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Europa tem de ser mais radical na crise energética: comissário europeu do Clima explica
A única saída para as crises energéticas agravadas pelas guerras no Irão e na Ucrânia é a energia produzida na Europa, disse à Euronews o comissário europeu para o Clima, Wopke Hoekstra. "Devemos isso aos nossos cidadãos e às nossas empresas".
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A única saída para as crises energéticas agravadas pelas guerras no Irão e na Ucrânia é a energia produzida na Europa, disse à Euronews o comissário europeu para o Clima, Wopke Hoekstra. "Devemos isso aos nossos cidadãos e às nossas empresas".
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00:07Olá e bem-vindos ao EUROPE CONVERSATION, eu estou Stefan Grobe.
00:11Meu guest hoje foi nominado como Political Talent of the Year
00:16pela parlamentar press da Neste de Neste de 2013.
00:19Levant a essa nominada, ele spent um décade em o ducho senado e o governo,
00:24served como financeiro e ministro e vice-presidente antes de joining a Comissão Europea.
00:28Eu estou muito animado a convivir o Comissão Europeu para o Climato, Net Zero e Clean Growth, Wopke Hoogstra.
00:35Obrigado, Comissão, por vir aqui no show.
00:37Obrigado muito por ter me convivir.
00:39Vou começar com uma pergunta pessoal.
00:42Você é o pai de quatro filhos.
00:45Agora, a qual é a forma que isso te inspira em sua luta para mais proteção de clima?
00:50Bom, em qualquer caso, isso significa que eu sempre tenho muito a explicar em casa.
00:55Porque eles perguntam sobre o meu trabalho.
00:57Não só a nossa geração está preocupada pelo clima, mas certamente também os filhos na escola.
01:04E eles se tornaram muito fanáticos de reciclores de casa.
01:09Isso é muito bom.
01:11Agora, ano passado, marcou o 10º aniversário do París Climato Agreement.
01:16Qual é o legado do acordo com a União Europeia?
01:19Eu acho que isso é absolutamente enorme.
01:22É provavelmente a coisa mais importante que nós fizemos como humanidade em sete o curso em frente.
01:30Então, claro, há muito pushback.
01:33Claro, há mais necessidade.
01:34Claro, o dano que nós temos em frente de nós é realmente dramático.
01:39E, ao mesmo tempo, Paris é um palco.
01:43E tem realmente formado o comportamento dos últimos 10 anos.
01:47E nós vamos continuar a fazer isso em frente.
01:50Você mencionou que a realidade de hoje é que a política climática, a União Europeia Green Deal,
01:56está sob pressão, sob pressão política.
01:58E a pressão política.
01:59Como você sente esses headwinds e como você lidia com eles?
02:04Eu acho que existem duas coisas ao mesmo tempo.
02:08Na verdade, em alguns casos há um pouco de pushback.
02:11Ao mesmo tempo, o que as pessoas percebem é que a combinação do clima,
02:16da competitividade e da independência é realmente muito importante.
02:21E nós experimentamos isso, claro, hoje com a crise de energia.
02:26E nós já tínhamos um objetivo muito bom de clima,
02:29para tirar a combustível de combustível e mudar a renação e nuclear e a electrificação.
02:34Também teve um bom motivo para fazer isso, só por razão financeira,
02:38porque a energia em Europa simplesmente é muito caro.
02:41Mas nós aprendemos agora a forma de que nós estamos extremamente dependendo
02:46do que nós temos que importar.
02:48Nós estamos à oito de associações internacionais,
02:51e nós não podemos permitir isso.
02:52We cannot expose our citizens and our companies to this type of vulnerability.
02:58So that we need to change.
03:00You were in Colombia recently for the first ever global talks
03:05to accelerate the shift away from fossil fuels.
03:09What did this conference achieve?
03:11So what it brought together was a group of like-minded countries
03:16that want to double down on accelerating.
03:20To be quite honest, the process of multilateralism and the COPs is imperfect at best.
03:29And particularly the last COP was also very, very difficult.
03:32So we need to change that system and at the same time be realistic
03:37because if some people want to spoil it, that is possible
03:40because it is a system that lives by unanimity.
03:44So bringing together a group of countries with more ambition,
03:48a coalition of the willing, if you will, I think is a fruitful way forward.
