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Homicide New York Season 3 Episode 4
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02:55Our job is to make sure you can go home and sleep at night
03:00It's so important for a family to know who murdered their relative
03:05Compassion for the victims, that's the most important thing
03:09I've always liked the truth, that's the most important thing you want to find out the truth, that's what detectives
03:18do
03:19Your instinct is to help people in New York City, the NYPD
03:46I was seven years old, Mom ordered Chinese food for us, we hear a knock on the door,
03:58We opened the door, and I assumed that it was the Chinese food, we opened the door and there was
04:06a guy there, he was asking for the super and we said the super wasn't there
04:13Then he let himself in, shoved me to the side, closed the door behind them, then he started asking for
04:20money and my moms offered jewelry and money that she had and she was holding my favorite sister Amanda at
04:28the time
04:29He got aggressive and he got aggressive and I could tell my moms were scared and then we started crying
04:36and stuff, we were confused of what was going on
04:40Then he grabbed her, he grabbed her, and he asked her
04:45Your eyes were your kids, he made her choose, she made the decision, and that was the last time I
04:55saw her
05:04I'm a retired captain, NYPD, did 31 years
05:09I wanted to go to West Point
05:11But since I got a 40 in high school chemistry, I ended up being a policeman
05:17That was my second choice
05:20Summer of 89
05:22I was the commanding officer of the 5th Detective Division, Manhattan North
05:26I was on my way to dinner
05:28When I got to call my pager
05:30Dispatch said, Captain, we have a homicide on East 97th Street
05:35So much for dinner
05:39I responded to the location
05:42The victim had been raped and stabbed
05:45She had been taken to St. Luke's Hospital
05:47Doctors worked on her, but she was pronounced dead on arrival
05:52We were able to identify her as Lourdes Gonzalez
05:55Mother of three children and 24 years of age
06:02There was blood on the walls, on the floor, and on the bed in one of the bedrooms
06:10We looked for any knife with blood on it, and we couldn't find anything
06:15Searched the apartment, the bedroom, the hallway, the courtyard, with negative results
06:28When she was attacked
06:30Lourdes was alone in the apartment with two boys and a baby
06:34Her significant other, who was in super of the building, had gone to the Bronx
06:40When he returned home, we informed him of what happened
06:48He was shocked
06:49You could see he was visibly shaking
06:52But with multiple stab wounds, it's a crime of passion
06:55So you would look for the significant other
06:58Did they have a fight? Did they have an argument?
07:02The detective was interrogating him
07:03He determined that he can establish where he was and account for his time
07:08So it rules him out
07:12Tony told me that she's not coming back
07:15I didn't understand
07:16What do you mean she's not coming back?
07:21I remember Carlos crying
07:23He was just hyperventilating and in pain
07:28My mom, she was a loving woman
07:31She was very young when she had me
07:33She was about 18
07:35I remember her smile
07:37I remember her laugh
07:40And I loved being with her
07:42She brought joy to me
07:45I felt like she was an angel
07:47Put in my dad's life at the time
07:49To be able to get us straight and together
07:53I started living with her when I was six years old
07:55It was so seamless
07:59Carlos was my roommate
08:00I was my brother
08:02During the times that we lived together
08:04We did everything together
08:06Then she treated Tony like her son
08:10I remember when she became pregnant with Amanda
08:14Carlos and I were excited
08:16We showed us so much love
08:19She was always by one of our side
08:22And that was just the dynamic of our family
08:26And sadly it was taken away as quickly as it happened
08:37Detective Irma Rivera
08:38Who's one of my top special victims detectives
08:42To the children
08:44She signifies her mother
08:45Which helps in eliciting information from them
08:49I got a call in my office to respond to the 23rd precinct
08:53Because they had two children that they wanted me to interview
08:57So I come into the room
08:58I see the two cute little boys
09:00Dark hair, Spanish
09:01They looked a little bit scared
