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00:00:00But now we are entering into something extremely important.
00:00:05It's a story that has gone around the world.
00:00:09We are about to meet a very brave woman who has been through something terrible.
00:00:13She was sexually abused for a very long time as a young girl, as a minor.
00:00:21But he had the courage to report everything that happened.
00:00:24And the main witness is a trial with one of the most important men,
00:00:27most famous, a billionaire who is no longer with us today because he took his own life.
00:00:32But he also accused Prince Andrew, son of Queen Elizabeth,
00:00:38to be part of this submerged world that had victims at its centre
00:00:46who ended up being real slaves.
00:00:49To tell this story, however, we must start from a particular place.
00:00:54We have to go to an island.
00:00:56I'm taking you to the Caribbean.
00:00:58Look, we want...
00:00:59Here they are.
00:01:00This is the Caribbean and this is the Virgin Islands archipelago.
00:01:05Inside the Virgin Islands there is a small island.
00:01:09Little St. James.
00:01:11This island was bought by Epstein, this American billionaire.
00:01:18Watch it here.
00:01:19Here it is.
00:01:20It's quite big, there's an important road in the center, this is the villa, this is a
00:01:25dependance, these are other small dependencies around the villa, obviously a super swimming pool
00:01:32from which you can see the ocean, a sundial, even what you see up there is a
00:01:39temple, the golden dome is missing because it was destroyed by a hurricane, but it is here, in this
00:01:45place, where sexual violence against dozens and dozens of children took place,
00:01:51by Epstein and made by other very famous people who came to this island and abused
00:01:56of these girls.
00:01:57But he's the protagonist, let's show him.
00:02:01The protagonist of this story, the American billionaire Epstein, was born as a professor
00:02:09of mathematics but in a short time and still quite mysteriously accumulates millions of figures
00:02:16which make him one of the richest men in the world and the fact of being one of the
00:02:21richest men in the world means that he knows important people, the men who decide
00:02:27the planet, the story of a planet, let's go see the houses that Epstein owned
00:02:33of course he had houses all over the world, Paris, London, America, but this is the one
00:02:39in particular, it is located in the heart of Manhattan, that building is worth 70 million in New York
00:02:47dollars and it is from there, from that building, that we start and we start in a touching, very strong way,
00:02:55The woman who is about to arrive is following us backstage, her name is Virginia Giuffre, that
00:03:06One day a colleague took her right in front of the house where the violence was taking place.
00:03:13sexual. Look.
00:03:16It's really hard being back here.
00:03:18But Virginia Roberts Giuffre is determined that Epstein's terrible secrets will not be buried
00:03:25with him. Being a kid, I didn't even really realize what world I was being brought into.
00:03:32The world within these walls was inconceivable. A horror house of sexual abuse and international
00:03:40sex trafficking. I was abused by people that I can't even mention here. There's a lot of scars hidden behind
00:03:49those walls.
00:03:58It should be ripped down. It should be burned to the ground. Some of my worst memories are from this
00:04:08place.
00:04:12Here she is. This is Virginia Giuffre. A woman of great courage. Truly, truly great courage.
00:04:22Also next to me is Olga Fernando, a very well-known face, a great performer. Or rather, perhaps I meant to say,
00:04:30Olga, I'm happy because the fact that there is a woman like Olga Fernando here means that Olga,
00:04:37who, let's say, works as a translator for meetings between the presidents of the Republic and the prime ministers,
00:04:42etc., he took this story very much to heart. So thank you, Olga, for being with us.
00:04:48Why did you raze that house to the ground?
00:04:58Because this house brings back terrible memories, memories that date back to when I returned there.
00:05:20Let's go to commercial. That way we can fix this problem. Thanks.
00:05:35Here we are again. Next to me is Virginia Giuffre, this girl who with great courage...
00:05:41he reported everything that was happening not only in the house behind my back,
00:05:47but also in the famous island of this American billionaire Epstein who brought powerful people of the earth
00:05:55having sex with underage girls. This woman's story has gone around the world,
00:06:02He chose to come here to Italy and for us supporting his new life is very important,
00:06:10also because it means that she is not left alone in this battle. We were talking about the pain
00:06:17that you lived in that house, saw that house and you said it had to be razed to the ground.
00:06:26Yes, this house should be razed to the ground or perhaps it should be turned into an orphanage,
00:06:33in short, it should have a different fate. The mere fact that it's still there tells us
00:06:42the memory of these nightmares to light. I don't understand, I don't understand why it should still be there.
00:06:48When you were there with our colleague you were crying, those tears came to you, because for you to enter
00:06:57In that house it meant reliving the violence I had suffered. I would like you to make Italians understand
00:07:04What kind of violence did you experience in those places? As a girl at 17, 16, that was your age.
00:07:16The suffering I experienced was not only sexual, physical, but also mental violence.
00:07:27psychological, as well as physical and sexual. It was truly a prison on the fourth floor,
00:07:35I couldn't leave, I had to be there for Epstein and all the people he brought there.
00:07:42It was truly a prison.
00:07:44I would like to show Virginia's photo, what Virginia looked like as a little girl.
00:07:50We are talking about girls who were 14, 15, 16 years old. Looking at this photograph, you can
00:07:59I understand very well, it's too far away if you could get me a close-up of this girl.
00:08:06So you understand who this girl was.
00:08:16I mean, 15 years old, 16 years old, they didn't care, it was just violence.
00:08:27Yes, he didn't care about anyone. He always wanted what he couldn't have.
00:08:35He could have surrounded himself with beautiful women, but he wanted what he couldn't have.
00:08:42So he took me and thousands of others, like me.
00:08:44Right now, as you're speaking, there are some very famous Italian women following you.
00:08:51Here she is. One is called Alessandra Moretti, an Italian member of the European Parliament.
00:08:59The other is Ritan Armeni, writer, journalist, great fighter for women's battles.
00:09:08They will be coming in soon.
00:09:10And Ilaria D'Amico, a very famous journalist in Italy, will also be joining us.
00:09:16In a few moments.
00:09:18So, let's go and look at an important passage.
00:09:21Another girl, there are dozens and dozens of girls who have fallen into this person's trap.
00:09:31Women also fell into this trap and ended up recruiting young girls themselves.
00:09:42Listen to what this woman, now mature, but then a minor, has to say.
00:09:48Then, you could tell his addiction wasn't drugs or alcohol, it was definitely young girls.
00:09:53And if I couldn't bring him a girl, when he didn't get his obsession, he just would get so mad.
00:09:59How many girls do you think you brought to Jeffrey Epstein?
00:10:04I would say at the minimum 50, but anywhere from 50 to 70 girls.
00:10:13And what were their ages?
00:10:15The same ages of me, 14, 15, 16, you know, I just hold a lot of guilt and shame for
00:10:21doing those things.
00:10:23And just to know that I had any influence on that happening to somebody else, just, you know, it really,
00:10:31it's just devastating and breaks my heart.
00:10:40A terrible, very sad story, but that's how it worked.
00:10:44Epstein had a system where one girl had to bring other girls, so he goes on to say.
00:10:51It was a kind of pyramid and it worked very well for him.
00:10:54I'm asking you a tough question, but we have to make those who are following us understand what your goal was.
00:11:00drama.
00:11:01It's the other girls' drama.
00:11:05How many sexual intercourses were you forced to endure from a man like that and not only from that man, but from others
00:11:12famous men who came to that house?
00:11:19It's impossible to say.
00:11:203, 5, 8, a day, many, 8, 3, 4, many.
00:11:26Yes.
00:11:28He would wake up and need, precisely, to abuse us.
00:11:36It went on all day.
00:11:37He never went to work.
00:11:39And at night the same thing.
00:11:41He wanted to be put to bed and needed to ejaculate.
00:11:45He lived only for this, to sexually abuse very young girls.
00:11:51Very young girls.
00:11:54I'd also like to greet Ilaria D'Amico, who is joining us now, a very famous Italian journalist.
00:12:02Here, Ilaria, I ask you something.
00:12:04We've been listening, hello, we've been listening to Virginia's story for a few minutes.
00:12:09We are entering with great delicacy into this story that has made headlines around the world.
00:12:14So, what do you think?
00:12:17That is, we are with more witnesses who tell of a lot of violence.
00:12:23A huge number of girls aged 12 to 16, raped, even in orgies, in groups.
00:12:33I mean, it's something that looks like a goldmine movie.
00:12:34So, what do you think?
00:12:40The idea is that orcs exist and orcs are always accompanied by an entourage of people who have
00:12:52sold your soul to evil, right?
00:12:56In some way, that is, the ability to create a network of malicious people, capable of simply experiencing pleasure through the
00:13:08suffering of others, is very well known.
00:13:11And here we are hearing a story of this kind.
00:13:1412-year-old girls having sex with adult men, that speaks for itself, it's a huge violation.
00:13:24For me it is violence even if I am a 12 year old girl, who is a child, I have children who are
00:13:32to get males,
00:13:33who are about to turn 12, they are children.
00:13:38So 12, 13, 14 are ages where, even if you are consenting and have sexual intercourse with a
00:13:46very grown man,
00:13:49it's violence.
00:13:51It means that at that moment you are not conscious, you are giving a consent due to something that is being eradicated.
00:13:58from you.
00:13:59Even if it were a fascination with power, those things that are criticized so much, right?
00:14:05At 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 you can't really consent.
00:14:11Even if you did nothing to oppose it, but rather offered yourself to the ogre, to the dragon.
00:14:20These are very important words.
00:14:22This is what I think.
00:14:22Ilaria's words are very important, because now I add another element to what Ilaria was saying,
00:14:31because these people, Epstein, and the people around Epstein,
00:14:37they went to choose the majority of these girls in situations of fragility and hardship.
