Homicide New York Season 3 Episode 2

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00:22Hello, my name is Kenneth Kimes.

00:25You don't really know me.

00:27You may think you know me, but you do not.

00:30You may think you know my mother, but you don't.

00:33My son and I are innocent.

00:35There is a huge evil cover-up going on.

00:39The police have made a terrible mistake.

00:47With Sante and Kenneth Kimes, there's something more than a mother and son relationship here.

00:54People who seem to come and go from the Kimes' lives disappeared.

00:59I got a call.

01:00My friend Irene is missing.

01:02We had an 82-year-old socialite who disappeared from her townhouse.

01:07Every day, without exception, I'd get a call from the police commissioner's office with a simple question.

01:14Where is Irene?

01:18We don't know where she is, but we pray for her.

01:21I pray with my son at 11 o'clock every night.

01:24We pray she's all right, but we don't know where she is.

01:28We are innocent.

01:29And if just given our rights, we will prove it.

01:39Our job is to make sure you can go home and sleep at night.

01:43It's so important for a family to know who murdered their relative.

01:48Compassion for the victims, that's the most important thing.

01:52I've always liked the peek behind the curtain.

01:56What really happened?

01:58You want to find out the truth.

02:00That's what detectives do.

02:03Your instinct is to help people.

02:06In New York City, the NYPD.

02:12This is it.

02:26In 1997, I had 10 years as a New York City cop.

02:29I got promoted to third grade detective.

02:32And I got transferred from the 34th precinct in Washington Heights to the 19th precinct,

02:37which is the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

02:43It's probably the richest part of New York City.

02:47We would get homicides, but certainly not compared to other precincts.

02:51Within a year of being in that precinct was a burglary on Fifth Avenue.

02:55So we go up there, and it's Mary Tyler Moore's apartment.

02:58That's the kind of case that we were working on.

03:02The precinct covers from 59th to 95th Street, from Fifth Avenue all the way to the East River.

03:08It's like a big square.

03:09And there's all kinds of high-rises, so it's very densely populated.

03:13When I got transferred, I had culture shock.

03:16I went from the basement to the penthouse in one move.

03:26In 1998, 4th of July weekend, the city was a ghost town, especially the Upper East Side,

03:32because everyone goes to their Hamptons house out in Long Island.

03:36On July 5th, it was myself and two other detectives working.

03:39Everyone else took off.

03:43A call comes in about a missing person by a staff member of an 82-year-old woman named Irene

03:49Silverman.

03:50I'm the junior detective, so the two other guys were like, well, kid, this is yours.

03:55Here you go.

03:55I was like, oh, shit.

03:57No one really wants a missing person's case.

04:00They usually, um, someone ran away or went somewhere for the weekend.

04:05They didn't tell anybody.

04:06They usually come back and the case winds up being closed.

04:09But we had to check on it.

04:13So we went over to the, to the townhouse.

04:17It was on a great block on 65th Street, right off of, uh, Madison Avenue.

04:26I was a second-grade detective who grew up in the housing projects in East Harlem.

04:31And the first thing I thought was, this is probably the first time I walked into a multimillion-dollar building.

04:38It was a beautiful five-story limestone with a penthouse deck on the roof.

04:44I had not been in many, many buildings that took my breath away as to, you know, wow, this is

04:49really expensive.

04:50This is really, really a woman who's well off.

04:54When we first get to the townhouse, uh, no one's there except Irene Silverman's housekeeper and Jeff, who was her

05:00personal assistant.

05:02The staff started to tell us.

05:04Last night, she threw a Fourth of July party.

05:06She had a lot of guests.

05:08They had a great time.

05:09The next morning, at about 11.45 a.m., was the last time any of her staff saw her.

05:15Irene was gonna go take a nap.

05:17Later on, at about 4, 35 o'clock in the afternoon, uh, Marta goes and knocks on Irene's door to

05:24her bedroom.

05:25And Irene doesn't answer.

05:27She goes into the room and realizes that Irene is not there.

05:32I never forget, it's one of the saddest days of my life.

05:37The phone rang, and it was Jeff.

05:40And from the tone of voice, I can sense that something very serious and something wrong is going on.

05:47So all Jeff says, is Irene with you?