09:03When you're about to interview young children
09:05Who had an experience like this
09:07My main concern is trying to see
09:09How much information I can get from them
09:11But doing it in a really slow pace
09:14No rush
09:16So I left the precinct
09:17I took them to the bodega
09:18On 102nd Street
09:20Off of 3rd Avenue
09:22Got them some candy and drinks
09:24And I brought them back to the precinct
09:26And I just hung out with them
09:28I interviewed them each individually
09:30In the police station
09:32I reiterated exactly what happened
09:37He gave her an ultimatum
09:39He said
09:41Your eyes are your kids
09:44Your eyes are your kids
09:45Is something that I've never heard
09:47Any other perpetrator say before
09:51She told him
09:53Not my kids
09:56So my mom told me and Carlos
09:59To take Amanda
10:01And go to the room
10:03Amanda was in the closet
10:05With a pillow
10:06And me and Tony were
10:08On the ground
10:10And looking at the door
10:13They went into her room
10:15And we hear everything
10:18We were holding each other
10:19And we was either waiting
10:21For my moms to come get us
10:25Or we was anticipating him coming in
10:29I remember the footsteps
10:32Of him traveling
10:35And leaving
10:37When she yelled our name
10:39I remember opening the door
10:41And seeing her in that long corridor
10:44Of our apartment
10:45In a pool of blood
10:46Asking us to go get help
10:49Looking back at it now
10:51She volunteered herself
10:55To be sacrificed
10:58She didn't think twice
11:05These kids just saw
11:06The worst thing
11:07That anybody can see
11:08It shattered their innocence
11:10In a second
11:13The little boys also gave
11:15A description to the
11:16New York City
11:16Police Department
11:17Sketch artist
11:18It gives the detectives
11:20An idea of what
11:21The perpetrator
11:22May have looked like
11:22I remember distinctively
11:24His complexion
11:25He was a darker person
11:27And his hair was flat
11:29They describe a male Hispanic
11:32Approximately 5 foot 10
11:34Dark skin
11:35He has a blue striped shirt
11:37And a flat top here
11:39What he did to these kids
11:41I mean their children
11:42And your mother
11:44Horrible
11:45This guy was a real piece of crap
11:52Tonight there is outrage
11:53Over a murder
11:54And a manhunt
11:55To find a dangerous killer
11:56She's a beautiful person
11:58I can't even believe
11:59That she died
12:02The medical examiner's report
12:04Said that
12:05Lourdes Gonzalez
12:06Had been stabbed
12:06Nine times
12:07Raved
12:08And she was six weeks pregnant
12:11Hearing that she was pregnant
12:12Makes me feel even worse
12:14Knowing that
12:14There would have been
12:15Another child involved
12:16Mayor Koch is offering
12:18A $10,000 reward
12:19To try to capture the man
12:21Who killed a pregnant woman
12:22This is a pathological killer
12:23So we're putting every member
12:26Of the police force
12:27Out there looking for him
12:28As well as this reward
12:29Yesterday's incident
12:31He asks for the super
12:33He's attired in a blue
12:35And white striped shirt
12:36What we do to press conferences
12:38To let the public know
12:39What he looks like
12:41And to be on your guard
12:42And secondly
12:44Hopefully a witness
12:45The child overheard
12:47A statement to the effect
12:49Of your eyes
12:51Or your children
12:52When I saw the news report
12:54About Lourdes
12:55And I heard what he said
12:57To her
12:57And the circumstances
12:59And it sounded so familiar
13:01And I heard some version
13:02Of your eyes
13:03Or your life
13:03It just clicked for me
13:05I said
13:05My God
13:06Son of a bitch
13:07It's the same guy
13:10In the sex crimes unit
13:11We found a case
13:12On June 11th
13:13That had matched
13:15The same MO
13:16As Lourdes Gonzalez
13:17And spoke to the victim
13:20Suddenly new policemen
13:22Came to talk to me
13:23And they had me
13:26Retell the whole story again
13:27In excruciating detail
13:33I was a girl
13:34From Brooklyn
13:35And I was living
13:36In the city
13:37And working
13:37After college
13:40It was a beautiful
13:41June day
13:42And I was happy
13:43I walked in Central Park
13:46The attack
13:47On the Central Park jogger
13:48Was something
13:49That I saw
13:49On the news
13:50I read about
13:51In the newspaper
13:52It was everywhere
13:53It terrified people
13:55And the day of
13:57I just remember
13:57I was being
13:58Jumpy and antsy
14:00And just trying
14:00To be safe
14:02I didn't know
