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В новом выпуске программы "Звонок", транслируемой из Европейского парламента в Брюсселе, депутаты Европарламента Фабрис Леггери ("Патриоты за Европу") и Юсси Сарамо ("Левые") обсуждают энергетическую стратегию Европы в условиях геополитической напряженности, сотрясающей мировые рынки.
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В новом выпуске программы "Звонок", транслируемой из Европейского парламента в Брюсселе, депутаты Европарламента Фабрис Леггери ("Патриоты за Европу") и Юсси Сарамо ("Левые") обсуждают энергетическую стратегию Европы в условиях геополитической напряженности, сотрясающей мировые рынки.
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01:52Юси Садамо...
01:53A Finnish MEP from the Left Group...
01:56He has been a member of the European Parliament since 2024...
01:59And previously served in the Finnish Parliament for the Left Alliance...
02:03Briefly holding the position of Minister of Education in the government of Sanamarin...
02:08As an MEP, he focuses on economic issues...
02:11And he is the coordinator of the Left Group in the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs...
02:15And the Subcommittee on Tax Matters...
02:17On the escalation in the Middle East, he said...
02:20Trump's war increases the cost of transportation and heating homes...
02:24At a time when many Europeans are already suffering the consequences of Putin's war...
02:29Those who oppose the green transition are impoverished in Europe...
02:32Putin is grateful when oil money flows into his war chest...
02:37Fabrice Legéry, a French MEP from the Patriots for Europe Group...
02:41He has been a member of the European Parliament since 2024...
02:45Before entering politics, he served as executive director of the EU's border agency, Frontex...
02:51In the context of the war in Iran, he said...
02:54Our ideological choices have led us to weaken our sovereignty...
02:57By replacing one dependency with another...
03:00Europe must break away from this logic of dependency...
03:03By massively reinvesting in its own capacities...
03:06Particularly nuclear energy...
03:08Refusing any pragmatic solution...
03:10Including the temporary use of certain existing sources...
03:13Would amount to placing a lasting burden on Europeans...
03:17You see Sadamor, Yves and Fabrice Legéry...
03:20Welcome to The Ring!
03:22Thank you.
03:23So first question...
03:24Even if a ceasefire were agreed today to stop the war in the Middle East...
03:28Is Europe still heading towards an energy crisis?
03:31Well, I think that on the long term...
03:32We need to secure Europe's energy supply...
03:36And we need to make sure that the European Union, European member states...
03:40Are not dependent on any superpower.
03:43And do you see an immediate crisis though?
03:45I think this is something that we agree on.
03:48Europe has had an energy crisis going on for a very long time...
03:51And it's just plain stupid...
03:52Even if at good times...
03:54We are pouring money to Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran...
03:57And it has a geopolitical level that we should get rid of.
04:01Well, our viewers are sitting at home extremely concerned this week.
04:04If you look at countries like Germany as well...
04:06Where fuel prices have gone up by 5% in recent weeks...
04:10That's well above the EU average.
04:12They're looking for measures, perhaps EU measures.
04:14We understand in Germany they're introducing a potential daily price cap.
04:18But is this time for the European Union now to intervene?
04:21Well, from my perspective...
04:23We should make sure that oil is not...
04:26That taxes on oil are not too high.
04:28And this is the first measure that should be decided at the national level.
04:32Germany should have been doing a lot of stuff already years ago.
04:36So they are already too late.
04:38I'm very happy that we are doing the green transition in the European Union.
04:42The problem is that in this house, in the council between the member countries...
04:46There are a lot of political parties that don't want it.
04:50And the more we delay it, the bigger the trouble we have.
04:54And of course, in the Netherlands, Dutch drivers are currently paying the highest for their petrol...
04:59Around 2.17 per litre. That's huge.
05:01It's huge for every European driver.
05:06It's huge also for European companies.
05:08And who is to blame for this?
05:09Well, the situation is that there was an ideology in the European Union driven by the European Commission.
