00:00Hi. Hi. Hi. Nice to meet you.
00:18In your opinion, why we want to be special, but feeling special sometimes means
00:29taking someone else's place where we can be special in our place.
00:34I think that's your teen years. You're trying to figure out who you are. And for as a teen girl,
00:41especially you look up to who's the quote unquote, pretty popular girl who's dating the cute boy,
00:48you know, and I think that's where it starts from is it's your in your teen years,
00:53you're trying to figure out who you are. And try to I think, and this is I feel like a
00:57lifelong
00:59journey is your own self-worth, right? When you're a kid, you're defined by
01:07what group you're in at school, what sports you got to play, what part you got in the school show.
01:13Did you win best smile and, you know, the superlative, all of these things that have
01:18nothing to do with who you are inside. And, you know, we spend so many years trying to figure
01:24that out and find your own self-worth that, you know, you, you, you, and honestly, let's get,
01:30let's get serious. We all just want to be liked. That's like the human experience. You just want
01:35to be loved. You want to be liked. You want to be part of the group. You don't want to
01:38feel like
01:38the outsider. And, um, I think that's, that's just like a human dynamic that we're always battling
01:45with. Speaking about outsiders, uh, Jeanette loves cinema. Uh, she, she says that she saw
01:52Jurassic Park seven times when your opinion, 30 years later, uh, we still, uh, consider people who
02:00love cinema and TV shows a little bit nerds. I mean, we, I, I think we probably do too.
02:10on some level, right? Um, like the cinephiles and the TV shows, like now it's, that used to be sort
02:18of a niche thing, like that, that person or that friend that know all the shows, knew all the lines,
02:22knew all the films. It's different now. Now it's, it's such a, it's such a big part of our culture,
02:28even bigger than it used to be. And I guess we're all kinds of nerds now because we all love
02:34film and
02:35watch so many shows, especially coming out of quarantine where we all spent so much time at home.
02:40wanting and desiring content that we've all become TV nerds now. Now, now no one's an outsider
02:48anymore. True. Why in your opinion, sometimes we need a villain in our lives because every girl in
02:55this show tends to villainize the other girl. Do you think that we need a villain? Yeah, I think
03:01that's what, that's what you do when you're young, you know, it's whether it's envy or jealousy,
03:09you know, you, what you're lacking for yourself, you sort of turn on somebody else. And you hopefully
03:14as you get older, you realize you take responsibility instead of finding a villain to make you feel
03:20better. Um, it's, it's like pointing, it's easier to just point the finger at somebody and say, Oh,
03:26it wasn't me. It's her. She did it. Or he did it. Or, you know, I'm innocent. Yeah.
03:32And I think what we're sort of exploring in the show is the word villain and the word innocent
03:40crosses over for sure. All over the place. You know, there isn't one villain. There isn't one
03:45innocent person. There isn't one victim. Um, and that's true in life as well. And I think,
03:51I think as a kid, it's harder to take your own, it's harder to take responsibility as you learn and
03:58go through life. And hopefully we're all doing this is, is learning how to take responsibility
04:03a little bit better and say, you know what, that this one's on me. Yeah. I did this and I'm
04:08learning
04:08from this and it's all a learning process, but yeah, we're always bouncing off against,
04:15um, pointing the finger at somebody like that's the villain or being able to point the finger back at
04:20yourself. In this TV show, everybody seems so nice. The girls, the vice principal, everybody,
04:28uh, do we have to fear nice people not being nice is something sinister or not?
04:36That's a good question. That is a good question. I mean, I think what, what, what we're talking about
04:44with these kind of nice characters and these good characters is on the outside for a lot of people,
04:54there's your one way. And on the inside, there's a lot of different things going on,
04:59or as you strip the onion of a character or strip the onion of a storyline, you're watching
05:06someone evolve or come out of this, you know, onion peeling in a very different way than you
05:12initially thought. Um, I don't think we're saying, or that we feel that being good is a, you know,
05:19being good and kind and nice is, it's not something to be trusted because that's not the case.
05:24But I think what we're saying and what I think in real life is we're also multi-layered and we're
05:31everything I'm nice and bad and great and mean and the villain and the victim of my own life.
05:38I'm at all. And so are you. And so is everyone else and Michelle included. And I think that's what
05:46we love about these characters in this story is, is, is nobody is just one thing and nobody,
05:53nobody necessarily is what they seem. And that's kind of true in real life sometimes. So we're just
06:00sort of shining a light on that and, and, and sort of bringing that to the forefront in this story.
06:06After many years of 80s in movies, in TV shows, finally is the time of 90s. What do you miss
06:16the
06:16most of that period? Music. I think music. Yeah. That was one of the most, when we were building the
06:24sound for the show, listening and what was in 92, what was in 93. And then we'd find a song
06:30that was
06:30even in 96 and we couldn't use it because we had to be careful, but there's some great music in
06:37the
06:37nineties. I would also say the anonymity of the nineties. Yes. When there wasn't the social medias,
06:43there wasn't the like online frenzy and camera phones and videos that, you know, exposing everybody
06:52everywhere. Like for me in my life now, thinking back to that time was a really special time that
06:59tech was just not so advanced and it's tech is amazing, right? We couldn't live without it.
07:06We couldn't do this without it. There's a simplicity to that time where we didn't have that stuff. And I
07:12miss that. This issue analyzes, what does it mean being popular in European? What does it mean being
07:19popular? You know, with Kate, our, our lead character, we didn't want her to be the stereotypical
07:24mean girl popular. You know, we really, to me, she's kind and, and actually very sweet,
07:31like in the opening. And I think popularity when you're a teen means one thing, sort of what I spoke
07:36on earlier, you're dating the right person. And, and as you get older, popular, like we look at,
07:42you know, Michelle Obama, to me, she's popular. She's cool. I want to be her.
07:46Yeah. I think your idea of popularity definitely shifts and changes. Um, my idea of popular now is
07:54like, what, what are the kids doing? You know, like, like what are, what are, what is cool? I'll
08:00look at, I'll talk to the young kids. They are the popular ones. I feel like I'm the ancient dinosaur
08:06who hasn't heard that band and hasn't heard of that show and hasn't heard of that outfit,
08:10that designer, somebody helped me, you know? So I'm looking to the younger generation and also like
08:17the people, like the Oprah's and the Michelle Obama's of the world to show me what's cool
08:23because that's how I see popularity now. Yeah. But as a kid, yeah, it, it was that super confident
08:31girl who played on, or at least was confident on the outside. She was nice to everybody. And she,
08:38she, I think popularity for me also was that, that kid who could, who could go through any group,
08:43you know, she was friends with, he or she were friends with everybody and just sort of like what
08:50Jeanette says in the show, like, it's so easy. How is it so easy? And like the light shines on
08:55that
08:55person. It's like that, that person who like just attracts that light and that magnetism. Um,
09:02that, that for me was always like, what was, what seemed to be popular.
09:06Okay. Thank you so much. Great work. Bye. Nice talking to you.
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