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Crise energética na Europa: quem paga o preço? Confronto entre eurodeputados no The Ring
Nesta nova edição do programa The Ring, transmitido a partir do Parlamento Europeu, em Bruxelas, os eurodeputados Fabrice Leggeri (Patriotas pela Europa) e Jussi Saramo (A Esquerda) debatem a estratégia energética da Europa numa altura em que as tensões geopolíticas abalam os mercados mundiais.
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Nesta nova edição do programa The Ring, transmitido a partir do Parlamento Europeu, em Bruxelas, os eurodeputados Fabrice Leggeri (Patriotas pela Europa) e Jussi Saramo (A Esquerda) debatem a estratégia energética da Europa numa altura em que as tensões geopolíticas abalam os mercados mundiais.
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03:18Eu sou o Saramor, Yves e Fabreice Lageri.
03:20E a gente do The Ring.
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03:25today to stop the war in the Middle East.
03:28Is Europe still heading towards
03:29an energy crisis? Well, I think that
03:31on the long term, we need to secure
03:34Europe's energy
03:35supply, and we need to make sure that
03:38the European Union, European member states
03:40are not dependent on any
03:42superpower. And do you see
03:44an immediate crisis, though? I think
03:45this is something that we agree on.
03:47Europe has had an energy crisis going
03:50on for a very long time, and it's just
03:51been stupid, even if at good
03:54times, we are pouring money to Saudi
03:56Arabia, Russia, Iran, and it
03:58has a geopolitical level
03:59that we should get rid of. Well, our viewers
04:02are sitting at home extremely concerned
04:04this week. If you look at countries like Germany
04:06as well, where fuel prices have
04:08gone up by 5% in recent
04:09weeks, that's well above the EU
04:12average. They're looking for measures, perhaps
04:14EU measures. We understand in Germany they're
04:16introducing a potential daily price
04:18cap, but is this time for the European Union
04:19now to intervene? Well, from
04:22my perspective, we should make
04:24sure that oil is not
04:26that taxes on oil are not too
04:28high, and this is the first
04:29measure that should be decided
04:32at the national level. Germany should have
04:34been doing a lot of stuff already
04:35years ago, so they are already too late.
04:38I'm very happy that we are doing
04:40the green transition in the European Union.
04:42The problem is that in this house,
04:44in the council between the member countries,
04:46there are a lot of political
04:48parties that
04:49don't want it. And the
04:51more we delay it, the bigger the trouble
04:53we have. And of course, in the
04:55Netherlands, Dutch drivers are currently
04:56paying the highest for their petrol,
04:59around 2.17 per liter.
05:01That's huge. It's huge for
05:03every European
05:04driver. It's huge also for
05:07European companies. And who is to blame
05:09for this? Well, the situation is
05:11that there was an ideology
05:13in the European Union, driven by the
05:15European Commission.
05:16So you're blaming the European Commission for the current
05:18crisis that people are having when they go to tank?
05:21The fact that we have an increase in
05:22price is that,
05:24in fact, the European Union
05:27is dependent on both.
05:30Now we're
05:31dependent on the liquefied
05:33natural gas, so we are
05:34dependent on the US. We
05:36stop the dependency or reduce the dependency
05:39on Russia, but we don't
05:40have an alternative, and we should
05:42invest more in European
05:45capacities. That's, of course, the internal
05:47debate going on right now here. Would you agree
05:48what he just said, that Brussels is to blame here?
05:51No, actually. I think it's the member states
05:52to blame. And we have
05:54European problems. Let's say the grids.
05:56Like in France, we have a lot of
05:58nuclear power. In
06:00Germany, they have totally different
06:02energy mix, actually a very
06:04problematic energy mix, because they were so dependent
06:06on Russia. But now we don't have
06:08good grids to transfer the energy
06:11in Europe, and that's one of the reasons
06:12that we could have
06:14cheaper energy almost everywhere if the grids
06:17would work. But of course, always there are some
06:19countries that would win more, and some
06:21countries could even lose. And that's
06:23why we don't have yet European
06:25solutions. And we're always hearing about this term
06:27of energy union, but of course, we're very far
06:29from that. Yeah, we're far from that. We have
06:31to blame the German policy in
06:32the past years, because it was driven
06:35by a green agenda, banning, shutting down
06:40nuclear plants in Germany. And as a consequence,
06:44Germany had no alternative when the Russian
06:49aggression against Ukraine started.
