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00:27Good morning and thank you for joining us.
00:29And a very warm welcome to Steph McGovern back again.
00:33Thank you very much, Rav. It is lovely to be here.
00:36We've got a jam-packed show for you today as well,
00:39so do stay watching if you have any information about our appeals.
00:43Get in touch as your calls really do make a difference.
00:46Coming up, a smash and grab in a Bristol jewellery shop.
00:50You know the people taking a five-finger discount.
00:55We have an appeal from the family of Arman Chakot.
00:58I'm sure the 16-year-old was killed back in 2018,
01:01but his family still need to know what happened.
01:06We're still baffled, you know, why did this happen?
01:09Who did it? Why would they want to do it?
01:12What could a 16-year-old have done, which was so bad, to be shot in the face?
01:18We will also be hearing how a grisly discovery made by an urban explorer
01:23led to a full-scale murder investigation in Scotland.
01:28I've seen many dead bodies in my career, but never one in this condition.
01:35We didn't know who the person was, and we didn't know if the person had been murdered.
01:42And we're talking about the creepy rise in covert filming of women on nights out.
01:48Now, they have no idea they're being recorded,
01:50and yet paid-up subscribers are able to watch them online.
01:54Some of those clips have been viewed literally millions of times.
01:58As ever, the officers and our team are here in our studio in the heart of Cardiff,
02:02ready to take your calls, and there are plenty of ways you can get in touch.
02:06Yes, there are. You can scan the QR code below using your phone's camera
02:10and then follow the link, or you can call us on 08000 468 999.
02:16You can text us on 63399, start with the word CRIME,
02:21leave a space, and then write your text, or email us, cwl at bbc.co.uk.
02:28And those details will be on your screen throughout the programme, just down by the clock.
02:32Now, let's start with a really positive update on the murder of 35-year-old Jennifer Keeley
02:39that we featured several times before on Crimewatch.
02:43Now, we spoke to her mum back in 2021.
02:47I raised a perfect child. She was sweet, loving, giving, ambitious.
02:55She was a nice girl, very nice girl, very pretty.
02:59She was a very good kid.
03:01That's why it's so hard to take this in, that she's no longer with us.
03:06You know, that's the hard part.
03:10Gosh, you can see the pain etched on her face there.
03:13Well, in January 2005, her body was discovered near the seafront in Hollywell in Eastbourne.
03:19Jennifer, who lived on the streets at the time, had an injury to the back of her head,
03:24had been stabbed, and her body had been set on fire.
03:28It really was a gruesome attack, which police believed had been sexually motivated.
03:32At the time, some DNA had been recovered from a cigarette butt that was found at the scene.
03:37It contained a full DNA profile of a man, which matched a sample found on Jennifer's body.
03:43But unfortunately, it didn't throw up any matches on the national databases at the time.
03:48Then, in 2018, Sussex Police had a major breakthrough using a familial DNA strategy.
03:54They identified a list of names, but it was in the thousands.
03:57So, they then meticulously worked through each name, and in 2024, were able to whittle it down to a suspect
04:05called Keith Dowbeckin.
04:07He also used the alias Keith Black and Keith Broadbent.
04:11He was originally from the north-west of England, but police were able to confirm that he had stayed in
04:16Eastbourne several times,
04:18and that he associated with members of the homeless community.
04:21They also discovered that Dowbeckin had actually been arrested by police in Norfolk in connection to two separate rape offences.
04:30That was in Great Yarmouth in 2003 and 2004.
04:33So, this was just a short time before Jennifer's murder.
04:37At the time, his DNA was taken, but because he was eliminated as a suspect, it wasn't stored on the
04:43database.
04:44But now police are certain that he was responsible for killing Jennifer Keighley.
04:50However, he died in 2014 at the age of 60, having never faced justice for this awful crime.
04:57Now, Jennifer's family issued a tribute to her, saying,
05:00Our mum was more than her struggles.
05:03She was a gentle, funny and creative soul.
05:06After 20 years, my family and I are grateful for the resolution of her case
05:11and for the hard work of those who never gave up.
05:14I hope her story encourages compassion for those experiencing homelessness.
05:19And the stigma surrounding mental health.
05:23A heartfelt tribute there.
05:25And now we have another one for our first appeal.
05:28This is from the family of 16-year-old Aman Shakur,
05:31who went out one night and simply never came home again.
