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00:09So my sisters are in New Zealand, so is my brother.
00:12Your head's a little bit funky.
00:14Oh, thank you.
00:15I never brush it, so Jessie usually brushes it for me.
00:17Jessie!
00:18What the fuck do I do?
00:20Why am I even here, actually?
00:21No.
00:23What the hell's happening?
00:24Can I fit in here?
00:27Hey, where's Mesa?
00:30I think you went that way.
00:31Did you go with Layla?
00:32Um.
00:36Oh, my God.
00:38I've only been in L.A. for less than six hours.
00:40Taylor's already brought over a boy toy to try to make me jealous, but I'm just not taking
00:47the bait.
00:50Right, Taylor?
00:53I don't care if Dakota sees me with Harry.
00:56I knew it would piss him off, but we do need to get used to this.
00:58I'm going to be the bachelorette.
01:00It's inevitable, so, like, why not start now?
01:04What are you shaking your head out?
01:05What do you mean?
01:06What do you mean, Dakota?
01:08I don't know what this game is.
01:10What do you think that girls would feel like meeting your ex, though, as, like, a friend?
01:15I would be fine with it.
01:16Well, obviously, you're in a situation where you're friends with your ex.
01:18I'm good.
01:19Yeah, my girlfriend.
01:20What?
01:21What?
01:22They were swingers.
01:24These guys.
01:25Yeah.
01:25With our husbands.
01:26Hey.
01:27And some other people.
01:28But, yeah.
01:28They're freaky.
01:29Freaky girls.
01:30What were you taking your head out of?
01:31Are you going to elaborate?
01:33Oh, just this situation.
01:34I think it's fucking hilarious.
01:36It's crazy.
01:36If I was to do that, oh, my.
01:38Could you imagine?
01:40Could you imagine the double standard of this?
01:42I don't think they'd get through the front door.
01:44Yeah, they wouldn't.
01:46Honestly, I'm wondering why Dakota's even here right now.
01:48I mean, it's a couple's trip, and our husbands are here.
01:51They're helping with our babies.
01:52His kid isn't here, so I don't feel like there's a need for him to be here.
01:56If, like, you're going to be upset that Harry's coming tonight, then, I'm sorry, take the flight back.
02:01Wait, how do you know who's a good swing?
02:03You don't.
02:03Well, that's why it's trial and error.
02:06And Big Joe Smith doesn't like that.
02:08Wait, who?
02:09Joseph Smith?
02:10Oh, Joseph Smith.
02:12Knock in the day, you guys can polygamy, but.
02:14Oh, okay, yeah.
02:15Wait, who's that?
02:16Who's polygamy?
02:17Do you know what polygamy is?
02:18Is that a person?
02:19No.
02:20What?
02:20What?
02:22What?
02:24What?
02:25Dude, he must be so funny.
02:27Oh, my God.
02:29I'm joking.
02:30You're not joking.
02:31You're not.
02:31I hear that was truthful.
02:34Oh, my gosh.
02:35So, you guys want to sit?
02:36Or do you want to sit?
02:36Yeah.
02:37Plenty of seats over here, guys.
02:39Yeah, we can make room.
02:40I'll stand up.
02:40There's plenty of seats.
02:41Come on.
02:41If I would react really poorly in this situation right now, I know that Taylor would get so
02:46much satisfaction from this.
02:48Like, she would eat it up.
02:49Because that's her whole goal all the time with me.
02:51And so, I think by just playing this off really cool, just kind of like, whatever, I think
02:57that will piss her off.
03:00When did you move to America?
03:02Uh, 2019.
03:04Wow.
03:04Wait, where are you from?
03:06England?
03:07No.
03:08Right at the top of Australia.
03:09Oh, I know you're from Australia.
03:10Okay.
03:11Australia?
03:11Midland, nowhere.
03:12Oh, shit.
03:12I didn't know that.
03:13Yeah.
03:13Yeah, I'm from Idaho originally.
03:15Wait, how did you meet this bunch?
03:16Uh, I moved to Utah.
03:18Okay.
03:18Yeah.
03:19Crazy.
03:19I know.
03:20Fun, huh?
03:21So, inviting Harry over, I'm just, like, trying to have fun and, like, put myself back
03:25out there, and so it's annoying that Harry and Dakota end up hitting it off.
03:29It's bullshit.
03:30It's all bullshit.
03:31Yeah, it's been wild, dude.
03:32It's a wild ride.
03:33It's been a wild ride.
03:34Utah, like, Mormons, everyone shares everyone.
03:37It's really weird.
03:37This is one of my baby daddies, by the way.
03:40Hell yeah.
03:41Fun.
03:42He's like, what the hell?
03:43I have another one back in Utah as well, and then I'm going to go on the bachelorette and
03:46probably find my third.
03:48The initial plan to have Harry come over was for Taylor to get a little bit of flirting
03:54practice.
03:54He's the perfect person for it, but the awkwardness is palpable.
03:59I think we're all asking ourselves, why is Dakota even here?
04:03But are you not dating anyone else here?
04:06No.
04:06No, he just got back from the villa.
04:07He had a lot of fun out there.
04:09What's the villa?
04:09Vanderpump Villa.
04:10Oh, I was going to do that.
04:11Wait, are you serious?
04:12Like, recently or, like, at one point?
04:14No, recently.
04:15Oh, shit.
04:15I was meant to go out, but then they're like, but you might have sex with everyone.
04:18I'm like, oh, I can't.
04:19Yeah, ask Dakota about that.
04:20He knows all about it in the bathroom.
04:21Well, I wasn't proud of it, but yeah, it led to that moment.
04:25But to be fair, I actually tried not to.
04:30It was like, do or drink was the game.
04:33Who gives a fuck?
04:35Dakota does.
04:37Taylor, it's just the vindictive stuff you do.
04:39Why do you care?
04:40I'm not your girlfriend.
04:40Why do you care?
04:41Because you get hurt.
04:42If I was your girlfriend or your wife, I'd understand, but I'm not.
04:44And then you cry about everything I do.
04:46It's like, oh, a girl says hi to me, and you cry about it.
04:49So it's like, I don't understand how you come at me for anything.
04:52When did that happen?
04:52What do you mean?
04:53Every day.
04:54Taylor and Dakota start fighting.
04:56It's background noise to me at this point.
04:58But Harry, poor guy, over there, his first exposure to all of this, by the way,
05:04and he was mortified.
05:07Mortified.
05:08And rightfully so.
05:08So I forget how jarring it is.
05:11If anyone cries between you and I, it's you.
05:13I'm going to cry right now.
05:14Shit, dude.
05:15I'm going to cry right now.
05:16This is what I'm saying.
05:17I'm always like, this is why I'm always crying.
05:19Well, he normally is not allowed to come around because he does this.
05:22Does what?
05:23You're annoying.
05:24What did I do?
05:26You open your mouth.
05:27You know exactly what you said.
05:33I was hoping that Taylor just wouldn't get into a Dakota,
05:36maybe just have a night where he doesn't piss her off.
05:39However, I don't think anyone, any person can stop this man from getting under her skin.
05:45I just don't think it's possible.
05:46This is crazy.
05:48No, this is great.
05:48But I'm going to go home.
05:49Oh, you're going to go home?
05:50Wait, wait.
05:51Guys, no, this is the best day of my life.
05:54Oh, my God.
05:55You're going to go home.
05:55Don't feel obligated to stay.
05:57Go home.
05:57I'll walk you out.