00:14:46Virginia herself, when she was seven years old, had suffered sexual abuse.
00:14:54He was in a difficult, familiar situation, right?
00:14:59He wasn't happy.
00:15:00And so it was just the typical example of fragility.
00:15:03You had to live on the streets at 11 or 12 years old to make your own way, every day, day by day.
00:15:09At some point, however, he finds a wonderful job on Trump's property.
00:15:16He was only 15 or 16 years old.
00:15:18There he finally begins to find a dream.
00:15:21It was a dream, a dream.
00:15:24Finally she finds a place where someone loves her, sees her for who she is.
00:15:28Perhaps he had found hope of escaping the abuse.
00:15:31But right there, in that place, comes the person who deceives her, calling himself I'll be your mother and Epstein will become
00:15:43This man she didn't know yet, your father, offers her a job.
00:15:49A job that was very different from what he actually found himself doing.
00:15:55What did he offer you?
00:15:57Who was she? A woman arrives at this wonderful Trump retreat.
00:16:01So, what does this Maxwell have to offer you?
00:16:04This lady named Maxwell.
00:16:12This woman came up, she looked absolutely normal, she was very beautiful, very elegant, pleasant.
00:16:21And he promised me a beautiful life.
00:16:23He told me he would let me study, he would help me.
00:16:29And I asked, but why? Because we like helping people.
00:16:32And that day I discovered what it really meant.
00:16:37He meant, yes, I should be abused and who knows, maybe we'll help you later.
00:16:42So he lied.
00:16:44And they are monsters with many masks.
00:16:47They offer her a very well-paid job.
00:16:53They also tell her, look, this woman named Maxwell, she tells her, I'm going to be your new mother.
00:16:59So they use some terminology to try to give her the sensation of heat.
00:17:05significant money, she accepts, enters this house immediately, first day, and immediately violence.
00:17:15I would like you to tell it.
00:17:21If a man had approached me there in Mara Lago, I would have said no, because I would have been, well, a little
00:17:29suspicious.
00:17:29But this woman had a beautiful appearance, she presented herself with a very generous figure.
00:17:35And so I went with her and within an hour I was being abused.
00:17:40My father had accompanied me, he greeted this woman at the entrance of this house
00:17:47and she promised my dad that everything would be okay.
00:17:50Everything seemed perfectly normal.
00:17:53And then, instead, at a certain point, Jeffrey turned around and they told me now get undressed.
00:17:58And the abuse started right away.
00:18:02Was there no chance of escape, of escape?
00:18:09I was petrified, I was terrified.
00:18:13These were powerful, wealthy people.
00:18:16You enter this house, it's the first thing you see.
00:18:20They are photos of Epstein with popes, presidents, a very rich house.
00:18:27At that point you say to yourself, what to do?
00:18:29I mean, can I scream?
00:18:31And then he said he controlled the police.
00:18:35What could I do?
00:18:36But would they ever have believed it?
00:18:37So, imagine, while Alessandra Moretti is following this meeting with Ritanna Armeni and Ilaria D'Amico,
00:18:52But imagine that we are talking about a little girl.
00:18:55I would like to show you the photograph of that little girl again, because otherwise you don't understand.
00:19:00I mean, today we might think, but he might react, be careful.
00:19:06Nothing, we can't do it.
00:19:07Here, this is the photograph.
00:19:10These are the little girls they had.
00:19:12Girls aged 13, 14.
00:19:14I said, later we will also discover a 12-year history.
00:19:18It's hard to get out when you get into a situation where there are these grown men who take you away and you
00:19:24they say
00:19:26this is your new life and then you find another reality.
00:19:29In some cases they even took away the passport, isn't that true?
00:19:35In some cases to some women?
00:19:41Yes, if you resisted, then they made your life miserable.
00:19:47They took your passports, they punished you.
00:19:52They were truly evil people and just wanted you to do exactly what they wanted.
00:19:59We manage to get into the house in Palm Beach.
00:20:02The police released these images, just to show you the situation.
00:20:08Here it is.
00:20:09These are...
00:20:10It's a seemingly normal house, right?
00:20:13Let us repeat, this is a billionaire who has homes all over the world.
00:20:16But look at these works of art.
00:20:19They have only one centrality, the naked woman, so there is a recurrence.
00:20:24This is the bathroom.
00:20:25Here, beyond these images.
00:20:27That's where the horror was, inside that house there was horror too.
00:20:31You experienced violence.
00:20:36Not just me.
00:20:38There were thousands of us who suffered this violence.
00:20:42The thing that we met with Virginia yesterday
00:20:45it's just that I was also shocked by the fact
00:20:49that not only did this billionaire Epstein rape them,
00:20:56but also this woman, this Maxwell,
00:20:59you told me even more harshly than the billionaire.
00:21:05She was the brains.
00:21:11Maxwell knew that Epstein had this disease,
00:21:18he needed to ejaculate as many times as possible.
00:21:21But it was she who decided how many girls she should bring.
00:21:25She also participated in the rape, in the violence.
00:21:32Era...
00:21:32In some houses it was even worse.
00:21:36The more you cried, the more it hurt.
00:21:39Even though I was shouting enough, but you said yesterday,
00:21:42as if it were a form of further excitement,
00:21:46increased his brutality.
00:21:49Yes, that's exactly how it was.
00:21:51And I was terrified.
00:21:53I didn't know how far it could go.
00:21:56The more I cried, the more violent she became.
00:22:01If you send me the image, here it is,
00:22:04you see her hugging.
00:22:05This woman who is wanted at this moment,
00:22:08but it disappeared.
00:22:10While he, I remember, the billionaire Epstein,
00:22:13he died inside the American prison.
00:22:17Here, he committed suicide
00:22:19or, according to some, eliminated.
00:22:24What do you think about this death?
00:22:31I do not know.
00:22:33I don't know.
00:22:37If they killed him, I don't even know if he's really dead.
00:22:41Who knows, we will never know what happened.
00:22:45There are too many people involved.
00:22:47Also because it was July 19th,
00:22:49so a short time before,
00:22:51he had been found injured inside the cell
00:22:54and he said he had been attacked.
00:22:56So he had been put under maximum security,
00:22:59it had to be monitored,
00:23:00there had to be an inmate in the same cell.
00:23:02None of this has been done.
00:23:05And at a certain point,
00:23:06Epstein, as in a novel,
00:23:09like a surreal scene,
00:23:12he was found hanged inside this cell.
00:23:15But there are still many question marks.
00:23:19Here, however, I wanted to hear from Ilaria.
00:23:24What are your feelings about this story?
00:23:27into which, I repeat, we enter on tiptoe.
00:23:30But I assure you that yesterday afternoon
00:23:32he told me some details
00:23:34which are things I avoid making public.
00:23:38But this woman has on her body
00:23:40obvious scars
00:23:42that showed me
00:23:43because the worst thing he was going through
00:23:46it was the sadomasochistic relationships.
00:23:49She was whipped, beaten and cut
00:23:51from other women
00:23:52who participated in these orgies.
00:23:56How does it feel?
00:23:58This woman's gaze
00:24:00that holds back,
00:24:01while I speak to you,
00:24:03he has tears in his eyes.
00:24:04So he's making a big effort
00:24:06in recalling this whole story.
00:24:09Ilaria.
00:24:13The feeling of infinite tenderness,
00:24:17naturally,
00:24:17just compassion,
00:24:19that is, suffering together with her
00:24:22for what he experienced
00:24:24and together with her
00:24:25all those girls,
00:24:28thousands of little girls,
00:24:31teenagers,
00:24:32who ended up in this network of ogres,
00:24:34because I can't think
00:24:35to anything other than an ogre.
00:24:38What is even more striking
00:24:40for me,
00:24:41for a woman,
00:24:42just today,
00:24:43on the day it is celebrated
00:24:44also women's day,
00:24:47assuming it makes any sense,
00:24:48but that's okay,
00:24:50I like to celebrate
00:24:51the woman always,
00:24:52so March 8th is also fine,
00:24:55it's the idea of thinking
00:24:56that the induction to this choice
00:25:02to trust and go
00:25:03to work at this house
00:25:06she came
00:25:07precisely because we trusted each other
00:25:09and Mrs. Virginia Giuffré
00:25:11she trusted
00:25:12of a woman.
00:25:13Here you are,
00:25:14that's what I think it is
00:25:15the last barrier
00:25:17that falls inside you
00:25:18when you've already had
00:25:19such a wretched life,
00:25:22No?
00:25:22That is, the idea that
00:25:23it's really true
00:25:24a mother figure
00:25:26par excellence,
00:25:28for a little girl,
00:25:29an adult woman
00:25:30she is a mother figure.
00:25:32I grew up
00:25:34with real aunts,
00:25:35my mother's sisters,
00:25:36and many step-aunts
00:25:38who were the friends
00:25:39of my mother,
00:25:40that I love
00:25:41and I still love it
00:25:43because we trust
00:25:44of people
00:25:45and above all
00:25:47when you have some problems
00:25:48you look for another woman
00:25:49trust,
00:25:50especially if you've had
00:25:51of negative experiences
00:25:52with men
00:25:53or you have a life anyway
00:25:55in which the male figure
00:25:57it's shaky.
00:25:59So for Virginia
00:26:00must have been
00:26:01Truly
00:26:02an internal fracture
00:26:04even stronger,
00:26:05even more painful.
00:26:08In addition to finding oneself
00:26:08in a house,
00:26:09I don't know if it was possible
00:26:11physically escape
00:26:12from that house
00:26:13and from that work
00:26:13very profitable,
00:26:15but the topic is another.