03:53I think it is testimony to the success that the organizers,
03:57Colombia and the Netherlands, managed to pull that off this quickly.
04:00And it is now up to this group to see what we can do more together going forward.
04:05You were also the EU's chief negotiator at the EU Climate Conference in Dubai three years ago.
04:14I want you to tell us a little about the atmosphere in the rooms.
04:18Is it emotional?
04:20Are people committed to the same cause?
04:23Or are this just lawyers haggling over every comma in the text?
04:27It is a combination.
04:30Or a mix.
04:31Yeah.
04:31And there's certainly a lot of emotion.
04:34And I mean, whatever group of people, if you put them in a room
04:37and you lock them up for some 24 hours, I mean, just because they all become tired,
04:45emotions will be visible at some point.
04:47That's the moment when the deals are struck, right?
04:48To some degree, yes.
04:50And of course, there is also always, there is innuendo.
04:54There is a bit of theater.
04:57There is, I mean, people typically master the whole playbook of any negotiation.
05:02So you will see that in front of you.
05:04What the essence of Dubai, of course, was,
05:06was that we managed to basically kiss alive a supermajority that was in favor of more action.
05:15And in the end, this was, I think, an unexpected success for diplomacy,
05:21the tripling of renewable energy, the doubling of energy efficiency,
05:26the statement about transitioning away from fossil fuels.
05:29It was a landmark result.
05:32It was one of the best COPs, frankly speaking, since Paris.
05:35So today, Europe is facing another energy crisis fueled by the war in the Gulf, the war in Iran.
05:43while we're still dealing with the fallout from another energy crisis, of course,
05:48sparked by the war in Ukraine.
05:52Isn't that a great opportunity for an EU climate commissioner to tout renewable energies?
05:58Yes, I know.
05:59And the no is, and that is maybe where I'm a bit cautious.
06:03Look, I mean, if you're fueling up your car back home or you're dealing with an higher energy bill
06:08and then politicians come to you and say, well, isn't that fantastic?
06:11And isn't that a great opportunity?
06:13I think you maybe have a bit of a different emotion.
06:17What is true and where you are absolutely right is that the only way to get out of this nightmare,
06:24the only way to get rid of this dependency is to ensure more homegrown energy.
06:30And that means more electrification, more renewables, more heat pumps,
06:35more interconnectors between our member states, more nuclear.
06:38That whole mix is needed.
06:41Including nuclear.
06:42Including nuclear.
06:43And if you look back at our history and you think about the oil crisis of 1973,
06:50the crisis that we saw in 79 after the Iranian revolution, indeed 2022.
06:56And now again, every single time we see how vulnerable Europe is,
07:03how little energy we have ourselves.
07:06We are a resource scarce continent.
07:08So we have a huge objective, again, for climate, for competitiveness,
07:13but also for independence, to make more of this stuff ourselves.
07:16That is the way going forward.
07:19I remember that, by the way, in 73 when my father would know,
07:22everybody was not allowed to drive on the highways on Sundays to save energies.
07:29Now, some countries like France are doubling down on the transition to clean energy in response.
07:37Will this become an EU-wide movement?
07:43Absolutely.
07:44And France is doing a very good job there.
07:46It's exactly linked to your previous question.
07:49Let's make sure we take the opportunity out of this nightmare and we use this to accelerate what we're already
07:58planning to do.
07:59And again, if you think about these previous events, so 73, 79 and 2022,
08:05every single time our response has been positive in the sense that we have realized that we had to become
08:12more independent.
08:13At the same time, I think the lesson is also that after every previous crisis, we actually should have been
08:20more radical.
08:22We should have been more forward-leaning.
08:25And that is what we need to do now.
08:27The world is full of geopolitical turmoil.
08:31It could well be that this is not the last episode and we owe it to our citizens and our
08:39companies that we're not going to confront them with higher prices during the next crisis.
08:45Whether that is in three years or five years or ten years, no one knows.
08:48We have to solve this.
08:49On the other hand, some of the world's greenest countries that are endowed with fossil fuel resources, such as the
08:57Netherlands and Denmark, are eyeing more drilling in the short term.
09:03What do you make of this?
09:05I personally think that is...
09:07Do you understand this or...
09:08No, I mean, if you look at where we are today, my read is it is truly better to double
09:17down.