05:35As you can imagine, this film has some strong images.
05:40Your mind is just numb.
05:42You can't actually believe something like this could ever happen to your child.
05:53In April 2018, schoolboy Aman Shakur was living at home with his family in Walthamstow.
06:04He was a regular young 16-year-old.
06:08He was finding himself.
06:09He was finding his personality, what he was all about, what he wanted to do.
06:13He used to love going out with his friends.
06:16And he just came across as a lovely boy.
06:26On the evening of 2nd of April 2018,
06:30Aman received a phone call from one of his friends asking him to come out.
06:36Aman said, look, I'm tired now.
06:39But his friend insisted.
06:47Aman's cycle to Walthamstow Leisure Centre.
06:51We know that he had at least three friends present,
06:54but there are other people close by that he may know or may not have been aware of,
06:59but there was a slightly larger group.
07:01Just before 10pm, a white Hyundai pulled up near the group.
07:09Two people have got out of that car.
07:12One has a large machete.
07:17And one has a shotgun.
07:30Aman was shot, once in the arm and once in the face.
07:34Then the attackers turned their attention to the rest of the group.
07:38A friend of his has been attacked very violently with the machete.
07:44After this very brutal and very quick attack,
07:47they have then fled the scene.
07:56The gunman was captured fleeing on CCTV.
08:04The white Hyundai was later found burnt out.
08:10I had a feeling inside me that something wasn't right.
08:13Without telling anybody, I picked up my car keys
08:16and I just got into the car and just started driving.
08:20And when I got to the bottom of Abba Road,
08:24the area was cordoned off with blue tape.
08:27My nephew happened to be there at the time
08:29and then he told me, he said,
08:31Aman's being shot.
08:35Obviously, I just sort of froze in shock
08:37because I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
08:42One minute, he's at home having his meal
08:45and then next minute he gets called out
08:48and this happens.
08:50Just beyond comprehension.
08:53Overnight, surgeons fought to save Aman's life.
08:58We had a feeling that it wasn't good.
09:03However, you know, you kind of, you live in hope.
09:08On the following day,
09:12I remember it was 2.30 in the afternoon.
09:15The surgeons told us that it was too late, basically,
09:21that nothing could be done.
09:22That was one of the most hardest things
09:25that I've ever lived through.
09:30We couldn't believe this was happening to us.
09:32You know, I was just hoping it's a bad dream
09:34and we're just going to wake up
09:35and it will all be over.
09:39At 2.30, Aman's life support was turned off.
09:45Aman was a very strong boy.
09:48From 2.30
09:53to 5.45pm that afternoon,
09:57he managed to survive on his own.
10:01It was a 5.45pm that day
10:05when he passed away.
10:12Your life changes permanently.
10:19With a 16-year-old schoolboy dead,
10:22police are bewildered as to what may have been the motive
10:26for this apparently senseless crime.
10:29Aman happened to be talking to people
10:31or associating with people on that evening
10:34who may have been the target.
10:36and so the pure motive has never really been established.
10:42We're still baffled, you know,
10:44why did this happen?
10:45Who did it?
10:45Why would they want to do it?
10:48What could a 16-year-old have done,
10:51which was so bad,
10:53to be shot in the face?
10:59You've actually taken it upon yourself
11:02to take someone's life,
11:05given a lifetime of grief and misery
11:08to a family who you don't even know.
11:12Almost eight years on from the murder,
11:15Aman's killer remains at large.
11:18I believe that there are people who are present
11:21who know who have committed this murder
11:22and we really need them to come forward
11:25and tell us what they know
11:26so that we're able to progress this for Aman's family.
11:33The one thing which would give us
11:36a little bit of peace in our hearts
11:39would be some form of justice.
11:42One day, I'm confident that justice will prevail.
11:49I'm now with Detective Superintendent Kelly Allen
11:52from the Met Police,
11:52who you saw from the film there.
11:54Kelly, this is such an incredibly sad case
11:57and we can see the pain on the family.
11:59How are they doing now?
12:00I know you and your team have been dealing with them.
12:02Yeah, they are still devastated.
12:04They're as devastated as they were nearly eight years ago.
12:06They are absolutely determined, though,
12:08to get justice for Aman, as are we.
12:11Yeah, I hope we can do exactly that today
12:13and help towards it.
12:14Tell us a little bit about Aman there,
12:16that young 16-year-old.