00:26:16When you find yourself
00:26:17in the face of power
00:26:20depicted
00:26:21from a house
00:26:21very luxurious
00:26:23or an environment
00:26:24very luxurious
00:26:25when you come
00:26:26from a completely different environment,
00:26:28when you find yourself
00:26:29in a situation
00:26:30in which you perceive
00:26:31that the relationships
00:26:32of the powerful
00:26:33I really am
00:26:34to the eyes
00:26:35of a little girl
00:26:38unattainable,
00:26:39you feel
00:26:39that you can't be
00:26:40defense,
00:26:41so the idea
00:26:42to escape
00:26:42not only does it throw you
00:26:44in the middle of the street
00:26:44from all points of view,
00:26:46but you're also scared
00:26:48Obviously
00:26:49if he suffered
00:26:49all this violence
00:26:50you're scared too
00:26:51of the final retaliation,
00:26:52that is, to be killed
00:26:54possibly
00:26:54attempting an escape
00:26:56or by subtracting yourself
00:26:56to these acts of violence
00:26:57but even
00:26:59you are paralyzed
00:27:01from the idea
00:27:01to be in front
00:27:02to a mountain
00:27:03that oppresses you
00:27:04with the possibility
00:27:06to have
00:27:06all relationships
00:27:07powerful people of the world
00:27:08to the eyes
00:27:08of a teenager
00:27:09of a little girl
00:27:10or of a woman
00:27:11young
00:27:12that comes from another environment
00:27:13they are insurmountable
00:27:14these things,
00:27:15so when you say
00:27:16because they did not withdraw
00:27:17or why they didn't run away
00:27:19even if they had been
00:27:20adults
00:27:21I don't know
00:27:21in the face of physical violence
00:27:23but what should we add?
00:27:24that is, then there was the aggravating circumstance
00:27:26that they were little girls
00:27:28but violence is violence
00:27:31Now
00:27:31it's violence
00:27:32Now
00:27:33I have the idea
00:27:33that if you enter
00:27:34in a man's bed
00:27:36consenting
00:27:36and in the end you change your mind
00:27:38you must be respected
00:27:39that is, I say
00:27:40not until the last second
00:27:42and I have the right
00:27:43to say no
00:27:43until the last second
00:27:44Attention
00:27:45why me now
00:27:46I add one more element
00:27:47in this story
00:27:48because it's the theme
00:27:50of which throughout the world
00:27:51it is being discussed
00:27:51it's the scandal
00:27:53in the scandal
00:27:54Why
00:27:55Prince Andrew
00:27:57he is accused
00:27:58from this girl
00:27:59of having had
00:28:01sexual intercourse
00:28:01when Virginia
00:28:03he was 17 years old
00:28:04we are talking
00:28:05of the son
00:28:07of Queen Elizabeth
00:28:08it all started
00:28:10in London
00:28:11Andrea
00:28:11in a place
00:28:13she was invited
00:28:15to dance
00:28:16he sweated a lot
00:28:17all these elements
00:28:19to whom
00:28:20Prince Andrew
00:28:21he replied
00:28:23after the advertisement
00:28:24let's go in
00:28:25about this story
00:28:27and on the role
00:28:28of Prince Andrew
00:28:29that he would have had
00:28:30Prince Andrew
00:28:30according to these statements
00:28:31after the advertisement
00:28:50I'm close to Virginia
00:28:52Giuffre
00:28:54this girl
00:28:54which created a worldwide case
00:28:58with its history
00:28:59with courage
00:29:00to report
00:29:00sexual violence
00:29:02the abuses
00:29:03which he suffered
00:29:03from an American billionaire
00:29:04And
00:29:05according to what she says
00:29:07even from man
00:29:07what you see behind me
00:29:08Prince Andrew
00:29:09Queen Elizabeth's son
00:29:10Therefore
00:29:11really opening
00:29:12something incredible
00:29:14greeting
00:29:15Alessandra Moretti
00:29:17PD MEP
00:29:18that has arrived
00:29:19here with us
00:29:19and listened
00:29:20up to now
00:29:21this story
00:29:21I also greet
00:29:23Ridanna Armenians
00:29:24writer
00:29:24On the contrary
00:29:25his book
00:29:25Mara
00:29:26tell the story
00:29:27of women
00:29:28who never give up
00:29:29who fight
00:29:30who fight
00:29:30even in different eras
00:29:32with great courage
00:29:33he's following us
00:29:35by Curma Ilaria
00:29:36D'Amico
00:29:37which I thank
00:29:37to be with us
00:29:39in one evening
00:29:39particular
00:29:40in a particular way
00:29:42we have dedicated
00:29:42on March 8th
00:29:43because we believe
00:29:45in certain battles
00:29:45and we want to be close
00:29:46to brave women
00:29:47like Virginia
00:29:48At that time
00:29:50Virginia
00:29:50he said
00:29:52of having had
00:29:53and to have done
00:29:55three meetings
00:29:57Obviously
00:29:58sexually oriented
00:29:59with Prince Andrew
00:30:00and he said
00:30:02some particular things
00:30:04of having met him
00:30:05in a bar
00:30:06in London
00:30:08of having danced
00:30:09with him
00:30:10and above all
00:30:11to remember
00:30:12that while you were dancing
00:30:14What
00:30:16what reaction did he have?
00:30:18his physique
00:30:19he was sweating a lot
00:30:22Yes
00:30:23he was sweating a lot
00:30:25while dancing
00:30:26I had it
00:30:28encountered
00:30:29first at home
00:30:30of Maxwell
00:30:31in London
00:30:32and then we went
00:30:33in this place
00:30:34what is called
00:30:35Trump
00:30:35and he
00:30:36he was sweating
00:30:37the smell
00:30:38era
00:30:39unbearable
00:30:40and I wanted
00:30:41to move away
00:30:42from him
00:30:43but then
00:30:43they told us
00:30:44that we should have
00:30:47to go away
00:30:48to do
00:30:49then I
00:30:50to him
00:30:51what
00:30:51I had to do
00:30:52with
00:30:54Jeff
00:30:54I stayed
00:30:55shocked
00:30:56also a member
00:30:57of the royal family
00:30:59incredible
00:31:00Here you are
00:31:00they are accusations
00:31:00very heavy
00:31:01but the prince
00:31:04precisely because of the accusations
00:31:05who has
00:31:07had to suffer
00:31:08from Virginia
00:31:09he was forced
00:31:10to give an interview
00:31:11at the BBC
00:31:13listen to the statements
00:31:14which obviously
00:31:15they overturn
00:31:16what is the position
00:31:17of Virginia's accusations
00:31:18listen
00:31:21to
00:31:22have no
00:31:23recollection
00:31:23of ever
00:31:24meeting her
00:31:26I'm almost
00:31:27in fact
00:31:27I'm convinced
00:31:29that I was
00:31:30never in
00:31:31tramps
00:31:31with her
00:31:32there are
00:31:33a number
00:31:33of things
00:31:33that are
00:31:34wrong
00:31:34with that
00:31:34story
00:31:34one of
00:31:36which
00:31:36is that
00:31:36I don't
00:31:38know
00:31:38where the
00:31:38bar
00:31:38is
00:31:39in
00:31:40tramps
00:31:43I don't
00:31:44drink
00:31:45I don't
00:31:46think
00:31:47I've
00:31:47ever
00:31:48bought
00:31:48a drink
00:31:48in tramps
00:31:49whenever
00:31:50I was
00:31:50there
00:31:51No
00:31:52that
00:31:53couldn't
00:31:53have
00:31:53happened
00:31:54because
00:31:54the date
00:31:54that
00:31:55was
00:31:55being
00:31:55suggested
00:31:56I was
00:31:57at home
00:31:57with the
00:31:58children
00:31:58my problem
00:31:58with
00:32:00the sweating
00:32:01because
00:32:03THE
00:32:04have a
00:32:06peculiar
00:32:06medical condition
00:32:07which is
00:32:08that I
00:32:08don't sweat
00:32:09or I
00:32:10didn't sweat
00:32:10at the
00:32:11time
00:32:11and that
00:32:12was
00:32:12Oh
00:32:13actually
00:32:13yes
00:32:14I didn't
00:32:14sweat
00:32:15at the
00:32:15time
00:32:15because
00:32:16THE
00:32:18had
00:32:18suffered
00:32:19what I
00:32:19would
00:32:19describe
00:32:20as
00:32:20an
00:32:20overdose
00:32:21of
00:32:21adrenaline
00:32:21in the
00:32:22Falklands
00:32:22war
00:32:22when I
00:32:23was
00:32:23shot
00:32:23at
00:32:24and
00:32:25THE
00:32:25simply
00:32:26it was
00:32:27almost
00:32:28impossible
00:32:28for me
00:32:29to sweat
00:32:30and it's
00:32:30only because
00:32:31I have
00:32:32given to
00:32:32number of
00:32:32things
00:32:33in the
00:32:34recent past
00:32:34that I'm
00:32:35starting to
00:32:36be able
00:32:36to do
00:32:37that again
00:32:38so I'm
00:32:38afraid to
00:32:39say that
00:32:39there's
00:32:40a medical
00:32:40condition
00:32:41that says
00:32:41that I
00:32:41didn't do
00:32:42it
00:32:42so therefore
00:32:44each
00:32:45and every
00:32:46single thing
00:32:47that that man
00:32:48said is a lie
00:32:50only lies
00:32:51he went to the bar
00:32:53to get something to drink
00:32:54for both
00:32:55he sweated
00:32:57and then
00:32:59has
00:32:59he raped me
00:33:01in the house
00:33:02Londoner
00:33:03of Maxwell
00:33:04he is guilty
00:33:05and must answer
00:33:07of what he did
00:33:09all of us
00:33:12we have to
00:33:12be responsible
00:33:13pay if
00:33:14we have
00:33:15accomplished
00:33:16an act
00:33:17like this
00:33:18he has to
00:33:19apologize to me
00:33:19and it should go
00:33:20in jail
00:33:22it was the same
00:33:24man who has
00:33:24a way of
00:33:25answer
00:33:26Enough
00:33:27No?