14:03Somebody was watching me
14:06Followed me home
14:09Rang the bell
14:11Told me he was
14:12The super son
14:13Coming to do the repairs
14:16I was so naive
14:17And I just opened the door
14:20He came in
14:22And he locked the door
14:24Behind himself
14:24And I was like
14:26Oh
14:29I resisted
14:30He punched me
14:31In the face
14:32And broke my nose
14:33And I just
14:34Completely
14:34Stopped resisting
14:40I was being
14:40Very careful
14:41Because
14:43I could recognize
14:44That he was crazy
14:45I did this
14:46Separation thing
14:47Where you rise
14:48Above your body
14:49And you separate
14:49And you look down
14:53At some point
14:54After the sexual assault
14:56He says
14:57Your eyes are your life
14:59And I said
15:00Well no
15:01I need my eyes
15:02And he tried to
15:02Stab me
15:03Around my face
15:04Lucky for me
15:05The knife was not
15:06Very big
15:06So I had some
15:07Puncture marks
15:08On my face
15:08That I needed
15:09Stitches for
15:10I think he was
15:11Just all about
15:12The violence
15:13It was fun for him
15:17I was on the floor
15:18Of the bathroom
15:19Kind of curled up
15:20In a fetal position
15:21And then he took
15:23All my money
15:23All my jewelry
15:25And closed the door
15:29And then I just
15:30Said to myself
15:32Right now
15:33You feel numb
15:34This is going to
15:35Devastate you
15:36Tomorrow
15:37This is going to
15:38Destroy you
15:43And he did
15:45The manhunt
15:46Is in full swing
15:47Police say
15:48They have a good
15:49Description of the man
15:49Believed to be
15:50Lord S. Gonzalez's
15:51Killer
15:52They say he could
15:53Be the same man
15:54Who stabbed a woman
15:55Last Sunday
15:56In her apartment
15:56On East 116th Street
15:58She survived
15:59Among the similarities
16:01In the two cases
16:02Police say
16:02Is the suspect's
16:03Fixation with
16:04His victim's eyes
16:05I knew I had a rapist
16:07With the same
16:08Modus operandi
16:09If you will
16:11Same weapon
16:11He says the same thing
16:14Prejudice his victim
16:15In the same manner
16:16There were young females
16:17In their twenties
16:19But the second victim
16:21Had been raped
16:22Then killed
16:27Friends and family
16:28Of 24-year-old
16:29Lourdes Gonzalez
16:30Gathered to mourn
16:31Her death today
16:34I do remember
16:35Her funeral
16:36I remember
16:36Most vividly
16:38The church
16:39Being full
16:40Full
16:41Full
16:41People
16:44I really do not
16:45Remember talking
16:46Much to Carlos
16:47After that
16:47We were already
16:49Separated at that point
16:53I think
16:54You know
16:55The easy
16:56Fix
16:57Was for Carlos
16:58To go with
16:59Mom's side
17:00Of the family
17:01And then me
17:02Stay with my dad
17:04They didn't know
17:05Who was gonna
17:07Take care of me
17:08And I guess
17:09Nobody wanted
17:10To take responsibility
17:11Of taking care of me
17:12And I felt that
17:15And jumping
17:16From house to house
17:17It was difficult
17:18For me
17:23I didn't
17:24Really understand
17:26The decision
17:26Of having my sister
17:27Go to Puerto Rico
17:28With my grandma
17:30I don't think
17:31That my dad
17:32Was in the
17:33Right state
17:34To have me
17:35An infant
17:39Carlos was like
17:40My best friend
17:41We did everything
17:42Together
17:43Had we been able
17:44To communicate
17:45And talk
17:46Even though
17:46We were young
17:48It would have
17:49Gave us
17:49A support system
17:53All this stuff
17:54That happened
17:55I don't feel
17:56Protected no more
17:58The one person
17:59I did feel
18:00Protected
18:00Was my mom's
18:08On July 19th
18:10In the afternoon
18:11In the sex crime squad
18:13We received a call
18:15From the 19th precinct
18:17That there had been
18:18Another rape
18:19This rape occurred
18:21In 95th and Madison
18:22Close to Central Park
18:25We responded to the hospital
18:28And spoke to the victim
18:31She was seriously assaulted
18:33She had cuts on her face
18:35Cuts on her legs
18:39So you don't push
18:41I went to the sex crime squad
18:43Because it was one of the few places
18:45That you could really make a difference
18:47In somebody's life
18:48I wanted to be there
18:49Helping the victims
18:52I pretty much grew up
18:54In New York City
18:55And I heard about
18:57Violence a lot
18:59It's sort of
19:00A regular thing
19:01In New York
19:02I mean
19:02When it's not you
19:05I had just turned 20
19:08And I was taking
19:10Art classes
19:13And I made my way home
19:18So I took the elevator up
19:21And
