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05:02И они были очень успешны с Езболом, очень успешны.
05:08То есть, последний обстакон для Исраэль-милитарной супремизиции – это Иран.
05:15Поэтому, sooner или later, Исраэль и Ираны будут конфликтов очень регулярно и очень директорно.
05:27Исраэль-милитарной – это не только война, но и с ней.
05:34И это всё, что они пытаются делать.
05:37Если, если, если, если, если, если, если, если, если, если, в Кауле, в Кауле, в Кауле-милитарной войне,
05:44в Кауле-милитарной войне – это нечего, я не уверен, что Исраэль will stop,
05:49чтобы остановить бомбин.
05:50Of course, the message that we get with the line of succession is that the hardliners are still in place
05:56in Tehran.
05:57How do you see this playing out?
05:58Is there a scenario in which ultimately they have no other choice but to get on the phone and talk
06:03to President Trump,
06:04even if until now it's just been retaliation and they've not picked up the phone that we know to Washington?
06:09No, I think that if I were, you know, I tried to be, if I were an ayatollah,
06:15I would certainly do what the Iranians are doing right now.
06:18And I think that right now they hope, again, as I have said, that Trump will leave,
06:24saying I've won, I've killed Khamenei, and I have destroyed all the military capabilities of Iran.
06:32I'm leaving.
06:33And the result would be to have the both states suddenly facing, I think, a revenge,
06:41a full of, really, an Islamic republic full of revenge.
06:46And really, look at Khamenei the sovereign, you know, the new, apparently, the new supreme leader.
06:53Really, you have to imagine his father, his mother, his son, his brother, his sister-in-law,
07:00his nephew, his nephew, has been killed in a few days by the Americans.
07:05Really, he's a human being.
07:06Whatever you think of him, he is going to make, I think, if the Americans leave,
07:12and I think they don't have the choice at the end of the day, he will want to have a
07:16revenge.
07:17And the gold stage will be actually very vulnerable.
07:21Of course, there's a question around the security himself for this individual.
07:24But I've got to ask you about the Europeans.
07:27Where is Europe in this crisis?
07:29And the fact I've got to ask you says a lot.
07:30When I was teaching international relations in Paris, I was always saying,
07:35if you have a question about Europeans, the first sentence that you should use is,
07:40the Europeans will be divided.
07:42We are, by definition, divided because we are, you know, we have different powers,
07:47different geography, with different history.
07:50Obviously, you see, for instance, that Germany is sticking to the U.S.
07:55and sticking to Israel.
07:57It's really, it's obvious.
07:59Most of the Europeans, I would say, are trying to hide themselves.
08:03They don't want to be taken between the American hammer and, again,
08:11maybe the Israeli handrail or the Iranian handrail.
08:14So, most of the Europeans are looking the other way and waiting for the end of the crisis.
08:21We have some countries which are more active.
08:24Spain.
08:25Spain has been really on the front line of really sticking to the international law
08:34and has been very active.
08:36Some say Spain has now taken the part of France.
08:39If there was an echo to the Iran invasion, some would say Spain is now the French voice at the
08:44time.
08:44Would you agree?
08:45I think, in a sense, to be frank, I think the Spanish prime minister was on the front line.
08:51The French have rejoined, really have rejoined the Spaniards.
08:55And now, one by one, the European countries are really assessing that the operation is in a dead end
09:05and also assessing that their public opinion is more and more moved by the suffering of the civilian population in
09:15Iran,
09:16but also in Lebanon.
09:17And if I may, just lastly, of course, the one woman who seems to want to be very active
09:22is the head of the European Commission.
09:24Are you surprised by the role that the head of the Commission is playing and wants to play?
09:28Is she in the wrong or ultimately is she a smart operator?
09:31I am a bit, you know, really, I'm a bit surprised because she's out of her competence.
09:36You know, the treaty, which is the basis of the European Union, doesn't give her any special competence in foreign
09:46policy.
09:48On the top of that, she's sticking to a line, which, again, it's not the line of Spain.
09:54It's not the line of France.
09:56It's a German line, really.
10:00So, especially, which is more important, in a sense, than the treaties,
10:06is the fact that the Europeans are the last flag bearer of international law.
10:12Really, it's, I should say, the DNA of the European Union is the international law.
10:20And to hear the president of the European Commission saying that, which, really, it's not that important,
10:28the way the Germans actually are saying, what the Germans are saying,
10:33frankly, you can, really, you can ask a lot of questions about that.
10:38Yes, I think there is a division in the European Union, not at a very bad moment,
10:45but, again, as I've told you, with the Europeans, they're always divided.
10:49But on this point, just very briefly, what she did say is that the EU stands for international law,
10:54but it cannot be the custodian of a world that no longer exists.
10:58Does she have a point, or is she in the wrong?
11:00Is this the wrong time to make that statement?
11:02You know, frankly, to be for, it's a bit like somebody who is, well, it's very French,
11:09somebody who is in the middle of adultery and is going and is saying,
11:13oh, actually, I am in favor of the principle of marital fidelity while committing adultery.
11:23It's not, the international law is not only a principle, you know, really coming from heaven,
11:30but it's a policy, which means that it should have consequences.
11:37And we should, the Europeans, really, in a sense, saying we have to react,
11:43to react against Israel and against the U.S.
11:48Well, Ambassador, thank you so much on the geopolitics and marriage, too.
11:52Thank you for joining us.
11:53Always great to see you.
11:54Thank you.
11:55A pleasure.
11:56A pleasure.
11:56A pleasure.
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11:58A pleasure.
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