00:33:27let's see that
00:33:28he hesitates
00:33:28precisely dialectically
00:33:30that is, with her
00:33:32it was instead
00:33:33more
00:33:34hard
00:33:35more decisive
00:33:36or it's the same
00:33:38to what we have
00:33:38seen in this
00:33:39image?
00:33:45No
00:33:45it was different
00:33:48different
00:33:49compared to that
00:33:50that we see
00:33:50in this interview
00:33:52in the bedroom
00:33:57practically
00:33:58he treated you
00:34:00like a
00:34:01toy
00:34:02he was kind
00:34:03he got
00:34:04what he wanted
00:34:05then he left
00:34:06All
00:34:06how long did it last
00:34:07the relationship
00:34:07if I can
00:34:08ask for it
00:34:13very little
00:34:14ten minutes
00:34:15I would say
00:34:16Ilaria
00:34:17as a journalist
00:34:18I ask you
00:34:19what a feeling
00:34:20he gave you
00:34:21this interview
00:34:22to which evidently
00:34:23the prince
00:34:23Andrea was
00:34:24forced
00:34:25after these
00:34:26statements
00:34:30I don't know
00:34:31who do you recommend?
00:34:31the prince
00:34:32Andrea
00:34:32but in general
00:34:33the family
00:34:34real
00:34:34Why
00:34:34In my opinion
00:34:36this interview
00:34:36it was terrible
00:34:37I
00:34:38these days
00:34:39when you have me
00:34:40invited in this
00:34:42transmission
00:34:42you told me
00:34:43that we would be there
00:34:44met to talk
00:34:45of this theme
00:34:46I went to review
00:34:48this interview
00:34:49it's dramatic
00:34:51from the point of view
00:34:51journalistic
00:34:52the worst thing
00:34:55And
00:34:55the absence
00:34:57of participation
00:34:58to the pain
00:35:00for that
00:35:01what had happened
00:35:02Meaning what
00:35:02let's leave it alone
00:35:03the accusations
00:35:04that come to him
00:35:04on me
00:35:05he defends himself
00:35:06of the accusations
00:35:06but he is
00:35:08Friend
00:35:08Of
00:35:10a
00:35:11man
00:35:11which was
00:35:13accused
00:35:14from so many
00:35:15victims
00:35:16to be
00:35:16a pedophile
00:35:17and a
00:35:18rapist
00:35:20serial
00:35:21while he was talking
00:35:22of all
00:35:23these situations
00:35:25it seemed
00:35:26completely
00:35:27detached
00:35:28from the sense
00:35:30that is me
00:35:30feeling
00:35:30the interview
00:35:31by Virginia Giuffre
00:35:33Now
00:35:34and his words
00:35:36I have a tight fit
00:35:37in the stomach
00:35:38I don't know how to say it
00:35:38as well as a rage
00:35:40terrible
00:35:40that comes to you
00:35:41towards
00:35:41this type
00:35:43of situations
00:35:43towards this type
00:35:44of men
00:35:45Obviously
00:35:45it's too much
00:35:45everything easy
00:35:46what I'm doing
00:35:47saying
00:35:47I wonder
00:35:49beyond
00:35:50to defend yourself
00:35:51with
00:35:52of words
00:35:53clear
00:35:54with
00:35:54of situations
00:35:56in which he says
00:35:57of having been
00:35:58to eat
00:35:58in fast food
00:35:59with the
00:36:00with the
00:36:00with her daughter
00:36:01one of the daughters
00:36:02Beatrice
00:36:03if I'm not mistaken
00:36:04that evening
00:36:05Therefore
00:36:06to tell his alibi
00:36:07to justify oneself
00:36:09compared to sweat
00:36:10impossible
00:36:11for the rest
00:36:13it remained
00:36:13dramatically
00:36:14distant
00:36:15from the sense
00:36:16of that situation
00:36:17also from participation
00:36:18so close
00:36:20with a deep friendship
00:36:22and narrow
00:36:23with an ogre
00:36:24At that time
00:36:25we can all be
00:36:26friends of an ogre
00:36:27and not realize it
00:36:29but in the moment
00:36:30in which we realize
00:36:32of this situation
00:36:34Well
00:36:35somehow
00:36:36inside us
00:36:37and therefore also
00:36:39in the moment
00:36:40where we do
00:36:40an interview
00:36:41of that kind
00:36:42we need
00:36:43to make explicit
00:36:43this thing
00:36:44we hear
00:36:45a sense
00:36:46of discomfort
00:36:47it wasn't
00:36:48even if it were
00:36:49not a sense
00:36:49of guilt
00:36:50but it's a sense
00:36:50of deep discomfort
00:36:52for a meeting
00:36:53so close
00:36:54to a man
00:36:54which determined
00:36:55so much
00:36:56suffering
00:36:57and so much violence
00:36:58and this is proven
00:37:02I do not know
00:37:03In my opinion
00:37:03that interview
00:37:04journalistically
00:37:05it was just
00:37:06not to be granted
00:37:07and it's not the first time
00:37:09that the royal family
00:37:09he's completely wrong
00:37:11the interviews
00:37:11Now
00:37:12the BBC
00:37:13it is obviously
00:37:15the network
00:37:16of reference
00:37:17of course
00:37:18but beyond
00:37:18of the fact
00:37:19that's beautiful
00:37:20see how
00:37:21there is no
00:37:22a genuflection
00:37:24in front of
00:37:24to the royals
00:37:25by
00:37:26of journalists
00:37:26by BBC
00:37:27and others
00:37:28English networks
00:37:30when they have to do it
00:37:30their interviews
00:37:32they go straight
00:37:32they are pressing
00:37:33and there wasn't
00:37:35no type
00:37:35of benevolence
00:37:36from the journalist
00:37:37there were some questions
00:37:38very clear
00:37:39pressing
00:37:40very precise
00:37:41to bring out
00:37:42the facts
00:37:43on the other side
00:37:45from the side
00:37:46of the royal family
00:37:47by Andrea
00:37:48of Prince Andrew
00:37:50it's definitely not
00:37:51a good service
00:37:53Alessandra Moretti
00:37:57in the world
00:37:59in Italy
00:38:00in Europe
00:38:00there are millions
00:38:01women
00:38:02that they suffer
00:38:03violence
00:38:03everyday
00:38:05and this story
00:38:07Virginia's
00:38:09teaches us
00:38:10two things
00:38:10basically
00:38:11the first
00:38:13is that
00:38:13the shapes
00:38:14of violence
00:38:15they are different
00:38:16and involve
00:38:17so many women
00:38:18belonging
00:38:19by social strata
00:38:20at social levels
00:38:20very different
00:38:22that is, women
00:38:23little girls
00:38:23in this case
00:38:24teenagers
00:38:25very fragile
00:38:26maybe coming from
00:38:28from
00:38:30environments
00:38:30socially
00:38:32fragile
00:38:32but also
00:38:34women
00:38:34Instead
00:38:35or little girls
00:38:35or little girls
00:38:36belonging
00:38:37instead to environments
00:38:38more
00:38:40elevated
00:38:41at the same time
00:38:42the executioners
00:38:44I am
00:38:45and this story
00:38:46he proves it to us
00:38:47clearly
00:38:48very often
00:38:50the unsuspecting
00:38:51that is, people
00:38:53from which
00:38:54you wouldn't expect
00:38:55never
00:38:55behaviors
00:38:57of this type
00:38:58Meaning what
00:38:59Who
00:38:59perpetrates
00:39:00violence
00:39:01can be
00:39:03and it is
00:39:03in history
00:39:04told
00:39:05from Virginia
00:39:05a powerful one
00:39:06and exploits
00:39:07its power
00:39:08then to blackmail
00:39:09what it teaches us
00:39:11Virginia
00:39:12that's what they teach us
00:39:13so many women
00:39:14that they suffer
00:39:15violence
00:39:16that is, never a step
00:39:17backwards
00:39:18but the complaint
00:39:19the violence
00:39:21of all kinds
00:39:22they go
00:39:23and they must
00:39:24to be reported
00:39:25This
00:39:25and for this
00:39:26we have to thank her
00:39:27this evening
00:39:28she
00:39:29he has his first relationship
00:39:31in London
00:39:32then another time
00:39:34in America
00:39:36when he saw her
00:39:37he recognized her
00:39:39what attitude
00:39:40had
00:39:40the second time
00:39:43Yes
00:39:45he recognized me
00:39:46right away
00:39:47he looked at me
00:39:48saying
00:39:49ah
00:39:49nice to see you again
00:39:50Yes
00:39:51so he recognized me
00:39:53and then there was
00:39:54another person
00:39:55a
00:39:57witness
00:39:58that was there
00:40:00and there was
00:40:01another one
00:40:02victim
00:40:03and I was
00:40:04in my arms
00:40:05to Prince Andrew
00:40:06and he
00:40:07he touched the breast
00:40:08of another girl
00:40:09so he continues
00:40:10to lie
00:40:11and then there is another one
00:40:12report there too
00:40:13according to her
00:40:14he's saying
00:40:15there would have been
00:40:16another relationship
00:40:18always sexual
00:40:19same dynamics
00:40:21alone
00:40:21in a room
00:40:22Yes
00:40:24we were alone
00:40:26in the massage room
00:40:28and we had
00:40:29this second meeting
00:40:31there
00:40:32and it was for me
00:40:34life
00:40:35what I was doing
00:40:36with Jeffrey Epstein
00:40:37nothing new
00:40:38nothing of
00:40:38abnormal
00:40:40there is
00:40:42a newspaper
00:40:43in the New York Post
00:40:45who speaks
00:40:47of a testimony
00:40:48among other things
00:40:48important
00:40:49of the pilot
00:40:50David Rogers
00:40:52of the plane
00:40:54on which
00:40:55a private plane
00:40:56on which they flew
00:40:58Virginia
00:41:01Epstein
00:41:01which declares
00:41:03in this deposition
00:41:04that there was
00:41:05Prince Andrew too
00:41:07then he says
00:41:07I don't know
00:41:08what happened
00:41:09but I know
00:41:10and declares it
00:41:11New York Post
00:41:12that there was
00:41:13this situation
00:41:15but the violence
00:41:17worse
00:41:18it happens
00:41:19on the island
00:41:20on St. James
00:41:21that there
00:41:23there is no violence
00:41:25an exchange
00:41:27sexual
00:41:28between you two
00:41:30there is a real one
00:41:31own
00:41:32orgy
00:41:32according to what
00:41:34she said
00:41:35is that so?