05:16So you're blaming the European Commission for the current crisis that people are having when they go to town?
05:20The fact that we have an increase in price is that, in fact, the European Union is dependent on both.
05:29Now we are dependent on the liquefied natural gas.
05:34So we are dependent on the US.
05:36We stop the dependency or reduce the dependency on Russia.
05:40But we don't have an alternative.
05:42And we should invest more in European capacities.
05:45That's, of course, the internal debate going on right now here.
05:48Would you agree with what he just said?
05:49That Brussels is to blame here?
05:50No, actually.
05:51I think it's the member states to blame.
05:53And we have European problems.
05:55Let's say the grids.
05:56Like in France, we have a lot of nuclear power.
06:00In Germany, they have totally different energy mix.
06:03Actually, a very problematic energy mix because they were so dependent on Russia.
06:07But now we don't have good grids to transfer the energy in Europe.
06:12And that's one of the reasons that we could have cheaper energy almost everywhere if the grids would work.
06:17But, of course, always there are some countries that would win more and some countries could even lose.
06:22And that's why we don't have yet European solutions.
06:25And we're always hearing about this term of energy union.
06:28But, of course, we're very far from that.
06:29Yeah, we are far from that.
06:30We have to blame the German policy in the past years because it was driven by a green agenda banning
06:38or shutting down nuclear plants in Germany.
06:43And as a consequence, Germany had no alternative when the Russian aggression against Ukraine started.
06:51I'm not sure how green agenda it was because they were dependent on Russian fossils.
06:55And actually, so it's true that if you have already working nuclear power plant that could be used, like it
07:01still has a life.
07:03It's a bit stupid to stop it, but it's only a very small part of the problem.
07:09So are you in favor of nuclear?
07:10Was it a mistake for countries to start closing their nuclear plants?
07:13Well, I think if you have an old nuclear power plant that is working well, that it's safe in this
07:19kind of situation where we are having the transformation, we should make the green transition more quicker.
07:24Then it is not wise to shut it down.
07:27But thinking about building new nuclear power plants.
07:29Actually, we were building a French nuclear power plant to Finland.
07:32And it's one of the most expensive buildings in the world.
07:36Like it took so long to build the same problems everywhere in the world.
07:41It's so slow, so expensive.
07:43If we want to answer to people's problems today, this decade, we need to build renewables, not a nuclear power
07:53plant.
07:53Renewables.
07:53Public opinion, Fabrice, is divided when it comes to nuclear.
07:56In countries like Austria, they've had a referendum in the past saying they never want nuclear.
08:00Well, but public opinion are also concerned when the price of energy is so high.
08:05So they also have to be informed about the consequence of not being independent.
08:11And my concern is that Europe or European countries are not self-standing.
08:18They are dependent on other sources, on other third countries.
08:23And on that dependency, we saw Antonio Costa spend some of his week, of course, in Azerbaijan.
08:28This is the EU's plan to diversify their energy dependence.
08:30Is this a good idea?
08:31Do you support the fact that he's spending time and working with Azerbaijan?
08:35We can always find a new authoritarian dictatorship, new area where we can buy the oil.
08:40But the problem is the market.
08:42Like now, if we don't buy the Russian fossils, somebody else will do.
08:46So actually, the more we buy fossils, the bigger the problem is no matter if we are responsible.
08:52And actually, I don't think that Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, even the United States are countries that we want
09:00to pour our money into.
09:02Why don't we keep our money here in Europe and let's make more green energy?
09:06But in the interim, what do we do? Because it takes time.
09:09Well, actually, it's very quick.
09:10The renewables are so much better than nuclear when we speak about the time, how quickly we can build it.
09:17As I told you, we are too late, but it's a good time to start a very big time.
09:24And speaking of time, it's interesting what China has been doing.
09:26Massive energy stockpiles, aggressively building them over the last couple of years to protect themselves from oil shocks and geopolitical
09:34tensions.
09:34Can the EU ever catch up, Fabrice, with China?
