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00:07I'm going away.
00:09You're going to be good to stay with Dad?
00:11We'll feel it out.
00:12I talked to Kyle when you guys were in the Hamptons.
00:14She was just like, I'm worried about Tariq.
00:16Her moods are erratic.
00:20In my 40 years of life, I have never left a dinner party crying.
00:24I thought you ran away from a cult.
00:26We want to know about the cult.
00:28The longer I was there, I was there, I was there, I was there.
00:29The more controlling things got.
00:31This is what this group needs to hear about you.
00:34I am very excited about taking another trip,
00:36and Italy is the place to be.
00:38We're going to travel in three groups to Italy.
00:40The first group is me, Kyle, Amanda, Sutton, and Natalie.
00:44Look at that. Oh, my God. Look at how gorgeous.
00:46Wow. This is stunning.
00:49Here, there will be Amanda and Sutton.
00:51Isn't it cute?
00:54This trip, I want to help Amanda be understood
00:56and be heard and be truthful.
00:58Dorit can be hard to get your point across to her.
01:02But I think if she wanted to get to know me,
01:04there would be space for me to speak.
01:09In this town, stars come and go,
01:12but diamonds last forever.
01:15I'd die for fashion, but now I'm living for me.
01:20I turn ambition into an art form,
01:23and I am the masterpiece.
01:25I might live on a main road,
01:27but I definitely bring main character energy.
01:30I didn't marry into money.
01:32I manifested it.
01:35Survival isn't my story.
01:37It's my superpower.
01:40I'm unfiltered, unbothered,
01:42and finally, unburdened.
01:54Yes, a massage.
01:57I'm going to take a shower,
01:58because I've been traveling since yesterday.
02:01Hi, Natalie.
02:03Your luggages are here.
02:04Ready?
02:04Thank you so much.
02:06We're tracking my luggage.
02:07They don't even know where it is.
02:11Here.
02:12What bags are here?
02:13All of them?
02:14Even my little carry-on brown one?
02:16Yes.
02:16What about my little Louis Vuitton carry-on?
02:18I don't know.
02:19If I see it, I will let you know.
02:20This is what happens when I don't keep my eyes on my bags.
02:30Thank you, thank you.
02:32Oh my God, you guys have been here in so long.
02:38I mean, to be able to be in a villa in Florence,
02:42to be able to have this experience.
02:43I know I've only ever stayed in hotels.
02:45So, Fabi from the other side.
02:47Perfect.
02:48It's been so long since I've been able to speak Italian.
02:51The things I want to do in this Italian vacation,
02:54I want to eat Italian food.
02:56I want to do a little shopping.
03:00I want to just enjoy myself.
03:03Do you understand me?
03:07This is stunning and we haven't even gotten inside.
03:10Ladies, welcome to Tuscany.
03:12And Bibiani, how are you?
03:14I'm so excited.
03:15Some of the ladies have already arrived.
03:17Oh, yeah?
03:18I'm obsessed.
03:19Wow.
03:20Look at the main corridor.
03:22Uh, I'm home.
03:23Oh my God.
03:24Oh my God.
03:26Oh my God.
03:26Oh my God.
03:27Oh my God.
03:28Beautiful.
03:29This is like movie .
03:33Like you see in movies, like not real life.
03:38This is the sweet master, the Medici.
03:41Ooh, the Medici.
03:42This is stunning.
03:44No offense to Sedona or Sutton, but Bose should be like nominated for president.
03:50It literally feels out of like a romance film.
03:54Sophia Loren should be like, you know, in one of these rooms sitting in some beautiful gown.
03:59Welcome to your room.
04:01Welcome to your room.
04:01Come here, Doree.
04:02You have your personal private sauna.
04:06Oh my God.
04:08Oh my God.
04:09Oh my God.
04:12Oh my God.
04:12No.
04:14No.
04:15No.
04:17No.
04:17I've never seen anybody fall on the floor for a sauna, but okay.
04:21Oh, no.
04:21No.
04:22No.
04:24No.
04:24No.
04:24No.
04:25This is beautiful.
04:27Ah.
04:27No, very, very special.
04:30I don't want to leave here.
04:31When are we leaving?
04:32We're not leaving.
04:33No.
04:34No.
04:34We live in Italy now.
04:38Hello.
04:38How are you?
04:39Thank you so much.
04:43Something says the house is beautiful.
04:45I have big plans.
04:46I want to do a photograph in the pool.
04:50When I travel, I like to do like the thirst trap.
04:53And I feel like if I'm under water, it'll look very elegant.
04:57Like take your clothes off?
04:59Yes.
04:59Yes.
04:59Naked.
05:00Beautiful.
05:02Every time I go on vacation, I instantly think I want to do a naked thirst trap photo.
05:07I don't know what it is.
05:09Perhaps it's the wonderful summer sun.
05:11I did it last year in St. Lucia.
05:14Yeah.
05:15Thirst trap.
05:16Why is everybody doing these thirst things?
05:18Yes.
05:19My body has lots of wibbly wobbly parts.
05:21So I always try to be mostly submerged in water.
05:25Water is very forgiving.
05:28It's really charming.
05:30My goodness.
05:31This is amazing.
05:32Gorgeous.
05:33Look at these hedges.
05:34Oh, look.