00:41:38on the island
00:41:39by Jeffrey
00:41:40there were none
00:41:41rules
00:41:42everyone was
00:41:43free
00:41:44to do
00:41:44what
00:41:45they wanted
00:41:46and that's why
00:41:47that Jeffrey
00:41:48had created
00:41:49this island
00:41:49And
00:41:50Prince Andrew
00:41:51he found
00:41:53not just me
00:41:53but
00:41:54me
00:41:55And
00:41:56eight girls
00:41:57even more
00:41:58young
00:41:59about me
00:41:59and that was it
00:42:00that he wanted
00:42:00even younger
00:42:01she had
00:42:0217 years old
00:42:03so it means
00:42:05a little girl
00:42:05of 14-15
00:42:07Yes
00:42:08I had
00:42:08about 17 years old
00:42:09and the others
00:42:10smaller ones?
00:42:1416-15
00:42:15years
00:42:17and all together?
00:42:19all together
00:42:20all together
00:42:22At that time
00:42:22Yes
00:42:23the truth
00:42:24let's avoid entering
00:42:25in the details
00:42:26Why
00:42:26In short
00:42:27let's go right in
00:42:28in morbidity
00:42:29more thrust
00:42:30but I would like to ask
00:42:32to a woman
00:42:32like you
00:42:34Bill Clinton
00:42:35made 11 flights
00:42:38according to what
00:42:38another magazine
00:42:39he identified
00:42:40flew 11 times
00:42:42on the plane
00:42:42by Epstein
00:42:44what is called
00:42:44among other things
00:42:45Lolita
00:42:45which already therefore
00:42:46No
00:42:47the name already
00:42:48Lolita
00:42:48it means everything
00:42:49it's the opposite
00:42:51of everything
00:42:53important managers
00:42:55important lawyers
00:42:57men of power
00:43:00that were going
00:43:01on that island
00:43:02if we can
00:43:03then to do it
00:43:03review
00:43:04this island
00:43:05why it's important
00:43:06imagine it
00:43:07we think
00:43:08in the Caribbean
00:43:08like a place
00:43:09of paradise
00:43:10actually
00:43:10for these women
00:43:11these little girls
00:43:12it was hell
00:43:13here are these powerful men
00:43:14of which we have images
00:43:15then in reality
00:43:16I am
00:43:16according to what
00:43:18Virginia tells
00:43:19all other stuff
00:43:21it really struck me
00:43:23Virginia's story
00:43:24why Virginia
00:43:25he reported
00:43:26a system
00:43:27of power
00:43:28that these men
00:43:29they had
00:43:30about these girls
00:43:32which is very similar
00:43:33to the trade
00:43:34you seem to me
00:43:34that you used
00:43:35this very thing
00:43:37the trade
00:43:38there is a criminal action
00:43:40it's not about
00:43:41of prostitution
00:43:43seduction
00:43:44ambiguous relationship
00:43:45but real
00:43:47buying and selling
00:43:48and the thing
00:43:49that she said
00:43:50at the start
00:43:51in the interview
00:43:52he said
00:43:52they were men
00:43:53rich and powerful
00:43:54and then
00:43:56he reported
00:43:57a system
00:43:58of men
00:43:59rich and powerful
00:44:00that abuse
00:44:01of little girls
00:44:02that are weak
00:44:03and fragile
00:44:04Here you are
00:44:05Maximum
00:44:06this thing to me
00:44:07it strikes me
00:44:08because it is not about
00:44:09of a single
00:44:10of a man
00:44:10of a violence
00:44:11of something
00:44:12which unfortunately
00:44:13it's very ugly
00:44:14but we know
00:44:15what can happen
00:44:16but it's about
00:44:17of one thing
00:44:17very well organized
00:44:19and also a lot
00:44:20well tolerated
00:44:21evidently
00:44:22by the authorities
00:44:24because it is not possible
00:44:25that a system
00:44:26of which they are part
00:44:27bankers
00:44:28manager
00:44:28heads of state
00:44:31that you go to an island
00:44:32what are we talking about?
00:44:33of a safety net
00:44:34quite strong
00:44:34what are we talking about?
00:44:35of a safety net
00:44:36very large
00:44:37that acts
00:44:39on the skin
00:44:40of these guys
00:44:40look
00:44:41when we talk
00:44:42of trafficking
00:44:42Virginia
00:44:43we usually imagine
00:44:45men of color
00:44:46rather crude
00:44:47what do these girls take?
00:44:49in African countries
00:44:50and that they bring them
00:44:51with the same mechanism
00:44:53they are there too
00:44:54women
00:44:54which instead
00:44:56here we are
00:44:56in an environment
00:44:57completely different
00:44:58whites
00:44:59candies
00:45:00rich
00:45:01powerful
00:45:02but
00:45:03and also organized
00:45:04why this Massimo
00:45:05it's an organization
00:45:06it's not a thing
00:45:07so random
00:45:08But here I want to ask
00:45:10in short, a man
00:45:12so important
00:45:13so powerful
00:45:14he had in his hand
00:45:16many other powerful people
00:45:18and why do you think
00:45:20he had them
00:45:21inside the house
00:45:22inside these rooms
00:45:24there is a system
00:45:25of video recording
00:45:28absolutely
00:45:31absolutely yes
00:45:32I saw
00:45:34what he had
00:45:36in this house
00:45:36in New York
00:45:39there is this little room
00:45:40where I went
00:45:43I saw
00:45:44that in this little room
00:45:46there were monitors
00:45:47that they were resuming
00:45:49All
00:45:50cameras
00:45:51everywhere
00:45:52in massage rooms
00:45:53in the bathrooms
00:45:54and in the bedrooms
00:45:55it is clear that this
00:45:57had one goal
00:45:58not safety
00:45:59but the blackmail
00:46:00and once
00:46:01I said
00:46:02but why is he coming to the island
00:46:03Bill Clinton
00:46:04and the answer was
00:46:06because he owes me a favor
00:46:09Therefore
00:46:09do the math
00:46:11you understand that in practice
00:46:13him
00:46:14he blackmailed
00:46:16all these people
00:46:17and from here
00:46:18his request is born
00:46:19dry because he died
00:46:20but I want it
00:46:21to put in difficulty
00:46:23on one point
00:46:25I want to show
00:46:26this photograph
00:46:27to Ilaria D'Amico
00:46:29there is a photo
00:46:30which is much discussed
00:46:32Ilaria
00:46:32which portrays
00:46:34Virginia
00:46:36Together
00:46:37to Prince Andrew
00:46:38and at the side
00:46:39there is this woman
00:46:40which is the black soul
00:46:42of billionaire Epstein
00:46:44Gillian Maxwell
00:46:45Here you are
00:46:46if one looks
00:46:47Virginia
00:46:48Here you are
00:46:48I want to ask
00:46:49to Ilaria
00:46:50if you didn't know
00:46:51nothing of this photograph
00:46:52of this story
00:46:53if I only had to
00:46:54give me a feeling
00:46:55of this photograph
00:46:56a beautiful girl
00:46:58young
00:46:59he is a prince
00:47:01Meaning what
00:47:01it doesn't seem like it
00:47:02nothing tragic
00:47:03I'm wrong
00:47:04Ilaria
00:47:06I'm not a prince
00:47:08young
00:47:09at that time
00:47:11so respect
00:47:13for example
00:47:13to the billionaire
00:47:15Epstein
00:47:15that I don't know
00:47:16How much
00:47:18how old
00:47:19have had
00:47:20at the time
00:47:20but
00:47:20it seems
00:47:21that Andrea
00:47:22is
00:47:23Prince Andrew
00:47:24be it also
00:47:25relatively young
00:47:26yes we are talking
00:47:27we are talking
00:47:29of the years
00:47:29early 2000s
00:47:30Here you are
00:47:31it's the beginning of 2000
00:47:32Here you are
00:47:32late 90s
00:47:33early 2000s
00:47:34so he was very young
00:47:36Certainly
00:47:36here but if you
00:47:37try to isolate it
00:47:38I think it's a normal photo
00:47:41two people hugging
00:47:42Don't worry, right?
