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CTP (S3E144) AI Music And The Missing Soul
Exploring more of the fascinating intersection of Activism, Community Engagement, Faith / Religion, Human Nature, Politics, Social Issues, and beyond
A planned conversation about AI music turns into a behind-the-scenes solo take when my guest does not show, and I use the moment to think out loud about what AI can copy and what it cannot. I dig into AI-generated songs on YouTube, the coming pressure on musicians, and why I still believe real life experience matters in art.
• Gary not showing up and why I record anyway
• AI-generated music and fake duets online
• How cloned voices and “mashups” spread on YouTube
• My own history with writing and recording music
• Looker and Simone as warnings about synthetic performers
• Using AI to produce songs versus creating as a human
• Why AI can mimic emotion but not truly have it
• Fear of AI taking over parts of the music industry
• Request for listener feedback and mini sessions
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Exploring more of the fascinating intersection of Activism, Community Engagement, Faith / Religion, Human Nature, Politics, Social Issues, and beyond
A planned conversation about AI music turns into a behind-the-scenes solo take when my guest does not show, and I use the moment to think out loud about what AI can copy and what it cannot. I dig into AI-generated songs on YouTube, the coming pressure on musicians, and why I still believe real life experience matters in art.
• Gary not showing up and why I record anyway
• AI-generated music and fake duets online
• How cloned voices and “mashups” spread on YouTube
• My own history with writing and recording music
• Looker and Simone as warnings about synthetic performers
• Using AI to produce songs versus creating as a human
• Why AI can mimic emotion but not truly have it
• Fear of AI taking over parts of the music industry
• Request for listener feedback and mini sessions
https://tinyurl.com/SubscribeToCTP
CTP Audios: https://tinyurl.com/CTPonBuzzsprout
CTP Videos: https://tinyurl.com/JLDonBITCHUTE
https://tinyurl.com/CTPgear
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00:00Hello, welcome to another episode of Perstitutionalist Podcast.
00:06I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard.
00:09That's L-E-N-A-R-D at the French.
00:13It's not, it's Leonard without an O.
00:17Thank you for tuning in, as Graham Norton used to say, on his show.
00:24Let's get on with the show!
00:26Hi, gang!
00:29Today, I am, behind the scenes, I am recording today, Monday, February the 2nd, Groundhog
00:39Day, yep, Real Winter decided to show up this year, and yep, we're going to have more of
00:46it, and last night was the Grammys.
00:50I didn't time it this way, but Gary, not going to give us a last name, is a no-show
00:57for,
00:58it's now five minutes after one in the afternoon, Eastern Time, here in the Detroit area.
01:06Gary was supposed to come on to talk AI music, and he's now the third person who said, oh,
01:15good topic.
01:16Let's talk the differences and comparisons between human-created music, and for those
01:24behind the scenes, I'm wearing my Rick Springfield shock, denial, anger, acceptance shirt.
01:30Since talking music, I figured I'd have something of a musical theme on, rather than my, you know,
01:38flag-inspired attire, most times, or my constitutionalist politics shirt.
01:45Anyway, where was I?
01:47Gary's a no-show, so I'm going to record this anyway, since there were two others who said
01:54they were interested in talking about this topic, and then also begged out.
01:59So, this won't be part of a music weeks, or at least I don't think.
02:06Please remember, check back.
02:08I've had plenty of singers, songwriters, musicians on the show in my first year, second, and third
02:18year.
02:19I will be entering season four here soon, and I had music weeks, which was, what, March?
02:28Three weeks in March of 2025.
02:32Please check that out.
02:33But more and more, we're seeing AI-generated music.
02:40You may have seen them, right?
02:43So-and-so mash-up with such-and-such, AI-created as if this person's singing a duet with that
02:53person, but no, that's not real.
02:56They're mimicking so-and-so's voice, and such-and-such's voice, and the music's fairly good.
03:04It's usually a dead giveaway because you don't see the artists that they're mimicking in the
03:13videos.