06:51I'm not sure how green agenda it was,
06:53because they were dependent on Russian
06:54fossils. And actually, so it's true that if you have
06:58already working nuclear power plant that could
07:00be used, like it still has a life, it's a bit
07:04stupid to stop it, but it's only a very small
07:07part of the problem. So are you in favor of
07:10nuclear? Was it a mistake for countries to start
07:12closing their nuclear plants? Well, I think if
07:14you have an old nuclear power plant that is
07:17working well, that it's safe, in this kind of
07:19situation where we're having the transformation,
07:21we should make the green transition more
07:23quicker, then it is not wise to shut it down. But
07:27thinking about building new nuclear power
07:29plants, actually, we were building a French
07:30nuclear power plant to Finland. And it's one
07:34of the most expensive buildings in the world. Like
07:37it took so long to build the same problems
07:40everywhere in the world. It's so slow, so
07:42expensive. If we want to answer to people's
07:46problems today, this decade, we need to build
07:51renewables, not nuclear power. Renewables. Public
07:54opinion, Fabrice, is divided when it comes to
07:56nuclear. In countries like Austria, they've had a
07:58referendum in the past saying they never want
07:59nuclear. Well, but public opinion are also
08:03concerned when the price of energy is so high. So
08:06they also have to be informed about the
08:08consequence of not being independent. And my
08:12concern is that Europe or European countries are
08:15not self-standing. They are dependent on other
08:20sources, on other third countries. And on that
08:23dependency, we saw Antonio Costa spend some of his
08:26week, of course, in Azerbaijan. This is the EU's plan to
08:29diversify their energy dependence. Is this a good
08:31idea? Do you support the fact that he's spending time and
08:33working with Azerbaijan? We can always find a new
08:36authoritarian dictatorship, new area where we can buy
08:40the oil. But the problem is the market. Like now, if we
08:43don't buy the Russian fossil, somebody else will do. So
08:46actually, the more we buy fossils, the bigger the
08:49problem is no matter if we are responsible. And
08:52actually, I don't think that Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia,
08:57Iran, Russia, even United States are countries that we
09:00want to pour our money into. Why don't we keep our money
09:03here in Europe and let's make more green energy? But in
09:06the interim, what do we do? Because it takes time. Well,
09:09actually, it's very quick. The renewables are so much
09:12better than nuclear. When we speak about the time, how
09:15quickly we can build it. As I told, we are too late. But it's a
09:21good time to start a very big time. And speaking of time, it's
09:25interesting what China has been doing. Massive energy stockpiles
09:28aggressively building them over the last couple of years to
09:31protect themselves from oil shocks and geopolitical tensions. Can
09:35the EU ever catch up, Fabrice, with China? Well, I'm afraid that the
09:40policy driven by the European Commission put us in the hands of
09:45China. Look at the solar panels, for example. The solar panel
09:48industry has been completely destroyed in Europe. That's a
09:52pity. So I can agree that to a certain extent, we need to
09:56diversify the energy mix in Europe. But why don't we have in
10:02Europe our own solar panels? I think solar panels is something
10:08that we were the best in the world and we are not anymore. Like the
10:11Chinese, they are building it so cheap, so quickly. Actually, at the
10:15moment, we should not try to win the competition on solar panels,
10:19but many other issues. Like now we are fighting about electric cars. And
10:24this is a competition we cannot lose. This competition, China, it's
10:29actually, it's a fierce capitalist competition inside China, but
10:32outside they are dumping prices. Actually, both China and US, they are
10:36very much taking care of their own benefit. And in the European Union, we
10:40have been living on this neoliberal dream that there is a free market that
10:43will solve all the problems. And this is the main problem. But I don't
10:46think that it's only the Commission or the European Union to blame. I
10:50think, again, it's the member states that have been building the
10:53system together, of course, with the European Union. That's the view
10:55from the MEPs. We'd like to hear as well. Who do you think is to
10:58blame? You can always write to us at the ring at yournews.com. But
11:01gentlemen, I want to stop you there as we're just getting into it.
11:08So now it's time to give our viewers a real insight into the European
11:12Parliament chamber where MEPs address questions to each other. That
11:16means that our MEPs can directly challenge each other, just like you
11:19do inside the hemicycle. And I know you sit on other sides of the
11:22hemicycle, so you don't know each other. So I'm glad that you're
11:24meeting here on the ring. Yussi Sadamo, the floor is yours.
11:28Okay, I would like to ask you, you have been voting against the
11:33proposal to face out Russian gas imports. And we know that Russia is
11:38having a war in Europe attacking us and we are using a lot of money to
11:42secure ourselves from Russia. So how good idea is to support the Putin's
11:48war chest? Well, Russia aggressed Ukraine and there's no question about that.