05:58Okay.
05:59I really did want to enjoy the time with, like, Harry.
06:01I was trying to get in the mindset of, like, the Bachelorette, you know?
06:04But I feel like, yeah, Dakota definitely threw me off.
06:06So I'd like to talk to him about that so I can actually be in the headspace I need to
06:09be in,
06:10going into this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
06:12Okay, well, thank you for coming.
06:14Okay, we'll see you.
06:14Thanks so much, guys.
06:15Have a good night.
06:16Bye.
06:17Bye.
06:19Holy shit.
06:41I'll bring you to your knees, baby.
06:44Bye.
06:53Bye.
06:55Bye.
07:26Okay, we're going to go wake the girls up for breakfast.
07:29See if they wanted some brekkie.
07:32Ew.
07:41There's only one thing that's worse than seeing Dakota naked, and that's seeing Taylor
07:45right fucking next to him.
07:47I am absolutely petrified right now, and I think I'm going to return to church.
07:50I think I need some holy water to cleanse my eyes, because I think they're burned out
07:53of my fucking head.
07:55All right, you dirtbags.
07:57What the fuck?
07:58What the fuck?
08:00Taylor.
08:00Why are you guys up already?
08:02This is our only day we get to sleep in, and you guys took it and woke up?
08:05She has a baby, and respectfully, I can't sleep past 9 a.m.
08:08Why are you in bed with him?
08:10Oh, what?
08:11What?
08:12So he's like, F him, I'm done, he's disgusting, I'll never sleep with him again, and like
08:16a day later, she has slept with him.
08:18It's just mind-blowing at this point.
08:20Like, my brain can't comprehend this madness anymore.
08:22So did you guys just, like, study the Bible last night, or what did you do?
08:25Actually, yeah.
08:27I did my Bible somewhere later, huh?
08:28Yeah.
08:29I didn't want to see them in there.
08:31I'm grossed out.
08:32I'm not even trying to be a bitch.
08:34I'm just trying to understand, like, why you guys, like, literally fight and roast each
08:38other, and then have sex after.
08:40Like, is it like a weird toxic kink?
08:42It wasn't even, like, planned.
08:43I don't think about it.
08:45Taylor, why are you in bed with Dakota?
08:47Why did you sleep with him?
08:49Because I'm an idiot.
08:50I'm an idiot.
08:51I'm an idiot.
08:52That's, there's no other words.
08:54It's a cycle.
08:55It's a vicious, vicious cycle.
08:57I think anyone in a toxic relationship, a trauma bond, it is one of the most difficult
09:02things to get out of, and I would have never understood that unless I had lived it.
09:06At this rate, I'm just concerned for both of you, actually.
09:09Just, like, I'm just trying to understand, even for you, Dakota, too, because I know Taylor
09:12loves the toxic, and I'm assuming you must, too, you know?
09:17Yeah.
09:18I've always loved Taylor.
09:20I just, it's, yeah.
09:22Last night, I saw him walk by the room, and then I was like, oh, that's, like, Ever's
09:28walk.
09:28Like, Ever walks like his dad, and so it's, ah, that was all I want to talk about.
09:32I just get so emotional, because I'm so sad.
09:35When I look at my son, it's just like, that's, like, part of Dakota.
09:39So we just sat, and we were talking.
09:40In the middle of the night, like, yes, like, he tries, I cave.
09:43I don't know.
09:44It's just, I don't know.
09:46It's confusing.
09:47And I know that going into The Bachelorette, I understand it doesn't look the best.
09:52This isn't going to end well.
09:53This is just going to be a lot of hurt, guys, and you guys have already hurt each other a
09:56lot.
10:01I, like, castled in the door, his, like, arms around her, and he's, like, scratching her arm.
10:05Taylor and Dakota, you're so full of shit.
10:08It's, like, so awkward, though.
10:10I'm, like, it's just not healthy, and it's, like, you're never, it's never going to change.
10:14So it's, like, how can we, like, help you guys?
10:16Like, what do you need us to, like, do?
10:18None of us can say anything.
10:20Yeah.
10:20Like, if you guys were contestants on The Bachelorette, and you found out that the girl slept with
10:24her ex.
10:25What was her ex?
10:26Her baby daddy.
10:26Her baby daddy.
10:28Oh, I would be dressed.
10:29Yeah.
10:29Yeah.
10:30That's what I thought.
10:31Taylor and Dakota are both each other's addictions.
10:35Jealousy, possessiveness, and it goes both ways.
10:37But it is hard, I feel like, on MomTalk, because we've all tried so hard to help her.
10:42But, like, at this point, it's, like, I don't even know what to do.
10:45Even though they want to say, it's just sex.
10:47It's not just sex.
10:47It's not.
10:49I feel like we're parents right now.
10:51I know.
10:52I feel like we're parents, and we don't know what to do with our kids.
10:54I know.
10:55They're older than us.
10:56I don't know.
10:56Taylor's a little older than me, too, and Dakota.
10:58I'm, like, whatever.
10:59I'm 24.
10:59Why am I schooling her right now?
11:04Hey.
11:05Hi.
11:06Oliver, do you have two minutes?
11:08Yes.
11:08So, we wanted to give you a not-so-great update.
11:12So, King's English in Salt Lake City, Utah, is very upset.
11:18The sales aren't great.
11:19The publisher, at this point, is not happy.
11:22I'll just be honest with you.
11:24Okay.
11:26They're not happy.
11:28They've written us so many times, and they feel like, you know,
11:33if we're just being completely honest with you,
11:35they feel like you're not making the book a priority.
11:38Yeah, well, okay.
11:41That's fine.
11:41I mean, I have some thoughts.
11:42I mean, I just had a baby, so I'm, like, okay.
11:46My memoir, Told You So, is coming on in a few weeks.
11:49I have my book tour event in Salt Lake next week, and I am super excited.
11:52Jessie is going to host my tour stop in Salt Lake.
11:55This book means so much more to me than anything that I've ever done.
11:59But now, the publisher is upset, and some of the book tour stops are a little upset
12:03because I haven't posted enough for the tour stops, and we need to sell more tickets.
12:07And honestly, I'm feeling really stressed out.
12:09I feel like I have so much on my plate right now, and I'm just so spread thin.
12:12So, they wrote an email to the publisher, and they're like,
12:16the sales have completely stalled.
12:18Like, how could this be happening?
12:20This is her hometown.
12:21We really need to get the sales up.
12:24And in the meantime, we are canceling the venue and going to a smaller venue
12:29because this is going to cost us.
12:33Go ahead.
12:36As a Mormon, as someone who's kind of breaking the rules and kind of not being in the best
12:41situation in their life, feeling like they're at rock bottom, I just didn't feel like I was
12:45ever going to recover from that.
12:46So, I wrote this book for the person who felt like me, where they felt like life was over,
12:50like they could never be successful.
12:51And so, it's really hard when you have people coming to you saying like, oh, you're not
12:55doing enough.
12:56Where I'm like, I literally feel like I'm giving my all and like more, and I feel like
12:59there's nothing left of me to give.
13:01As much success MomTalk has brought me, I don't know how to balance everything between
13:05friendships, my relationship with my husband, my children, my book tour, social media, running
13:10a business.
13:11It's just so much to balance.
13:13It's so hard, and it's starting to worry me.
13:16We're the messengers, Maisie, but we know you're doing a lot, and we know you're bouncing
13:20around, and we get it.