05:50I said, no.

05:52So, um, uh, Jeff, the next thing, Jeff said, we were all hoping that Irene is with you, because you

05:57should spend Sunday together.

05:59He said, she has been missing since 12 o'clock.

06:01I said, what happened?

06:02She said, we don't know.

06:04So, I say, uh, I'll come over soon.

06:08When I get to the house, the whole staff was there, everybody.

06:11Suddenly, everybody was at a loss that the lady of the home is gone.

06:19The staff said Irene would never leave the residence by herself.

06:23She always had someone escort her, whether it was to the store or wherever.

06:26Someone always went with her.

06:28But they also said that this woman is a shopper's attack.

06:33There is no Alzheimer's.

06:34There's no dementia.

06:35Nothing like that.

06:37We searched the whole townhouse.

06:40We started tracking down guests that were at the party, getting the names so we could interview them also.

06:47The staff told us that her keys were missing.

06:50Not only that, they said that she always kept money on hand, and they said that there was $10,000

06:54missing.

06:55And they showed us where, um, she kept the money, and that envelope was gone.

07:01The people who she employed told us that she treated them just like family.

07:08I remember being impressed with how much they, uh, cared for Irene.

07:13That said a lot about the character of Irene Silverman.

07:16To have your worker that loved you and devoted to you and want to do the best for you.

07:24They tell us that she doesn't have any family.

07:26She was a socialite.

07:28So if she liked you, she automatically took you in as a friend, would invite you to the parties, would

07:32invite you over to the townhouse.

07:33And that was it.

07:34You were part of her family.

07:36The more I got to know who she was, the more I really liked her, and the more I'd like

07:40to hang out with her.

07:42When she tore a party, she is the center of attention.

07:46Just like in the movie, the Auntie May movie.

07:50Oh, darling, I'm so glad to end.

07:53I called you yesterday.

07:54Where are you?

07:55Hello, darling.

07:56I'll be with you in just a minute.

07:57She held court like no one else.

08:00I first met Irene Silverman in 1994.

08:03I was at the peak of my career.

08:07I was the very first Asian designer that was championed by Anna Wintour.

08:12I went to this very fancy Christmas Eve party.

08:16My friend ran into the kitchen.

08:19She said, the grand dame just arrived.

08:21The grand dame just arrived.

08:23You must meet her.

08:24Everybody want to meet her.

08:27I was introduced to her.

08:28Even though she's tiny, she's barely five foot tall, but she's larger than life.

08:33She's so glamorous, so green, the way she dresses, the way she holds herself.

08:39She said, you must come and have tea with me.

08:42And I was there until after midnight.

08:45We had the best time ever, and she had the best story to tell.

08:50At the age of 17, she was one of the ballerinas at Radio City.

08:57And during one of the performances, Samuel Silverman was in the audience, was so smitten with Irene.

09:05After a courtship, they got married.

09:08Irene told me he's in finance.

09:10And then Irene started to live this very, very glamorous life.

09:16After her husband passed away, she started to get a little lonely in this huge mansion.

09:22So to entertain herself, she rented all the beautiful room to very wealthy people, for people who do not want

09:30to stay at a hotel.

09:37The people who she employed told us that directly to the back, as you come into the building, there's a

09:44door.

09:44And that door was for an apartment.

09:46On the first floor, she rented that apartment to a white male named Manny Guerin.

09:52The staff told us that Irene Silverman usually did background checks on her tenants.

09:57However, in this case, she didn't.

10:00A butcher who Irene used, that was a mutual friend recommended Irene's townhouse to Manny Guerin.

10:09On June 14th, he paid $6,000 for one month up front in cash.

10:18The staff mentioned that from the moment he came into the building, Irene felt that he was not a nice

10:25person.

10:27He would often listen to Irene talking to the staff in the foyer,

10:31and they knew that because they would see his feet right by the front door.

10:37We were told by staff that Manny was also sneaking a woman into the building named Eva.

10:44They described her as an older woman, well-dressed.

10:47Eva's a person that Manny claims that he worked with, almost like an assistant.

10:53When we go into Irene's office, there's papers on her desk,

10:57and there's notes that she wrote about the tenant in 1B.

