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Энергокризис в Европе: комиссар ЕС по климату объясняет, как действовать решительнее

Единственный выход из энергетических кризисов, подпитываемых войнами в Иране и Украине, — развитие собственной энергетики, заявил Euronews еврокомиссар по вопросам климата Вопке Хукстра. «Мы обязаны этим нашим гражданам и бизнесу».

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04:20Are people committed to the same cause, or are this just lawyers haggling over every comma in the text?
04:28It is a combination, and there's certainly a lot of emotion.
04:34And, I mean, whatever group of people, if you put them in a room and you lock them up for
04:38some 24 hours,
04:40I mean, just because they all become tired, emotions will be visible at some point.
04:47That's the moment when the deals are struck, right?
04:48To some degree, yes.
04:50And, of course, there is also always, there is innuendo, there is a bit of theater, there is, I mean,
04:58people typically master the whole playbook of any negotiation,
05:02so you will see that in front of you.
05:04What the essence of Dubai, of course, was, was that we managed to basically kiss alive a supermajority that was
05:12in favor of more action.
05:15And in the end, this was, I think, an unexpected success for diplomacy, the tripling of renewable energy, the doubling
05:25of energy efficiency,
05:26the statement about transitioning away from fossil fuels.
05:29It was a landmark result.
05:32It was one of the best COPs, frankly speaking, since Paris.
05:35So, today, Europe is facing another energy crisis fueled by the war in the Gulf, the war in Iran,
05:43while we're still dealing with the fallout from another energy crisis, of course, sparked by the war in Ukraine.
05:50I mean, isn't that a great opportunity for an EU climate commissioner to tout renewable energies?
05:58Yes, I know.
05:59And the no is, and that is maybe where I'm a bit cautious.
06:03Look, I mean, if you're fueling up your car back home or you're dealing with an higher energy bill,
06:08and then politicians come to you and say, well, isn't that fantastic and isn't that a great opportunity?
06:13I think you maybe have a bit of a different emotion.
06:17What is true, and where you are absolutely right, is that the only way to get out of this nightmare,
06:24the only way to get rid of this dependency is to ensure more homegrown energy.
06:30And that means more electrification, more renewables, more heat pumps,
06:35more interconnectors between our member states, more nuclear.
06:38That whole mix is needed.
06:41Including nuclear?
06:41Including nuclear.
06:43And if you look back at our history and you think about the oil crisis of 1973,
06:50the crisis that we saw in 79 after the Iranian revolution, indeed 2022.
06:56And now again, every single time we see how vulnerable Europe is,
07:02how little energy we have ourselves.
07:06We are a resource scarce continent.
07:08So we have a huge objective, again, for climate, for competitiveness, but also for independence,
07:14to make more of this stuff ourselves.
07:16That is the way going forward.
07:19I remember that, by the way, in 73, when my father was not allowed to drive on the highways on
07:26Sundays.
07:27Exactly.
07:27To save to save energies.
07:29Now, some countries, like France, are doubling down on the transition to clean energy in response.
07:37Will this become an EU-wide movement?
07:43Absolutely.
07:43And France is doing a very good job there.
07:46It's exactly linked to your previous question.
07:49Let's make sure we take the opportunity out of this nightmare and we use this to accelerate what we're already
07:58planning to do.
07:59And again, if you think about these previous events, so 73, 79 and 2022, every single time our response has
08:08been positive in the sense that we have realized that we had to become more independent.
08:13At the same time, I think the lesson is also that after every previous crisis, we actually should have been
08:20more radical.
08:22We should have been more forward leaning.
08:25And that is what we need to do now.
08:27Now, the world is full of geopolitical turmoil.
08:31It could well be that this is not the last episode.
08:35And we owe it to our citizens and our companies that we're not going to, you know, confront them with
08:42higher prices during the next crisis.
08:45Whether that is in three years or five years or ten years, no one knows.
08:48We have to solve this.
08:49On the other hand, some of the world's greenest countries that are endowed with fossil fuel resources, such as the
08:57Netherlands and Denmark, are eyeing more drilling in the short term.
09:03What do you make of this?
09:05I personally think that is...
09:07I mean, if you look at where we are today, my read is it is truly better to double down.
09:18By the way, there are differences between those two countries.