13:21Yeah, no, I'm tired, so I'm like...
13:24I know, I know.
13:25I'm like, I just don't know what to do.
13:30Oh, Miranda slept all by herself.
13:32Good morning, sunshine.
13:34I slept outside by the pool.
13:35Oh, yeah, I'm sure you did.
13:37Or you got kidnapped and dicked down by Dakota.
13:40I'm like, huh?
13:41Do I have credit?
13:42Yes, I always do.
13:44It's fair to say that there's a wound there of, like, if the only man in my life that
13:49was supposed to love me didn't love me, then who's going to love me, like, when they walk
13:52away?
13:52My dad, obviously, like, my ex-husband.
13:54But then you have Dakota, where no matter what, my mistakes, his mistakes, I always come
13:59number one, and he always chooses me at the end of the day.
14:02So, yeah, it does get confusing, for sure.
14:04Speaking of Dakota, I was going to ask you if you thought about using protection or the
14:12bachelorette, because what if you got pregnant?
14:13Because what if I did use it?
14:15What if you didn't?
14:17But what if?
14:18I'm asking you to do it.
14:27I thought about using protection or the bachelorette, because what if you got pregnant?
14:32The church used to frown upon the idea of birth control?
14:37That was years and years and years ago.
14:40Now, there's nothing against it.
14:42So, Taylor is reckless having unprotected sex with her baby daddy.
14:47Not okay.
14:48But I track.
14:49You guys know this.
14:49I track.
14:50I track.
14:50I track.
14:50I know.
14:51I know.
14:51But the fact that you're about to date 30 men and you claim, I won't sleep with that.
14:56You're probably likely going to at least sleep with one of them.
14:59Yeah.
15:00I think the girls, you know, get a little nervous that I could obviously have a potential
15:05pregnancy, but I am not a fan of birth control.
15:08I've always tracked and I don't want something else in my body messing with my hormones.
15:12Us as women already deal with that so much just naturally.
15:16Adding in more things from both ends.
15:18Medications, birth control would, I think, even make it harder.
15:21I hate condoms, though.
15:22I mean, so do I.
15:23But you...
15:23Oh, my God.
15:24Which one is it?
15:26Circumstance matters.
15:27You are about to be the bachelorette and you already have...
15:30That is the only argument you guys have right now.
15:32We're just looking out for you.
15:33I would just hate for you to lose out on opportunities.
15:36Our intentions are pure.
15:37We just want Taylor to have the best out of this experience and her just being so nonchalant
15:41that, like, if I'm pregnant, like, ha-ha.
15:42I'm like, uh, it's not ha-ha because I have one kid that's a pull-out game baby.
15:48If you got pregnant, like, I don't know that the network or the men would want a pregnant bachelorette.
15:53No, I get that.
15:54Absolutely.
15:55And I would just hate for that to, like, ruin your future and think great things you have
15:59coming, you know?
16:01And a third baby daddy, if it wasn't Dakota's.
16:04And if it was Dakota's, that would also be shitty.
16:07Actually, anyone on the right wing.
16:08The worst is crazy.
16:17Oh, D-Dog!
16:21What are you doing, dude?
16:24Oh, D-Dog!
16:25Yesterday was the premiere of Dancing with the Stars, and all of MomTalk was there to
16:30support me.
16:31It's just so crazy because just a few months ago, I felt very strongly that I was never
16:35going to be welcomed back into this group ever again, especially with Macy and Michaela.
16:40But my relationship with MomTalk is stronger than it's ever been.
16:43How are you?
16:46The party is a ride, I know.
16:48Demi came to the premiere of Dancing with the Stars, but she's taking a step away from
16:54MomTalk.
16:54I worked my ass off trying to integrate myself and Demi back into MomTalk.
16:58So seeing the group break apart, yeah, it sucks.
17:03Congratulations, by the way.
17:04I'm seeing you at the top of everyone's ranking list.
17:07Yeah, it's fun watching the TikToks, and all the fans are like, Whitney's my number one.
17:11Whitney's my number one.
17:12I'm like, that's right.
17:14It's so incredible that everyone's getting these opportunities and going out and living
17:18their dreams, but my health has held me back from saying yes to a lot of opportunities.
17:23It's definitely discouraging and frustrating, and it kind of holds me back from other places
17:29in my life, like my marriage with Jace.
17:31You just dance all day long, pretty much?
17:33I literally just got awkward.
17:33Look at her app.
17:34Oh my gosh, dude, dancing is such a...
17:37Dancing's actually freaking hard.
17:39Uh-huh.
17:40Okay, you guys want to go get some hot dogs?
17:41I feel like we should go hit up Pink's.
17:44So the dads are just kind of wanting to get away, do a little boys thing.
17:47We decide to all leave and get some hot dogs, because there's obviously nothing more manly
17:51than that.
17:52I call the back.
17:54I call the middle.
17:55Short leg.
17:56Short leg king.
17:59Did you hear like Harry Jowsey came over?
18:02I heard a roar that he was going to be invited.
18:04Right, and he was cool.
18:05Like, I got along with a girl.
18:06I was like, oh shit, all right.
18:07Oh, he's a cool guy.
18:08Yeah, so it was fun, and I think that pissed Taylor off more.
18:11Was that your 3D chest?
18:12That was, like, yeah.
18:12You're trying to make me jealous.
18:14I'm about to make you mad.
18:14Right, I was like, watch this shit, dude.
18:15I'm about to bring my queen out.
18:17And ended up with Taylor somehow in my bed, dude, believe it or not.
18:20What?
18:20At the end of the night, yep.
18:22Called me all night, dude.
18:23Wait, why am I disappointed, Dakota?
18:26Because there's a lot of disappointments somehow.
18:27Was it just holding?
18:29A little.
18:30No, be honest.
18:31We wrestled for a sec.
18:32But the job, we got done.
18:34It finished the job.
18:36Something, okay.
18:37What are we doing?
18:38What do you want to get?
18:39I don't know what I want, dude.
18:40All I know is it was a confusing shit.
18:43Because she's never nice to me, when she is, I'm like, this is awesome.
18:48I love when you're nice to me.
18:50Sounds like codependency.
18:51Well, there's more to it than just that as well.
18:53Clearly you guys have connection.
18:55Right, yeah.
18:56It's a lot more.
18:58There's so much to our dynamic, and I think that's why it's so hard.
19:02Why?
19:02Dakota Taylor.
19:07It feels like a trauma bond.
19:09From the start to where things are at now, them being together isn't healthy.
19:14What do you want, man?
19:15Well, I mean, if we were done right now and I didn't have a kid with her,
19:18then I would freaking completely cut her out of my life in like two seconds.
19:22You think you would do that?
19:23Yeah, 100%.
19:24Yeah, dude, just in the kid aspect, it feels like it tied my soul to her forever.
19:28Well, it did in a way.
19:30Yeah, exactly.
19:31That's what I'm saying.
19:31So it's like, it feels different.
19:33Like, I'm like, damn.
19:35You know, Taylor's going to leave for The Bachelorette.
19:37And that's like another reason why I think I'm kind of stressed.
19:41I don't know.
19:42It just feels kind of crazy.
19:44I feel like she's low-key.
19:45It sounds like she's keeping you on a leash.
19:48It's like a six-inch leash.
19:49Well, yeah, I feel like you're the one who is keeping the collar on.
19:56If you want the collar, keep the collar.
19:58Or you can just rip it off.
19:59Hey, dude, don't be doing fucking fist bumps in front of my face like that, dude.