05:35There's a staff.
05:36Oh, my God.
05:37It's downtown Abbey.
05:40Maybe some of these guys can join me in my naked thirst trap moment.
05:46Oh, wow.
05:47It's beautiful.
05:47So welcome to Villa Bibbiani.
05:48I probably shouldn't say that because I have a boyfriend.
05:51This is a fancy house.
05:52It has an elevator.
05:54Up we go.
05:55All right.
05:56Wee.
05:57Do you have a fan for me?
06:00A fan?
06:01I like the sound.
06:02Oh, really?
06:03Yeah, sure.
06:05This is your room.
06:06Oh, that's such a nice room.
06:07Let me introduce you to the suite del prete.
06:11Oh, this is so pretty.
06:12I love it.
06:13Are you prepared for the surprise?
06:15Yes, I am.
06:16Look at that beautiful window.
06:18Oh, wow.
06:21This is a 1700 chapel that has been blessed by Pope Clement XIII.
06:27Wow.
06:27It's so gorgeous.
06:29Oh, so pretty.
06:31Hello.
06:34I know there's ghosts.
06:36I can feel them.
06:37Okay.
06:37I did bring a little ghost repellent, though, so I think I'm good.
06:50Was they rebusting her Italian?
06:52Beyond.
06:53She's talking to the neighbors.
06:54She was accosting this older couple with her Italian.
07:00Hi, honey.
07:01Hi, my love.
07:01How are you doing?
07:02Are you dressed or no?
07:03I'm just about to.
07:04I just got my luggage, so I'm just going to throw something on.
07:09How's Skye feeling?
07:10I was talking to my kids earlier.
07:12They seem to be doing great.
07:13Hi, baby.
07:15Mom, I'm in a chess game right now.
07:17I just got here.
07:18I'm unpacking, but my clothes don't fit in my closet, of course.
07:21Are you a dad's?
07:22Does Skye want to talk to me?
07:23Not particularly.
07:24Okay.
07:25I love you.
07:26All right, baby doll.
07:28Basically, Bo said just get glammed up, and we're just going to chill and have, like, a nice night here.
07:33You know?
07:34Go do your thing.
07:34Go get dressed, and then we'll go down and have a drink.
07:36I need a drink.
07:37Do you?
07:38Yeah, big time.
07:39Big time.
07:40Tonight, because it's my first night in Italy, I wanted to look very Italian, and so I'm going to wear
07:46this feathery hat, because nothing says I'm Italian than a lot of multicolored feathers.
07:51Johnny got braids to put in the back of my hair.
07:53Oh, I love it.
07:54This is here I paid a lot of money for.
08:00Are we the first?
08:01I guess so.
08:02Okay, I don't think anyone's down here.
08:03Hey.
08:04You look pretty.
08:05How was getting ready after that flight?
08:07Good, actually.
08:08Could I have still water?
08:09I'm feeling not hydrated from the flight.
08:12Hello.
08:13Oh, good.
08:15Girl, you pulled it together.
08:16Well, this is what I packed in my carry-on.
08:18Well, how are you feeling?
08:19Are you feeling okay?
08:20I feel good.
08:21I'm clean.
08:22I have on clean clothes.
08:23Same.
08:24What else can I say?
08:26Wait, did they give any update on your bag?
08:28Oh, yes.
08:28What's the update?
08:29It is in Germany.
08:32Okay.
08:32It is in Frankfurt, and it is hopefully going to be here tomorrow.
08:36Okay.
08:38Oh, Kyle.
08:39Hi.
08:39You guys already like that?
08:41Yeah.
08:41We're dressed.
08:42What are you doing?
08:43I need a steamer and some glue.
08:45Meanwhile, we're about to go have cocktails and chill out.
08:49Yes.
08:50I mean, wow.
08:50What about your looks like though?
08:51Your hair is done?
08:51Makeup is done?
08:52Makeup is done?
08:52I tried.
08:53Whatever.
08:53What's happening?
08:54How's your roommate?
08:56Oh, yeah.
08:57How's your roommate?
08:59I almost forgot.
09:00I forgot to ask.
09:01I need to understand.
09:03How will this happen?
09:03I need some clarification.
09:04You went from the way you guys were in Sedona to, I'll room with her.
09:09No problem.
09:10No problem.
09:10Sutton is planning to take down Amanda in her sleep.
09:12I think that's actually the reason why she's been to room with her.
09:15I mean, I think this is a case of Sutton just doing the most.
09:19Like, she felt like she had to be nice because things weren't comfortable.
09:24You really had to go to that extreme Sutton?
09:27Sleeping in twin beds with Amanda?
09:29Amanda better not leave her drink unattended.
09:32I think she's going to wake up in the middle of the night and be like, her opening.
09:36I think it'll be okay.
09:38I'm new to the midriff game.
09:40You know what it's like being pregnant with twins?
09:42The stomach is never quite...
09:44No.
09:45And this is the first time to have a midriff moment since having babies.
09:48That is very exciting.
09:49So the whole thing is really a moment for me.
09:51The night is yours.
09:52I mean, something.
09:53What could go wrong?
09:54It can't...
09:54Starting off okay.
09:55Yeah.
09:56Hi, guys.
09:57Hi.
09:57I haven't seen you in forever.
09:59You look gorgeous.
