00:00All human beings will understand that there is a distinction between the things you believe
00:04and the things that you feel.
00:18So, your character in the movie says that Shelley knew the true meaning of the word
00:24freedom.
00:25What's that meaning for you?
00:26For me, oh gosh, I mean, I suppose freedom from your desires, I suppose.
00:32I think Eleanor was somebody who really understood that the pressures of capitalism were going
00:40to be difficult for individuals on an emotional level and her writing really made me think
00:45about that a lot in my own life, about how all the things we want eventually become a
00:51burden to us.
00:52It's strange how she was really independent, really emancipated.
00:57She studied, but when she fell in love with a man, she was completely hopeless in front
01:05of him.
01:06Why do you think that even if we live a better situation right now, when we fall in love,
01:11we lose everything, we don't know anything?
01:14Yeah.
01:15I think at the beginning of their relationship, when they fell in love, I think Edward was
01:20a good partner for her.
01:21They were compatible in their political ideologies.
01:26He agreed that she didn't want to get married, which at the time was a huge social catastrophe,
01:32and he agreed that they wouldn't get married and not have children.
01:35And they produced a lot of work together as equals.
01:39It was later that the relationship suffered because he married somebody else, he wasn't
01:44faithful to her, he took money from her.
01:46And at that stage, of course, she should have left.
01:50And I think all human beings will understand that there is a distinction between the things
01:55you believe and the things that you feel.
01:57And also, I think she was very, very empathetic.
02:01That gave her her drive, her desire to make the world better, to improve the lot of human
02:09beings and to attack poverty.
02:11But it also meant that she was too, I think, too quick to see the other person's perspective
02:16always, and not concerned enough with her rights as an individual.
02:22And those are the conversations that take place in all people, I think, in their relationships.
02:27I really enjoyed the dancing scene.
02:30How did you find your moves?
02:32I mean, the shoot was usually very controlled.
02:38And in every scene, Susanna knew where we were to move, how were we to move.
02:43She had all the shots in advance.
02:45But in that scene, she said, I'm going to play the music and just dance.
02:50So I didn't prepare anything.
02:53And yeah, it just sort of came out.
02:56I suppose I think she wanted something that didn't feel like we had prepared it in advance.
03:03So I was pretty nervous, but it seemed to work, OK?
03:07Let's speak also about prejudice, women in politics.
03:13Usually we say that women can't make us laugh and can't do politics.
03:19Why in Europe there's this stereotype?
03:22I think that it is very difficult to maintain a patriarchy if you allow women to mock.
03:34The power to mock is so important.
03:37And also the vulnerability of masculinity to be mocked.
03:43Equality is about, yeah, it's the sharing of vulnerability and if you take that away, you cannot maintain a patriarchy.
03:55So I think it has been used, the decision to say that women are not funny has been used to
04:02maintain a patriarchy.
04:03I mean, in politics, I think we, I can't speak for Italy, but in the UK, we still very much
04:10see a resistance to women in positions of power.
04:12That's absolutely there.
04:13And I think, you know, every time we have a new wave of feminism, the conversation moves that dial a
04:21tiny bit, a tiny bit.
04:22And maybe in 2050 or as we move forward, eventually it will get to where it needs to be.
04:28Thank you so much.
04:29Thank you.
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