19:23I'm standing in front
19:24Of the front door
19:25To the apartment
19:26With a key in my hand
19:28And I hear somebody coming
19:32With a strange kind of breathing
19:35It was
19:36Loud
19:37And it was rapid
19:39This person
19:41Walks
19:42Past me
19:43And goes
19:44One flight up
19:45And then
19:46Comes down
19:47And I said
19:48Where are you trying to go
19:49And at that point
19:51He
19:53Lunges
19:53At me
19:54With a knife
19:56And
19:57Says
19:58I just want to talk to you
20:00He has his knife
20:02To
20:02The back of my
20:04Neck
20:08So
20:08I let him in
20:12And he says
20:13Take your clothes off
20:15And
20:16I felt this reaction
20:19In me
20:19I
20:20I knew I had to
20:22Be calm
20:24And take a
20:25Soft approach
20:26Just to
20:28Get through
20:34And when it was over
20:37He ripped the phone
20:39Out of the socket
20:42He ties me up
20:44That's when he said
20:45Your eyes are your life
20:49And then he went
20:50And got a blade thing
20:52And started cutting
20:54Under and above
20:55Of my eyes
20:58And
21:05I had hit my
21:07Limit
21:08And luckily
21:11He stood up
21:13And he walked out of the room
21:15I want to forget
21:19That
21:20I never
21:21Fought back
21:23That natural reaction
21:26To have to subdue that
21:28Was
21:29A sacrifice
21:30That
21:32I
21:32I never
21:33Quite
21:34Repaired that
21:35It's been an
21:36Ongoing
21:37Thing
21:45You can never be sure
21:46It's the same
21:47But
21:47The more information
21:49That I received
21:50From the
21:50Complainant
21:51The more I realized
21:53That we probably had
21:54The pattern
21:55You have the MO
21:56The same thing
21:57Over and over
21:58The perpetrator
21:59Pushed into the apartment
22:00Raped
22:01Sodomized
22:02Robbed
22:03And he
22:04Said
22:05Your eyes
22:05Are your life
22:06And he has
22:07Stayed in the same
22:07Area
22:09Criminals
22:10Find something
22:11That works
22:11For them
22:12It worked once
22:13It'll work again
22:14I knew I had
22:15A pattern
22:16Rapist
22:16I tried not to
22:18Bring my work home
22:20But there's
22:21A serial rapist
22:22Out there
22:22You worry about
22:23Your family
22:24About your children
22:25You're drilling
22:26Them constantly
22:28To be careful
22:29Your wife
22:30You tell all the time
22:32Don't open the door
22:33Until you know
22:34Who it is
22:36Overabundance
22:37Of caution
22:38You know
22:39Our biggest worry
22:41At the time
22:41Was this perpetrator
22:43Would strike again
22:44And we'd have
22:45Another murder
22:46Another rape
22:46It was put out
22:47On the news
22:48Sketches were hung up
22:49All over the neighborhood
22:50We knocked on doors
22:52And informed people
22:53In buildings
22:53What happened
22:54To see if anybody
22:54Witnessed anything
22:55If anybody
22:56Recognized the sketch
22:57Police have set up
22:58A hotline
22:59For any information
23:00Concerning these cases
23:01We'd establish
23:02A tips hotline
23:03They're going to
23:04Make phone calls
23:05There's a guy
23:05That lives two doors down
23:07That fits that description
23:08I never trusted him
23:09He's kind of hinky
23:11Or I saw him
23:13With a pocket knife
23:14The other day
23:14Cutting an orange
23:19You have to track down
23:20Each one of these leads
23:23Unfortunately
23:23In this case
23:24None of them work out
23:27I knew women
23:28Were raped in New York
23:29And all over the country
23:30I knew this happened
23:33But I didn't dwell on it
23:35You just try to live carefully
23:37You think it's going to happen
23:39At night
23:40Or a neighborhood
23:41That maybe is not so safe
23:42Or whatever
23:43But it was just
23:44A beautiful afternoon
23:46You just don't think
23:47It will happen then
23:50I came up to New York
23:51To go to a small fashion school
23:53It was Saturday afternoon
23:55And I heard a knock
23:56On the door
23:58I opened the door
23:59And he put his hand
24:00On my face like that
24:01And I think
24:01Kind of pushed me back
24:04You could feel the anger
24:06You knew he was
24:06Just a ball of rage
24:09He raped me
24:10I think twice
24:11And part of the memory
24:13Is something that
24:14Sort of gets muddled
24:15Or lost
24:16Or locked away
24:19He wanted to
24:20Take my bank card
24:21And get money
24:23And then he said
24:24I don't trust you
24:25I'm going to have to
24:26Tie you up
24:27Or kill you
24:27But I said
24:28I'll get you scarves
24:29You know
24:29And so I had to walk
24:30By the door
24:31To go get the scarves