10:01Are you in Dolce?
10:02I feel like we...
10:02I am.
10:03Hi, honey.
10:04Hi.
10:05You're beautiful.
10:06I do love our colors together.
10:06We should take a photo.
10:07Honestly, like, you know me, I don't hack with strategy at all.
10:11You didn't around with the jewelry though, did you?
10:13I think these are all Dior from like a life, literally like a lifetime ago.
10:18Hello.
10:18Oh my God.
10:19Look at the green.
10:20Look, everybody's all Dolce.
10:22Come on and out.
10:23How gorgeous.
10:24How are you?
10:24Jennifer Tilly is my hero.
10:28She's like an art form.
10:30When she commits, she is committed.
10:34I need somebody at home to pour me drinks.
10:37My boyfriend's never there.
10:38In the chicest, chicest way.
10:41Hello.
10:42Sutton Brown.
10:43Hi, Sutton.
10:43You look gorgeous.
10:44Oh my gosh.
10:45Is this all borrowed finery?
10:47No, this was in my carry-on.
10:49Here she is.
10:49Hi, honey.
10:50You are just gorgeous.
10:51You look beautiful.
10:52You cleaned up so nice.
10:56Hi, guys.
10:57Hi, queen.
10:59Hi, everybody.
11:00Hi, everybody.
11:00It's stunning.
11:02Oh, hey.
11:05Everybody's really, I am impressed with all of us.
11:09I really want to know what Rachel thinks about twinning with Amanda in this Dolce Print dress.
11:17She probably burned it.
11:20Hi.
11:20Hi, everybody.
11:22Hi.
11:22Hi, lady.
11:23Hi, honey.
11:25Hi.
11:25Hi.
11:25Hi.
11:26Where's Tariq?
11:27Where is she?
11:28Let me just give her a quick call.
11:30I love her.
11:31Look at all of you.
11:35We love it.
11:36You're so wonderful.
11:37Boz, the very big surprise is ready.
11:42Okay.
11:43Well, let me make one phone call.
11:46I'm making it.
11:46And then we'll be...
11:47Yes.
11:49Almost ready.
11:50I don't know.
11:50We're going to try her.
11:51Should we try it one more time?
11:52Yeah.
11:53Try it one more time.
11:54What's the surprise?
11:56I'm going to tell you the surprise.
11:57Surprise.
11:58Okay, Stefano, we're so excited.
12:00Just give me a few minutes.
12:01It just seems that Dorit has increasingly been late to everything, everywhere we go.
12:07It's like she's just in her own time zone.
12:09Come on.
12:10Hey, Boz is waiting for you.
12:12She's got some surprise.
12:13Everybody's waiting.
12:15Amanda, have you seen Dorit since she came back?
12:21I have not.
12:23Speaking with Dorit feels like torture.
12:25I told you my kid died and you kept getting really, really strong.
12:29Just no?
12:29Don't touch me right now, please.
12:30Okay.
12:31I need to be able to go to a dinner party without being verbally accosted.
12:35Were you verbally accosted by me?
12:37My experience is that when you get to the heart of a person, you can hear each other.
12:42So, I'm going to try one more time.
12:45Let's clear this up.
12:47Honey, I'm in my way.
12:50No, seriously.
12:53Coming up.
12:54What about the fact that everyone share that same opinion, but you're most offended that I have it?
12:59You know what it is?
13:01You've got to learn to read the room and know your place.
13:14Come on.
13:15Hey.
13:16Baby?
13:17Bose is waiting for you.
13:18She's got some surprise.
13:19Everybody's waiting.
13:20Honey, I'm on my way.
13:23No, seriously.
13:24Erica, I literally got my luggage.
13:27I swear to God.
13:28It was in Kathy's room.
13:30Oh.
13:31All right, let's go down here.
13:32We need to go have a good time with the people.
13:34But I have to, I have to do this bag because that's fine.
13:38I don't even think you need a bag, but whatever.
13:40I know.
13:40Well, come on, come on.
13:42Erica, did you take my rings?
13:44Absolutely not.
13:45I meant like for me.
13:46No.
13:49Everybody looks so pretty, right?
13:54Good.
13:57So you went together?
13:58I did.
13:59Thank you so much.
14:00Girl, you look fantastic.
14:02I love it.
14:03Beautiful.
14:03So we are all done now.
14:06We are definitely, definitely, definitely ready for the grand surprise.
14:11Yes.
14:11Nice.
14:13Look at this.
14:14Oh my goodness.
14:16Wow.
14:17Welcome to the Villa Bibiani Theater.
14:20Oh.
14:27Look at this blue.
14:29So lovely.
14:30Look at this room.
14:31Oh my God.
14:32Oh my God.
14:33So beautiful.
14:34Look at this.
14:35Gorgeous.
14:36This is so luxurious.
14:39My God.
14:40This to me is like the ultimate of all things to have in your villa.
14:46A theater.
14:48I'll be taking the stage right now.
14:52That's a goal.
14:53Not like we're going to watch movies in my theater.
14:56But no bitch, we're going to put on shows in this theater.
15:00This theater belongs to the 1700 and is like all hand painted.
15:06As usually we say in this moment.
15:09Let's have the music start.
15:12No, I don't think so.
15:13Oh, okay.
15:14I don't think so.
