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05:24Почему вы поддерживаете это сейчас и почему это так важно для вас?
05:29Это не даже важно для меня, но важно для всех, которые живут в Европе,
05:35потому что, чтобы выразить это очень простыми словами,
05:38что раньше войны и в начале войны, Россия имела меньше мужчин под армией, чем сейчас.
05:45Поэтому мы имеем больше мужчин под армией сейчас, чем в начале войны.
05:49И мы думаем, что война будет остановиться, что война будет остановиться,
05:55что война будет остановиться, но, возможно, просто не проживая война.
05:59Хорошо, но что эти люди делать?
06:02Многие из них будут криминалы, но они должны быть херосами в России.
06:07Поэтому, опять же, я бы спросил всем, что вы хотите эти мужчины близко к вашему?
06:11Нет, вы не.
06:12Поэтому вы должны убрать их для жизни от Сенгена.
06:16Идеально, вы думаете, что это может происходить в этом году?
06:19Или вы думаете, что это нужно больше времени?
06:21Идеально.
06:22Это может происходить в начале войны, но это идеально.
06:27Я имею в виду, что мы уже поговорим о этом в начале,
06:32но я не знаю, что достаточно решения будет выполнены в начале.
06:36Но я надеюсь, что.
06:37Отличный вопрос в этом информальном сфере
06:40является мутерного ассистента.
06:41Мы знаем, что европейские татарские татарты
06:43имеют артикл о мутерном ассистенте 42.7.
06:46Это не было исследовано до сегодня,
06:48но мы также знаем, что многие member states, как ваш,
06:51также частью NATO,
06:52которая имеет артикл 5 о коллективной дефессе.
06:55Вы видите ли возможность контракт между этими двух артиклами,
06:58или они могут быть коэффицированы?
07:00Они могут быть коэффицированы,
07:01и они могут быть коэффицированы,
07:01потому что, например,
07:02НАТО артикл 5 о коллективной дефессии
07:08и Европейский артикл 42.7
07:12тоже о коллективной дефессии
07:14и Франции.
07:14Поэтому вопрос о требованиях
07:19и они могут быть коэффицированы,
07:20я бы сказал,
07:21потому что, обычно,
07:24что мы делаем,
07:26потому что нужны определенные ассистенты,
07:28нужны ваши ассистенты,
07:29чтобы действовать с вами.
07:31Я бы сказал, что это работает хорошо,
07:33но мы также должны поговорить о способах европейских способностей,
07:36потому что, как мы видим,
07:38президент Трумп'а message
07:39тоже является,
07:40что Европа должна быть более дефессией
07:42на свою дефессию.
07:44Трумп также угрожает
07:46уничтожение США от НАТО.
07:48Он сказал это несколько раз.
07:49Мы не знаем, что будет происходить,
07:51но вы думаете,
07:52что потому что эти ассистенты,
07:53которые он делает так публично,
07:55в цене от Артикл 5
07:57уничтожили,
07:58что это уже не так мощно?
08:02Я бы сказал, что нет.
08:03Нет, потому что,
08:05потому что,
08:06когда мы были русские ассистенты
08:08в нашу ассистенте,
08:09немного позже,
08:10когда русские ассистенты
08:12были в полной ассистенте,
08:14которые были подниманы
08:14на первое время в НАТО истории,
08:16в то время.
08:17В то время
08:18уничтожили,
08:19что уничтожили,
08:19что Америка
08:21проживает
08:23полной ассистенте
08:23и так далее.
08:24Я бы сказал,
08:25что уничтожили,
08:27что НАТО работает,
08:28и также в Хае.
08:29Уничтожили
08:30на Суме,
08:31и уничтожили,
08:32что если Европа
08:33подняет,
08:35он будет
08:37снародным
08:37на НАТО.
08:38Да, я понимаю,
08:39что уничтожили,
08:39что уничтожили,
08:41но
08:43милитория
08:44работает абсолютно хорошо.