11:01And some of the notes said that he was very suspicious, she didn't trust him, and she wanted him out.

11:05She actually drew like a little sketch of him and a description of his height.

11:12She wrote that he looks like jail.

11:15I remember the very first day Manny moved into the rental space.

11:21I was having lunch with Irene at the basement, and then we hear the elevator door open.

11:29Immediately, Irene sent Martha, who's the maid, to the elevator.

11:33She said, please tell Manny, the tenant, this is a private area.

11:37No tenant are allowed in this area.

11:41When Martha finally came back to the dining table, I never forget, Irene told me,

11:46you know what, I'm very suspicious of this guy.

11:50I said, what, Irene, why are you taking in someone that you suspected?

11:55She said, I trusted my butcher.

11:58So I did not ask for a background check, and then I agreed to rent them the apartment for a

12:05month.

12:07When we find out about the guy in 1B, that's when I was like, oh, this is not good.

12:12So all these flags are going up, you know, saying, hey, this guy's a shithead.

12:17We do a physical check of the apartment that Manny rented

12:20to make sure that she was not in there laying wounded or maybe even dead.

12:27The apartment was dimly lit.

12:29It wasn't a mess, but it wasn't tidy.

12:32The bed was unmade.

12:34There was boxes of food on the counter.

12:38In the garbage can in the apartment, there was a wad of duct tape.

12:43Also recovered was a spool of rope or string.

12:48One of the staff members notices that a comforter from the room is missing,

12:52and we find an empty shower curtain box with just the rings in it.

12:58Why would you need a shower curtain in an apartment with glass lighting doors?

13:03You don't need a shower curtain.

13:05It was at that point that we were thinking we might have an abduction of some kind.

13:16We bring our staff back to the precinct to do a sketch of Manny Guerin,

13:22the person in 1B that was acting suspicious.

13:25I was assigned to stay in the townhouse that night.

13:29That was my oh shit moment.

13:31I'm a junior detective.

13:33This is my ball of wax.

13:34We thought maybe there'd be a knock at the door of a witness.

13:37Maybe Irene would walk through the door.

13:39Maybe there'd be a phone call.

13:41Could have been anything.

13:41The only one who was with me was George Irene Stork.

13:50In July of 1998, I had the rank of deputy inspector,

13:55and I was also in charge of Manhattan North Detective Operations,

13:59which oversaw the 12 precincts in Manhattan North,

14:04from 59th Street up to the tip of Manhattan.

14:07We have what we call special category missing persons.

14:12Irene fit at least two of them.

14:15One was that she was 82 years old at the time,

14:20and the second was she seems to have disappeared involuntarily,

14:24and something drastic has happened to her.

14:27Special category missing person prompts a temporary headquarters to be established.

14:33I get a phone call from Inspector Resnick saying,

14:36Waz, you're going to have to go over the 19th precinct today with your team.

14:40Joe wanted to have the best guys,

14:42or the guys that were attention to detail guys.

14:46Joe Resnick is a tough boss to work for, I'm not going to lie.

14:49He's a no-nonsense kind of guy,

14:51but if I had a relative that was missing or murdered,

14:54I'd want him running this investigation.

15:00We immediately had cards made up with Irene Silverman's picture on it.

15:06Any information regarding the disappearance or whereabouts,

15:10but Mrs. Iveason, please contact the Crime Stoppers.

15:14Detectives would literally stand out on the corner

15:16and hand out flyers and ask people if they saw anything strange.

15:20Now the press gets a hold of it, and that's it.

15:22It just explodes.

15:23The 82-year-old woman vanished from her mansion.

15:26Silverman was last seen alive July 5th.

15:28We have an elderly female who has disappeared very mysteriously.

15:33We have an occupant of an apartment

15:36who she rented to in less than three weeks ago

15:39who has also disappeared mysteriously.

15:41We also mentioned that we are looking for the person

15:44in the composite sketch known as Manny Guerin.

15:49We are looking for him in connection with Ms. Silverman's disappearance.

15:57The day after this press conference,

15:59the 19 Squad gets a call from an NYPD detective

16:04who's part of a joint fugitive task force

16:08where FBI agents and NYPD detectives

16:11are assigned to locate fugitives wanted

16:15not only in New York but from around the country.