20:02You keep that shit to yourself, bro.
20:04You're like, fuck yeah, dude.
20:05He's like, I want the best for you.
20:07Yeah, he's like, fuck this guy.
20:08No, and I'm giving her the power.
20:10Yes, bro, I give her all the power.
20:13You're a dog with thumbs.
20:14Yeah, anytime I've taken...
20:16Great analogy.
20:18There you go, guys.
20:20Bro, I'm hungry.
20:21Well, we're getting hot dogs right now.
20:22Oh, yeah, we are.
20:23Okay, cool.
20:23You're in the perfect vehicle for that.
20:32It's cute.
20:32I've never been here.
20:33The Henry.
20:34Oh, the Henry.
20:35Yes, I know this guy.
20:36Oh, the Henry.
20:37Henry, that's what we were saying last night.
20:38Henry.
20:39So fancy.
20:40We are getting a little lunch in L.A.
20:43Jessie's not with us because her and Jordan are in New York
20:45because Jessie's winning an award.
20:47Jen is going to meet us later,
20:49but we're having so much fun getting out.
20:51Could we do some truffle fries?
20:54Oh, the farmers want truffle fries?
20:56I know.
20:57I'll get that started.
20:59Why is Jessie Palmer here?
21:01What?
21:02Wait, what?
21:03Like the host for Bachelorette?
21:05Wait, what?
21:06What?
21:07He's right there.
21:08Where?
21:09Right there.
21:11We see Jessie Palmer, the host of The Bachelorette,
21:14and we're all like, what are the odds?
21:16Honestly, we thought we were being like set out for like,
21:18whoa, what's going on here?
21:19Is there a surprise?
21:20But no.
21:21Hello.
21:22Oh.
21:24So this is super weird.
21:26I was literally just in the coffee shop.
21:28Oh, my God.
21:29He saw, obviously, some filming and us around,
21:32and so he was like, what's going on?
21:33I promise I'm meant to talk to you.
21:35It was great.
21:35It was great.
21:36This is absolutely meant to be.
21:37How's everybody doing?
21:38Good.
21:39My wife and I are huge fans of you all.
21:42So this is really, really neat.
21:43I am so excited.
21:45For the upcoming journey.
21:46How are you feeling?
21:46I'm excited, nervous, and I don't really know what to expect.
21:50You are going to be absolutely amazing,
21:51and I know that right now they're putting together
21:53just an incredible group of guys.
21:55Three of the meets were really exciting.
21:57Can we send you a list of guys
21:58that you're absolutely not allowed to let in?
22:00Yes, absolutely.
22:01Give me the list.
22:02I'm like, I have a few.
22:03One starts with a C, one starts with a D.
22:05I think she's definitely telling herself
22:07that it's not as big as a deal to sleep with him
22:10as like it is.
22:12It's a huge deal.
22:13I just want to see her happy.
22:15I want to see her healthy.
22:16I want to see her healed.
22:17And with the Bachelorette coming up,
22:19I feel like Taylor's chaotic energy
22:21will definitely rub off and reflect on Montauk.
22:24Anyways, I will see you soon.
22:25Very soon.
22:26At the mansion, I guess.
22:27I guess.
22:28Okay.
22:29Really excited.
22:30All right, guys, have fun.
22:31See you.
22:32Wait, that's a while.
22:34It's fake.
22:34That's crazy.
22:35That's your sign the shop's living with Jacare.
22:36Yes, that's your sign.
22:37There you go.
22:38Wait, what?
22:40Wait, what?
22:41Oh, she's looking at the last night.
22:44Taylor.
22:45Frankie Paul.
22:46That's everyone's reaction.
22:47I honestly wasn't even mad.
22:48I wanted to cry.
22:49I was so sad, honestly.
22:51It is confusing, but it's a pill we both have to swallow.
22:53Like, this is never going to work.
22:54But it is hard when you didn't necessarily want it, right?
22:56Like, I don't know.
22:58I have to do it.
22:58I know I do.
22:59It's just hard.
23:00Yeah.
23:00Well, she has to before she goes on The Bachelorette,
23:02which is coming up in less than a month.
23:04I do believe she's on The Bachelorette for the right reasons.
23:07I really do.
23:08I think she wants to have that lifelong partner.
23:10I think she longs for that.
23:11But I don't think Taylor feels like she deserves happiness.
23:14I just don't want you to sabotage this opportunity to move on
23:18and find someone who respects you and treats you super well.
23:21I don't want you to ruin that for yourself
23:23because you're sleeping with your baby daddy.
23:25Yeah.
23:26Yeah.
23:27I think if she is really serious about being The Bachelorette,
23:30it is very important that she has a conversation with Dakota
23:33and cuts it off completely
23:35because it could throw a real wrench in things.
23:39I think this will be good, though.
23:41A next chapter.
23:42Because I don't have a choice, you know?
23:54I was really nervous going into my routine,
23:58but the minute I hit the dance floor
24:01and seeing Mom Talk cheer for me,
24:04just having their support meant everything to me.
24:06Oh, they're trying to hold hands.
24:08Oh.
24:09Oh, hi.
24:12I didn't realize how much I miss the girls.
24:14I wish I wasn't rehearsing so much
24:17so I could have more time with them.
24:19Jen, great job last night.
24:21Yeah.
24:21I want that mirror ball, baby.
24:23Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
24:25I've been definitely trying to rebuild my friendship with Whitney,
24:29especially being in L.A. and being on the same journey.
24:32Right?
24:33Yeah.
24:34Oh.
24:35It's from all the stress.
24:36Stress and dancing.
24:38And dancing.
24:39But we're both feeling a bit competitive
24:41and also with the whole world trying to pin us both against each other,
24:45it makes it extra hard.
24:48Wait, why is Jessie in New York?
24:50She won an award.
24:52She what?
24:52She won the Page Six Awards for, like, the best boss, babe.
24:56Oh, that's awesome.
24:57Crazy, I know.
24:58Wow, that's so cool.
24:59I'm so proud of everyone in MomTalk right now.
25:01I feel like everyone is really just going after their dreams.
25:03And it definitely does make me think about future ambitions that I have.
25:06My lifelong goal has always been to be a model.
25:09It's something that I've dreamed of since I was a little girl.
25:11So I want to really try to hone in on that.
25:14Your book comes out in October, right?
25:16Yeah.
25:16Like, that weekend?
25:17Like, October 10th?
25:18Yeah, so it'll be like an event.
25:20It'll be more like a live event, though, like, where I have, like, a host.
25:23And, like, they ask questions.
25:24Right.
25:25I asked Jessie if she wanted to host it.
25:26Yeah.
25:27Because I just said, she's like, I like hosting.
25:29And she can do that for, like, career stuff, too.
25:31Just kind of like I do.
25:31And she's good.
25:32So I was like, oh, yeah, I want to do it.
25:33And she's like, yeah.
25:34And then we were supposed to do an Unwell event.
25:36Me, Michaela, Jessie.
25:38Uh-huh.
25:38The Unwell, like, Call Her Daddy thing.
25:40Yeah.
25:40And then it's supposed to be on the 11th, but they moved it to the 10th.
25:43Recently, me, Michaela, and Jessie got invited by Alex Cooper from Call Her Daddy to do her
25:48Unwell tour in Vegas.
25:49And it just so happens that the day of the Unwell tour is the same day of my book tour
25:53stop in Salt Lake.
25:54Okay.