09:37Well, I'm afraid that the policy driven by the European Commission put us in the hands of China.
09:46Look at the solar panels, for example.
09:48The solar panel industry has been completely destroyed in Europe.
09:51That's a pity.
09:52So I can agree that to a certain extent, we need to diversify the energy mix in Europe.
09:59But why don't we have in Europe our own solar panels?
10:05I think solar panels is something that we were the best in the world and we are not anymore.
10:11Like the Chinese, they are building it so cheap, so quickly.
10:15Actually, at the moment, we should not try to win the competition on solar panels, but many other issues.
10:21Like now, we are fighting about electric cars.
10:24And this is a competition we cannot lose, this competition.
10:27China, it's actually, it's a fierce capitalist competition inside China, but outside they are dumping prices.
10:35Actually, both China and US, they are very much taking care of their own benefit.
10:39And in the European Union, we have been living on this neoliberal dream that there is a free market that
10:43will solve all the problems.
10:45And this is the main problem.
10:46But I don't think that it's only the Commission or the European Union to blame.
10:49I think, again, it's the member states that have been building the system together, of course, with the European Union.
10:55That's the view from the MEPs we'd like to hear as well.
10:57Who do you think is to blame?
10:59You can always write to us at the ring at yournews.com.
11:01But, gentlemen, I want to stop you there as we're just getting into it.
11:08So now it's time to give our viewers a real insight into the European Parliament chamber, where MEPs address questions
11:14to each other.
11:16That means that our MEPs can directly challenge each other, just like you do inside the hemicycle.
11:21And I know you sit on other sides of the hemicycle, so you don't know each other.
11:24So I'm glad that you're meeting here on the ring.
11:26Yussi Sadamo, the floor is yours.
11:28Look, I would like to ask you, you have been voting against the proposal to face out Russian gas imports.
11:37And we know that Russia is having a war in Europe, attacking us, and we are using a lot of
11:41money to secure ourselves from Russia.
11:44So how good idea is to support Putin's war chest?
11:48Well, Russia aggressed Ukraine, and there's no question about that.
11:55The question is about the impact of sanctions on European citizens and European companies.
12:03And we do see hypocrisy because, for example, there are sanctions.
12:09But nevertheless, President Macron didn't stop importing Russian liquefied natural gas.
12:15So we think that we should avoid this hypocrisy, and we should just make sure that we secure our own
12:27needs.
12:28Very briefly, are you satisfied with that answer?
12:30Well, not actually, because I agree that there is hypocrisy in Europe.
12:35But it's not a reason to support Putin's war.
12:38If somebody else is hypocrite, why should we keep supporting the war?
12:43No, we don't support Russian war.
12:46As this was just said, there is India, for example, helping, well, circumventing EU sanctions.
12:56Even President Trump was hesitating about, well, sanctions against Russia.
13:03So the European Union should wake up and look at its own interests and the interests of its own companies,
13:11its own consumers.
13:12And from my perspective, we should, let's say, not shift from, one, dependency on Russian oil to dependency on American
13:21liquefied gas or any other source.
13:24Fabrice, it's time for you now to address your first question.
13:27Well, what do you think about the success or the shortage of the green policy that has been implemented in
13:38the European Union?
13:40Well, it depends very much which country you talk about.
13:43I'm coming from Finland and we have the cheapest or the second cheapest electricity in Europe.
13:48And we have been implementing the green transition very well.
13:51We have nuclear power, old nuclear power.
13:55And actually, the Finnish government was dreaming and they were already having a contract to build more Russian nuclear power,
14:02which we were against because, and we were called Russophobes by the right wing.
14:07But like when we talk about the energy pallet, it should be brought.
14:11So we need the renewables.
14:13We need nuclear if you still have it.
14:16But I think it's something that always should be discussed by a very coherent way and not just like nuclear
14:25power itself.
14:26It's not the solution or wind is not a solution.
14:30Solar is not a solution.
14:31We need all of them.