00:47:47At that time
00:47:48this should
00:47:49should be justified
00:47:51from a proximity
00:47:52from one
00:47:53from one
00:47:54close acquaintance
00:47:55this kind of hug
00:47:56but you know
00:47:57today in the age of selfies
00:47:58I can imagine
00:47:59That
00:48:00we could see
00:48:01a little girl
00:48:02a teenager
00:48:03who meets the prince
00:48:04in a situation
00:48:06Of
00:48:07Parents' Day
00:48:08I imagine
00:48:09at home
00:48:10and takes a selfie
00:48:12with the prince
00:48:12the face
00:48:14back there
00:48:15from the
00:48:16of Maxwell
00:48:18that's it
00:48:19good-natured
00:48:20of those who bless
00:48:21this
00:48:22this situation
00:48:23of relaxation
00:48:24and friendship
00:48:25Of
00:48:26of meetings
00:48:27it makes you think
00:48:28that you are in a situation
00:48:29where there are other people
00:48:31they are having a drink
00:48:32and everyone
00:48:33kindly
00:48:34they compare themselves
00:48:35between adults
00:48:36and they exchange
00:48:37some chatter
00:48:38with the teenager
00:48:39but in reality
00:48:40maximum
00:48:41Excuse me
00:48:41the further we go
00:48:42in this story
00:48:43the more we realize
00:48:44that that system
00:48:46who reported
00:48:48Virginia
00:48:49he said it well
00:48:49Ritan Armeni
00:48:50it's a system
00:48:52that we heard
00:48:53and seen it told
00:48:54many times
00:48:54In short
00:48:55the queen bee
00:48:57there are many
00:48:58in all
00:48:59the world
00:49:00even in our house
00:49:02I can say one thing
00:49:03I have to say
00:49:05that to me
00:49:05that photo
00:49:06It doesn't surprise me
00:49:06not at all
00:49:07because it's not that
00:49:08we have to imagine
00:49:10precisely
00:49:10the ogre
00:49:11the ogre
00:49:11it does not manifest itself
00:49:12immediately
00:49:12like an ogre
00:49:13there is a situation
00:49:15that to her
00:49:16that photo
00:49:17reflects exactly
00:49:18what
00:49:19Virginia
00:49:19In my opinion
00:49:20it's the situation
00:49:21as well as the situation
00:49:22it was configured
00:49:23a normal situation
00:49:24because it was normal
00:49:26abuse that
00:49:27the horror
00:49:27it's normal
00:49:28why the abnormality
00:49:31it would have been
00:49:31how to say
00:49:32Indeed
00:49:33Virginia
00:49:33not by chance
00:49:34as soon as
00:49:35he understood
00:49:36the abnormality
00:49:37she rebelled
00:49:38and he did
00:49:38an act of courage
00:49:39it's clear that there
00:49:41the situation
00:49:41he had to show up
00:49:43in a completely different way
00:49:44but we know this
00:49:45but he says this
00:49:47it always happens like this
00:49:47listen to what he says
00:49:49the prince
00:49:49that he
00:49:50obviously he says
00:49:51I deny everything
00:49:53why we remember it
00:49:54he said
00:49:54I have never met her
00:49:56Virginia
00:49:56he reiterates it several times
00:49:57he denies it several times
00:49:59listen also
00:50:01on this photograph
00:50:02what does he say
00:50:03I think it's
00:50:05from the investigations
00:50:06that we've done
00:50:07you can't prove
00:50:09whether or not
00:50:10that photograph
00:50:10is faked or not
00:50:13because
00:50:13it is a photograph
00:50:15of a photograph
00:50:16of a photograph
00:50:16so it's very difficult
00:50:18to be able
00:50:18to prove it
00:50:21but
00:50:22I don't remember
00:50:23that photograph
00:50:24ever being taken
00:50:24because I don't
00:50:25I have no
00:50:26again I have
00:50:26absolutely no memory
00:50:28of that photograph
00:50:29ever being taken
00:50:35what to say
00:50:40I know very well
00:50:41that this photo
00:50:42it was taken
00:50:43and Epstein
00:50:45he had this
00:50:46camera
00:50:48Yellow Kodak
00:50:49it was him
00:50:51to take the photo
00:50:52And
00:50:53it was never possible
00:50:55show
00:50:56sadness
00:50:57crying
00:50:58it was always necessary
00:50:59be cheerful
00:51:00to have the appearance
00:51:02of one that
00:51:02he was happy
00:51:03although
00:51:04you felt like dying
00:51:05in
00:51:06but it was the only one
00:51:07alternative
00:51:08Excuse me
00:51:09there is also
00:51:10seen yours
00:51:11young age
00:51:12we remember
00:51:13we are talking
00:51:14of little girls
00:51:14very young
00:51:1515, 16, 17 years old
00:51:17there is
00:51:19psychologically
00:51:22a surrender
00:51:23excuse me a word
00:51:24that to her
00:51:24maybe he doesn't have
00:51:25but you become
00:51:26a little slave
00:51:27of a certain
00:51:28that thing
00:51:29which seems
00:51:30abnormal
00:51:31becomes yours
00:51:32normality
00:51:35Yes
00:51:39this was the
00:51:40normality
00:51:41since
00:51:42Jeffrey
00:51:43and Maxwell
00:51:44they started
00:51:45to teach me
00:51:47how to make happy
00:51:48the men
00:51:50hold them back
00:51:51sexually
00:51:52give them
00:51:53what they wanted
00:51:54and if maybe
00:51:55I had put myself
00:51:56to cry
00:51:56in that photo
00:51:57well today
00:51:58that photo
00:51:59we wouldn't have it
00:52:00never seen before
00:52:01why Jeffrey
00:52:02he wanted girls
00:52:03smiling
00:52:04happy
00:52:04that's why
00:52:05he made it available to us
00:52:07psychologists
00:52:08doctors
00:52:08the men
00:52:09that came
00:52:10with her
00:52:10Excuse me
00:52:11I ask him
00:52:11to make it clear
00:52:12even gravity
00:52:13they were going
00:52:13these little girls
00:52:14they used
00:52:15some condoms?
00:52:19No
00:52:20Nobody?
00:52:22No
00:52:24Nobody
00:52:26every three months
00:52:28we had to
00:52:29to go there
00:52:31at
00:52:32a doctor
00:52:32once
00:52:33I stayed
00:52:33pregnant
00:52:34even once
00:52:35there were doctors
00:52:36that anyway
00:52:37so you see
00:52:38there is a system
00:52:39incredible
00:52:39even gynecologists
00:52:41who knew
00:52:42All
00:52:42they were checking
00:52:43little girls
00:52:43of 13
00:52:4414
00:52:4415
00:52:45years
00:52:45it's a thing
00:52:46terrible
00:52:47but
00:52:47I want to ask
00:52:48to Alessandra
00:52:50these women
00:52:51victims
00:52:52they don't come
00:52:53never believed
00:52:54that is, the typical
00:52:55reaction
00:52:56of men
00:52:57is to say
00:52:57I don't know her
00:52:58or she was there
00:52:59she was consenting
00:53:01we are talking here
00:53:02of minors
00:53:02so clearly
00:53:03one says
00:53:04it is not known
00:53:05Well
00:53:06we could define it
00:53:08a sort of reduction
00:53:10of modern slavery
00:53:12in a modern key
00:53:13No?
00:53:13Why
00:53:14as you said before
00:53:15it's a system
00:53:16Ritano said it
00:53:17Very good
00:53:18a system
00:53:19built
00:53:20well organized
00:53:22of reduction
00:53:22of slavery
00:53:23of minors
00:53:24and the system
00:53:27of power
00:53:29organized
00:53:31capillaryly
00:53:32also widespread
00:53:33that is
00:53:34involved
00:53:35from the policeman
00:53:36to the magistrate
00:53:37to all the various
00:53:39let's say
00:53:40institutional levels
00:53:42the doctors
00:53:44the dentists
00:53:45it's obvious
00:53:46which they then created
00:53:47a safety net
00:53:48compared to Epstein
00:53:50same
00:53:50a protection
00:53:52and also
00:53:53they facilitated
00:53:54all this
00:53:55not only
00:53:56but why
00:53:56evidently
00:53:57they benefited
00:53:59so for that
00:54:00it's a reduction
00:54:01in slavery
00:54:02it's a form
00:54:03of prostitution
00:54:05the men
00:54:06that go
00:54:07with prostitutes
00:54:08they never protect themselves
00:54:09he doesn't care
00:54:10Nothing
00:54:11of that woman
00:54:12you are no longer a woman
00:54:13you are an object
00:54:14you're a game
00:54:15for them
00:54:16you are nothing
00:54:17how many little girls
00:54:19they will have passed
00:54:20on that island
00:54:24should do a number
00:54:26she was there
00:54:27how old
00:54:273-4 years
00:54:30Jean-Luc Brunel
00:54:31we need to talk
00:54:33by Jean-Luc Brunel
00:54:34only him
00:54:36port
00:54:36more than a thousand
00:54:37little girls
00:54:38so that
00:54:39Epstein
00:54:40could abuse them
00:54:41and this
00:54:42it was said
00:54:43from Epstein
00:54:44on that island
00:54:45Well
00:54:45could do
00:54:46anything
00:54:47it was God
00:54:47she spoke
00:54:49Of
00:54:49Luc Brunel
00:54:51Luc Brunel
00:54:52he is a man
00:54:53funded
00:54:54from Epstein
00:54:55he had an agency
00:54:56in fashion
00:54:56very important
00:54:57but
00:54:58this agency
00:54:59in fashion
00:54:59he made it come
00:55:00little girls
00:55:01which were needed
00:55:03to the circuit
00:55:04closed
00:55:04of the violence
00:55:06in the houses
00:55:07by Epstein
00:55:08another girl
00:55:10a former model
00:55:12had
00:55:12courage
00:55:13to speak
00:55:13listen to it
00:55:16in 2004
00:55:17this South American
00:55:19it's a mannequin
00:55:2018 years old
00:55:21recruits
00:55:22by Jean-Luc Brunel
00:55:23he agrees
00:55:25to pass by
00:55:25two days
00:55:26in the villa
00:55:26of the billionaire
00:55:27in Palm Beach
00:55:28in Florida
00:55:29he had
00:55:31us
00:55:31the mannequin
00:55:31and also
00:55:32Jean-Luc Brunel
00:55:34Mr. Epstein
00:55:36and assistant
00:55:37and everyone
00:55:39who work
00:55:40at home
00:55:40to the feeling
00:55:42to be privileged
00:55:45to be there
00:55:47at the end
00:55:48of this weekend
00:55:49it's the embarquement
00:55:50in the jet
00:55:51private
00:55:51by Epstein
00:55:51Always
00:55:52in companion
00:55:53by Jean-Luc Brunel
00:55:54direction
00:55:55New York
00:55:55we are installed
00:55:57in a
00:55:58very nice
00:55:58apartment
00:55:59in New York
00:56:00in the Upper East Side
00:56:01and we have
00:56:02habit
00:56:03with the only one
00:56:04of assistance
00:56:05by Epstein
00:56:07he goes and stays
00:56:092 weeks
00:56:09during those