24:33It's a tiny studio apartment
24:34But he let me have
24:36That much distance
24:36Which was rare
24:37Because he was on me
24:40Something said to me
24:41Get out
24:42Get out
24:42Get out
24:43You've got one chance
24:44Take it
24:46I ran out screaming
24:48He was inches behind me
24:50And I ran into the super
24:52I don't know what I said
24:53I was raped
24:54He's right behind me
24:55Or something like that
24:57Super caught him
24:59And someone else caught him
25:00And then held him
25:01For the police
25:08We had a call that
25:09The uniform
25:10Had a perpetrator
25:11Under arrest
25:13He gives his name
25:14Matias Reyes
25:15And without being asked
25:18Or prompted
25:19He says
25:20I did it
25:21He was an 18 year old
25:23Quiet
25:245 foot 10
25:25Dark complexion
25:27Once the detectives
25:28Were interviewing him
25:29They kind of realized
25:30That this could be
25:31The perpetrator
25:32From the previous rapes
25:34And the homicide
25:34So we have a DA come down
25:37They're beginning to see
25:39That the pattern
25:40Is coming together
25:41And he may be involved
25:43In the homicide
25:44All of them involved
25:45Young women
25:46All of them involved
25:47Either a ruse
25:48Or a push-in
25:51All of them occurred
25:52Within a 20 block area
25:54All of them involved
25:55The use of a knife
25:57Robbery and rape
26:01They wanted me
26:02To come down
26:03To the station
26:03Immediately to identify
26:05Just to take a look
26:06At a lineup
26:06That's all they said
26:08Just one glimpse
26:09And I knew who it was
26:11I was shaking with fear
26:13It was a visceral reaction
26:15There was no doubt
26:16That this was the guy
26:19No doubt
26:21I remember hearing
26:23That he was arrested
26:24And I had to go
26:26Meet the detective
26:29Seeing him
26:30Was shocking
26:33He was wearing
26:34The same shirt
26:35That he wore
26:37And
26:37It was very concrete
26:39Like I knew
26:40That was him
26:43He told detectives
26:44That he made love
26:45To these girls
26:46He's a sick individual
26:51He says
26:52That he committed
26:53Multiple rapes
26:54But Reyes denies
26:56Any involvement
26:57With the
26:58Lourdes Gonzales
26:59Homicide
27:00And at that point
27:02Reyes is shown
27:04A sketch
27:05That had been
27:06Put together
27:07From the
27:08Children
27:09Of Lourdes Gonzales
27:10Mateus
27:12Looks at it
27:13And the detective
27:13Says
27:14Look familiar
27:16And Mateus
27:17Says yes
27:18Looks like me
27:19And looked at the detectives
27:21And said
27:21I'm fucked
27:24Mateus Reyes
27:25Begins to give a confession
27:26To the murder
27:28Of Lourdes Gonzales
27:31We get in on video
27:33At times
27:34He would rant
27:35And rave
27:36Really angry
27:37At other times
27:39He was remorseful
27:40Say mommy
27:42Screaming
27:43And she was like
27:45Tossing me
27:45And screaming
27:46He says that
27:47Lourdes Gonzales
27:49She grabbed the knife
27:50But she was shaking
27:52She was scared
27:52He says that
27:54He took the knife off her
27:55And that's how
27:56He eventually killed her
27:59When this occurred
28:00I had a nine year old
28:02And a one year old
28:04So I could relate
28:06To the need
28:06To protect your children
28:07You have to feel
28:09For her
28:11That the idea
28:12That someone
28:13Could be so brutalized
28:14To be stabbed nine times
28:15It made me sick
28:17Mateus Reyes
28:18He's someone
28:19Who has
28:20Impulsive rage
28:22He's a ticking time bomb
28:23He was formally charged
28:25With four counts of rape
28:27First degree
28:28Sodomy
28:29Burglary
28:30And assault
28:31With a deadly weapon
28:32And one count of homicide
28:34Locally
28:35Eighteen year old
28:36Mateus Reyes
28:37Is charged
28:37With a series
28:38Of brutal rapes
28:39On Manhattan's east side
28:41One of which
28:41Ended in murder
28:42When I saw
28:44He murdered Lourdes
28:45That's what hurt
28:46The most
28:46Was that
28:47I was alive
28:48And she was not
28:51I remember
28:52Receiving the news
28:56And feeling
28:57A sense of relief
29:00I remember
29:01Seeing it
29:01In the papers
29:02He got caught
29:02When I seen the picture
29:05I remember him
29:08So I already knew
29:10That that was him
29:15I get a phone call
29:16From my sergeant
29:17She says
29:17Irma
29:19Does Matias Reyes
29:20Ring a bell to you
29:21I go
29:22Yeah
29:23On April 17th
29:251989
29:25I had his name
29:26As a possible suspect
29:28On a case that I had
29:30Involving a rape
29:31That occurred
29:32In Central Park