14:32What about the sanctions?
14:34Because we've just mentioned the sanctions against Russia.
14:37Coming from Finland, of course, you are really aware of the Russian threat.
14:42So how do you assess the policy followed by other member states, just as Germany or other big countries,
14:51when they decided in a very ideologic way to impose sanctions without having any kind of assessment on the internal
15:02consequence?
15:02Brief answer.
15:03Finnish economy is very bad at the moment.
15:06And one reason is, of course, this war.
15:08And sanctions don't help our economy.
15:11That's clear.
15:12But I would say that the Finnish people, a very broad majority of us, support the sanctions.
15:17Because we see that Russia has been doing not only in Ukraine, in Moldova, in Georgia,
15:22everywhere where they find weaknesses with their neighbors, they have been very aggressive and having wars.
15:28And we know that we cannot tell Putin that it's OK to do what he's doing.
15:32So I think the Finnish people are not happy with the sanctions, but they see it as a minor threat.
15:38OK, you'll see time for your next question.
15:39When you are against the Green Deal and you know that nuclear power is so slow to build and you
15:44are giving that an answer,
15:45what do you promise for the people between this?
15:48Well, in fact, we promise that we will avoid any kind of ideological decision.
15:56And there is too much ideology in Brussels.
15:59And the Green Agenda driven by the European Commission, driven by the German Greens, in fact, has led the European
16:08Union and the EU member states to a really difficult situation that we realized when the Russian aggression started against
16:18Ukraine.
16:19And overnight, we had to impose sanctions on Russia. That's fine.
16:25But we had no alternative and we had to shift our dependency to the United States.
16:31Of course, it's also worth pointing out to our viewers that the Green Agenda has slightly shifted now to the
16:34clean industrial agenda.
16:36And this whole idea of the Green Deal is barely mentioned now with the new tone inside the European Commission.
16:40But we've heard from you. We've heard from the MEPs. And I'd like now to bring in a new voice
16:44here.
16:48I'd like to bring in the voice of President Volodymyr Zelensky speaking at a press conference alongside the French President
16:54Emmanuel Macron in Paris.
16:56He said, I believe that lifting sanctions will in any case lead to a strengthening of Russia's position.
17:02It spends the money from energy sales on weapons and all of this is then used against us.
17:08And of course, you must have seen this week that due to the crisis in the Middle East,
17:11President Donald Trump has eased sanctions on all countries buying Russian oil for one month.
17:16And President Zelensky clearly not impressed with this decision.
17:19What is your view here?
17:20In fact, we we see that there is hypocrisy and it's always the same pattern that the European Union.
17:28What's your view on what President Trump has done?
17:30What President Trump is doing?
17:32Well, the crisis in the Middle East is much broader.
17:37There are there is geopolitics.
17:39There is Iran being a threat to its own people because we should not forget.
17:45So do you support what he's done?
17:47I'm saying that we will not regret if the the Islamist regime in Tehran collapses.
17:54We will not regret that regime.
17:56And we should also take into account that the nuclear threat represented potentially by Iran is huge for the region
18:04there,
18:04for Arab countries neighboring Iran, for Israel and for a part of Europe.
18:09OK, let's bring in the view of Yossi Sadamo on this point.
18:11Well, it's clear that Iran is a horrible, theocratic regime for its people.
18:17And these brave people, thousands of them have lost their lives fighting against the regime.
18:22So, of course, I want to support the Iranese people to fight for their liberty.
18:25But then when we talk about what Trump is doing, actually, I think Trump, Netanyahu, Putin, even the Iranian regime,
18:34it's the same.
18:35It's like the autocratic men, very extreme right regimes that you are using the religion as an example are committing
18:44war crimes, are against equality and human rights.
18:48And they are all trying to break the international law and justice.
18:54So, what should the European Union be doing here to try and stop this war?
18:57There's a difference between an Iranian regime, which is a terrorist threat, sponsoring terrorism all around the globe,
19:05and democracies in the United States, in Israel and, of course, in Europe.