03:13You just see either still pictures, or you see a cartoonish rendering of a music video,
03:21usually a big tell.
03:24But more and more, AI music is invading YouTube especially.
03:30It's all over the place.
03:31And in fact, my tinyurl.com slash carpe diem official playlist, I think I might even have
03:42a few AI-created tunes in that official playlist.
03:47That's the official playlist for my Life and Living series of books, complicated Life and
03:56Living.
03:56This is a proof copy, so obviously.
04:00Anyway, Complicated Life and Living is the latest in my Life and Living series, tinyurl.com
04:09slash Life and Living Series.
04:12We'll take you to the end of that page for that series of books.
04:17But indeed, music.
04:19I wrote and recorded music when I was younger.
04:22My dad, Thaddeus M. Leonard, had Leonard Jr. and the Polka Kings.
04:27Yes, you can still find their three albums or eight-track tapes out and about out there.
04:39Unlike my dad, I never got a record deal, but music is in my blood.
04:44So I really wanted to talk about this.
04:48We hear about Tilly Norwood, right?
04:53And I've talked.
04:54Oh, there I said right again.
04:55And I give up trying to stop catching myself saying that.
05:00Now, I should have grabbed.
05:03In fact, I will.
05:04Hold on.
05:05Don't go away.
05:06Okay, I will have cut out that part.
05:08Where I left from behind the camera to grab Looker, still in the plastic.
05:18I just recently finally got a DVD copy of Looker with Albert Finney, James Coburn, and Susan Day, yes, of
05:26the Partridge family.
05:27And Simone, Sim 1, if you prefer to pronounce it that way, with Al Pacino, Tilly Norwood, and A.I.
05:37taking over actor and actress roles.
05:41The A.I. can produce it.
05:43Both those movies are about that.
05:46I highly recommend seeing Looker first and then Simone or Sim 1 to come up to speed.
05:54We knew this day was coming, but no one ever talked about A.I. replacing musicians.
06:02And that could be happening more and more now.
06:05Now, I myself haven't played with.
06:08It'd be a chance for me to get back in music.
06:11I could write music and have the A.I. recorded for me.
06:16My singing ability is long shot.
06:20I can't sing worth a darn anymore.
06:22I wouldn't even attempt to do karaoke anywhere anymore.
06:27Too many decades have gone by that my singing voice is a disaster.
06:33But I could write and have A.I. record a song.
06:38My first album was going to be, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, Hard Rock, Fast Cars, Hot Women, not necessarily in
06:59that order, was the loose working title.
07:03It would have a variety.
07:04I was hoping to do a cover of the New England song, if you're familiar with them, Don't Ever Wanna
07:12Lose Ya.
07:13It's a great song about someone who, a man whose wife, fiance, significant other, female, whatever, is out and driving
07:27home in a downpour.
07:29And he's worried about losing her.
07:31Well, I always thought that was a great song, and I was hoping I would be able to write a
07:38duet with, like, Joan Jett at the time and record a music video that would be a lead-in then
07:48to the cover version of Don't Ever Wanna Lose Ya.
07:52The right set up.
07:53A couple that has a bit of an argument, she leaves, and she's out in a downpour, right?
08:01Leads into that song, tells a broader story.
08:05I could potentially do that now, create a mock-up song of a duet between whomever I wanted and have
08:15it lead in to that song.
08:17But I'm not going to do that.
08:20I could do that, I could do that, and maybe, you know, get my musical aspiration side of me that
08:27never came to full fulfillment.
08:32I do have some things written in, oh, excuse me, I'm having a chocolate Coke, for those of you who
08:45have never tried one.
08:47Yes, like a vanilla Coke or a cherry Coke.
08:51We used to get these at the Dime store in downtown Wynedad all the time at the soda jerk counter
08:58there, right?
09:00And if you're going to do it, pour Coke in your glass first, then Hershey syrup, and then carefully mix
09:08it.
09:08If you put in the syrup first and then quickly pour in your Coke, you're going to get, like, the
09:14child volcano experiment, you know, the baking soda volcano.