09:20Denmark is further advanced, also doesn't face the net congestion, as far as I understand it, that the Netherlands is
09:29facing.
09:30So, of course, there are always specificities that you need to deal with in a national context.
09:38But overall, there simply is no substitute than to fast forward.
09:43And again, that is that whole mix of electrification, of nuclear, of solar that we so desperately need.
09:50And by the way, the Danes, but also the Swedes and the Finns have done an amazing job in the
09:54last couple of years in doing exactly that.
09:57I think the core question here is, can Europe secure its own energy?
10:03Is that really possible?
10:05How long does it take?
10:06And what is needed to do this?
10:09We absolutely can.
10:11Of course, we cannot do it in the next few years, right?
10:14Gas will continue to be a transition fuel for years to come.
10:19Energy demand, also because of what we see in terms of development of AI, will go up rather than down.
10:25Even with all the energy efficiency measures that we'll probably have up our sleeves.
10:32But the more independent we become, the more homegrown we become, the less vulnerable we become.
10:38So even if you have a bit of a, let's say, long tail of fossil fuels, then that in any
10:46case is way better than the current situation,
10:48where we're just heavily dependent on the oil and the gas that we get from outside.
10:55We truly, and as I said it before, we are at the mercy of others.
10:59And of course, it was smart to get rid of Russian gas.
11:03But we replaced that by, well, maybe a bit more renewables, but also by dependency on American LNG, Qatari LNG,
11:12and LNG from others.
11:14Is that a completely safe bet?
11:16Well, I guess we have second thoughts about that, right?
11:20Just look at what is happening across the globe.
11:23And even those who might not get their LNG going through the Strait of Hormuz are still very vulnerable because
11:33these are global markets.
11:34Now, the overall political goal in this town has become improving European competitiveness.
11:43To what extent is this putting you and your portfolio under pressure?
11:51I mean, we just need to open the newspaper.
11:52We rarely read about climate issues because there's so much else going on.
11:57But how do you deal with this?
11:59Do you feel this?
12:01And how do you try to argue against it?
12:04It's really things that go hand in hand.
12:06Because if you think about competitiveness and you think about what are the veins of our industry, it's energy.
12:16And the reality is that our companies, and particularly, of course, heavy industry that are very dependent on energy,
12:23are being confronted with very high energy prices compared to the Americans, but also others.
12:31It's a competitive disadvantage.
12:32And that is because we have to import the stuff.
12:35We're paying more.
12:37And in many cases, European countries are also taxing more than maybe other nations.
12:44So that is a complicated mix.
12:46And that is exactly the reason why we need to fast forward this transition, where I'm absolutely with those companies,
12:54is that that alone, fixing the energy problem alone, is not going to be enough.
12:59We will need to do much more to embark on truly a single market for capital, for people, and so
13:06on.
13:07We need to radically simplify, because, frankly speaking, we have made life too difficult for our companies.
13:13And what about the infrastructure?
13:16Because when we talk about transition, et cetera, infrastructure comes to mind, and I'm thinking of charging stations for cars,
13:25for instance.
13:25This is what everybody, every consumer in the EU feels.
13:30Now, it's still the case that I think three quarters of all charging stations in the EU are based in
13:35the Netherlands, Germany, and France.
13:38Why does it take so long?
13:40Why are the others just deaf?
13:43Or what's going on?
13:46You're absolutely right.
13:47We have more homework to do, and that shows that there is also clearly an opportunity, but also an obligation
13:55for member states to do more.
13:58Here's the good news.
13:59And indeed, the countries you were mentioning, I would add the Scandinavians to that list, that have the most electrified
14:04car park of all.
14:06Well, certainly Norway.
14:08Yeah, which is, let's say, not yet a member of the European Union.
14:12Let's not tease them too much.
14:13I'm a huge fan of the country, but they're also indeed, they have a truly electrified car park.
14:22What is the good news?
14:23If you look at the type of cars that now already are being put onto the market in terms of
14:28radius, in terms of quality of the engine, in terms of how quickly they can load.
14:37We are in a completely different dimension than we were some four or five years ago.
14:42And if I listen to experts, they're telling me, look, the best car that is, or the car with the
14:48longest radius that is currently being put on the market is maybe some 700, 800 kilometers, at least in testing.