12:18Yeah, so he had his whole life ahead of him.
12:1916-year-old, quite quiet.
12:21He liked to spend time with his family,
12:23his friends, his games console.
12:25You know, just a regular kid
12:27who had his future ahead of him.
12:30Yeah, just a typical 16-year-old, eh?
12:33Tell us the events that we know
12:34that happened that night then.
12:35Let's recap what occurred.
12:37Yeah, so he was at home with his family in Walthamstow.
12:39He was having some food,
12:41playing on his games console
12:42and we know that one of his friends
12:44has asked him to come out
12:45and he has reluctantly agreed.
12:47He didn't really want to go.
12:48It was quite late.
12:49This was happening between sort of nine
12:51and half past nine.
12:52But unfortunately, he did agree
12:54to go and meet his friend
12:56and he leaves his house on his bike
12:58and goes to Walthamstow Leisure Centre,
13:00which is in Mark House Road.
13:01He's there with his friends,
13:03small group of people
13:04and a car approaches,
13:07three people in the car,
13:09two people get out
13:10and there is a violent attack
13:11in which he's shot twice
13:13and his friend is violently attacked
13:16with a large machete
13:17before the suspects make off very quickly.
13:20Absolutely horrific.
13:22And what do you know
13:23about what happened after the attack?
13:26Yeah, so they very quickly flee the scene
13:28in a white Hyundai
13:30and they go down Mark House Road.
13:32That vehicle is,
13:33as you can see here,
13:35is travelling down.
13:36So we managed to find that vehicle
13:38in Durban Road
13:39where it was burnt out.
13:41OK, now the footage,
13:42it's not the clearest,
13:43which is often the case
13:44as you as detectives have to deal with,
13:46but you've managed to get enough information
13:48to see what type of vehicle
13:49that would have been
13:50and here we can see it here.
13:52So what's this?
13:52Yeah, so it's a white Hyundai IX35.
13:56This was stolen a couple of days
13:57before the murder.
13:58So we're really trying to understand
14:00what their vehicle was before
14:01and also we know
14:03that it was burnt out in Durban Road.
14:04So who saw that
14:05if they could come forward?
14:07Could be crucial information.
14:08Now there's another piece of CCTV
14:09that you provided us here.
14:11Just talk us through
14:12what we can see here.
14:13This is just really shocking footage.
14:15It shows the suspect
14:16who was shot and killed a man
14:17running down the street
14:19with a loaded shotgun.
14:21Yeah, we can actually see it in his hands.
14:24Yeah.
14:24Clearly a firearm there.
14:25And this is literally after the incident.
14:28Now, it's not the clearest image.
14:30Again, it's often what you have to work with.
14:32But is there any description
14:33you could give of the person here?
14:35So the three people really involved,
14:37all very dark clothing,
14:38one with white trainers.
14:40It's more who knows these people
14:42that are responsible
14:43rather than trying to identify them
14:45from the footage.
14:46Yeah.
14:46Such an awful attack there.
14:49And just seeing the fact
14:49he's got that shotgun
14:50or some sort of firearm,
14:52certainly in his hands as well.
14:53Now, there is a reward
14:55that has been put up,
14:57a substantial one at that
14:58for information that leads to the
14:59arrest and conviction
15:00of the killer or killers.
15:02Tell us about that.
15:03So Amman's family
15:04have come together
15:06and managed to obtain £50,000
15:08for the successful arrest
15:10and prosecution
15:11of those responsible
15:12for his murder.
15:13And they are absolutely determined
15:15to get justice for Amman
15:16and as are the police.
15:18If we just need new information,
15:20we need people to come forward
15:21and give us new lines of inquiry
15:23so that we can progress it
15:24and get them that justice.
15:25You say there,
15:26it's a massive amount of money
15:27that the family themselves
15:28have put up.
15:29But you as the police,
15:30you want answers for this.
15:31I mean, Kelly, on a personal level,
15:33you've moved jobs
15:34and you still wanted to come here
15:36and do this appeal
15:36because you're passionate
15:37about getting answers for them.
15:38Yeah, I think we want
15:39to solve every murder
15:40and this family have been waiting
15:42for eight years,
15:43eight years too long
15:44for the answers
15:45and we really need this appeal
15:47with the reward
15:48to get us those new lines
15:50of inquiries
15:50so that the team can progress
15:52this murder investigation.