16:19He said that on July 5th when Irene Silverman was reported missing,

16:24he had arrested two people, a mother and a son,

16:28at about 55th Street and 6th Avenue

16:31on a warrant that they had from Utah

16:33for buying a car with a stolen check

16:37that they drove to New York City.

16:41The detective from the Freserive Task Force told us that

16:45they both had on their possession identification

16:49that belonged to Irene Silverman.

16:51They were identified as Kenny Kimes and his mother, Sante Kimes.

16:58In her pocketbook was $10,000 in cash.

17:02When questioned about why she had $10,000 cash,

17:05she said she needed a lot of cash to visit New York,

17:08which didn't make any sense.

17:10I don't know who carried $10,000 cash in their pocketbook.

17:15I have a gun and I wouldn't go to New York

17:17with $10,000 cash in my pocket.

17:20But also there's a ring of keys with red nail polish,

17:23which were Irene's.

17:25I thought we were looking for Manny Guerin,

17:28but when I heard about that, I said,

17:31are you fucking kidding me?

17:34With this new information, we grab a car

17:37and we go down to Manhattan Central Booking to interview Kenny.

17:42When I first walked in, I thought, holy shit.

17:47Kenny matched the sketch of Manny Guerin pretty dead on.

17:54I was convinced we had Manny Guerin, for sure.

17:59We asked him, why do you have Irene's ID?

18:03Do you know Irene?

18:03Yes, I know her.

18:07I think my mother was friends with her.

18:10We said, Kenny, think of Irene.

18:13She could be alive somewhere, maybe she's missing.

18:16Maybe you could help us find her.

18:17Why don't you talk to us?

18:18What if that was your mother?

18:19How would you feel?

18:21There was a glimmer of light.

18:23There were tears in his eyes, I remember it.

18:27And I thought that he would start talking to us

18:31and he was gonna fall on the sword.

18:33But seconds later, it's like a switch went off inside of him.

18:39He just became very stoic, turned to stone, and asked for an attorney.

18:44When I was leaving, I was 100% convinced that he had a big part of Irene's disappearance.

18:53His mother, Sante Kimes, was at the FBI building downtown waiting to be arraigned for the stolen car case.

19:00And I was hoping that the detectives who were interviewing her were having more success than we were.

19:06But she requested an attorney and the interview was shut down.

19:17So we do a background check on them.

19:20See what they were arrested for in the past.

19:22We saw that Kenny never had any major run-ins with the law.

19:27Then we looked at Sante and you couldn't believe the horrific things that they see.

19:33At one point, I was assigned the story of what happened here to Irene Silverman in New York.

19:41And I found out that Sante Kimes was orphaned when she was younger.

19:46And she sort of bounced around from house to house, whether it was an orphanage or a friend of a

19:53friend.

19:53And she was very poor.

19:55She met Kenneth Kimes Sr.

19:58In 1970, he was in the construction business and owned a chain of motels.

20:05They had houses in the Bahamas, oceanfront property in Honolulu, a house in Las Vegas.

20:15They were living the high life.

20:19A couple of years after they met each other, she and her husband had Kenneth Kimes Jr.

20:28Sante Kimes definitely considered Kenneth her little prince.

20:32But Sante would control everything that Kenneth did, to the point where she decided to homeschool him, not send him

20:38to school.

20:40Kenny did what mommy said.

20:42He, he, he, mommy said to jump, he jumped.

20:46She knew how to manipulate things to her needs.

20:51Sante was a con artist.

20:53Don't take me when I'm fat.

20:55Like, you turn it.

20:56She had like, I think, 11 different aliases listed on her arrest histories, which included insurance fraud, some larcenies.

21:07Sante Kimes, I think, loved danger.

21:11She liked to see how much she could get away with.

21:16She claimed that her husband was an ambassador and somehow got invited to a reception being thrown for Gerald Ford.

21:27There's a picture of her and Kenneth Kimes shaking President Ford's hand.

21:33To this day, no one knows how she got through Secret Service.

21:38She had a way of entering a room and everybody would look over and say, oh, look how she's dressed.

21:46Oh, my God, look at her jewelry.