25:55And so now I think she texted me today saying, like, that she was basically choosing that
25:59over hosting the book thing for me.
26:02I don't know.
26:03It kind of sucks.
26:04Sad.
26:05But.
26:06Yeah.
26:07It's just a, it just feels shitty, but that's okay.
26:11Well, don't do that, because when you say it's okay, then you invalidate yourself.
26:15It's like.
26:16No, I know.
26:16No, I just like saying.
26:17I don't mix up too much.
26:18I'm saying, I know how you feel about it.
26:19You can say, you know what?
26:21That really hurt my feelings.
26:22Yeah.
26:23And you have every right to feel that way.
26:25Listen, I understand all of us spreading our wings and wanting to have our individual
26:29success, but you've already told one of your best friends that you were going to be
26:35there, Macy's hurt.
26:38I get that.
26:39It's just hard, because I don't want her to, like, lose that, like, an opportunity for
26:42herself to do it.
26:43I know, but you're missing the point, is that a commitment was already made, so you're
26:46choosing something that looks better than the commitment you already made.
26:51Yeah.
26:52I just hope that Jessie chooses her friends over the opportunities and the fame, because
26:57I think the fame might be starting to get to some of the women's head, and it's starting
27:02to pull mom talk apart.
27:04I don't know.
27:04For me, it's just not a question.
27:06I'm like, if your friend has something, and, like, this is not as important, to be honest.
27:09I mean, this is kind of a bigger deal than Unwell.
27:12Like, by far.
27:33I mean, who would have thought that mom talk and dad talk would all be together once again
27:38in this beautiful L.A. mansion, minus Jessie and Jordan.
27:41The boys calling this a dad talk trip, really, honestly, it doesn't bug me, because we all
27:45know what you're really here for, and that's to watch the children so we can go to Dancing
27:49with the Stars.
27:50Taylor, do you want to offer us a prayer over the food?
27:53No.
27:53No.
27:54Sorry.
27:54I said good, because I'm starting now.
27:56Okay.
27:57I'm starving.
27:58Do you guys ever feel like we're like a dysfunctional family?
28:02Yeah.
28:02Yeah.
28:04Yeah.
28:05Yeah.
28:06True.
28:08Yeah.
28:09Yeah.
28:10It is, though.
28:11Taylor and Dakota are sitting next to each other at the dinner table.
28:13I mean, it's weird.
28:16It's, like, awkward.
28:17I honestly can't just sit here and pretend it's okay.
28:19You know what we're all so tired of?
28:21I don't.
28:22Is people sleeping with the wrong people.
28:23Uh-uh, Macy.
28:24I knew you were going to bring that one up.
28:25I'm just going to say it.
28:26It's a pattern at this point.
28:27But does it affect you as a whole?
28:29Yeah.
28:30I really hope that my sex life doesn't always affect you guys.
28:33It does.
28:33It makes me really sad.
28:34A slow tear went like this.
28:35Really?
28:36No, it didn't.
28:37Macy's on your team.
28:38I know.
28:39This relationship has been draining my soul for the last three years.
28:42And so, it's hard supporting her time and time again when she keeps doing the same
28:46thing over and over that she says she's not going to do.
28:48She's trying to, like, help you get to what you want.
28:50Yeah.
28:51That's why I don't like telling her.
28:52Because I'm like, I don't want to hear the right things.
28:54Uh, Dakota heard all the right things from Connor today.
28:57What?
28:58Yeah, dude.
28:59Connor lit me up today.
29:01Oh, my gosh.
29:02Tell me about it.
29:02He was just, uh, I just don't think I've ever seen that side of Connor.
29:04So, it was, like, hilarious.
29:06What was he saying?
29:06He was like, feels like Taylor has you on a leash.
29:09And Dakota's like, yeah, like, I think that's it.
29:12The collar you have, like, you, you're the one who can take it off.
29:15And he said something about that.
29:16And I was like, oh, that was good.
29:18No, it was a great analogy.
29:20Why?
29:20Because it was accurate or what?
29:22Yes, Taylor.
29:24That is, that is why it was a good analogy.
29:27Like, see how simple that was to just be honest?
29:29What?
29:29Shit.
29:31Yeah, I mean, I don't really care.
29:32Yeah, you do.
29:33No, I don't.
29:35Taylor doesn't want to give me, you know, the satisfaction of her being kind or nice to me.
29:41She, like, always has to push me away.
29:43She's just so guarded.
29:44But I actually feel like she does love me a lot.
29:48I think she still wants to be with me.
29:51I just feel like she thinks that she can't be with me or, like, it's impossible to be with me.
29:58I was like, okay, I'm good.
30:17The publisher called me in there saying that, like, this Salt Lake venue is, like, really mad at me.
30:21Apparently it hasn't sold enough tickets.
30:24Do you feel stressed?
30:26No.
30:26Stress for you.
30:27Stop it.
30:31Also, you can tell Jessie how you feel.
30:33Again, they're picking, like, business over a friend.
30:36I think you need to let people pick a stance on it.
30:38You don't need to react over the top.
30:42But you also need to have a good enough response in letting Jessie know, like, how you feel without, like,
30:49letting her off the hook.
30:51It's not like I need to keep her on the hook either, though.
30:53It's just like...
30:54She needs to know that, like, she picked it over you.
30:59Jacob is very protective over me and was really upset when Winnie didn't come to my baby mama event in
31:04the past and he knows how much that hurt me.
31:06I've been working on this, like, endlessly for the last two and a half years.
31:10I don't want to stress you out, but have you talked to Winnie at all?
31:12Oh, no.
31:14I don't know how you can focus when your best friend is not here.
31:18I don't know if DadTalk is a great influence on him because he has been a little more vocal in
31:23getting involved in things in my business.
31:25I'm like, I know he has good intentions.
31:27I know he's trying to help me.
31:28I know he wants us to succeed.
31:29But it's so exhausting.
31:31You got to be fast with these things.
31:33That way you have more time for people to know.
31:34Because if you're not posting every three days, like, that's just wasted time.
31:38You should write something super personal to all your girls, really emotional to, like, have them really connect to the
31:43book.
31:44I am the breadwinner in the relationship.
31:47He helps with the kids so much, but also, like, he needs to work to feel that fulfillment.
31:52And so I think that's why he is so passionate about helping me with my businesses and things like that.
31:57But I get annoyed because he's over explaining and he's overwhelming me.
32:00But sometimes it comes off to me like, oh, you're not doing enough.
32:03I'm already stressed out about the tickets not selling well for the book tour.
32:07And then the Jessie stuff that I have to deal with that I don't really want to confront.
32:11And so I'm like, just get off my back.
32:14I don't need help with you telling me what to do.
32:16I need help with people helping me make it happen.
32:19Like, that's...
32:19I'm trying to just, like, help you be more organized, but then also, like, ideas for you and for the
32:23book.
32:24Like, not...
32:24What I'm saying is, is, like, unless they're put into action, that's the problem.
32:28I don't have time to put into action.
32:29I'm not going to do anything into action because you, like, don't give me the respect and, like...
32:33What do you mean? What respect?
32:34This is about the respect of, like, us being creative together and you actually using my help and then being
32:39respectful to the ideas that I have back.
32:40What do you mean? What am I not respectful?
32:42All the time.
32:42I never am disrespectful.
32:44It's not disrespectful, but it's like, I'm not going to spend my time helping when it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
32:47okay.
32:48I feel like me and Macy are a little bit different than the typical Mormon.