15:53And if anyone is really scared
15:55about giving you the information,
15:56there's even things
15:57that the Met could do
15:57to help with that.
15:59Yeah, absolutely.
16:00And I fully understand
16:00why people might be scared.
16:01This is a shooting
16:02but there are absolutely
16:04special measures
16:05that we can give people
16:06to protect them
16:07if they come forward
16:08but also they can give
16:09that information anonymously.
16:10We just need those leads
16:12to progress it for his family.
16:14Kelly, thank you.
16:15And if you know anything
16:15that could help solve this murder,
16:17the number to call
16:18is 0800 468 999.
16:20Other ways to get in touch
16:21are on your screen below.
16:24Well, now we've got
16:25an urgent appeal
16:26from Yvonne and Somerset Police
16:28about a smash and grab theft.
16:30Now, this happened
16:30on the 19th of December
16:32at 12.55 in the afternoon.
16:35So three men
16:36made their way
16:37into a jewellery studio
16:38on East Street
16:39in the Bedminster area
16:41of Bristol.
16:41And we've got some footage
16:42to show you
16:43of the CCTV
16:43of what happened.
16:45So you can see here
16:46the lads going in there.
16:47One man stayed on the door
16:49acting as a lookout
16:51whilst two other men
16:52entered a shop
16:53and used a hammer
16:54to break open
16:55one of the display cabinets
16:57where they were then
16:58went on to steal
16:59multiple items of jewellery.
17:02Now, a staff member,
17:02as you can see,
17:03does attempt to challenge them
17:04then backs off
17:06when he sees
17:07one of the suspects
17:08holding a hammer.
17:10The person on the lookout
17:11actually pushes
17:12one of the thieves
17:13back into the shop
17:14to steal even more jewellery.
17:16And police are particularly keen
17:18to identify this man
17:20who was part of the group.
17:22So you can see there
17:23he's described
17:23as a white male
17:25estimated to be
17:26around five foot six.
17:27He's wearing this
17:28distinctive hooded jacket.
17:29And just to point out
17:31we haven't blurred his face.
17:33That's actually
17:33a face covering
17:35that he's wearing there.
17:37Now, police are also
17:38looking for the items
17:39that were stolen.
17:40You can see some of them here.
17:41There's various
17:42bespoke pieces
17:43including some very
17:45distinctive necklaces,
17:46pendants
17:47and bracelets.
17:48Now, you can see
17:50the full array
17:50of jewellery
17:51on our website
17:52so have a good look
17:53at them.
17:54Now, this happened
17:55in the run-up to Christmas
17:57and so it wiped out
17:58a lot of this
17:59small business's stock
18:00which they estimate
18:02had a value
18:03of just over
18:04four and a half grand.
18:05I mean, that is a big hit
18:06for a small business
18:07to take.
18:08So do you recognise
18:09this man
18:09or have you seen
18:10any of those items
18:12of jewellery for sale?
18:14Get in touch
18:14if you know
18:15anything that could help.
18:16Our contact details
18:17are on your screen
18:18now.
18:20Now, our next film
18:21takes us to Scotland
18:22where the sad discovery
18:24of some unidentified remains
18:26send detectives
18:27on the hunt
18:28for a killer.
18:32I've seen many
18:34dead bodies
18:35in my career
18:35but never one
18:37in this condition.
18:40The person
18:41who'd driven
18:41that vehicle
18:42had been the person
18:43that had taken
18:44the body
18:45to the unit.
18:47Having to release him
18:48knowing
18:48that this was our man
18:50it was a very
18:51frustrating day.
19:0127th of September
19:022020.
19:05An enthusiast
19:07was exploring
19:08a derelict
19:08industrial unit
19:10near Edinburgh Airport
19:13when he made
19:15a gruesome discovery.
19:17The initial 999 call
19:19which kicked off
19:20this case
19:20came from
19:21an urban explorer
19:22who was exploring
19:25the abandoned units.
19:28They'd found
19:29what they were describing
19:30as a human skeleton.
19:35I obviously had to go
19:36into the scene itself
19:37and see what we were
19:39dealing with
19:39and I have to say
19:40I was quite shocked.
19:43I've seen many
19:44dead bodies
19:45in my career
19:46but never one
19:48in this condition.