21:48She must belong here.

21:51Another one of the things that stood out was a slavery charge back in 1985.

21:58Sante Kimes would hire help from Mexico to clean her big homes.

22:03She would treat them really badly.

22:09She would lock maids in their rooms.

22:13One of them subsequently testified at that trial that she was burned by an iron.

22:21They gave her the name the dragon lady.

22:25It's a different crazy is what it is.

22:28She's a psychopath.

22:30Sante was sentenced to five years in prison.

22:34However, her husband was never prosecuted for that case.

22:39She served three years out of a five year term.

22:46Then Kenneth Kimes Sr. died in 1994 of a brain aneurysm.

22:53And when he died, this threw Sante's life in a tailspin.

22:58She was like, how am I going to continue my lifestyle?

23:02As long as Sante ended up on top, that's all she cared about.

23:08After his father's death, mother and son were hooked hip to hip.

23:14Whatever ventures they got involved with, they did it together.

23:18Befriending the Kimes was a very dangerous proposition.

23:23People they knew seemed to disappear out of the blue.

23:29One of them was David Kasdan.

23:30David Kasdan was an associate of Sante and Kenneth Kimes, a business partner in some sense.

23:38She took out a fraudulent loan against David Kasdan's home.

23:42And he gets, I believe it was a coupon book for payments on a $250,000, $300,000 loan that

23:48he was totally unaware of.

23:50And he went to the authorities.

23:53Shortly after that, they found Kasdan's body in a dumpster by LAX airport.

24:00But at that point, the LAPD didn't have enough to arrest Sante and Kenneth Kimes for the murder of David

24:08Kasdan.

24:09And at that point, Sante and Kenny drove all the way across country in the stolen car so they could

24:15rent the apartment in Irene's townhouse.

24:22There were discussions about whether they should be extradited to LA to face the David Kasdan murder or leave him

24:30here in New York.

24:31Well, I got news for you.

24:32If someone is killed here in New York City, the case should stay here in New York City until it's

24:38totally resolved.

24:39And trust me, there was just a voluminous amount of work that had to be accomplished yet.

24:48News Channel 4 took these exclusive pictures of the canine police dog unit and the crime scene technicians going to

24:55the basement garage where the car Kenneth Kimes drove was being held.

24:59The search warrant was conducted on the green Lincoln Town Car.

25:04We opened up the trunk. Nothing. Just garbage. Everything is piled in the back seat of the car. And there

25:12was a lot of shit, man. It took eight hours to go through that car.

25:17We recovered a box from a taser gun. We found a clear liquid that was later identified as a knockout

25:24drug, like a roofie. We found Irene Silverman's social security card with some other papers that had Irene's name on

25:30it.

25:31We recovered all kinds of wigs, eavesdropping equipment. Sitting in the car were 15 notebooks that had notes meticulously detailing

25:41Irene's movements.

25:44You know, when you look at the big picture and what's going on here, those are pretty telling things.

25:50Also in those notebooks was how to take possession of Irene's house. Get notary. Get title. Get deed.

25:59Also recovered from the car was a microcassette with some cassette tapes. And we listened to them.

26:08And one of them had Sante posing as a person calling Irene, saying that she won a trip to go

26:17to Las Vegas to stay at Circus Circus.

26:22Ready for that? Okay.

26:25I have a wonderful surprise for you.

26:34The whole gist of the call was to try to get Irene Silverman to divulge over the phone her social

26:42security number.

26:43So, are you sitting down?

26:45I am. I'm sitting down. I'm also wondering what the phone says.

26:50No question.

26:51How about social security?

26:53She was trying to get information so she could use on the deeds and the forged papers and stuff.

26:59Mm-hmm. I don't know my number to pay.

27:01Is it clear?

27:02I have to have the number to send you the information.

27:06She tried every which way to get that number out of Irene, and Irene was not fucking having it.

27:13She tried to get it, man.

27:13Well, you send me whatever you have there, and if I like it, the idea, then I'll give you my

27:22social security number.

27:26With all the information that we had recovered, we weren't dealing with a missing person.

27:32We knew we were looking for a homicide victim.

27:36I have a great reader or fortune teller, whatever you call.