29:33On 106th Street
29:34On the east side
29:34My case in Central Park
29:36Was two days prior
29:38To the Central Park
29:39Jockey case
29:41We interviewed the victim
29:43And one thing
29:44That she noticed
29:44Was that he had
29:45Fresh stitches
29:46On his chin
29:48Back then
29:49In 1989
29:49A lot of the hospitals
29:50Used to have a log
29:51In the emergency room
29:53Who came in
29:54And what they came in for
29:55So what we did was
29:57We went to every hospital
29:58We checked the log
30:00There was one guy
30:01Who has fresh stitches
30:02On his chin
30:02And the name on that
30:04Particularly entry
30:05Was Matias Reyes
30:08I did background checks
30:10He had no criminal record
30:11At all
30:11There was no photo
30:13On file for him
30:13There was nothing
30:14And then my boss
30:16Pills me off the case
30:17And puts me
30:18Into the child abuse team
30:21I had no choice
30:22So I was kind of
30:23A little pissed off
30:24So it's like
30:25The case just died
30:28It's an unfortunate thing
30:30That the leadership
30:30Of the special victims unit
30:31Pulled Irma off this case
30:33And put her on another case
30:35But you have to remember
30:36This is 1989
30:38And we're seeing
30:40Tremendous big crime waves
30:42That are pushing our resources
30:44To the edge
30:47The name Matias
30:48You know
30:48It always stuck in my head
30:50When Sergeant McLaughlin
30:52Called me that day
30:53And told me
30:53That that was the person
30:55Who killed
31:01When she told me
31:02That it was the person
31:03That killed that mother
31:04In front of the kids
31:06It made me feel so horrible
31:09And it made me feel horrible
31:10For years and years
31:11I've always thought about them
31:18If I had caught him
31:19On that case
31:20I know that
31:21Things would have been
31:22Completely different
31:23All these other victims
31:24Would have not been
31:24Victimized
31:25Those kids would have
31:26Lost their mother
31:28And that's the part
31:29That bothered me the most
31:31You know
31:39Cases were
31:40Children are involved
31:42It's tough on detectives
31:44Irma, as far as I'm concerned
31:46One of the best detectives
31:48I ever worked with
31:49She really cared about
31:50What she was doing
31:55You are looking at a man
31:56Police believe is a rapist
31:58And a cold-blooded killer
31:5918-year-old
32:00Mateus Reyes
32:03So I went into work that day
32:05When I got into the office
32:06I was shown a picture of him
32:08And when I see his picture
32:09I go
32:10That's Matias Reyes
32:11I know him
32:12I knew him since he was
32:12A little boy
32:13Like I knew him
32:14He worked around the corner
32:15From the 2-3 precinct
32:17In this bodega
32:18Reyes served coffee
32:19To cops from the nearby precinct
32:21For me, he's a good guy
32:22One of the best
32:24I was in the 2-3
32:25From 1982 to 1987
32:26So I saw him all the time
32:29I never knew what his name was
32:31But I just knew of him
32:32As the kid that worked in the store
32:33So I started thinking
32:34Wait a minute
32:35I definitely brought
32:36Carlos and Tony to that store
32:39To buy them candy
32:40I know he wasn't there then
32:42But still
32:42Ugh
32:43That bothers me
32:47We did learn
32:48From talking to Irma Rivera
32:50That they had even identified
32:52A person by the name of
32:54Matias Reyes
32:54As the possible perpetrator
32:56In another case
32:57But unfortunately
32:59The victim left the state of New York
33:00And any attempt
33:01To find the victim
33:02Was unsuccessful
33:0589
33:05It was kind of the frontier
33:07For the use of DNA
33:10We submitted DNA evidence samples
33:13From the three rapes
33:14And the fourth rape and homicide
33:16Of Lordez Gonzalez
33:17To the FBI
33:18All of the cases
33:20Matched the DNA
33:22Of Matias Reyes
33:23And so
33:25Matias Reyes
33:26Decided to plead guilty
33:30This sentencing hearing
33:32Doesn't pass without incident
33:33Reyes
33:34Ends up
33:35Turning his rage
33:36On his defense lawyer
33:38And assaults him
33:39In open court
33:42Like
33:43Who would do that?
33:44How could you
33:44Sabotage yourself
33:45In that way?
33:46But he couldn't control
33:47His violence
33:49He was sentenced
33:50To 33 in a third years
33:53Eventually
33:54He became eligible
33:55For parole
33:57He has the option
33:58Of coming out
33:59He has the option
34:00Of coming out
34:01So
34:01How am I supposed
34:02To live a life
34:03Knowing that he could
34:04Potentially come out?
