't care about the pictures of the wall.
17:40That's not the issue.
17:41Don't you understand?
17:42Well, you'd see how small they are.
17:44I don't care!
17:45You're asking me to create a contract for you.
17:47I declined to do that.
17:49Well, it wouldn't take four days to where I was going with that.
17:51What difference does it make?
17:53You're asking the court system to make a contract for the two of you.
17:58Courts don't do that.
17:59You want to enter a business arrangement, make a contract.
18:02You don't have a contract.
18:03And if he works at your house and you didn't say, listen, come to my house, work it off.
18:08I'll pay you $50 an hour.
18:10We'll figure out the hours at the end of each day.
18:13We have six hours, $50 an hour.
18:16But there isn't anything.
18:17How am I supposed to guess how much of the work that he did vitiated a part of this loan
18:23that you made to him?
18:24By seeing the size of the room.
18:26Goodbye, madam.
18:27I can't do that.
18:28You asked me that.
18:29I never took a course of that in law school.
18:33Look at the size of the room.
18:36Calculate what the general population makes per hour as a painter.
18:40Multiply that by the square foot of the wall.
18:42And the time that it took, whether he was a fast painter or a slow painter.
18:46And then you figure out how much is left on the loan.
18:48I declined to do that by looking at the wall.
18:51You have to have a contract with him.
18:55Courts will enforce a contract.
18:57If there are terms for a contract.
18:59But we don't make the terms of the contract.
19:02That's not what we do.
19:03I'm sorry. I can't help you.
19:04This court is adjourned.
19:08Well, I relied on Lance's expertise.
19:11And that's why I asked him that in the first place.
19:13I would have never gone into the endeavor if he didn't want to do it.
19:19Well, there was actually, I tried to get a business contract.
19:22But she did not want to go ahead and go forward with it.
19:25So in hindsight, I'm very happy I did not sign any contract with her.
19:29And he was doing really well.
19:31But he started dropping the ball because he was chasing his tail, trying to get work.
19:37I put in a lot of work there.
19:39And when it came time to almost be finished with it,
19:42that's when she said, basically, I'm not paying you anything.
19:46No, it's done. It's done.
19:49Don't be such a nice guy.
19:51You nice guys seem to finish last.
19:53And I'm not, you know, from now on, I'm going to be more thorough in who I deal with from
19:58here on out.
20:00Another great example of when in doubt, write it out.
20:03Contracts, write it out.
20:05Don't think that just because you have it in a text that that's sufficient.
20:08Just take the extra 30 seconds.
20:11Too many loose ends.
20:12The whole thing was free.
20:13It was not an offer, an acceptance, consideration, and terms.
20:17Without that, courts can't help you.
20:19Yeah.
20:19Courts can't help you.
20:20You're going to be a sloppy business person.
20:22You can't come to the courts and say, you know, help me.
20:25Agreed.
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