27:40So, as soon as I sat down, he looked at me and said, I'm so sorry for your loss.

27:47And I said, your great friend is no longer with us.

27:53Immense sadness and emotion came immediately then.

27:58And also then, I immediately went to deny.

28:01I said, maybe he's wrong.

28:02I hope this time he's wrong.

28:06Knowing that this is going to be a homicide case, we still felt we needed a body to put these

28:12people away.

28:12We knew they did it.

28:13But without a body, there was a good chance that they might get off.

28:17Personally, to me, I was pissed off.

28:18I wanted to go back and punch Kenny in the face and get the information out of him.

28:29There was a tip line that was put out for a person to call with information as to the sightings

28:35of the Green Lincoln Town Court.

28:37We were following up on every lead that we got.

28:42We searched the Meadowlands out in Jersey.

28:45Meadowlands is no picnic.

28:47It's a swampy, tall grass area.

28:50It sucks.

28:51It sucks.

28:52It's just a smelly, dirty place to search, but perfect to dump a body.

28:59We'd find all kinds of garbage, all kinds of discarded containers, luggage, and what I call Coney Island whitefish.

29:05Meaning used condoms, used tampons.

29:10We were desperate to find Irene Silverman's body.

29:14Every tip that came in on this case, or any case, has to be investigated.

29:17As crazy as it may sound, one particular day, I recall being in the office.

29:24Someone's come to our office with a dead chicken.

29:28What brought my attention to it was the fucking smell.

29:32It reeked and it permeated the office.

29:35We were all told, inside the anus of the dead chicken, there's a note.

29:40And in that note, it says where Irene Silverman's body is.

29:45I says, get the fuck out of here.

29:48And I made them get her out of the office.

29:53But they slowly took the chicken and her down to 126th Street, Amsterdam Avenue, where there was a chicken poultry

30:00farm, factory, whatever you want to call it.

30:02And they examined the chicken.

30:05And as far as that chicken was concerned, there was no note in the chicken's ass.

30:13It was one of the lighter moments that we had during this investigation.

30:18But that's how much pressure we were under.

30:21Each and every lead that came in had to be answered.

30:27The Kimes were still in jail for the stolen car and we were listening to their phone calls.

30:33And we intercepted a call from Sante Kimes, talking to a private investigator hired by the defense.

30:40She was advising him to go to the Plaza Hotel to retrieve a bag.

30:48With that, myself and another detective got into a car and rode lights and signs down to the Plaza Hotel.

30:59And his retired detective captain was the head of security there.

31:03He said, private investigator just came in and got the bag, gave us his name.

31:08We have another detective looking up his private investigator's license.

31:14The PI's office was down by City Hall.

31:16So we went over there.

31:18First, he denied picking up the bag.

31:21And then we told him, listen, we know that you went and picked up the bag.

31:26How do you think we got to your office?

31:29Out of the blue?

31:31So then he decided to surrender the bag.

31:34That was probably one of the biggest breaks in the case that we got.

31:39In that bag, we found a .22 caliber handgun.

31:45A power of attorney with Irene Silverman's signature on it.

31:51And we recovered a copy of the deed signed by Irene Silverman.

31:57What was noted on the deed was that, in fact, the house was being sold to the Atlantis Group Incorporated,

32:04which we subsequently learned was a shell company created by Sante Kimes.

32:11We had handwriting analysis done on them.

32:15And sure enough, it came back that those documents were forged.

32:21We can see that it was notarized, signed, and dated by a specific notary.

32:29Once the notary was located, she was interviewed.

32:33The notary states that she came to Irene Silverman's building.

32:37She found herself in a room where it's dimly lit, it was dark.

32:42Sante Kimes was dressed up as Irene in a bed.

32:48You know, with a red wig on and some to cover in her face.

32:52The covers pulled up, you know, just like Little Red Riding Hood.

32:55She had some ID, which was forged ID or whatever, and she notarized it and that was it.

33:06The notary was asked to view a lineup of Sante and Kenny Kimes at the district attorney's office.

33:13And I remember sitting with Sante Kimes, guarding her before the lineup.

33:19She and I were the only ones in the room.

33:21Knowing that she's a con artist, I just decided to not drop my guard and not allow her to get

33:27me into any type of conversation.