09:18By the way, there are differences between those two countries.
09:21Denmark is further advanced, also doesn't face the net congestion, as far as I understand it, that the Netherlands is
09:29facing.
09:30So, of course, there are always specificities that you need to deal with in a national context.
09:38But overall, there simply is no substitute than to fast forward.
09:43And again, that is that whole mix of electrification, of nuclear, of solar that we so desperately need.
09:50And by the way, the Danes, but also the Swedes and the Finns have done an amazing job in the
09:54last couple of years in doing exactly that.
09:57I think the core question here is, can Europe secure its own energy?
10:03Is that really possible?
10:05How long does it take?
10:06And what is needed to do this?
10:09We absolutely can.
10:11Of course, we cannot do it in the next few years, right?
10:14Gas will continue to be a transition fuel for years to come.
10:19Energy demand, also because of what we see in terms of development of AI, will go up rather than down.
10:25Even with all the energy efficiency measures that we'll probably have up our sleeves.
10:32But the more independent we become, the more homegrown we become, the less vulnerable we become.
10:38So even if you have a bit of a, let's say, long tail of fossil fuels, then that in any
10:46case is way better than the current situation,
10:48where we're just heavily dependent on the oil and the gas that we get from outside.
10:55We truly, and as I said it before, we are at the mercy of others.
10:59And of course, it was smart to get rid of Russian gas.
11:03But we replaced that by, well, maybe a bit more renewables, but also by dependency on American LNG, Qatari LNG,
11:12and LNG from others.
11:14Is that a completely safe bet?
11:16Well, I guess we have second thoughts about that, right?
11:20Just look at what is happening across the globe.
11:23And even those who might not get their LNG going through the Strait of Hormuz are still very vulnerable because
11:33these are global markets.
11:34Now, the overall political goal in this town has become improving European competitiveness.
11:43To what extent is this putting you and your portfolio under pressure?
11:51I mean, we just need to open the newspaper.
11:52We rarely read about climate issues because there's so much else going on.
11:57But how do you deal with this?
11:59Do you feel this?
12:01And how do you try to argue against it?
12:04It's really things that go hand in hand.
12:06Because if you think about competitiveness and you think about what are the veins of our industry, it's energy.
12:16And the reality is that our companies, and particularly, of course, heavy industry that are very dependent on energy,
12:23are being confronted with very high energy prices compared to the Americans, but also others.
12:31It's a competitive disadvantage.
12:32And that is because we have to import the stuff.
12:35We're paying more.
12:37And in many cases, European countries are also taxing more than maybe other nations.
12:44So that is a complicated mix.
12:46And that is exactly the reason why we need to fast forward this transition, where I'm absolutely with those companies,
12:54is that that alone, fixing the energy problem alone, is not going to be enough.
12:59We will need to do much more to embark on truly a single market for capital, for people, and so
13:06on.
13:07We need to radically simplify, because, frankly speaking, we have made life too difficult for our companies.
13:13And what about the infrastructure?
13:16Because when we talk about transition, et cetera, infrastructure comes to mind, and I'm thinking of a charging station for
13:25cars, for instance.
13:25This is what everybody, every consumer in the EU feels.
13:30Now, it's still the case that I think three quarters of all charging stations in the EU are based in
13:35the Netherlands, Germany, and France.
13:38Why does it take so long?
13:40Why are the others just deaf, or what's going on?
13:46You're absolutely right.
13:47We have more homework to do, and that shows that there is also clearly an opportunity, but also an obligation
13:55for member states to do more.
13:58Here's the good news.
13:59And indeed, the countries you were mentioning, I would add the Scandinavians to that list, that have the most electrified
14:04car park of all.
14:06Well, certainly Norway.
14:08Yeah, which is, let's say, not yet a member of the European Union.
14:12Let's not tease them too much.
14:13I'm a huge fan of the country, but they're also indeed, they have a truly electrified car park.
14:22What is the good news?
14:23If you look at the type of cars that now already are being put onto the market in terms of
14:28radius, in terms of quality of the engine, in terms of how quickly they can load,
14:37we are in a completely different dimension than we were some four or five years ago.
14:42And if I listen to experts, they're telling me, look, the best car that is, or the car with the
14:48longest radius that is currently being put on the market is maybe some 700, 800 kilometers, at least in testing.