15:15This is amazing, Bose.
15:16I don't care what happens after this.
15:18I mean.
15:37Oh, I do that too.
15:39La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.
15:57I love opera.
15:59So much so that I'm on the LA opera brand board.
16:02Okay?
16:03If these women have any culture, they're going to appreciate it.
16:07And if they don't appreciate it, they ain't got no culture.
16:10Okay.
16:12Oh, we got this one.
16:16Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:17We're going to sing along.
16:18Try it and try it.
16:18Sing along, everyone.
16:24Tonight, I am getting a little bit weepy because my mother was an opera singer.
16:28And so, we always used to listen to opera growing up in the house.
16:32So, I am in seventh heaven listening to these beautiful singers.
16:52I'm gonna let you in on a little secret.
16:56I fall asleep at opera.
17:02Please tell no one.
17:11Hey, Tori.
17:12Hi.
17:12Could we speak?
17:13Whenever, I just need you to the restroom.
17:15We'll talk in a minute.
17:16Hold on.
17:19Here, do you want to take a selfie with me to get your mind off the fact that you have
17:22to pee?
17:22Yeah.
17:24For memories.
17:24Okay.
17:26Have you enjoyed spoken at all?
17:27No, but I am so ready to speak.
17:29I just want to say what I have to say and hopefully get to a better place.
17:32We have not seen her since that dinner, right?
17:34Yeah.
17:35That feels like it was forever ago.
17:36It was a long time ago.
17:37So, hopefully, we've had time to collect our thoughts and settle.
17:41Did she say hi to you?
17:42Wait, I just asked her to talk just now.
17:45Oh.
17:45And she said she needed to use the restroom when we could speak.
17:47Pose?
17:49Yes, honey?
17:49When do you want to do dinner?
17:51Because Amanda's asking me to go.
17:53Yes, we're just waiting.
17:54Well, she asked to have a conversation with me, so I just want to make sure I'm not holding
17:59you up.
18:00You're not holding us up.
18:01If you allow us to, we'll eat without you.
18:04I'd rather have dinner, and then we can chat later.
18:07Okay.
18:07Right after dinner?
18:08Yeah.
18:10Dorit has zero respect for Amanda.
18:12So, Amanda has to, like, show her, one, that she cares about her relationship with
18:19Dorit, and two, that she wants to fix it and, like, really be, have conviction about
18:26it.
18:26Let's have dinner.
18:28She went to a lot of trouble.
18:29Everyone's, you know.
18:30But being such a weenie doesn't show that.
18:36Come on, girl.
18:37I'd rather it go and enjoy.
18:39Can we speak privately?
18:40Can we, though?
18:41Amanda, whatever you want.
18:43But let's, let, I want to enjoy myself.
18:46So, you want, you have something to say, and you want to say it.
18:50Let's have dinner, and then say what you got to say.
18:52Okay.
18:53Okay?
18:53Okay.
18:54Cool.
18:57Coming up, throw me you out to dinner with PK.
19:00We flew all the way over here.
19:01You didn't tell me this .
19:02I'm picking and choosing who I speak to about my situation.
19:06Oh, okay.
19:15Dinner is ready.
19:16Yes!
19:20Absolutely beautiful.
19:21I have to take a video of this.
19:23This is like a dream.
19:24She took her shoes off.
19:25I'm very scared.
19:27I don't think this is a good idea for my tiny ankles.
19:30Woo!
19:35This is so beautiful.
19:37Oh, my God, you guys.
19:39It's so pretty.
19:40Oh!
19:41I'm showing Alexia the flowers.
19:47It's so beautiful, Stefano.
19:49Again, thank you so much.
19:50Thank you, Stefano.
19:51Beautiful.
19:52Thank you so, so much.
19:53I think we need to bring Stefano home.
19:55What do you mean?
19:56We live here now.
19:58Like, it's a tiny, tiny bit.
20:00A little.
20:01Thanks so much.
20:02That's enough.
20:03Just a taste.
20:04I appreciate it.
20:05This oil is the one that we have over here because we have the olive groves.
20:11So, this is definitely-
20:12Did you make this, Stefano?
20:13Yeah, we do it.
20:13We do it.
20:15Mmm, that is good olive oil.
20:16Oh, thank you so much.
20:18No one.
20:19So, we will start with some of the classic things that we serve here in Tuscany.
20:26So, the classical pecorino Toscano cheese.
20:29Thank God.
20:30Melon with raw ham.
20:32Wait, I have to take a picture of this.
20:34Oh, this is my son's favorite thing.
20:36I would eat prosciutto and melon literally every day.
20:40Cheese!
20:40Yes, we want cheese.
20:41Honestly, I feel so much happier when I'm in Europe.
20:45I feel like it's where I'm supposed to be.
20:47I have a retirement plan to live in a chateau in the south of France,
20:52overlooking the sea, and just to live in caftans and jewelry,
20:58and then sit on the beach and make jewelry, just for fun.
21:01I lived in London for 10 years.
21:03We were UK residents.
21:04Right, that's what I thought.
21:05But we'd come to LA every six weeks.
21:06Would you live in Europe?
21:07I'd move tomorrow, 100%.
21:09I would.
21:10I'm gonna be perpetually tan.
21:13I will die tan.
21:14I promise.