32:51Men get the priesthood when they're 12 years old in the church and women don't.
32:54You know, the priesthood should be the ultimate decision maker for things in the house, but I'm not going to
32:58be an asshole and make decisions for it.
33:00I'm not trying to be toxic and try and take things that aren't mine.
33:03I try and give her solutions and I try and help.
33:05I feel like that's what a husband should do.
33:07And that's the number one thing that I care most about, is that Macy's not going to be walked all
33:10over when it comes to business, friends, work, everything.
33:14This is my, this is my thing.
33:15Whatever, you don't even know.
33:17No, since you haven't done anything in the past.
33:18What are you talking about?
33:19You're being annoying.
33:35We're back.
33:36Oh, my gosh.
33:37Hello.
33:39How was it?
33:40Hey, guys.
33:41Welcome back.
33:41Oh, my gosh.
33:42Are you barbecuing?
33:43Yes.
33:44Hi.
33:45Let us celebrate you.
33:46It was fun.
33:47It was, thank you.
33:48It was incredible.
33:48It was so fun.
33:49But it was like so fun.
33:50In and out, like so fast.
33:51New York was so much fun.
33:53The awards show was amazing.
33:54I won the Boss Babe Award and I won it over Kim Kardashian, which is so surreal.
33:59Being known as a successful business woman means everything to me because I put my heart and soul into my
34:04businesses.
34:05So I'm really glad I went and it was such an incredible opportunity.
34:08You deserve it, though.
34:09You do.
34:09You're literally a workaholic.
34:11You work so hard.
34:11For that specific category, I'm like, I did earn this.
34:14100%.
34:15It was Boss Babe.
34:15Oh, literally.
34:17Yes.
34:17It makes sense.
34:18Yeah.
34:19Things do feel like a little bit awkward with Jessie because I didn't respond to her right
34:24away when she did text me that she wasn't going to do my book tour.
34:26Jacob does think I should confront it and talk to her about it, so I don't feel like
34:29any feelings of resentment.
34:31But I don't want to create drama or have issues.
34:33So for now, I think I'm just going to leave it be and not bring it up and I'll get
34:37over
34:37it eventually.
34:38What did you guys do yesterday?
34:42I got bitched out most of the day.
34:43Why?
34:44Did you sleep with him?
34:47Wait, what?
34:47He did say that.
34:49Taylor!
34:50It's just wild to me that I wasn't even gone for 24 hours and she managed to slip back
34:55into his bed again.
34:56The grip that Dakota has on Taylor is really concerning, especially because the bachelorette's
35:00just a few weeks away and we need to get her ready.
35:03We saw Jessie Palmer.
35:05And he's like, there's nothing you can do to prepare for this, just by the way.
35:07Okay.
35:08I was like, any advice?
35:09He's like, sleep with your ex.
35:10That's the best way to prepare.
35:11No.
35:12I have had conversations with her in the past where she knows that she wants to choose
35:17to be healthy and happy and better.
35:18But I think her behavior stems from a deeper issue.
35:22He walked by my room and it looked like Everest walk and I was like, oh my gosh, that's so
35:26sad.
35:27Yeah.
35:27I don't even want to talk about it because it's so hard.
35:29But it was hard for me and I was just crying and I was like, I just missed, like, obviously
35:32I want my baby.
35:32I'm like, sad.
35:33We're in a broken home.
35:36This isn't just about sex for you.
35:38I think you feel like your core wound is like you're unlovable because of your dad.
35:41And I think that Dakota made you feel that way as well.
35:44And you're trying to, like, fix the relationship with your dad and him in one subconsciously.
35:48That's just how I see it.
35:50And I think that since Dakota did this to you, it made you feel unlovable.
35:54It triggered that wound.
35:55So you're trying to go to get that validation.
35:56Yeah.
35:58So with my biological dad, there's been really no relationship at all.
36:01I met him one time when I was four.
36:03That is it.
36:04And he obviously, like, didn't, you know, want me.
36:07There is a wound there that subconsciously you weren't enough for them to stay.
36:11Like, I was an option to my dad and now I'm an option to Dakota.
36:14Because of the trauma, I have lost faith to find my person and the man of my dreams.
36:19And so I think the only way to do that is to work through this.
36:22With Dakota, I always felt there was lies.
36:24I always could feel it.
36:25And then you ended up being right every time.
36:26Yes.
36:26So it just confirms, like, everything.
36:28If you can lie to your so-called love of your life for three years in the eyes as they're
36:32begging you,
36:33I'm crying.
36:33I am the mother of your child.
36:35No.
36:36How are you doing?
36:38Are you doing all right?
36:39I'm okay.
36:40I just...
36:41I get it, dude.
36:42Like, I know the thing I even did.
36:43It was stupid.
36:44It was fucking dumb.
36:45That just seems like you're going through the ringer, dude.
36:46Like, back and forth emotionally.
36:48Dude.
36:49I don't think you need that.
36:50No, I don't.
36:51You don't.
36:52Like, that's not healthy for you.
36:53This will never change.
36:55Yeah.
36:55You're gonna always fucking hate me.
36:57She's gonna be stuck in that until she feels like you understand the hurt and pain.
37:02Yeah.
37:02You can tell that there's a lot of love for you underneath.
37:06Yeah.
37:07You just need to go through a stage of being an emotional punching bag until she can move
37:12past that.
37:14Yeah.
37:14While at the same time taking space if you need.
37:16Yeah.
37:18It's a really tough thing.
37:20But Dakota needs to give Taylor space.
37:23They have to break this toxic back and forth that they have.
37:26And the way for them to do that is to split up and try to heal on their own.
37:30Someone has to do it right first.
37:33Yeah.
37:34I mean, that's even what, like, our therapist said.
37:36Dakota, it's gonna be you.
37:38Like, sorry, buddy.
37:39Like, it's not gonna be anybody else.
37:40From, like, an emotional place, I feel like it is you.
37:43Yeah.
37:43Because she has a lot of hurt and she's trying to heal a lot of parts of her.
37:47And, like, we could see it.
37:48Right.
37:48You know, but, like, it takes one of you.
37:52And I think I have to accept that.
38:00Face me this way.
38:01Really?
38:01Yeah.
38:02Because it's a tunnel.
38:03I'm like, no, you go on that side.
38:04So it'd be something like this.
38:05Yeah, Jace is alpha.
38:06There you go.
38:09What the hell are they doing?
38:10They look a little too comfortable in that position.
38:12Okay.
38:12I think you went too far forward.
38:14Yeah.
38:14At the end.
38:20Wow, that's funny.
38:27That's perfect.
38:28I'm getting, like, four hours of sleep at night.
38:30No.
38:31Is she waking up?
38:32Yeah.
38:32Oh, that sucks.
38:33I know.
38:34I need to be that.
38:35Or your nanny.
38:37Hey, you guys.
38:38I got an idea.
38:39Yeah.
38:40Truth box.
38:42Yeah, yeah.
38:43You've never done one.
38:44I know.
38:44I just figured it'd be a good thing for us all.
38:46Because you saw it go so well.
38:47That's Pandora's box.
38:49Respectfully, I don't want to do it.
38:51It's time for the inaugural Mom Talk and Dad Talk Truth Box.
38:57Ew.
38:57Jordan is literally such a wannabe mom talker.
39:00Uh, can you not get original ideas?
39:02Like, once again, Jordan riding on Mom Talk's coattails.
39:05Are there already questions in there?