00:56:10the multimillionaire
00:56:12leur fait parvenir
00:56:13of gifts
00:56:14we gave you
00:56:16par exemple
00:56:17of billets
00:56:18Broadway
00:56:19il nous a envoyé
00:56:21of flowers
00:56:21il nous a envoyé
00:56:22of chocolate
00:56:23ensuite
00:56:24the assistant
00:56:26avec qui on habitait
00:56:27she asked me
00:56:29je pourrais bien
00:56:30go to his house
00:56:31he gives a massage
00:56:34et pour lui remercier
00:56:36justement
00:56:37the young model
00:56:38refuse to do
00:56:39a massage
00:56:39to Epstein
00:56:40and very long life
00:56:41sa situation
00:56:42change
00:56:42j'étais appelé
00:56:45at the agency
00:56:45et ils m'ont
00:56:47announced
00:56:47qu'il fallait
00:56:48déménager
00:56:49de cet appartement
00:56:50where I live
00:56:51donc je déménageais
00:56:53of an apartment
00:56:55in Brooklyn
00:56:56very far
00:56:58du center-ville
00:57:00and I feel
00:57:02que c'était
00:57:02a fate
00:57:03of pollution
00:57:05to the suite
00:57:06of this incident
00:57:06she affirms
00:57:08I don't want more
00:57:09worked
00:57:09with the agency
00:57:10by Jean-Luc Brunel
00:57:12nous avons cherché
00:57:13to join
00:57:14Jean-Luc Brunel
00:57:15without success
00:57:16l'une de ses connaissances
00:57:18in the milieu
00:57:18of fashion
00:57:19nous a confié
00:57:20qu'il ne croyait
00:57:21not at all
00:57:21à ses accusations
00:57:23c'est qu'il dit
00:57:24qu'il a fait bien
00:57:24des filles de 12 ans
00:57:25aux Etats-Unis
00:57:25c'est que des conneries
00:57:26it's impossible
00:57:27to do well
00:57:28des filles de 12 ans
00:57:28aux Etats-Unis
00:57:29without accompaniment
00:57:30par les parents
00:57:31no mais sinon
00:57:32il y a des parents
00:57:32il y a des parents
00:57:34here...
00:57:34il y a des parents
00:57:36les avocats américains
00:57:37seek everywhere
00:57:38the middle
00:57:38to have filles
00:57:39à pl�
00:57:42East-Unis
00:57:43c'est vrai que 3
00:57:44little girls
00:57:4412 years old
00:57:45sont-ils portés
00:57:46from France
00:57:47to the island
00:57:49et sont-ils
00:57:50sont-ils
00:57:50gifts
00:57:52to Epstein
00:57:54les 3 12 ans
00:57:56sont-ils portés
00:57:58at home
00:57:58à Pambique
00:57:59ces 3
00:57:59little girls
00:58:0012 years old
00:58:01sont-ils portés
00:58:02at home
00:58:03à Pambique
00:58:04à Pambique
00:58:04à Pambique
00:58:05to Epstein
00:58:05as a gift
00:58:06of birthday
00:58:09and I remember Jeffrey Mill talking about these three little girls
00:58:14and he realized that I was shocked and he said
00:58:19Don't worry, I paid well for these girls, so the parents are fine
00:58:25so he thought that giving someone money to have another baby was acceptable
00:58:33he had the idea that he was helping people while instead he was destroying their lives
00:58:40Alessandra finds it hard to imagine three 12-year-old girls practically bought and brought from France.
00:58:49so there is a whole cycle of protection in a certain way, of safeguarding
00:58:53I have an 11 year old daughter so I can relate to the awareness well.
00:59:02of how small, unaware, fragile a little girl can be
00:59:08from a feeling point of view, from a physical point of view
00:59:11At the same time, however, as happened 20 years ago, it happens very often in the world but also in Europe
00:59:18precisely the reduction of slavery, the trafficking of very young girls who are bought
00:59:25perhaps very socially weak families, very poor who need money out of necessity
00:59:32they do it out of desperation
00:59:34Well, obviously I think that in these cases the complaint
00:59:39and then the fact that those who are part of the institutions have to believe these women
00:59:44because you see Virginia when a woman suffers for example violence and finds the courage
00:59:51and the strength to report must face a trial
00:59:54and what are you doing a little this evening, right?
00:59:58It's not easy for you to retrace the history, the moments, the emotions, the memories
01:00:03here is a woman who finds herself before a judge in the Italian courts too
01:00:08now I have to say much much less
01:00:10but once the first thing she was asked was what were you wearing?
01:00:15but did you cause that situation?
01:00:18did you ask for that situation?
01:00:20these are phrases that we women no longer want to hear
01:00:24because violence is violence
01:00:25As Ilaria D'Amico said before, she is absolutely right
01:00:29until the last second I can tell you no
01:00:32I have the right to choose when, how
01:00:37to go with a person, to go with a man
01:00:39there must be the will
01:00:41Ilaria
01:00:44when I hear
01:00:46I would like to add, I totally agree Massimo
01:00:50I hear about 12 year old children
01:00:52I would also like to add one thing though
01:00:53we're talking about 12-year-old children
01:00:57and all the powerful went to this man
01:00:59this man who had already had problems with the law many years before
01:01:06and everyone pretended not to know
01:01:08he found extrajudicial agreements
01:01:11but everyone knew what was happening
01:01:14so even pretend not to know who he was
01:01:16and well, it's a bit complicated
01:01:19Please
01:01:22Well, this changes things a bit.
01:01:23you see then there are elements that I know less about
01:01:27and you obviously have thoroughly explored the issue
01:01:31this changes things even with respect to those very powerful people of the earth
01:01:35who were close to this man
01:01:38and who continued to frequent it
01:01:41I mean, I wonder
01:01:42if there have already been precedents
01:01:45and then maybe with some plea bargains
01:01:48I don't know exactly how it works in the American system
01:01:52I don't know if it's possible to negotiate
01:01:54and then not go to jail
01:01:57the moment you are accused anyway
01:02:00and a charge of violence is proven on
01:02:03or of I don't know attempted molestation of young girls
01:02:09but if there was a precedent
01:02:10and I am a president of the United States
01:02:14rather than an extremely prominent person
01:02:20at any political level of finance
01:02:23of the public world in quotation marks
01:02:25or Prince Andrew himself
01:02:29and I continue to see this person
01:02:31even after this dark side of the person is immersed
01:02:35well it's different
01:02:36it's different
01:02:37if I go to Epstein's island
01:02:40after it has already been
01:02:44Epstein's other side revealed
01:02:47it's not the same thing
01:02:50it's obvious
01:02:51but I have to ask myself the question of who I'm hanging out with
01:02:56if I am a public figure
01:02:57but it is very powerful
01:02:59evidently it was convenient not to ask the question
01:03:02or pretend not to know
01:03:04No
01:03:04pretend not to know
01:03:06but it is a serious responsibility
01:03:07or maybe yes grammatically there was a complicity
01:03:11why not say it
01:03:12there is a complicity of these powerful people among themselves
01:03:16a system of complicity and blackmail
01:03:19because they were also blackmailed
01:03:21I mean, in my opinion, if there were any photographs
01:03:24they will have taken some of you and others too
01:03:27if there were any controls
01:03:29it is clear that there was a system complicit in a very serious crime
01:03:35look, we're talking about little girls
01:03:37of little girls because what do we call these 12 year olds
01:03:41a complicit system that protected itself
01:03:43so each of them protected the other
01:03:45that's why in my opinion
01:03:48Virginia, you were very brave.
01:03:51very brave
01:03:52because you put yourself against this system alone
01:03:56and well, it's not easy
01:03:58What was the worst moment you've ever experienced?
01:04:02in these years where the opposite of everything has happened
01:04:07but was there a moment that you feared maybe you wouldn't make it?
01:04:14there have been so many moments
01:04:17you tell yourself it can't get any worse
01:04:20while instead there was never an end
01:04:22I didn't think I would survive
01:04:25but when you showed me that scar yesterday
01:04:32Yes
01:04:33and that's when
01:04:38sadomasochistic practices began
01:04:42and they cut me because I
01:04:44I was bleeding
01:04:45and then they beat
01:04:47they beat without stopping
01:04:53and you ask yourself but will I survive
01:04:56and maybe
01:04:58you prayed
01:04:59you asked
01:05:00Not
01:05:00send me back to that man there
01:05:03and Jeffrey answered you
01:05:05it's like this
01:05:06you have to put up with it
01:05:08he was a man without a soul
01:05:09that's why
01:05:10I have to fight
01:05:12it takes a lot of women
01:05:14and men
01:05:15ready to say
01:05:17we cannot accept
01:05:18that this be considered as normal
01:05:21there are many children
01:05:23there are many who are going through what I went through
01:05:27when can I close this story with a smile
01:05:32when was your daughter born
01:05:33everything has changed for you
01:05:35that's where you found the strength to report
01:05:38because then at a certain point this girl
01:05:42has the strength
01:05:43he manages to escape
01:05:45perhaps also because Epstein considered her too old at 19
01:05:49that Epstein only wanted very young girls
01:05:53for a 19 year old she was already too old for him
01:05:55and manages to escape
01:05:58meet a young Italian
01:06:00boy of Italian origins
01:06:02she marries him, runs away and starts her new life
01:06:04but that little girl is your new life
01:06:08and from there you found the courage to speak
01:06:16all three of my children are a new life to me
01:06:20and I looking at my children
01:06:25I think I feel what all other parents feel.
