00:00When you look at the way that the ruling has been reported in some quarters, it's not surprising that some
00:07people look at that and think, you know, find that really, really difficult to understand.
00:11I think the important thing to remember is at the heart of this, this is a case about the rights
00:17of a vulnerable child, a child with autism, a child where the mental health reports of being separated from their
00:24father would cause, you know, severe distress and severe mental health problems.
00:30And it was that that the courts were responding to.
00:33And so I think when we're looking at some of these difficult cases, which are difficult cases, we have to
00:38remember that, you know, who is at the heart of this?
00:42And in this case, it is actually a particularly vulnerable child.
00:45You know, clearly there is a debate going on in this country about human rights law, about our Human Rights
00:52Act and membership of the European Convention on Human Rights.
00:55And, you know, that's a legitimate political debate. People have different views on it.
00:59I mean, I think that human rights provide a really important framework that enable us to live well together.
01:05I think it is important when people are talking about human rights, that they kind of acknowledge the complexity of
01:11the cases that they're dealing with and acknowledge that actually this is a case about a child.
01:16This is a case about the rights of a child who had, you know, who's who's autistic and had kind
01:24of sensory disorders.
01:24And where it was established that being separated from their father would would cause them severe problems.
01:30And that was a starting point. I do think it's important to to recognize that that is difficult.
01:35That does that does lead to some, you know, balancing these things is not a straightforward question.
01:42And sometimes there are there are hard decisions.
01:45But at the heart of this case was the rights of a child.
01:48And you can help them.
01:48So, you know,
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