19:12You know, I just wanted to add that bombing schools doesn't help the Iranian people on their fight.
19:17Actually, it makes the regime even more legitimate on the eyes of many.
19:22And now what we are doing is that we should call the Trump's bluff.
19:26Because his hand, you know, no matter if you talk about NATO, taxation, tariffs, climate change, whatever we talk, he's
19:33blackmailing us.
19:34And the European leaders always, in the end, they say, OK, do whatever, and they're even supporting it, even in
19:41Iran.
19:42And, of course, Donald Trump was the elephant in the room of that EU summit that took place here in
19:45Brussels this week.
19:46But let's just take a short break here on The Ring.
19:49But stay with us, because we'll be back very soon here with some more political punch.
20:01Welcome back to The Ring, your news's weekly debating show.
20:05I'm joined by MEPs Fabrice Legeri and Yusuf Saramo.
20:08And the idea here is to bring the European Parliament debates to your very sofa.
20:13This week, we're focusing on how the war in Iran is affecting European consumers.
20:17As global energy markets react to disruptions around the Strait of Hormuz, trade flows are shifting in very unexpected ways.
20:24The US President Donald Trump has expanded a temporary sanctions waiver, allowing countries to purchase Russian oil.
20:30But who are the top buyers of Russian oil?
20:33That is what we're taking a look at.
20:35India, with about 40%.
20:37China, with about 30%.
20:39And then Turkey, with 10% of the Russian seaborne crude.
20:43Sanctions, of course, have been a big part of the EU policies against Russia since the invasion.
20:48But the question is, of course, is Russia actually feeling it?
20:51Gentlemen, a reaction there to that data. Fabrice?
20:53Well, I'm not surprised by the figures.
20:55In order to make EU sanctions really effective, we should have coordinated our measures with other big players in the
21:04world.
21:04Is Vladimir Putin the big winner of this war?
21:07Definitely.
21:09The sanctions, even they haven't been working as well as we have been hoping.
21:13But the sanctions have been working on one issue that the price that Russia has been getting has been very
21:19low.
21:20And now, after Trump's maneuvers, the prices are going up, what Putin is getting, and that's very bad for us.
21:28It's very bad for everyone.
21:29But now that the European Union has just this year signed a historic trade deal with India, does Brussels have
21:34more leverage now, perhaps, with counterparts there?
21:36Well, the problem is that President von der Leyen, President of the Commission, behaves as she had the power to
21:45be a big player.
21:46She compares herself with Donald Trump, with Chinese leadership and so on.
21:51But in fact, she has just weakened, in fact, the position of the European Union.
21:58Would you agree with what Fabrice has just said?
22:00Well, I agree maybe with some slightly different reasons, but it's true.
22:03I said that we should call the Trump's bluff.
22:06And actually, he doesn't have a good hand of cards on his hand at what he's blaming.
22:13The US is a superpower, thanks to Europe.
22:16And if we say no, it's true, if von der Leyen says no to Trump when he's blackmailing us, Trump
22:22doesn't care.
22:22But the markets, they care. And always, men, the markets go down.
22:26If Trump says, OK, let's put 80% of the tariffs, let's put it. In the end, it will be
22:31bad for us, but it will be very bad for the United States.
22:34And after that, Trump has to listen to us. But this is the weakness. But it's not only von der
22:39Leyen.
22:39It's Mertz. It's the whole EPP, this group that is leading the European Union, that it's very weak and they
22:44should find their spine.
22:46We need to be tough players. And I think that if they are bargaining...
22:52But Ursula von der Leyen is trying to be tough. But when she's tough, you say she's overstepping her line.
22:56She is not, because she doesn't have a mandate to do so.
23:00So will the EU only work if we have a proper government structure with an elected president and proper ministers
23:05instead of 27 commissioners?
23:07Well, this is a very big discussion. But actually, I agree that we should, like, we have now Orbán, we
23:14have Fitcher, we have the fifth column inside the European Union.