01:06:29and if we don't say something
01:06:31if we don't change the laws
01:06:34if we don't protect our children
01:06:36we really can't continue like this
01:06:40We need to start taking action to protect our children.
01:06:45our children
01:06:46Today she has a foundation that helps victims of abuse.
01:06:49the moment they have courage and speak
01:06:51He doesn't leave them alone, does he?
01:06:54yes, I have a foundation
01:06:59Victims Refuse Silence
01:07:00it's a small foundation
01:07:02the name
01:07:03the victims
01:07:04they refuse silence
01:07:06and my hope is to have
01:07:07a safe place
01:07:09where the victims
01:07:11they can recover
01:07:12where they can come
01:07:13maybe spend a couple of weeks
01:07:16to relax
01:07:17meeting people
01:07:18that can help them
01:07:21let me see from the direction
01:07:23I would like a comment
01:07:24before closing this part
01:07:25and continue with our program
01:07:27I would like to show Asia Argento
01:07:29because this week
01:07:30there was a very important step
01:07:32let's say the popular jury
01:07:34he identified two points
01:07:35which could lead to a conviction
01:07:37from 5 to 20 years old
01:07:38for Weinstein
01:07:39famous film producer
01:07:43all the women in the world of cinema
01:07:45you created me
01:07:46a very important movement
01:07:47here listen to what Asia said
01:07:50because it's a historic moment
01:07:51definitely Weinstein
01:07:53should be convicted
01:07:54listen
01:07:55what Asia said
01:07:56let's start from that rape
01:07:58to that violence
01:07:59because we also remember the years
01:08:01you were 21 years old
01:08:03Yes
01:08:04and I was scammed
01:08:06I was brought
01:08:08from his handyman
01:08:10who later became a producer
01:08:12telling me there was a party
01:08:13I had already shot a film
01:08:15for Miramax
01:08:16which was his production company at the time
01:08:19and when I was brought into this room
01:08:21I was all happy
01:08:22I was saying I'm going to a Hollywood party
01:08:23it was my first film as a lead in English
01:08:26even though I had already worked a lot in Italy
01:08:28Therefore
01:08:29Meaning what
01:08:30when I found myself alone
01:08:32I said
01:08:32with him and this other gentleman
01:08:34I said
01:08:35but what's happening?
01:08:36where are the others?
01:08:37No
01:08:37it arrived too early
01:08:38now they are coming
01:08:39after a while
01:08:40that guy is gone
01:08:41but Weinstein
01:08:42it didn't jump out at me right away
01:08:44he spoke to me first
01:08:45he offered me champagne
01:08:47he asked me about my life
01:08:48of my parents
01:08:49we were talking about Victor Hugo
01:08:50that is, of things
01:08:51that had nothing to do with each other
01:08:53he hadn't even made an attempt to touch me
01:08:57something inappropriate
01:08:58and then he went to the bathroom
01:09:00and he came back with this
01:09:01bathrobe
01:09:02and a cream
01:09:03asking me for a massage
01:09:05and from there?
01:09:07Yes
01:09:07and from there
01:09:08I didn't know what to do
01:09:11but when you say
01:09:13I don't want to
01:09:14return to the episode
01:09:16let's get back to this too
01:09:17let's talk about all sexual assaults
01:09:19that I suffered
01:09:19I don't want to go back over the fact itself
01:09:21from there onwards there is violence
01:09:22No?
01:09:23Yes
01:09:23and you react in a way
01:09:25I told him no
01:09:26I told him no
01:09:27I do not want
01:09:27and he
01:09:28that is, me at the beginning
01:09:29the massage I said
01:09:30alright
01:09:30it was so convincing
01:09:32like all sociopaths
01:09:33he said
01:09:34I really need it
01:09:35of a massage
01:09:36I flew for 15 hours
01:09:38from Miami
01:09:38Please
01:09:39can you give me a massage?
01:09:41I mean, I swear to you
01:09:42I won't touch you
01:09:42I won't do anything to you
01:09:43I need a massage
01:09:44and I at that moment
01:09:45I said okay
01:09:46the tractor is coming
01:09:47that is, it cannot be
01:09:48that this
01:09:49yes it's a request
01:09:50no but
01:09:50but I was saying
01:09:51if he really needs it
01:09:53and instead no
01:09:53the friend jumped on him
01:09:55at that moment
01:09:56when I was
01:09:57starting to massage
01:09:58a little shamefully
01:09:59his shoulders
01:10:01with a little bit of disgust too
01:10:03why do we say
01:10:03she is not a woman
01:10:04this gentleman
01:10:07Ilaria
01:10:07these women
01:10:08that I'm here now
01:10:09they are all women
01:10:10that they told
01:10:11the abuses
01:10:12they fought
01:10:13they reported
01:10:14they gave support
01:10:15to the others
01:10:17a few seconds
01:10:18I would like to understand
01:10:19what was it
01:10:21this revolution
01:10:22what will it also be
01:10:23this hypothetical sentence
01:10:25against Weinstein
01:10:29I hope
01:10:31that this
01:10:32it really helps
01:10:33For
01:10:34to put in place
01:10:36They
01:10:36the powerful
01:10:37those who have
01:10:39the deviations
01:10:40sexual
01:10:40and they think
01:10:41through power
01:10:42to be able to
01:10:45dominate
01:10:46with violence
01:10:47the other women
01:10:48even if it were
01:10:49only
01:10:49with violence
01:10:50of blackmail
01:10:51I don't do it to you
01:10:52work
01:10:52I'll take you away
01:10:54the work
01:10:54because I'm coming back
01:10:56now there's Asia Argento
01:10:57who is an actress
01:10:58famous
01:10:59Daughter
01:11:00of a director
01:11:01very famous
01:11:02of another actress
01:11:03so a girl
01:11:04who also had
01:11:05large vehicles
01:11:06but anyway
01:11:06at that moment
01:11:07era
01:11:09victim of a
01:11:10coercion
01:11:10you're in the house
01:11:11of the producer
01:11:12more powerful
01:11:13of America
01:11:13at that moment
01:11:14you're alone
01:11:15you are with a
01:11:16giant man
01:11:17what comes to you
01:11:18on me
01:11:19it disgusts you
01:11:20maybe you can't
01:11:21to tell him no
01:11:22I don't know if this
01:11:23it's his
01:11:24guilt
01:11:25then after
01:11:26we can talk
01:11:26of everything else
01:11:27what was unleashed
01:11:28around Asia Argento
01:11:29but that's not it
01:11:30the moment
01:11:30thanks Laria
01:11:31I wish you
01:11:32that these men
01:11:33start to get scared
01:11:35Maximum
01:11:35that is, they must be afraid
01:11:37to be placed
01:11:38in their place
01:11:40thanks to the complaints
01:11:41Alessandra Moretti
01:11:42they must be afraid
01:11:43to do this stuff
01:11:44Alessandra
01:11:45and Ritanna
01:11:47please
01:11:47because I have advertising
01:11:48all these women
01:11:50from Me Too
01:11:50If not now, when?
01:11:52women who
01:11:52they find the strength
01:11:54to report
01:11:55but which represent
01:11:57also as if to say
01:11:58a support
01:11:59for other women
01:11:59they determined
01:12:01the change
01:12:02all the changes
01:12:03all the revolutions
01:12:05all positive reforms
01:12:06the positive changes
01:12:08women make them
01:12:10and the women
01:12:11they make them
01:12:12also because they are mothers
01:12:14because they project
01:12:15on their daughters
01:12:16the feeling
01:12:18of a better society
01:12:19of a better life
01:12:20Ritanna Armeni
01:12:22you wrote Mara
01:12:23who was another woman
01:12:24fighter
01:12:25another era
01:12:26although I have
01:12:27worn out
01:12:28during fascism
01:12:29why Mara
01:12:29she's a girl
01:12:30who lived
01:12:30in the twenty years
01:12:31and joined
01:12:32to the regime
01:12:32and yet
01:12:34he didn't give up
01:12:36But I would like to say
01:12:37one thing
01:12:38to Virgine
01:12:39I am very happy
01:12:41of having known her
01:12:42because she has me
01:12:42confirmed
01:12:43a very important thing
01:12:45and that is that
01:12:46all that
01:12:47what happened
01:12:48in these years
01:12:49it served some purpose
01:12:50and the women
01:12:53they have courage
01:12:53they have courage now
01:12:55these women
01:12:56that we saw before
01:12:57really
01:12:57of Hollywood
01:12:58who had it
01:12:59and this in my opinion
01:13:01Alessandra
01:13:01it's a thing
01:13:02very important
01:13:03it's an achievement
01:13:04that by now
01:13:05no one can take it away from us
01:13:06Thank you
01:13:07thanks above all
01:13:08Virginia
01:13:08who has been with us
01:13:10Thank you
01:13:10we don't give up
01:13:11Ilaria D'Amico
01:13:12thank you with all my heart
01:13:13for being with us
01:13:14in this program
01:13:15why have you
01:13:15it's always nice for me
01:13:17Alessandra Moretti
01:13:18fight his
01:13:20in Strasbourg
01:13:20in Brussels
01:13:20we resist
01:13:21we resist
01:13:22we're stopping
01:13:22for a moment
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