39:07Well, no.
39:07We get to ask the questions.
39:08I see Dakota being completely petrified that Taylor's going to go be the Bachelorette.
39:14I think that this is the perfect opportunity for Dakota to be honest and truthful with Taylor.
39:19Yeah, I got pens.
39:20I got cards.
39:21Wait, I was being serious.
39:22Like, I don't want to do that.
39:24Okay, who voted for Jen?
39:25Who voted for Whitney?
39:26Yeah.
39:27That's a good one.
39:28Write the name down.
39:29I'll start with that one.
39:31Is Dakota coming?
39:31I don't think so.
39:32Him and Mason are working out.
39:39The last thing I'm going to do right now is play Truth Box with Taylor.
39:42I try to stay away from that stuff because I just know that that's, like, it's things that's just going
39:48to trigger Taylor.
39:49And I think after the dad's talked to me and stuff, there's only going to be one person that breaks
39:53the cycle and it's going to be me if I do it.
39:56But again, there's part of me that doesn't want to break the cycle because I want to be with her.
40:01I just feel like a conversation is probably, like, what me and Taylor need right now to just kind of
40:07sort everything out, too.
40:08Even with co-parenting, like, really just try to get on the same page.
40:11You think it's going to be weird?
40:13No, I don't actually.
40:15I'm not usually right.
40:17Mason, put your shirt back on.
40:19Take yours off.
40:20I know.
40:20Why are they working out with their shirts on?
40:22They have, like, tools.
40:23Hey, is everyone playing or...?
40:24No, Connor and I have to go.
40:26Connor wants to.
40:27Look at him.
40:28Connor wants to.
40:29No, he was excited.
40:30I don't want that.
40:31I have the in-person interview, wardrobe, and rehearsal.
40:36So I've got to go.
40:37But I hope everyone tells the truth.
40:39I don't think anyone's a fan of the truth box.
40:44But I know for a fact she wants to win Dancing with the Stars.
40:49You kind of have to have a good image.
40:51And so I think she's doing everything to protect that.
40:54Do we think Jessie photoshopped the picture of Jordan's penis?
40:58That was before AI existed.
41:01Right there.
41:02Jessie, that's not fucking blurred out.
41:04You can see the damn tip.
41:06All right, fam.
41:07Welcome to tonight's festivities.
41:09Jacob, who is the least trustworthy in dad talk?
41:12Oh.
41:13Jordan.
41:14Oh, yeah.
41:14Me?
41:15That's no surprise.
41:16For what?
41:17Because your mouth.
41:21Who needs mom talk the most?
41:24Ooh.
41:25Who needs mom talk the most?
41:25Probably dad talk.
41:26I would say dad talk.
41:28Yeah, safe answer.
41:30Miranda.
41:31Question for you, Taylor.
41:32Taylor, do you think you are self-sabotaging The Bachelorette?
41:36Uh-oh.
41:38I think my life is chaos right now, so maybe my whole life.
41:41So if it's including that, maybe.
41:43But I'm not specifically thinking Bachelorette, let's ruin this.
41:45But my life is always like that, so maybe.
41:47Yes.
41:47Taylor, do you think you deserve Dakota's love?
41:50Aw.
41:52I'm just kidding, doesn't say that.
41:53Oh, my gosh.
41:54Jesus.
41:56Macy.
41:56Uh-oh.
41:57How do you feel that Jessie chose the unwell event over yours?
42:03It looks like I have no choice but to address this with Jessie.
42:06I feel like the truth box just strikes again.
42:20I'm just trying to think of how to answer it.
42:22But I felt kind of shitty, if I'm being honest.
42:26Like, I feel so bad because you asked me to host it and I felt so honored to do that.
42:30Yeah.
42:31It's hard because we're in a position now where it's like there's so many amazing opportunities.
42:34Obviously, that's a huge opportunity for me to get that podcast in the fall.
42:37And also, if anyone else got the opportunity, I would hope that everyone is, like, thinking of their careers and
42:41themselves.
42:42Well, they tried to offer it to me and Miranda today, but I turned it down for my sister.
42:46Thanks.
42:50Supporting each other is why we're here in MomTalk.
42:52And this is just a very out-of-character thing of Jessie to do.
42:56I think all the cool opportunities we're getting are great, but I also think it has potential to pull us
43:01away from why we're in MomTalk to begin with.
43:03This is why we are so successful is that we have always supported each other, and I think that that's
43:08the most important thing.
43:09If I ever get on Call Her Daddy, my time will come.
43:11But I just feel like this is really big for me, so I don't want to miss it for her.
43:15Coming from a business standpoint, like, your very business mindset, and that's just naturally, like, who you are and that's
43:20okay.
43:21And it makes sense that, like, that would come first to you.
43:23But then you have to think about, too, that MomTalk is a business as well as a friendship.
43:26In my head, it was, like, business and friendship.
43:28Oh, for sure.
43:29Because you, like, obviously know me really well, and I know Mikayla probably would die if I had her host
43:32something.
43:33So I had agreed to host Macy's book event, and she kept telling me they hadn't announced that I was
43:38coming yet.
43:38It was just a special guest.
43:39And so I actually didn't know that I had been announced when I told her I was going to do
43:43Unwell instead.
43:44She always approached me being like, hey, just let me know what you're going to do. No big deal.
43:47It's clear that some of the girls are talking about it behind my back.
43:50And I didn't even realize she was upset until it got brought up here at Truthbox.
43:54I wish she would have actually talked to me about it.
43:56I didn't know if it mattered to you as much, because I know the other girls are going.
44:00So I was like, maybe she doesn't care if I'm there.
44:02I think it's so dumb.
44:04Jessie obviously knew that it would affect Macy because she did agree to host it for her.
44:08And Macy had already put out the flyer saying that Jessie was going to host it with her.
44:12I mean, obviously Macy was going to be upset, and I think Jessie knew that.
44:15I think for me it's just hard because I don't want to ask for support.
44:18You know what I'm saying?
44:19It's like when you're in a relationship and you're like, oh, I want them to do this without having to
44:22ask.
44:23Yeah.
44:23And then it doesn't happen naturally.
44:24So then I would feel bad in this situation no matter what, being like, oh, host it, because I don't
44:27want to take opportunities away from you that you're excited about.
44:30Yeah.
44:30So I think it puts me in a lose-lose position because I'm like, well, it's like shitty either way.
44:34Yeah.
44:34Because if you did stay, I'd feel guilty.
44:35I want you to know, knowing how you feel now, I'm not going to go because I wanted to support
44:39you.
44:40I know, but then I don't feel bad that you don't go.
44:43But now that I do, that makes my choice easier.
44:46Whereas before, I genuinely thought you didn't care.
44:48I thought you were going to be like, oh, I'll have Whitney host it because I would much rather figure
44:52it out, obviously support you, and lose that opportunity because there's going to be more.
44:56I had to at least consider it.
44:57But you're my priority, and I just want you to know I love you, and you were there for me
45:01through the hardest time of my life, and I'm going to cry.
45:04I just don't want you to do everything.
45:05I don't value you because I really do, and I want to be there for you.
45:09It was good of Jacob to give you the advice to confront it.
45:12The Truth Box was a good way to open up dialogue for me and Jessie to talk about the situation.
45:16And honestly, it's a good segue into future experiences and just learning how to express my feelings without holding them
45:22in.
45:22I love you, and I'm really sorry that I don't ever want you to feel like I would have chosen
45:26something over you.