33:29Two minutes later, I'm telling her, yeah, I'm separated. I live in Yonkers. My kids are 10 and 12 years

33:34old.

33:35I should have known better than to let her engage with me.

33:40But she had the ability to just make you relax, make you relax to a point where you can just

33:47answer any and all questions that she asked.

33:50And that's how she got information from people to go forward with some sort of scam or fraud that she

33:58was planning to do.

34:01The notary picked Sante right out of the lineup, no problem at all.

34:10Those forged documents became critical to the case because it was the motive.

34:18It painted a very persuasive picture that the Kimeses were creating a fraudulent transaction to make it look like Irene

34:28Silverman was turning over the townhouse to them.

34:32Although we didn't have a body, we were convinced that we could go forward with charging them with homicide.

34:41Five months after Irene went missing in December of 1998, Sante and Kenneth Kimes were finally indicted for murder in

34:48the second degree.

34:49They were indicted for burglary. They were indicted for robbery. They were indicted for eavesdropping.

34:53There were 84 counts of charges against them. I mean, that's a hell of a lot of counts.

34:58From her jail cell, Kimes claims she's innocent.

35:02Please help. I am pleading for our constitutional rights to a fair judge, trial, and a venue so that my

35:10wonderful young son's innocence can be proven to everyone.

35:14What was strange is how many times Sante and Kenny Kimes got to the media while waiting for their trial.

35:25My son and I are innocent. There is a huge evil cover-up going on. The police have made a

35:33terrible mistake.

35:34You have been led to think certain things about the both of us which are completely untrue. We are innocent.

35:43It was really some act. They were portrayed as being prosecuted for no good reason. Look at my son. Does

35:54he look like a killer to you?

35:56Sixty Minutes invited the Kimes to talk about what had happened.

36:02It certainly didn't appear to be a mother-son relationship.

36:06They're holding hands and Kenny, you know, complimenting his mother's looks.

36:10I think she's a beautiful person spiritually and intellectually and physically.

36:17It was just the strangest, strangest thing to see of a mother and son who are adults.

36:23There was speculation that there was an incestuous relationship going on.

36:27I personally don't believe that. My belief is that she was in control of every aspect of his life.

36:41She groomed Kenny to be a killer.

36:48The case goes to trial in January of 2000, about a year and a half after Irene's disappearance.

36:57The main defense strategy was, how can you possibly convict if there's nobody?

37:02I'm not sure there is another defense.

37:07But we were able to put on a four-month trial and it went in quite smoothly.

37:13Both Sante and Kenny Kimes were found guilty on every single charge.

37:21Each one of them were going to get a minimum of 125 years to life.

37:27Sante honestly thought she was smarter than everyone else.

37:30These schemes were feeding her and she needed it like Dracula needs blood.

37:35And I'll say this.

37:36In their possession was a list of 16 other New Yorkers targeted by the Kimes.

37:44We checked with all of them to make sure that they were okay.

37:50In October of 2000, when Sante and Kenny were awaiting extradition to the state of California,

37:58where they faced the murder trial of David Kasdan,

38:02I was assigned to produce a documentary for Court TV.

38:06Kenny agreed ultimately to do an interview with me on camera.

38:12He walked in and he looked scary.

38:15He had the darkest, blackest eyes that just seared right through me.

38:24Cameraman, audio person, start rolling.

38:27Within 40 minutes, he had asked me for three breaks.

38:30Could, um, if I may ask, uh, could we take a break in maybe five or ten minutes?

38:35The last break, he asked, would you mind getting me something to eat?

38:40So I went to the vending machines.

38:44I reach out to give him these items.

38:48And before I know it, he's around my back with his right arm across my, my neck.

38:55And he said to me, this is a hostage situation.

39:00The sirens are going off.

39:03Kenny notices that the cameraman has the camera still rolling.

39:07And he said, stop the fucking camera.

39:10Cameraman, stop.

39:11Cameraman, stop.

39:13Cameraman, stop.

39:15Cameraman, stop.

39:18Cameraman, stop.

39:19Cameraman, stop.

39:20Cameraman, stop.

39:22Cameraman, stop.