23:17Some are playing for Trump. Some are playing for Putin. And it's one of the reasons why Europe is weak,
23:24that we are so divided.
23:25And, of course, you mentioned two very important leaders of Hungary and Slovakia, who, of course, are still very much
23:30reliant on Russian oil.
23:31That's why we've seen as well. And we've been reporting about for weeks here about that Drozba pipeline, the big
23:36splash between Ukraine and Hungary.
23:38Orbán's party, Fidesz, it's your biggest ally here in Brussels. Why aren't you pushing them to work for Europe and
23:48not for MAGA, not for Trump and Putin?
23:50Well, in the Patriots group, we have 12 nationalities and the French members represent the biggest part of the country.
23:59Yeah, the same question.
24:00But on Orbán, we say that, of course, when it comes to this issue about the pipeline, this shows that
24:09Europe is still dependent and there is no alternative for Hungary to import energy.
24:17So, we consider that this is a national issue in our group. We consider that international relations and foreign affairs
24:27is a sovereign national issue.
24:29But is it enough to hijack, then, the €90 billion loan for Ukraine?
24:33Well, we are against this loan because it's not, in our views, in the long-term interests of European citizens.
24:40Because that means that the European Union now is developing huge debts. And coming from France, I can see what
24:49President Macron did.
24:50So, he increased French debts by 50% in the past 10 years. And we see a pattern now that
24:59President Macron has convinced, obviously,
25:01the European Commission and the Germans to develop also debts at the European Union level.
25:07So, that's our concern. It's not about Russia or Ukraine. It's about our own interest.
25:12I think it's all about Ukraine. If they cannot defend themselves, if they cannot feed their people, they will collapse.
25:18And that will be not just terrible for all the Ukrainians, but it will be terrible for the whole Europe.
25:24And we are always cleaning the mess that the US is doing in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, wherever.
25:31However, this is something that we don't have to touch. Maybe we cannot stop them killing people.
25:35We cannot stop Netanyahu making genocide. But we should not support them.
25:39But when we are in Europe, we have to do all we can to prevent this kind of dominoes that
25:48Russia is having all their borders.
25:49But on that point, we can move on now to our fifth and final round. Are you all set?
25:55Ready.
25:56Ready.
26:00To finalize now, it is time for something a little bit different.
26:02I'm going to be asking our MEPs a set of questions, and you can only answer with yes or no.
26:08Is that doable?
26:09Yes, I hope so.
26:10Should nuclear energy be classified as green?
26:14Yes.
26:19This is complicated, but let's say yes.
26:24Should all EU countries be investing in nuclear?
26:27Yes.
26:28No.
26:29Should EU funding be helping support nuclear energy?
26:32Yes.
26:33No.
26:34Is hydrogen energy a good solution? Yes or no?
26:38No.
26:39Yes or no?
26:40Usually, yes.
26:42Should the EU ban fossil fuel use by 2040? Yes or no?
26:46No.
26:47Yes.
26:48Should natural gas still be used as a transition fuel? Yes or no?
26:53A small part, yes.
26:54What about you? Yes or no?
26:56Yes.
26:56Are EU-US ties in ruins? Yes or no?
26:59They should be. They are. Yes.
27:03What about you? Yes or no?
27:04No.
27:05And final question for you both?
27:06Will this crisis slow down the green transition?
27:10Should not.
27:11But it looks like we have responsible politicians, so yes.
27:16What about you? Yes.
27:17Yes.
27:17Or no?
27:18Well, that final answer does bring this edition of The Ring to an end.
27:22Thank you so much, Fabrice Legeri and Yussi Sadamo for being our guests.
27:25It's been great to hear your views and your insights.
27:28But of course, what about you?
27:29Let us know what you think about what we've been discussing.
27:32You can write to us at The Ring at Euronews.com
27:35and tell us how you feel about the current energy crisis and the role of the European Union here.
27:39Take care and see you soon on Euronews.
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