45:27I appreciate that.
45:28Yeah.
45:32Our LA trip is coming to a close, and there's a lot on the horizon for MomTalk.
45:37We have Macy with her book tour.
45:38Dancing with the Stars is now in full swing with Jen and Whitney.
45:43Bachelorette for Taylor is four weeks away.
45:45I am worried that Taylor might not be ready.
45:48I do fear even just one more thing added on MomTalk could potentially break it.
46:09I never didn't want Taylor.
46:11I've always wished that I could be with her.
46:13But at the same time, I think seeing how much pain she is, and even if it deals with me,
46:18is really hard to watch.
46:19And I don't want that for her.
46:22So I think the one thing I can do now is kind of just learn to let go.
46:27So I'm super nervous to go into this conversation, like always, with Taylor, because I usually feel like if she
46:33gets triggered in any way, it just ends awful.
46:37Anyways, what did you want to talk about?
46:42Okay.
46:56I guess, yeah, I was just going to talk about as far as like co-parenting and just maybe how
47:01we can like move forward in a better way.
47:08Like, what are we doing?
47:09You know, like, how should we do this, Tay?
47:11How can we help each other?
47:13How can we be on the same team?
47:16Like right now, okay?
47:17Like you're about to go on The Bachelorette.
47:19All this stuff's happening.
47:21Like, I don't know.
47:23I think we just need to like swallow the pill.
47:25It's like over.
47:28Yeah.
47:30You haven't swallowed it yet.
47:31Nor have I.
47:33Right.
47:35And can we help each other with it somehow?
47:38Because it is going to hurt.
47:39And I know that like, even after just this, like I, I like miss you a lot.
47:46And I just realized like, sometimes I forget.
47:49And then I'm like, she doesn't want me.
47:52Okay.
47:54I don't even know what I'm doing.
47:55Like, what's the point of this?
47:58Like, for me, I feel like I get, I confuse myself because I like, obviously like, like I care about
48:04you that I don't think it's like a secret to anybody.
48:06I know.
48:07It's him.
48:07I loved you.
48:08Yeah.
48:09But, but at the same time, I could never sit in a bed with you and not wonder like, what
48:14else is going on on the side?
48:16And that is where my issue will always lie with you.
48:19You know?
48:20But I'm saying like, you're the one that's made this decision.
48:23Like, it's not me.
48:23Like, I didn't, I, I, I didn't want this.
48:26When he says that you're making this decision, Taylor, true.
48:30But at the same time, I feel like I've had no choice.
48:34And then not to mention all the other lies with the girls that he lied about and talked to behind
48:37my back.
48:38So, to believe someone loves you so much and you're his number one girl and you actually weren't.
48:44Fuck him.
48:45I respect your decision, but what I'm saying is if that's.
48:47You understand it though too?
48:49Yeah.
48:50Okay.
48:50Yeah.
48:51But I just like, I look at it from my perspective of there's tons of things I should have walked
48:55away from eating.
48:56For me, that's different is because I, I still chose you.
49:00Like, I still, I still did.
49:02Always.
49:07Do you think you would choose me if you knew that I was texting your dad's friend?
49:11Well, I think given the situation.
49:14Well, Taylor.
49:15And I didn't tell you?
49:16Again.
49:17Would you?
49:17Would you choose me still after that?
49:19I don't think that's okay.
49:20But don't you think that would kind of ruin you forever?
49:22Like with that person forever?
49:23I could get over it.
49:24Well, that's easy to say.
49:25It's what happened to you.
49:26I just know who I am.
49:27I do.
49:27And I know you're very like insecure in that sense of like, where like you get jealous.
49:31So I can't imagine.
49:31Look at me right now though.
49:32It's different when you're together with someone.
49:34That's the only difference.
49:34I don't have to say.
49:35I was with you when that was happening.
49:36You weren't.
49:37Yes.
49:37We were broke up when that happened.
49:38I was with you during my pregnancy.
49:40What are you talking about?
49:41No, no, no.
49:41Yeah.
49:42I'm talking about the incident.
49:44The lie after.
49:45Yes.
49:45We were together.
49:46Right, right.
49:47So I'm talking about when we're together.
49:48I'm not talking about when we're broken up.
49:49Then listen.
49:50Then listen.
49:51Just stop talking.
49:53When it comes to Dakota, I don't know why I like get so angry so fast and it's just,
49:59yeah, it's frustrating.
49:59You never do it.
50:00You can never do it.
50:01See, that's my point.
50:01What do you want?
50:02You always are talking over me.
50:03You never fucking just fucking listen.
50:05Stop interrupting.
50:06You're talking over me.
50:06You're not listening.
50:07You're still going.
50:08You're still going.
50:08You're just never tell the truth of the story though.
50:10Because if you're going to throw that around, that's a big deal.
50:12You can't just say that.
50:13Then wait for me to be done talking and then talk.
50:15The point is to fucking listen and every fucking goddamn guy has it except you.
50:18I know I shouldn't have slept with Dakota.
50:20It's like a really unhealthy cycle.
50:21It's like a drug, really.
50:23I need to figure out why I keep choosing people that hurt me so I can have a good experience
50:28on The Bachelorette.
50:29If not, I could end up in the same situation.
50:31You're just not.
50:31You're not a good guy.
50:33This is a good reminder.
50:34This is a good reminder that you're not a good guy.
50:35So you sleep in the same bed with me.
50:37I know.
50:37I hate that I trapped myself.
50:38Oh, yeah.
50:39Okay.
50:40Yeah, because I'm so shitty.
50:41I'm so awful.
50:41Right, right.
50:42Okay, Taylor.
50:42You're so innocent and all this.
50:43No, you won't listen.
50:44You don't just listen.
50:45Okay.
50:46Listen to me.
50:47No one fucking listen.
50:49Not no one.
50:49Just fucking you.
50:50Listen.
50:51All I want to do is to hurt.
50:53Just listen to what fucking hurts the person I wanted to be with.
50:57Just listen.
51:06Help me welcome to the stage the one and only Macy Neely.
51:10You can always create your own future.
51:12I dreamt of this moment my whole life.
51:14There are no limits.
51:16I don't want to do it all.
51:16We can't do it all.
51:17Your mistakes do not define you.
51:19What went on in LA?
51:20Nothing really.
51:21We're all human at the end of the day.
51:23Can I ask you what you made two days ago when I was 99?
51:26Is this what I think it is?
51:27There's no way we can help her if she doesn't want to help herself.
51:31Hello?
51:31I'm going to ask you one time.
51:33How long have you known?
51:33She's about to go on the bachelorette.
51:35What?
51:35Like I can't go date?
51:37What the fuck about Dakota?
51:38I'm going to fucking fuck them up.
51:40Jordan's a hard person to be married to but I think he'd be a harder person to divorce.
51:43What do you want man?
51:44I have to convince myself every day that she does love me.
51:47We found your father.
51:49Does he have any other kids?
51:50I'd like to go out there and maybe get some answers.
51:52Whitney only cares about Whitney and she knows that I hold power.
51:55You don't own that dream.
51:57Anyone in this cast can go on dancing with the fucking stars.
52:01We all want this for you Taylor.
52:03I'm scared to death.
52:04What is happening?
52:05I know that you're in love with him.
52:07Is he worth it?
52:08All I want to say is save a rose for me.
52:35Out of control.
52:36I want to let go.
52:39Out of control.
52:42Sometimes there's nothing left to know.
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