08:49Эстония
08:50Приминстер
08:50Крестан Михайл
08:51speaking
08:51to our
08:52корреспондент
08:53Jorge Liborero,
08:54и мы,
08:54of course,
08:55keep an eye out
08:55for Jorge's
08:56reporting
08:57throughout the day
08:58from those talks
08:58in Cyprus.
09:00Now,
09:00when he was
09:01president
09:02of the European Council,
09:03Шаг Мишель
09:04had a notoriously
09:06strained relationship
09:07with commission
09:08president
09:09Ursula von der Leyen.
09:10Those tensions
09:11have resurfaced
09:12in recent weeks.
09:14Our irreparator
09:15Maria Tadeo
09:16caught up
09:16with Michel
09:17earlier today
09:18at the Delphi
09:19Economic Forum.
09:20She began
09:21by asking him
09:22about von der Leyen's
09:23leadership style,
09:24often described
09:25as highly centralised,
09:27and whether sufficient
09:28checks and balances
09:30exist
09:31to keep that approach
09:32in check.
09:34All of us
09:35know what we have to do,
09:36but I'm observing
09:37that it seems
09:38that it's difficult
09:39to make decisions
09:40that are urgent
09:41and that are needed.
09:43I trust the European Council.
09:45I think that by nature
09:46the European Council
09:48is the right body
09:49to decide
09:50what are the main
09:51orientations
09:52and also to make
09:53the most difficult decision
09:54because,
09:55you know,
09:56the European Council
09:58is the guardian
09:58of the European unity,
10:00and this European unity
10:01is something
10:02that's not easy
10:03to achieve.
10:03It requires a lot
10:04of work,
10:05a lot of preparation,
10:06it requires a lot
10:07of collective intelligence,
10:09it requires to listen
10:10to each other,
10:12and I'm confident
10:13that sooner or later
10:14the European Council
10:15will make additional
10:17decisions
10:17to clarify
10:19some of the orientations
10:20that we have to decide
10:22on in the near future.
10:23Do you,
10:24are we to understand therefore
10:25that the Council's stance
10:27it should be stronger,
10:28it should have a louder
10:30voice?
10:30It's not a struggle
10:31to achieve this message now.
10:33You know,
10:33in my opinion
10:34it's not a question
10:36of voice,
10:36it's a question
10:37of decisions
10:37that have to be made.
10:39And what is a bit frustrating
10:40for all those
10:41like me
10:42who are absolutely
10:43convinced that this project
10:44is more needed
10:45than ever,
10:45the European project,
10:46the European dream,
10:47the European principles,
10:49the European values,
10:50the European existence.
10:51And what is frustrating
10:52is the fact that
10:53all of us,
10:54we know what we have to do,
10:55we know exactly
10:56what we have to do.
10:57Everything is on the table.
10:58And I observe
10:59that there are always
11:00good reasons
11:00to procrastinate.
11:01There are always
11:02good reasons
11:02to waste time.
11:05And that's regrettable.
11:06And again,
11:09I don't want
11:10to blame anyone
11:11in particular.
11:12Let's be clear.
11:13That's not my point.
11:14When I want to blame someone,
11:15I'm very clear.
11:16You know me.
11:17Here, that's not my point.
11:18My point is,
11:19let's look at the future.
11:20And we have tools,
11:23we have capacities,
11:24we have capabilities,
11:25we have great companies,
11:26we have great structures,
11:29we have a lot of strength
11:30within the EU.
11:31And there is a crisis,
11:32there is chaos across the world.
11:35And by experience,
11:36we know when it's difficult
11:37in the world,
11:38in general,
11:39the EU is able
11:40to learn lessons fast.
11:43Let's act faster
11:44and let's learn our lessons.
11:46Some would argue
11:47the weakness
11:48at times of the Council
11:49goes back to the idea
11:50of unanimity.
11:52And that has been dragging
11:53the action
11:54and certainly the peace
11:55and the speed around it.
11:56Viktor Orban,
11:57obviously,
11:58has been crushed
11:58in a defeat.