09:18You're going to get foam all over the place.
09:20But at any rate, I do have music around here that I've recorded.
09:26I've never digitized it, so I'm not going to present any of it or play any of it as part
09:32of this episode.
09:34So I could, through AI, start up a music career again, I guess.
09:41But the point of this episode with others was supposed to be they were supposed to record an AI song
09:49so that we could compare what AI creates versus what they as a human creates.
09:56If you recall, I had on Alison McBain talking about the AI writing experiment and experience.
10:08She had AI write a couple books, and she wrote a couple of books.
10:14In fact, I think she did a challenge where she was going to write X number of books in X
10:20number of days
10:21and see if pushing the limits of human creativity and ability to write
10:28obviously would never be able to keep up with AI that's awake 24 hours a day
10:33and can pour books out if we wanted them to dozens, hundreds, potentially a thousand a day
10:43for days and weeks and months and years on end
10:47burying regular authors like me, putting us in the dust, putting us asunder.
10:56Well, that makes me think a dream theater song pulled me under now.
11:03But anyway, I was hoping to have someone who has their own music
11:09and something from AI so we could compare, like Alison McBain did, to compare books, writing.
11:19AI is probably going to get better, but for now, it can mimic personality, but it doesn't have one.
11:30It lacks human emotion.
11:33It can try and mimic it and try to understand our psychology to a degree.
11:40But the music, like the books, in my opinion, at least for now, lack something because indeed it isn't alive.
11:53It doesn't have a soul.
11:55It's missing that spirit.
11:57It's missing the actual life experiences that are being poured out in the song.
12:05Write me a breakup song.
12:08Okay, it could do that in theory based on other breakup songs or trauma and relationship issues in books.
12:21Kind of like complicated and all my others in the Life and Living series of books.
12:30But it doesn't know.
12:33It's not sentient.
12:34It may soon think it is.
12:37I wanted to have that comparison, but it seems I can't get anyone on to talk.
12:44I don't know if it's out of fear.
12:46People fear that indeed the AI is going to take over the music industry or what.
12:53No one wants to talk about it.
12:55So I just thought I'd do this record since I'm supposed to be recording now with Gary and am not.
13:04So anyway, thank you all for...
13:07Oh, oh, oh, I don't want you to go yet.
13:11Main reason I decided to still record this is for listener feedback.
13:15From time to time, if you're a regular or even semi-regular listener or viewer on the five video channels
13:25or listener across the 25 plus audio platforms this show has carried on,
13:32I do listener feedback.
13:35I would love for some of you to reach out to me at josephmleonard.us slash contact.
13:44And again, if you see on the screen there, Leonard without an O, L-E-N-A-R-D, josephmleonard
13:57.us slash contact.
14:01Reach out to me.
14:04I'd like to record a few mini sessions with various listeners or viewers and get your input as listener feedback.
14:15Your thought on AI taking over music, AI and a Tilly Norwood in the lines of Looker and Simone taking
14:31over the role of movies so that no, you whiny multi-million dollar pain in everyone's ass.
14:40We don't have to put up with you.
14:42We could just have AI fulfill your role.
14:45What are your thoughts on this?
14:47Whether you want to come on there or if you just want to send me comments that I could potentially
14:53read, please do so.
14:58josephmleonard.us slash contact.
15:03I was going to screw up.
15:04And again, for music, the Life and Living series of books has an official soundtrack, an official playlist, tinyurl.com
15:16slash carpe diem official playlist.
15:20Hope you'll check that out.
15:22And again, I'm pretty sure there's a couple of AI-generated songs in that playlist.
15:28Shout out to Alison McBain.
15:31And again, I'll be notifying her.
15:34Her name is dropped in this episode.
15:38Thank you all.
15:39As well as Mickey Mickelson, who represents Alison.
15:44He's a publicist for her and others up in Canada.
15:49Anyway, thank you all.
15:51Take care.
15:53God bless.
15:54Love you all.
15:55Really, truly, genuinely, I want to hear back from you all.
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