21:15And hopefully wearing Chanel.
21:17We'll see.
21:20Yes, please.
21:21That beef looks beautiful.
21:23Isn't that beautiful?
21:24It's sexy and gorgeous.
21:25It's sexy and gorgeous.
21:27Bolognese or cacio e pepe?
21:28Uh, cacio e pepe.
21:29Tori, can I ask you a question?
21:31I saw, I don't know if Manuel saw, you were out to dinner with PK.
21:36You did?
21:37Girl, we flew all the way over here.
21:39You didn't tell me this .
21:41What?
21:42The is going on with you?
21:45Kemsley.
21:46I quit.
21:48I've sort of pulled back and really picking and choosing who I speak to about my situation.
21:54Oh, okay.
21:55This is a very personal and sensitive.
21:58It's my life.
21:59And to be judged or to have people's opinion about what I should or shouldn't be feeling or saying and
22:05so on and so forth.
22:06It just feels like there are certain people in this group that I feel more comfortable sharing.
22:12I know you're not talking about me.
22:14You should have told me.
22:15You went to dinner with her.
22:16Well, how do you know that I talked to you freely?
22:18Okay.
22:18I was insulted.
22:19How do you think I felt when I saw you holding hands with a guy?
22:24Excuse me.
22:25Hold on a second.
22:26No one knew that.
22:26Exactly.
22:27No one was supposed to see that.
22:29It was like a second date.
22:30So, come.
22:31That was a second date.
22:34So, what happened?
22:35Everything, is that a good, that's obviously a good sign, no?
22:38It's not about getting back together at all.
22:40I didn't think so.
22:41But it's all about the kids.
22:43We now are inserting a consistent schedule.
22:48That's great.
22:48I feel like that's a very good sign.
22:50That's very positive.
22:51Do you feel happy with where you are?
22:54Relieved, probably.
22:56I feel relieved.
22:57Great.
22:58If this dinner with PK went well, I'm hoping this is the first step of them mending their
23:06relationship regardless of where that takes them.
23:09And that that means that Dorit will be in a better place mentally.
23:11I see you now as being stronger.
23:14This is good.
23:15Huge steps.
23:15Small steps.
23:16Yeah.
23:17But like, just the step.
23:19Yeah.
23:19The step is good.
23:20Huh.
23:20I'll have another piece.
23:22Because it's really, really good.
23:24Medium.
23:24Okay.
23:24I'll do this one.
23:25Beautiful.
23:26See the changes?
23:28Check things.
23:29I'm shocked to see you two sharing a room.
23:33But I didn't think that it was the smoothest at your place.
23:38Talking about somebody else's marriage is not nothing.
23:42You can't be such a wimp.
23:44Come on.
23:45You know better.
23:46Hey, you're in my home.
23:47Don't call me a wimp, please.
23:48Yeah, I don't know if this is a good choice for Sutton.
23:51And she's been trying to repair her relationship with Dorit.
23:54So, what's going on here?
23:56Are you causing trouble Sutton Brown?
23:58Why did you choose to room with her?
24:00I told her.
24:00I told her my thoughts on why I wanted to share a room with her.
24:03And what were your thoughts?
24:04Yes.
24:05When I was at your house, I was quite strong.
24:08Yeah.
24:09On my opinion of how you've been handling this thing with Dorit.
24:13But when I started thinking about it, I've also been new to this group and felt picked apart a little
24:21bit.
24:21I thought, I don't want Amanda just feeling alone.
24:25I just wanted to say to Amanda, look, it's okay if you have an opinion, but you should have told
24:31Dorit.
24:32I believed fully that if I explained what happened, why it happened, how it happened, what I meant by it
24:37in the full context, it would be clear that no one was talking bad about you.
24:42You don't know me very well.
24:43You don't know the situation.
24:46Having that judgment, I think if it was coming from a good place, then I would expect that you would
24:53sit down and have a one-on-one conversation.
24:55And then if I had invited your opinion or your advice, however, it just felt like when I'd asked if
25:02you had said it, it felt a lot of putting it on Kyle.
25:08Okay, Amanda, I have a question.
25:09Do you feel like Dorit talking about PK and her situation is not a good thing?
25:13What is your actual opinion?
25:15Let's just clear it now.
25:16I said it multiple times now.
25:17Which is?
25:17I think it could make her life hard.
25:19Yeah.
25:20What about the fact that everyone, I think, or a lot of us, share that same opinion, but you're most
25:26offended that I have it?
25:27Okay, so you heard Kyle's opinion and you adopted it as your own.
25:30Fine.
25:30I didn't adopt it as my own.
25:31I agreed with it because it made sense to me.
25:33Great.
25:34That's the same.
25:34It's six of one and half a dozen of another.
25:36So I was asking if that's how you felt.
25:39Does it bother you that you don't know her very well and she would speak like that one way to
25:43your face and then another way at Kathy's?
25:45Absolutely.
25:46That's what was my point.
25:47But also that can also be supporting you by saying, I don't think this is a good idea because we
25:51are looking out for you.
25:53But that's a different opinion you have because you have history.
25:57If a friend is coming from a good place and they say that to you once and you hear them
26:04and then they say it repeatedly and to other people and behind your back and then to other people that
26:10don't know you,
26:11it suddenly starts to feel like it's no longer they're looking out for you or trying to look out for
26:17you.