11:55The question is about the impact of sanctions on European citizens and
12:02European companies. And we do see hypocrisy because, for example, there are
12:08sanctions, but nevertheless, President Macron didn't stop importing Russian
12:14liquefied natural gas. So we think that we should avoid this hypocrisy and we
12:23should just make sure that we secure our own needs.
12:28very briefly. Are you satisfied with that answer? Well, not actually, because I'm I
12:32agree that there is hypocrisy in Europe, but it's not a reason to support Putin's
12:38war. If somebody else is hypocrite, why should we keep supporting the war?
12:43No, we don't support Russian Russian war. As this was just said, there is India, for
12:50example, helping while circumventing EU sanctions. Even President Trump was
12:59hesitating about sanctions against Russia. So the European Union should wake up and
13:07and look at its own interests and the interest of its own companies, its own
13:11consumers. And from my perspective, we should, let's say, not shift from one dependency
13:18on the Russian oil to dependency on American liquefied gas or any other source.
13:24Fabrice, it's time for you now to address your first question.
13:27Well, what do you think about the success or the the shortage of the green policy that
13:36has been implemented in the in the European Union?
13:40It depends very much which country you talk about. I'm coming from Finland and we have the
13:45cheapest or the second cheapest electricity in Europe. And we have been implementing the green
13:50transition very well. We have nuclear power, old nuclear power. And actually, the Finnish government
13:57was dreaming and they were already having the contracts to build more Russian nuclear power,
14:02which we were against because and we were called russophobes by the right wing.
14:07But like when we talk about the energy pallet, it should be brought. So we need the renewables. We need
14:14nuclear if you still have it. But I think it's something that always should be discussed by a very
14:23coherent way and not just like nuclear power itself. It's not the solution or wind is not a solution.
14:30Solar is not a solution. We need all of them.
14:32What about the sanctions? Because we we've just mentioned the sanctions against Russia coming from
14:38Finland. Of course, you are really aware of the Russian threat. So how do you assess the policy
14:45followed by other member states, just as Germany or other big countries when they decided in a very
14:54ideologic way to impose sanctions without having any kind of assessment on the internal conflict?
15:02Brief answer? Yeah, Finnish economy is very bad at the moment. And one reason is, of course, this war
15:08and sanctions don't help our economy. That's clear. But I would say that the Finnish people, a very broad
15:14majority of us support the sanctions because we see that Russia has been doing not only in Ukraine,
15:20in Moldova, in Georgia and everywhere where they find weaknesses with their neighbors, they have been
15:25very aggressive and having wars. And we know that we cannot tell Putin that it's okay to do what he's
15:32doing. So I think the Finnish people are very not happy with the sanctions, but they see it as a
15:37minor
15:37trade. Okay, you'll see time for your next question. When you are against the Green Deal and you know that
15:42nuclear power is so slow to build and you are giving that as an answer, what do you promise for
15:47the people
15:47between this? Well, in fact, we promise that we will avoid any kind of ideological decision. And there is
15:57too much ideology in Brussels. And the Green agenda driven by the European Commission, driven by the
16:04German Greens, in fact, has led the European Union and the EU member states to a really difficult situation
16:13that we realized when the Russian aggression started against Ukraine. And overnight, we had to impose
16:22sanctions on Russia. That's fine. But we had no alternative and we had to shift our dependency to
16:30the United States. And of course, it's also worth pointing out to our viewers that the Green agenda has
16:33slightly shifted now to the clean industrial agenda. And this whole idea of the Green Deal is barely
16:38mentioned now with the new tone inside the European Commission. But we've heard from you. We've heard
16:42from the MEPs. And I'd like now to bring in a new voice here.
16:48I'd like to bring in now the voice of President Volodymyr Zelensky, speaking at a press conference
16:53alongside the French President Emmanuel Macron in Paris. He said, I believe that lifting sanctions will
16:59in any case lead to a strengthening of Russia's position. It spends the money from energy sales on
17:04weapons. And all of this is then used against us. And of course, you must have seen this week that
17:09due
17:10to the crisis in the Middle East, President Donald Trump has eased sanctions on all countries buying
17:15Russian oil for one month. And President Zelensky clearly not impressed with this decision. What is
17:20your view here? In fact, we we see that there is hypocrisy and and it's always the same pattern that
17:26the
17:26European Union. What's your view on what President Trump has done? What President Trump is doing? Well,
17:33the crisis in the Middle East is much broader. There are there is geopolitics. There is Iran
17:41being a threat to its own people because we should not forget. So do you support what he's done?