14:56Maybe it's a bit less in reality.
14:58The number will only go up.
14:59Now, what they are telling me, and again, they are the experts, they're telling me, look, a thousand kilometers somewhere
15:07in the next five to 10 years will clearly come in sight.
15:10If that is the case, that gives you a completely different picture in terms of what your loading infrastructure would
15:19need to look like, because of course you would need more quantity, but you would not need it maybe at
15:25every corner of the street.
15:28So I think we are, we're up for a lot of positive surprises in this specific domain.
15:35Okay.
15:35Who says infrastructure also says grids.
15:39Where are we here right now?
15:41There's also some sort of, you know, problem.
15:44There's, are the grids strong enough?
15:47I mean, we have, we have a, an awesome amount of work out of us.
15:52Let's just be very honest.
15:53It's, it's, we're not nearly there.
15:55We need to invest billions and billions in the grids.
15:59And, and in my view, that will ask for public money.
16:02But I think we need to be unorthodox.
16:04We also need to allow semi-public or private money.
16:07Think about pension funds and other, and other large investors, because the amount of money we'll need is simply so
16:14large.
16:15Next to that, we need way more intelligence.
16:19Maybe AI or, or, or other tools, because we're not making use of the electricity in the smartest possible way.
16:25And that will give you percentage points extra.
16:28All these things are known for a long time, right?
16:31But still, we're, we're not making the progress that we want.
16:35We, we, we, well, we are.
16:37I think if you look at what we did in the last year, it need also seizing the opportunity with
16:44the package that we came out with two weeks ago, with the grids package that Jurgensen launched in, I believe,
16:52December of last year.
16:53With actually each of these measures, we're taking steps.
16:57I think where you are right and, and where, and where we need to be self-critical, we're not yet
17:04meeting the bar and much more is needed, right?
17:07So let's be as forward leaning as we can, because every euro invested in this transition is, is well spent.
17:16Again, because we are so vulnerable.
17:19As every child knows, climate change ignores borders.
17:25Now, you mentioned Norway earlier.
17:27What are the EU's international partners in the fight against climate change?
17:33It's, it's, it's a range of groups.
17:34And by the way, let me echo what you're saying.
17:36It's, it's, it's one of the complicated things of, of climate change is that indeed it doesn't discriminate.
17:42If it was, if you were able to just fix it in your own backyard and then you would be
17:47off the hook, that would make things way easier, right?
17:51But that's simply not the case.
17:53The planet doesn't care where we pump stuff into the air.
17:57If it happens, we, we, we all are living in a place that is heated up with one specific problem
18:05for Europe.
18:05Europe is heating up more quickly than the other.
18:07So we have a disproportionate incentive to make sure that we don't do just our homework ourselves.
18:13We do it also with others.
18:15That is where the partners come in.
18:17And there, there, there are various groups.
18:19And we try to build bridges all over the world.
18:22But clearly, first, there is the group of, let's say, Norway, Canada, Australia, the UK, with whom we work very
18:30closely together, given that they are so like-minded.
18:33Secondly, we also work together very closely with our friends from Latin America.
18:37Hence the, the conference of last week.
18:41And it is not a coincidence that there was a European and a Latin American country that were organizing it,
18:47but also more broadly with the global south.
18:50If you think about the, the small islands, our friends in Africa, our friends in, in, in, in Asia, the
18:58success of the, of the conference in Dubai that you just mentioned, at the heart of that was that we
19:05managed to create this super majority that crossed the north south divide.
19:10And that is, I think, the name of the game going forward.
19:13You did not mention our friends in the U.S. and in China, I guess it's a little more subdued.
19:20Well, it, I mean, and they're, they're, they're in different categories, right?
19:23Right. So with the Americans, we worked exceptionally closely together and John Kerry in particular in, in, in Dubai, in
19:32Baku with John Podesta, his, his successor.
19:36Uh, but the reality is that the Americans have checked out on this, on this topic.
19:41And that is, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's very unfortunate, but I have to take the world as
19:46it is, not as I would like it to be.
19:49All right. Fascinating conversation.
19:51Wopke Hoogstra, EU Climate Commissioner.
19:53Thank you so much for your time.
19:54Thank you, sir.
19:55Thank you.
19:55Thank you.

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