26:20You know what it is?
26:21I think when somebody doesn't know someone, you got to learn to read the room and know your place.
26:33If Kathy Hilton, who is a beautifully put together woman, tells you to read the room and know your place,
26:43baby, you're .
27:00You know what it is?
27:01I think when somebody doesn't know someone, you got to learn to read the room and know your place.
27:11Amen.
27:13In this moment, Kathy is voicing what everybody is thinking.
27:16But Kathy's the one who says it, which is really surprising because Kathy is usually the peacemaker.
27:22It shut everybody up.
27:23Everyone's like, Kathy?
27:25She must have really got under your skin.
27:28What about the fact that it is an informed opinion?
27:31Like, I worked closely with a lot of children of divorced parents as a therapist.
27:36I did see parents talking bad about each other, making things hard on the family.
27:43But she's not talking about him to her kids.
27:46You're not her therapist.
27:47You are her friend at a dinner table.
27:49So just put it in a friendship box and not in a therapeutic box.
27:54Doree, what do you need from Amanda?
27:55I don't need anything, Kyle.
27:57I'm not saying that.
27:58Kyle, you're not the therapist.
27:59That's not what I'm saying.
27:59I don't need anything.
28:01Do you want something or need for an apology or...
28:04I don't need anything.
28:08Let me ask you this.
28:11When you brought up the cult the other night at the dinner,
28:15what was your intention when you went back 357 blog posts to a blog I wrote 14 years ago?
28:23Well...
28:23If I was annoyed with somebody, I'd do a deep dive.
28:27Definitely didn't read 357 blog posts.
28:29But how did you get there?
28:31It's called Google.
28:33If you search Amanda Francis...
28:35Cult?
28:36Cult.
28:36It doesn't come up.
28:37No, I checked.
28:38Girl, it sure does.
28:41But is it something to be hidden?
28:42Is that why?
28:43No, I'm not hitting it at all.
28:43Okay, so then there's no problem.
28:45Yeah.
28:45I'm just wondering...
28:45What were we talking about?
28:46It just feels like a deep dive where you're looking on dirt.
28:50I mean, you should take it as a compliment because I don't usually Google anyone.
28:53But you had said that you sold hundreds of thousands of books.
28:57And so I went to research a book and I came across this blog.
29:03But a cult is like a serious word.
29:06Absolutely.
29:06Meeting the criteria for a cult means the environment has to be unique.
29:10Yeah.
29:10Unique.
29:10Controlling.
29:11Systems of reward and punishment.
29:13What did you experience?
29:14We want to talk about the cult right now?
29:16I cannot hear.
29:16You know who you're talking about?
29:17Sure.
29:18So the way their reward and punishment worked is when...
29:21Well, I think you should stop and tell them how you got into it.
29:24Okay.
29:25The purpose of the cult is like...
29:28Is it a religion?
29:29I mean, give us a highlight reel.
29:31Highlight reel.
29:32Okay.
29:32Girl growing up in the Bible Belt.
29:34Very, very close to her youth pastors.
29:36Very close.
29:37They're like parents to her.
29:38They were moving far away to start a church.
29:42And they recruited a lot of their youth to go with them.
29:46And at first it's like, you know, a church internship.
29:48I'll say at first it's pretty chill.
29:50It got scary isolating, scary controlling.
29:53Wasn't speaking to my family.
29:55The more isolated and controlling it gets,
29:58it's almost like you don't have words and language for the regular world anymore
30:02because you're in this like system that's not normal.
30:06So you can't go out to the world and just have a conversation
30:08because the way you speak, the way you think is so not of the world anymore.
30:13Right?
30:13Were you going out into the world?
30:15We all worked day jobs to support the church.
30:18But when we were out in the world, we were kind of recruiting for the church.
30:20So it got more isolating, more controlling, more crazy.
30:23It went on.
30:24And I said, y'all, I want to go to college.
30:26I said to the pastor, I want to go to college.
30:27Didn't you say you were like in your 20s when you joined it?
30:30Well, I was 16 when I met them.
30:32I moved.
30:33I followed them down after ministry training school.
30:35So I was 19.
30:36When you're isolated and you're young like that,
30:38and those are the only people you socialize with.
30:40You're very impressionable.
30:41Yep.
30:42When I think of cult, I think of Charles Manson.
30:45I think of people out here murdering people.
30:48What about that mother God cult?
30:49Remember them?
30:51Prayed to this woman that turned silver and then carried her dead body around
30:55in the backseat of a, like, a station wagon or something.
30:59Wrapped in Christmas lights.
31:01Okay?
31:02Mother God.
31:03So there's a lot of this going on.
31:05And the mother God, people better leave me the alone.
31:07A lot of times it doesn't get crazy until it gets crazy.
31:10My point is, these things happen.
31:13When we say cult, maybe it's not like the Manson cult.
31:15Perhaps it is this sort of coercive, very tightly controlled environment.
31:23I mean, some people thought Bikram yoga was a cult.
31:26Was there any physical, emotional, sexual abuse?
31:32Emotional, psychological, not physical or sexual.
31:34But there was boys and girls.
31:36That run the cult? Yeah.
31:38Yeah, yeah.
31:38And they want the girls to marry the boys in the...