14:55Maybe it's a bit less in reality.
14:58The number will only go up.
14:59Now, what they are telling me, and again, they are the experts.
15:04They're telling me, look, a thousand kilometers somewhere in the next five to 10 years will clearly come in sight.
15:10If that is the case, that gives you a completely different picture in terms of what your loading infrastructure would
15:19need to look like, because of course you would need more quantity, but you would not need it maybe at
15:25every corner of the street.
15:28So I think we are, we're up for a lot of positive surprises in, in, in, in this specific domain.
15:35Okay. Okay. Who says infrastructure also says grids. Um, where are we here right now? There's also some sort of,
15:43you know, problem. There's other grids strong enough.
15:47I mean, we have, we have a, an, an awesome amount of work out of us. Let's just be very
15:52honest. It's, it's, we're not nearly there. We need to invest billions and billions in the grids.
15:58Uh, and, and in my view, that will ask for public money, but I think we need to be unorthodox.
16:04We also need to allow semi-public or private money. Think about pension funds and other, uh, and other, uh,
16:11large investors, because the amount of money we'll need is simply so large.
16:15Next to that, we need way more intelligence, um, uh, maybe AI or, or, or, or other tools, because we're
16:22not making use of the electricity in the smartest possible way.
16:25And that will give you percentage points extra.
16:28All these things are known for a long time, right? But still, we're, we're not making the progress that we
16:35want.
16:35We, we, we, well, we are. I think if you look at what we did in the last year, it
16:40need also seizing the opportunity, um, with the package that we came out with two weeks ago, with the grids
16:48package that Jorgensen, uh, launched in, I believe, December of last year.
16:53With actually each of these measures, we're taking steps. I think where you are right and, and where, and where
17:00we need to be self-critical, um, we're not yet meeting the bar and much more is needed, right?
17:06So let's be as forward leaning as we can, because every Euro invested in this transition is, is well spent.
17:16Again, because we are so vulnerable.
17:19As every child knows, um, climate change ignores borders. Now you mentioned Norway, uh, earlier. What are the EU's international
17:30partners in the fight against climate change?
17:33It's, it's, it's, it's a range of groups. And by the way, let me echo what you're saying. It's, it's,
17:37it's one of the complicated things of, of climate change is that indeed it doesn't discriminate.
17:42If it was, if you were able to just fix it in your own backyard and then you would be
17:47off the hook, that would make things way easier, right? Um, uh, but that's simply not the case.
17:52Uh, the planet doesn't care where we pump stuff into the air. Uh, if it happens, uh, we, we, we
17:59all are living in a place that is heated up with one specific, uh, uh, problem for Europe.
18:05Europe is heating up more quickly than the other. So we have a disproportionate incentive to make sure that we
18:11don't do just our homework ourselves.
18:13We do it also with others. That is where the partners come in and there, there, there are various groups
18:19and we try to build bridges all over the world.
18:22But clearly first there is the group of, let's say Norway, Canada, Australia, uh, the UK with whom we work
18:29very closely together, given that they are so like-minded.
18:33Secondly, we also work together very closely with our friends from Latin America. Um, hence the, the conference of last
18:40week.
18:41And it is not a coincidence that there was a European, uh, and a Latin American country that were organizing
18:46it, but also more broadly with the global South.
18:50Um, if you think about the, the small islands, uh, our friends in Africa, our friends in, uh, in, uh,
18:56in, in, in Asia, the success of the, of the conference in Dubai that you just mentioned, um, at the
19:03heart of that was that we managed to create this super majority that crossed the North South divide.
19:10And that is, I think the name of the game going forward, you did not mention our friends in the
19:15U S and in China, I guess it's a little more subdued.
19:20Well, I mean, and they're, they're, they're in different categories, right? So, uh, with the Americans, we worked exceptionally closely
19:27together and John Kerry in particular in, in Dubai, uh, in Baku with John Podesta, his, uh, his successor.
19:36Uh, but the reality is that Americans have checked out on this, on this topic. And that is, I mean,
19:42it's, it's, it's, it's, it's very unfortunate, but I have to take the world as it is, not as I
19:47would like it to be.
19:48All right. Fascinating conversation. Wopke Hoogstra, EU Climate Commissioner. Thank you so much for your time.
19:54Thank you, sir. Thank you.
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