17:47I'm saying that we will not regret if the the Islamist regime in Tehran collapses. We will not regret that
17:55regime. And we should also take into account that the nuclear threat represented potentially by Iran
18:02is huge for the region there, for Arab countries neighboring Iran, for Israel and for a part of
18:08Europe. OK, let's bring in the view of Yossi Sadamo on this point. Well, it's clear that Iran is a
18:14horrible
18:15theocratic regime for its people. And these brave people, thousands of them have lost their lives
18:20fighting against the regime. So, of course, I want to support the Iranese people to fight for their
18:25liberty. But then when we talk about what Trump is doing, actually, I think Trump, Netanyahu, Putin,
18:32even the Iranese regime, it's it's the same. It's like the autocratic men, very extreme rights regimes
18:41that you are using the religion as an example, are committing war crimes, are against equality and
18:48human rights. And they are all trying to break the international law and justice. And this is what
18:55the European Union be doing here to try and stop this war. There's a difference between an Iranian regime,
19:00which is a terrorist threat sponsoring terrorism all around the globe and democracies in the United
19:08States, in Israel and of course in Europe. You know, I just wanted to add that bombing schools
19:15doesn't help the Iranese people on their fight. Actually, it makes the regime even more legitimate
19:20on the eyes of many. And now what we are doing that we should call the Trump's bluff,
19:26because his hand, you know, no matter if you talk about NATO, taxation, tariffs, climate change,
19:32whatever we talk, he's blackmailing us. And the European leaders always in the end, they say,
19:38OK, but do whatever. And they're even supporting it, even in Iran. And of course, Donald Trump was the
19:43elephant in the room of that EU summit that took place here in Brussels this week. But let's just
19:47take a short break here on The Ring. But stay with us because we'll be back very soon here with
19:51some
19:51more political punch.
20:01Welcome back to The Ring, Euronews's weekly debating show. I'm joined by MEPs Fabrice Legeri and Yusuf Saramo.
20:09And the idea here is to bring the European Parliament debates to your very sofa. This week, we're focusing
20:14on how the war in Iran is affecting European consumers. As global energy markets react to disruptions around the
20:20Strait of Hormuz, trade flows are shifting in very unexpected ways. The US President Donald Trump
20:26has expanded a temporary sanctions waiver, allowing countries to purchase Russian oil. But who are
20:31the top buyers of Russian oil? That is what we're taking a look at. India with about 40 percent. China
20:38with about 30 percent. And then Turkey with 10 percent of the Russian seaborne crude. Sanctions,
20:44of course, have been a big part of the EU policies against Russia since the invasion. But the question is,
20:49of course, is Russia actually feeling it? Gentlemen, a reaction there to that data. Fabrice?
20:54Well, I'm not surprised by the figures. In order to make EU sanctions really effective,
21:00we should have coordinated our measures with other big players in the world.
21:04Is Vladimir Putin the big winner of this war?
21:07Definitely. The sanctions, even they haven't been working as well as we have been hoping.
21:13But the sanctions have been working on one issue that the price that Russia has been getting has
21:19been very low. And now, after Trump's maneuvers, the prices are going up. What Putin is getting,
21:27and that's very bad for us. It's very bad for everyone. But now that the European Union has just
21:30this year signed a historic trade deal with India, does Brussels have more leverage now,
21:35perhaps, with counterparts there? Well, the problem is that President von der Leyen,
21:40president of the commission, behaves as she had the power to be a big player.
21:46She compares herself with Donald Trump, with Chinese leadership and so on.
21:52But in fact, she has just weakened the, in fact, the position of the EU.
21:58Would you agree with what Fabrice has just said?
22:00Well, I agree maybe with some slightly different reasons, but it's true. I said that we should call
22:04the Trump's bluff. And actually, he doesn't have a good hand of cards on his hand, what he's blaming.
22:13U.S. is a superpower, thanks to Europe. And if we say no, it's true. If von der Leyen says
22:19no to Trump,
22:20when he's blackmailing us, Trump doesn't care. But the markets, they care. And always,
22:25men, the markets go down. If Trump says, OK, let's put 80 percent of the tariffs, let's put it.
22:30In the end, it will be bad for us, but it will be very bad for the United States. And
22:34after that,
22:35the Trump has to listen to us. But this is the weakness. But it's not only von der Leyen. It's
22:39Mertz.