31:41They make babies right away, so you're kind of stuck there, right?
31:43But do they let you leave freely?
31:46Let me...
31:47Oh, I ran away in the mobile night.
32:00Do they let you leave freely?
32:02Let me...
32:03Oh, I ran away in the mobile night.
32:08Did they not track you after that?
32:09They tried a lot.
32:11They tried a lot.
32:12I called the ordination...
32:15I don't know how to say it.
32:16I called where the pastor was licensed and ordained and said,
32:20this is what this man is doing.
32:21You need to call him and tell him to leave me alone.
32:23And they did.
32:23And I never heard from him after that.
32:25Wow, that was easy.
32:26I think everybody's interested in the idea that Amanda,
32:30who seems to have it all together, was in a cult.
32:33Well, if you had to escape in the middle of the night,
32:36surely there must have been some type of pressure.
32:40And then she says, I packed everything up
32:43and I just left in the middle of the night.
32:45And we're all like, and then what happened?
32:47And she's like, that's it.
32:48That was like the end of the story.
32:50I am happy you brought it up.
32:52Actually really happy.
32:53Because it wasn't really on the forefront of my mind.
32:55And then I got to have a great conversation with Erica.
32:57And then I sat down and outlined my next book.
33:02Which is going to be on this topic.
33:04And I think it's all kind of perfect.
33:06I'm happy about it.
33:09Did you want to go back after you left?
33:12There was something that made you want to leave the system.
33:17So, okay.
33:18Man, I don't know if I have the stamina to go through this story.
33:22Hold on.
33:22Well, if you're going to write a book about it,
33:23you need to have the stamina for it.
33:25Well, I can write a book.
33:26I've proven that.
33:31I believe in life.
33:32When you're open, you get exactly what you need.
33:34I didn't know I needed a batshit crazy person
33:37to bring up the cult all the time to inspire me to write.
33:40But God delivered.
33:42We are going to capitalize.
33:45We are going to write the book.
33:47Thank you, Dorit.
33:48Bless her and her ghostwriter.
33:50It's so funny to me that everybody's like,
33:52why do you want a room with Amanda?
33:54She's interesting.
33:55And this very wild way.
33:59Like you have had a very interesting life.
34:02So how's the rooming?
34:03Is it good?
34:04Do you enjoy it?
34:05We listened to Taylor Swift and got ready.
34:07Oh, God.
34:07Take it easy.
34:08Take it easy.
34:09Take it easy.
34:10I love you.
34:10Holy .
34:12What happened?
34:14Wait.
34:23I really just want to make sure that she feels, you know,
34:28welcome here in Florence with us.
34:30Are you getting solved?
34:31Yes, I'm getting solved.
34:33Oh, well, she can switch on a dime.
34:34You're up to something, brown.
34:50Good morning.
34:51Okay, my loves.
34:53I have news and it's news you're really going to like.
34:55So I'm writing the God book.
34:57Maybe everyone call it spiritual as .
34:58I'm not sure.
34:59This morning, I started the intro.
35:02We have an intro.
35:03My next book is going to be out in the world.
35:05I am so excited.
35:08Bellissima.
35:10We're going shopping today.
35:11Mmm.
35:12So excited.
35:14Collections in Europe, the collections in Italy
35:16will be different than what you get in America.
35:18Oh, of course.
35:18Good girl.
35:19This is good for a 20-minute clip.
35:21I love it.
35:32I'm stuck.
35:39Help.
35:41Help.
35:43Help.
35:45Help.
35:46Help.
35:47Help.
35:48Just want a cappuccino.
35:55This is so pretty.
35:57I know.
35:58It's nice.
35:58It's sitting under the umbrella.
36:00Oh, lovely.
36:01There's fruit.
36:03I like the healthy fruit and these Fonzis.
36:07They're akin to a Cheeto.
36:09Oh.
36:10And who doesn't like a Cheeto?
36:12Hello.
36:12Hi.
36:13Hi.
36:14What are you all doing out here?
36:15We're just hanging.
36:16I'm writing my book.
36:17What?
36:18What's happening, girls?
36:19How did you sleep?
36:20I got less than six hours, so not amazing.
36:23But I feel better than I did yesterday with no sleep.
36:26Yeah.
36:26How did you feel about last night?
36:31If I were to be really honest...
36:33That would be nice.
36:34Yep.
36:34I think I always am.
36:36Whatever.
36:37You know what I mean?
36:37Like, to me, the energy felt hostile, tense.
36:41You cut it with a knife, and that's not fun.
36:43That's not how I want to do dinner.
36:45Well, then you've got to make it stop.
36:46I think the person who can keep their cool and just say what they have to say is the person
36:51who has more control.
36:53I like time to think about what's been said, formulate my thoughts, be clear on how I feel,
37:02and not be emotionally reactive.
37:04So I always, almost always, try to speak from, like, a calm, regulated place.
37:11That's usually a good thing.
37:13I would go crazy if some person went and found something and tried to make it really negative.
37:21Because it's not like she was like, ooh, this is so fascinating to me.
37:25Amanda, tell me more about your life.
37:26Tell me about this cult.
37:27It was like, well, you were in a cult, you weirdo.
37:31That's how it came across.
37:32Do you not feel she's judging you about the cult?
37:34She's probably judging me.