11:59Viktor Orban now
12:00is gone from the Council.
12:02Is that going to make
12:03things better?
12:04Or actually,
12:04would you argue
12:05the dynamics are more profound?
12:06Even with the Hungarian
12:07Prime Minister gone,
12:09this issue will remain.
12:10I hope
12:11that it will help
12:13the European Council
12:14to be more united
12:15in the future.
12:16Are you relieved
12:17that Viktor Orban lost?
12:18I wouldn't say that.
12:19Because I will tell you
12:20why.
12:20Because I think
12:21that based on the experience
12:24I have on some topics,
12:25some in the European Council
12:27were hiding behind
12:29Viktor Orban,
12:31point one.
12:31And point two,
12:32in some of the European countries
12:33you can have tomorrow
12:35some national leaders
12:38won so far
12:39from Viktor Orban's ideology
12:41on some topics
12:42including on Ukraine,
12:43for instance,
12:44point one.
12:44Point two,
12:44does it mean
12:45that unanimity
12:46is a problem?
12:48For sure
12:48unanimity is a challenge,
12:50there is no doubt.
12:50But I think
12:51you should think carefully
12:53before making
12:54a decision
12:54to not use unanimity
12:57anymore.
12:57Because if you stop
12:59to try
13:01to involve
13:02every country
13:03in a decision
13:03the risk
13:05is that you will
13:05weaken
13:06the weight
13:08of the EU
13:09at the international level.
13:10and that's why
13:12I think
13:12the priority
13:13should be different.
13:14In my opinion
13:14we should fight
13:16against the abuse
13:17of this veto right.
13:18Because if you
13:19follow the philosophy
13:21and the principle
13:22of the Lisbon Treaty
13:22the idea
13:24was really
13:24that the veto right
13:25was supposed to be
13:27used when
13:27your vital interests
13:29are at risk.
13:30And the problem
13:31is that today
13:31too many countries
13:33are tempted
13:33too many times
13:34to use this veto right
13:36as a kind of tool
13:38to blackmail
13:39and to get something
13:39in the other side.
13:40That's the problem,
13:41the one I think.
13:42It seems to me,
13:43however,
13:43listening to the leaders
13:44just finally on this point
13:45that they would agree
13:45enlargement needs to happen
13:46as soon as possible
13:48and complete the union.
13:49But they would also say
13:50we need to reform
13:51and there's no fast track
13:52for Ukraine.
13:53Are those three statements
13:54compatible?
13:56Yeah, but what you
13:57mentioned is this
13:58agreed language,
13:59no fast track, etc.
14:01When we
14:02want to do something
14:04but in parallel
14:05we add a sentence
14:08so it is in fact
14:10more difficult
14:10to get the result.
14:14Let's be clear.
14:16There is no doubt
14:17that in those countries
14:19they have to do
14:20their homework
14:20and they know
14:21what they have to do.
14:22They have to put in place
14:23a reform,
14:24they have to guarantee
14:25independence of justice
14:26to fight against corruption,
14:27etc.
14:28Point one.
14:29On the other hand,
14:30let's be honest,
14:31in some of the European
14:32countries
14:33it was uncomfortable
14:34to use the argument
14:36of those countries
14:38not acting as fast as needed
14:43because there is
14:44in some European countries
14:46a difficult political debate
14:48with this
14:48enlargement policy.
14:49And I feel that in those
14:50circumstances
14:51we could all win
14:54if we tell the truth
14:55to our people
14:56everywhere in Europe.
14:59the future will be
15:00more stable,
15:01more secure
15:02with them
15:02within the EU.
15:04And of course,
15:04there are some efforts
15:05that are needed
15:08in terms of
15:09domestic reforms
15:10and in terms
15:11of what kind
15:13of policy
15:14we put in place.
15:16that was the former
15:18president of the European
15:19Council,
15:20Charles Michel,
15:21speaking to our Europe
15:22editor,
15:23Maria Tadeo.