22:40It's the whole EPP, this group that is leading the European Union, that it's very weak,
22:44and they should find their spine. We need to be tough players. And I think that if they are bargaining...
22:52But Ursula von der Leyen is trying to be tough. But when she's tough, you say she's overstepping her line.
22:56She is not, because she doesn't have a mandate to do so.
23:00So will the EU only work if we have a proper government structure with an elected president
23:04and proper ministers instead of 27 commissioners? Well, this is a very big discussion.
23:09But actually, I agree that we should... We have now Orban. We have Fitcher. We have the fifth column
23:16inside the European Union. Some are playing for Trump. Some are playing for Putin.
23:21And it's one of the reasons why Europe is weak, that we are so divided.
23:25And, of course, you mentioned two very important leaders of Hungary and Slovakia,
23:29who, of course, are still very much reliant on Russian oil. That's why we've seen as well.
23:32And we've been reporting for weeks here about that Drozba pipeline, the big smash between Ukraine and Hungary.
23:38Can I ask, Orban's party, Fidesz, it's your biggest ally here in Brussels.
23:44Why aren't you pushing them to work for Europe and not for MAGA, not for Trump and Putin?
23:50Well, in the Patriots group, we have 12 nationalities. And the French members represent the biggest part of the...
23:59Yeah, the Serana Krasen.
24:01But on Orban, we say that, of course, when it comes to this issue about the pipeline,
24:08this shows that Europe is still dependent and there is no alternative for Hungary to import energy.
24:17So, we consider that this is a national issue in our group. We consider that international relations and foreign affairs
24:27is a sovereign national issue.
24:29But is it enough to hijack, then, the €90 billion loan for Ukraine?
24:33Well, we are against this loan because it's not, in our views, in the long-term interest of European citizens.
24:40Because that means that the European Union now is developing huge debts. And coming from France, I can see what
24:49President Macron did.
24:50So, he increased French debts by 50% in the past 10 years. And we see a pattern now that
24:59President Macron has convinced, obviously,
25:01the European Commission and the Germans, to develop also debt at the European Union level. So, that's our concern.
25:08It's not about Russia or Ukraine. It's about our own interest.
25:12I think it's all about Ukraine. If they cannot defend themselves, if they cannot feed their people, they will collapse.
25:18And that will be not just terrible for all the Ukrainians, but it will be terrible for the whole Europe.
25:23And we are always cleaning the mess that the U.S. is doing in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, wherever. This is
25:31something that we don't have to touch.
25:33Maybe we cannot stop them killing people. We cannot stop Netanyahu making genocide, but we should not support them.
25:39But when we are in Europe, we have to do all we can to prevent this kind of dominoes that
25:48Russia is having all their borders.
25:49But on that point, we can move on now to our fifth and final round. Are you all set?
25:55Ready.
25:56Ready.
26:00To finalize now, it is time for something a little bit different. I'm going to be asking our MEPs a
26:04set of questions, and you can only answer with yes or no. Is that doable?
26:09Yes, I hope so.
26:11Should nuclear energy be classified as green?
26:14Yes.
26:20This is complicated, but let's say yes.
26:24Should all EU countries be investing in nuclear?
26:27Yes.
26:28No.
26:29Should EU funding be helping support nuclear energy?
26:32Yes.
26:33No.
26:34Is hydrogen energy a good solution? Yes or no?
26:38No.
26:40Usually, yes.
26:42Yes.
26:42Should the EU ban fossil fuel use by 2040? Yes or no?
26:46No.
26:47Yes.
26:48Yes or no?
26:48Should natural gas still be used as a transition fuel? Yes or no?
26:53A small part, yes.
26:54What about you? Yes or no?
26:56Yes.
26:56Are EU-US ties in ruins? Yes or no?
26:59They should be. They are.
27:02Yes.
27:03What about you? Yes or no?
27:04No.
27:04And final question for you both? Will this crisis slow down the green transition?
27:10It should not, but it looks like we have responsible politicians, so yes.
27:16What about you? Yes or no?
27:18Yes.
27:19Well, that final answer does bring this edition of The Ring to an end. Thank you so much, Fabrice Légeri,
27:23and Yussi Sadamo for being our guests. It's been great to hear your views and your insights. But of course,
27:28what about you? Let us know what you think about what we've been discussing. You can write to us at
27:33The Ring,
27:33at Euronews.com and tell us how you feel about the current energy crisis and the role of the European
27:39Union here. Take care and see you soon on Euronews.
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