37:35Right.
37:35So then she was upset with you for judging you about the PK thing.
37:38Well, she's judging you for the cult.
37:40So why didn't you say, like, if you have such an issue with judging people before getting to know them,
37:43why are you judging me right now about the cult?
37:46A belief in this group seems to be that unless you're acting absolutely crazy,
37:53you're not expressing yourself.
37:55And that is untrue.
37:57I think there's a lot more strength in stepping back and deciding whether this is a conversation worth my time
38:03and energy.
38:04If I can't get anywhere with Dorit, I'm not going to engage because what's the point?
38:09Amanda, I'm sorry. You're frustrating me.
38:13Don't let her seem all over. You don't want anybody. Just...
38:16I'm gonna get ready, guys.
38:17I can't do it. I can't talk in circles. You can't make a cat a dog.
38:20Connect with your feelings and share them.
38:23You're gonna do it.
38:25Why am I eating these Cheetos?
38:30Coming up.
38:31What prompted him? Why did he have to choose that moment?
38:34He's not even with him. You're not around.
38:36And dropped it like a big box.
38:37Can you imagine this?
38:38Like, the whole thing is so torched up.
38:39Oh, my God.
38:46I mean, Pamela, really?
38:48I literally woke up.
38:50I overslept because I got a full jet lag blackout.
38:53And I wake up and I see this text from Caius.
38:56And I want to kill myself because I'm like...
38:58I mean, I can't believe I wasn't awake.
39:00But it was like...
39:01It must have been 6 a.m. my time.
39:04I get this text from Caius.
39:08And...
39:09He basically tells me, you know, his dad sat him down to talk about the girlfriend.
39:17I'm gonna throw up.
39:19Okay. Okay, I love you.
39:21Okay, I love you.
39:21All right, bye.
39:22Baby!
39:24Look at this text from Caius.
39:26No.
39:28He told me that Brie...
39:30Shut the...
39:31Yeah.
39:32A month ago, she showed up at the airport before they were leaving for camp.
39:35So you know that my ex has this girlfriend, right?
39:38No.
39:38She's never met the kids.
39:39My kids are leaving.
39:41And literally, she appears.
39:45Dad was there and it was just like, this is my friend.
39:47And it was like, hi.
39:48And I was like, hi.
39:49And I just looked away and I was like, oh, that's the person.
39:54And then I believe he said, this is my friend.
39:57So in actuality, the conversation hadn't been had.
40:01Or it's like, I have a girlfriend.
40:03I think when they hear it for real, it's different than kind of suspecting it.
40:09You had the conversation.
40:10Yeah.
40:10You want to know what the conversation was?
40:12Don't you dare tell them about her or bring her around them without my consent.
40:18It's like, the airport was the worst.
40:21After the airport, I was like, okay.
40:24I already, I annihilated him for that.
40:26Okay.
40:27Then the first night you're with him?
40:29No.
40:30In five weeks, six weeks, like what?
40:33And this is what you do?
40:35This is the stuff of mother's nightmares.
40:38He knows you're away.
40:39He knows I'm away.
40:41He knows I'm away.
40:42He knows you're away.
40:43He knows I'm away.
40:44Roger sharing with the kids that he has a girlfriend put such a finality on their parents' split.
40:50Like you f***ing asshole.
40:52You f***ing asshole.
40:54Oh my God.
40:55And you know what it does to you?
40:57As a mother, being thousands of miles away, not being able to swoop in and just grab your kids, comfort
41:03them, make it all better.
41:05It makes you feel like a failure.
41:08Is Skye with him?
41:09Skye's not with him.
41:11Skye's at his best friend's house.
41:12No.
41:13Without his brother, without me.
41:14So what prompted him?
41:16Why did he have to choose that moment?
41:17He's not even with him, you're not around, and dropped it like a big bomb.
41:20Can you imagine this?
41:21No.
41:22And then it's like, and then Kyes can't even reach me.
41:25And I can't even call him now because it's 5.30 in the morning there.
41:28Like the whole thing is so twisted.
41:29Oh my God, honey.
41:32Let's talk about it.
41:33Like, to me, forcing my kids to be in a situation that they don't feel comfortable is like the most
41:42brutal thing that I could ever f***ing do.
41:45To me, it was just an absolute, blatant disrespect and disregard for the family dynamic.
41:54Are you gonna message Roger?
41:55Yeah, I already did.
41:56Oh, you did?
41:57I asked him what the f*** he was thinking.
41:59It's like, the only thing I'm actually thinking about is how do I get home?
42:03Because there's no way I'm having fun right now.
42:05If I f***ing took drugs, this would be the time.
42:08If I smoked cigarettes, now would be the time.
42:13Next time on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
42:16Oh, look at David.
42:17Oh, wow.
42:19Notice the cum gutters.
42:20I'm sorry, what did you say?
42:22Today, out of the blue, you're talking s*** again.
42:25How did I talk s*** about me?
42:26I wasn't talking s***.
42:27And I would be pissed.
42:29Please hold.
42:30Should we all get masks?
42:31Who's gonna be Pinocchio?
42:33Amanda.
42:34Don't pin this on me, Amanda.
42:36She said yes, that's what she said.
42:37You're lying.
42:39And you know what doesn't lie?
42:40The camera.
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