39:24Cameraman, stop.

39:25Cameraman, stop.

39:30Cameraman, stop.

39:39Cameraman, stop.

39:41stabbed me with a spoon.

39:43The prison officials that had come into the room

39:46were saying, Kenneth, calm down.

39:50You're not going to accomplish anything by doing this.

39:53I said to him, why are you doing this?

39:57And right away he said, my mother is old.

40:00She cannot handle another trial.

40:03I want my mother and I to be extradited to Canada.

40:10It was really terrifying.

40:14Five long hours had gone by.

40:18And I said to him, Kenneth, you know, do you know how to pray?

40:24Let's pray together.

40:25And he said, yes, I do.

40:27And like this calmness came across his face.

40:31After we prayed together, a hostage negotiator said to Kenny, Kenny,

40:36it's been long enough, he said, this is my business card.

40:41Let me help you.

40:43Kenny went to grab it, which means he let me go.

40:47And that was my opportunity to just storm out of that room.

40:52There was at least a half dozen guys in there.

40:55They jumped him.

40:57And I didn't look back.

40:58I just kept on going.

41:01But I was just so grateful to be alive.

41:13Kenneth Kimes helped his mother kill a wealthy widow.

41:16Now he's admitting to another murder.

41:17He surprised a courtroom in Los Angeles by pleading guilty

41:20to killing a businessman, David Kasdan.

41:23He made a cooperation agreement

41:26with the L.A. County District Attorney's Office

41:29in which he testified against his mother.

41:33He confessed to the murder of David Kasdan

41:39and the murder of Irene Silverman

41:42in exchange for a sentence that did not include the death penalty

41:48for himself and his mother.

41:55Kenny said that Irene Silverman knocked on his door,

42:00he pulled her into the apartment,

42:02he stun gunned her, she dropped to the floor,

42:06he choked her to death,

42:09then took a shower curtain, wrapped her up,

42:11taped her up with the duct tape,

42:14put her in a duffel bag,

42:17put her in the trunk of his car,

42:20drove downtown through the Lincoln Tunnel.

42:23He goes, I saw a dumpster,

42:25I put her body in the dumpster,

42:26and that was it.

42:32Justice was served,

42:35but we didn't have Irene's body.

42:38You know, it'll haunt me to my death

42:41that a great woman like that

42:44who actually contributed something to society

42:47doesn't even have closure,

42:48you know, in her life

42:50where her body was never laid to rest.

42:54It's still an open case in my mind.

42:59I'm hoping one day her remains are found

43:01and there's DNA

43:03and I get a phone call saying,

43:04hey, we found Irene.

43:07Do I think that's going to happen?

43:08No, I don't.

43:09But do I hope it happens?

43:10A hundred percent.

43:11I'd love to get that phone call.

43:13I really would.

43:17It took at least ten years for me to come to term

43:20that someone really, really killed her.

43:29I had that fantasy that

43:31they kidnapped her somewhere

43:33and put her away somewhere,

43:35a little tongue somewhere,

43:36maybe she would reappear.

43:39But sadly, last few years,

43:41I came to term.

43:43I came to term that,

43:45you know, she's no longer with us,

43:48but she's smiling down at me every day.

43:52Every time I cross 65th Street,

43:56I always look up to a beautiful home.

44:00I say a quiet hello to her

44:05and tell her quietly that I miss her.

44:22I get a call that a guest is experiencing

44:26a heavy leak of water into their room.

44:30Soho House is a very exclusive high-end club,

44:34and we have a young woman dead in the bathtub.

44:37The identity of the victim was Sylvie Cachet,

44:40female, 33 years old.

44:43She was a fashion designer, swimsuit designer.

44:47She was just the perfect member

44:49to be a part of Soho House.

44:51She checked in with her boyfriend

44:53and he's no longer there.

44:55So yeah, it is suspicious.

44:58And then we find the fuck you email.

45:02A picture is starting to emerge.

45:04There are situations you hope to never be in.

45:09What happened in that room?

45:10It's not something you can just forget about.

45:12That's what happened in that room.

45:19We're in the house,

45:22and we're here in the house.

45:23We are at 3 times.

45:33And we're in the house,

45:34and we're in the house we're here.

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