34:09At this point
34:10We think this is the end
34:11Of the criminal reign
34:13Of Matias Reyes
34:16But we were to learn later
34:18That there were other crimes
34:20That he committed
34:21That we did not
34:22Know that he did
34:362002
34:36Matias Reyes
34:37Called the district attorney's office
34:39And wanted to speak
34:40To someone
34:41Regarding some
34:42Information he wanted
34:43To give them
34:43A man has come forward
34:45By the name of Matias Reyes
34:46He claims that he alone
34:48Attacked and raped
34:49The woman in Central Park
34:50Back in 1989
34:51Hold up behind her
34:53Tackled the sticky hand
34:55And I dragged her
34:56Into the bushes
34:57And I ran back there
34:59Matias Reyes
35:00Claims that he's involved
35:02In the 1989
35:04Central Park jogger case
35:06It's not shocking
35:07And unusual
35:08For somebody
35:08To interject themselves
35:10In a media case
35:11Whether they're involved
35:12Or not
35:12The unusual piece
35:14Of this was
35:15His claim
35:16To act alone
35:18By the time
35:20Matias Reyes
35:20Came forward
35:21And said that he alone
35:22Was responsible
35:24For the rape
35:25Of Trisha Miley
35:26Known as the Central Park jogger
35:27Five other young men
35:29Had been convicted
35:30And served long prison sentences
35:33For this crime
35:35They always said
35:36That they were innocent
35:37And always proclaimed it
35:39Whenever possible
35:40And in fact
35:41One of them
35:43Corey Wise
35:43Actually encountered Reyes
35:45In prison
35:46And had some kind
35:48Of altercation
35:49And that may have
35:50Contributed to why
35:51Reyes came forward
35:52Eventually
35:53The NYPD
35:55Decides to form
35:56An investigative task force
35:58That I led
35:59To look into
36:00Matias Reyes
36:01Rolled in the
36:02Central Park jogger case
36:03We know that there was
36:05John Doe's DNA
36:07In that case
36:08That was never identified
36:10So they got DNA samples
36:12From Matias Reyes
36:14And matched them up
36:15Matias Reyes
36:17Absolutely did rape
36:18The Central Park jogger
36:20Patricia Miley
36:21Because it was his DNA
36:23That was recovered
36:24On the morning
36:25She was brought
36:26To the hospital
36:28I wish we had had
36:30A DNA data bank
36:32Back in 89
36:3490 and 91
36:35Because that would have
36:36Allowed us to connect
36:38All of these cases
36:39It's not just about
36:40Convicting defendants
36:42It's also about
36:43Exonerating the innocent
36:44So with the new information
36:47That Matias Reyes
36:49Is the unknown DNA
36:50And that he says
36:53He acted alone
36:54The five defendants
36:56Cases were vacated
36:59And rightfully so
37:02It's a people's victory
37:03And I think that's
37:04What we have to draw from it
37:08Unfortunately
37:08This will be
37:10A black mark
37:11On NYPD's relations
37:14With the black community
37:15For years to come
37:17I was happy
37:19For the five young men
37:20That were falsely accused
37:22But it really did nothing
37:24For me
37:24Other than like
37:25Rehash some
37:26Emotions and feelings
37:28And memories
37:34Did you attack
37:35The Central Park jogger?
37:37Yes
37:38It was on 2020
37:39And I'm like
37:40What?
37:41You know
37:41Like what the fuck?
37:43Having
37:44The past resurface
37:46Is like life
37:47Telling you
37:48You know what?
37:49This is always
37:50Going to be there
37:50And there's no such thing
37:53As a fresh start
37:55I just got angry
37:57All over again
38:00The injustice that was done
38:02To the Central Park Five
38:03Needed to be undone
38:04But a parallel injustice
38:07Happened to all of
38:09Matias Reyes' other victims
38:10And so in 2019
38:13I wrote a piece for the cut
38:14Called Before and After the jogger
38:17I ended up speaking
38:19Not only to Lourdes' children
38:21But I also spoke with
38:23The three women
38:25Whose sexual assaults
38:27Reyes was convicted of
38:28These were the people
38:30Who were written out of the story
38:32Of what we now put
38:34Under the umbrella
38:35Of the Central Park jogger case
38:38She deserved her story
38:40To be told
38:41And what better way
38:43To tell it
38:44Than with her kids
38:45I just
38:47I thank her
38:48For everything she did for me
38:51I always
38:53Feel bad
38:54That she never got to meet
38:56What an amazing woman
38:57Her mom was
38:59Just the stories
39:00That I get
39:01From my brothers
39:03She was
39:04An amazing person
39:05Regardless of whether
39:07She's here physically
39:09I feel like
39:10She's guided me
39:12This
39:12Happened in 1989
39:16So any sports I played
39:17That was my jersey number
39:19Just paying homage
39:20To my mom
39:22I feel like
39:24She was just somebody
39:26Putting
39:27My path
39:28To
39:29Lead me to something bigger
39:32She told me to value
39:34A new education
39:35And make sure
39:35That I set a good example
39:37And I did
39:39And I kind of helped
39:41Instill those things
39:41In my own kids now
39:46I felt guilty
39:48I went to those stages
39:50Of just being angry
39:51And
39:54Blaming myself
39:55And blaming
39:57Others
39:58It's done a lot
39:59It's done a lot of damage
39:59To me
40:00Because
40:01It was just
40:02Destroying me
40:03Mentally
40:06Anybody talks about
40:07The case that haunts you
40:08The case of Lourdes Gonzalez
40:11Haunted me
40:12For years
40:12And years
40:13And years
40:16Hi Carlos
40:19So nice
40:20So nice to see you
40:23I'm sorry
40:26So
40:26It was important
40:28For me to meet Carlos
40:29This case bothered me
40:30So much
40:32I had his name
40:33On another case
40:34I want to apologize
40:36Because I feel like
40:36If I had gotten him
40:38This would have happened
40:40I was never mad at her
40:42I would never want her
40:43To live life like that
40:46The only person
40:47I'm mad at
40:48Is Reyes
40:49Reyes deserves
40:51He deserves misery
40:53Don't give your power away
40:54To him
40:55At all
40:55My life has been a mess
40:58I've been incarcerated
41:00In and out
41:01How many felonies you have?