15:24Now, the FIFA
15:25Football World Cup
15:27is just around the corner,
15:28happening this summer,
15:29of course,
15:30in the US,
15:31Canada,
15:31and Mexico,
15:33and it's becoming
15:34deeply intertwined
15:35with global politics.
15:37The Trump administration
15:38is reportedly working
15:40behind the scenes
15:41to replace Iran,
15:42which did qualify
15:44for the tournament
15:45with Italy,
15:46which painfully
15:47lost in the playoffs
15:48to Bosnia
15:49and Herzegovina,
15:50missing out on a spot
15:52in the World Cup
15:52for a third consecutive time.
15:55For more,
15:56our Jakob Yanis
15:57has this explainer.
16:01Could the 2026 World Cup
16:03see a team that failed
16:04to qualify
16:05take to the pitch?
16:06A plan is brewing
16:08in Washington
16:08to give Italy
16:09a wildcard entry
16:10by replacing Iran.
16:11Paolo Zampolli,
16:13a special envoy
16:14to President Trump,
16:15confirmed
16:16he has pitched the swap
16:17to both the White House
16:18and FIFA President
16:19Gianni Infantino.
16:21But wait a second,
16:22is this game-changer
16:23even in the rulebook?
16:26The Financial Times reports
16:28this is an attempt
16:29to repair ties
16:30between Trump
16:31and Italy's
16:32Giorgia Meloni
16:32after the Republic's
16:33spot over the Iran War
16:35and the Pope.
16:36And Zampolli argues
16:37Italy four world titles
16:39offered the pedigree
16:40to join the 2026 tournament
16:42hosted across the US,
16:44Mexico and Canada.
16:46All right,
16:46but how is it legal?
16:48Article 6 of the World Cup
16:50regulations
16:50gives FIFA
16:51sole discretion
16:53to replace any team
16:54that withdraws
16:55or is excluded.
16:57And while Iran
16:58insists they plan
16:59to participate,
17:00FIFA has already
17:01set a precedent.
17:02just last summer,
17:04they used the same powers
17:06to hand a spot
17:07at the club
17:08World Cup
17:08to Inter Miami
17:09enabling
17:11Lionel Messi
17:11to play.
17:13But football
17:14is not the only arena
17:15where the guest list
17:15is being rewritten.
17:17This February,
17:18Russia and Belarus
17:19were bards
17:20from flying their flags
17:21at the Milano-Kortina
17:222026 Winter Olympics
17:23in response
17:24to the full-scale
17:25invasion of Ukraine.
17:27Yet,
17:28when the Paralympics,
17:29which are governed
17:30by a different body
17:31than the Olympics,
17:32allowed these symbols
17:33back after a Swiss court ruling,
17:35the European Commission
17:36boycotted the opening ceremony.
17:38Sport Commissioner
17:39Glenn Mikalev
17:40called the return
17:41of the national banners
17:42unacceptable
17:42while Russia's war
17:44of aggression
17:44against Ukraine continues.
17:46So,
17:47if Italy does make it
17:48to Los Angeles
17:49this June,
17:50it could be
17:51the most historic wildcard
17:52in the history
17:53of the sport.
17:54They just have to hope
17:55their diplomatic pedigree
17:56is as strong
17:57as their footballing one.
17:59Especially after
18:00the brutal defeat
18:01to Bosnia and Herzegovina
18:02in the qualifying
18:03playoff final.
18:09And that brings
18:10this edition
18:11of Europe Today
18:12to an end.
18:13Thank you so much
18:14for your company today
18:15and throughout this week.
18:17We will be bringing
18:18the latest from
18:19that meeting
18:20of EU leaders
18:21taking place
18:22right now in Cyprus.
18:23Our correspondent
18:24Jorge Liborero
18:25is there on the ground.
18:27Keep an eye out
18:28for his reporting
18:29throughout the day
18:29on Euronews
18:30and Euronews.com.
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18:41We'll be back
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18:43and more analysis
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18:48In the meantime,
18:49do have a great weekend.
18:50a great weekend.
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