41:03I got
41:04I got three
41:05Three gun possessions
41:06Okay
41:08A homicide
41:09I became a product
41:10Of the streets
41:11And
41:12There's always a beef
41:14And there's always retribution
41:16And I grew up
41:18Wanting to destroy
41:20Anything that destroys
41:21Me or my family
41:22And that's a never ending cycle
41:24Your life is not over
41:25You can still do a lot
41:26For yourself
41:27You know that?
41:28Your mother wanted to give you
41:29Such a good childhood
41:31Now it's your time
41:33To honor your mother
41:34And have a good manhood
41:36Yeah
41:38I'm still striving for better
41:41I'm still a work in progress
41:43I'm on the path
41:44Of doing better
41:46And my mom deserves it
41:54I was aware
41:55That there were
41:56Two other women
41:58Victims
41:59Survivors
42:00But we didn't get to meet
42:02We didn't get to talk
42:04So I wrote a letter
42:05And I said
42:06We all went through
42:07The same thing
42:07And it's absolutely horrible
42:09But it would be nice
42:11If we could be there
42:12For each other
42:12Because only we know
42:14And understand
42:14What each of us
42:15Has been through
42:24And we all decided to meet
42:25We get together
42:26Multiple times
42:27Over the years
42:29Every year
42:29The date would come
42:30And I'd say
42:31Forget what the date is
42:33Forget what happened
42:33Just go about your life
42:34Forget, forget, forget
42:35And last year
42:36I thought
42:37Why?
42:37So I invited my friends
42:38For dinner
42:39And I had a
42:39Fuck you
42:40I'm still here
42:41Party
42:41I did
42:43Melissa, Meg
42:44And I
42:45Have this friendship
42:47We all are connected
42:49By this horrific story
42:52But we're also connected
42:54By love
42:55I thought to myself
42:56My God
42:57These other girls
42:58They went through
42:58The same thing I did
43:00Yeah
43:00We have to become friends
43:02It was like
43:03Revolutionary
43:04To meet you
43:05Yeah
43:07Having them
43:07I feel very lucky
43:10I don't know
43:11What I would have done
43:11Without them
43:16Lourdes is one of us
43:18She is a fighter
43:20I've thought about her a lot
43:22I really felt for her
43:24And I really felt for her family
43:27Lourdes isn't here to speak
43:30So we wanted to
43:31Kind of honor her
43:33And her family
43:34And to say that
43:35We never forgot Lourdes
43:38I want people to know her
43:40And be like
43:40She was more than
43:41Just this little footnote
43:43Lourdes was important
44:00I want people to know her
44:01What she was going to do
44:01Bye
44:02Bye
44:02Bye
44:04Bye
44:05Bye
44:06Bye
44:29I don't think the NYPD or the city of New York ever saw this coming.
44:42My aunt Joanne, she worked in the North Tower.
44:45I'm like, how the fuck am I getting up there to get her out of there?
44:5078th floor of a building is on fire and I don't know how to get out of here.
44:58The lieutenant says, fucking run.
45:03I see a bunch of EMS.
45:05It was like, we're gonna go back into the building.
45:07There's people in there that need to be removed.
45:09So I was like, okay, I'm not gonna have a fireman embarrass me, so I'm gonna stay.
45:14One thing about 9-11, it helped me get used to the smell of death.
45:18You find out what you're really made of.
45:20You find out what it is to be a team player.
45:23You're not dead.
45:25You have to work.
45:26You have to work.
45:46You find out what it is.
45:56It'sב� manipulating people and everything else.
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