19:52It appeared to me
19:53to be a deceased
19:54human
19:55who was
19:56skeletonised
19:57with evidence
19:57of what appeared
19:58to be mummified
19:59skin on certain
20:01parts of the body.
20:04I couldn't tell
20:05whether it was
20:05a man
20:06or a woman
20:06and I couldn't
20:07tell what age
20:08the person was
20:09and to my
20:11untrained eye
20:12it looked like
20:13it'd been
20:13in that position
20:14and in that place
20:15for many years.
20:20We didn't know
20:21who the person was
20:22and we didn't know
20:24if the person
20:24had been murdered
20:25or if this was
20:26a natural death.
20:30Every square inch
20:31around the site
20:32of the body
20:32had to be photographed
20:34and recorded
20:35before it was moved.
20:37The examination
20:38of this scene
20:39was really pretty
20:40complex
20:40and it took
20:41pretty much
20:42a full month.
20:44There was no need
20:44to get the body
20:45out quickly
20:45to risk destroying
20:46evidence.
20:47We didn't know
20:48if it was a homicide
20:49but we treated it
20:50as if it was
20:51a homicide
20:51from the outset
20:52to make sure
20:53that we gave it
20:54the gold standard
20:54forensic approach.
20:58Before the body
20:59was removed
20:59on the 1st of October
21:01detectives called
21:02on the help
21:02of forensic soil
21:03scientist
21:04Lorna Dawson.
21:06There was an area
21:08of dark mulch
21:10staining
21:10which she was
21:11quite interested in
21:12and when she
21:14analysed them
21:14told us that
21:15the body
21:16had most probably
21:17been moved
21:18into the cupboard
21:19sometime after death.
21:25This threw up
21:26more questions.
21:28Why had the body
21:29been moved there
21:29and how long
21:31had it been there?
21:33The police
21:34were considering
21:35that the body
21:36had likely
21:37been there
21:37about 10 years.
21:39All the chemistry
21:40that we were analysing
21:42was really pointing
21:43to a much shorter
21:45time period
21:46than that.
21:46Certainly less
21:47than a year.
21:50we were able
21:51to look at
21:52the samples
21:53that were found
21:54under the body.
21:56I could see
21:57these little mites
21:58crawling about
21:59in the sample.
22:00So a colleague
22:01of mine
22:01could then
22:02take those samples
22:03and from the
22:04biology of that mite
22:06work out even
22:07closer
22:08how long
22:09that body
22:09had been there
22:10and they could
22:11identify that
22:12that body
22:13had been there
22:13for a period
22:13of nine months
22:15maximum.
22:18So what that
22:19information did
22:20was allow
22:22Police Scotland
22:22to then look
22:24at people
22:25that had perhaps
22:26gone missing
22:26very recently.
22:30Their evidence
22:31was really,
22:32really crucial
22:32in allowing us
22:34to focus the timeline
22:36roughly autumn,
22:37winter of 2019
22:38in an effort
22:39to identify
22:39who the person
22:40was.
22:42The post-mortem
22:44examination
22:44couldn't confirm
22:45a cause of death
22:46due to the
22:47decomposition
22:49but it established
22:50the body recovered
22:51was male.
22:53Investigators
22:54then sent scans
22:55and images
22:55of the man
22:56to an expert
22:57who created
22:58a likeness.
23:01Police have released
23:02a facial reconstruction
23:03of a man
23:04whose remains
23:04were found
23:05in Fife
23:06two months ago.
23:07Today the detective
23:08leading the inquiry
23:09unveiled this image
23:10is being created
23:11by specialists
23:12at Liverpool
23:12John Moores University.
23:14I'm confident
23:15that it's close enough
23:16to the likeness
23:18of this man
23:18that if somebody
23:19knew him
23:19and they saw
23:20this image
23:21then they would
23:21be able to
23:22recognise him.
23:24Within hours
23:25of that going
23:26live in the news
23:28we had a phone call
23:29into the instant room
23:30who suggested
23:31that the male
23:32resembled
23:33Ian Coots.
23:39And when familial
23:40DNA tests
23:41were conducted
23:42detectives
23:43were able
23:43to confirm
23:44he was the victim.
23:47Ian Coots
23:48lived in a
23:49flat in
23:50King Lassie
23:51in just a short
23:52distance from
23:53where his body
23:54was found.
24:00That was a huge
24:01moment in the inquiry
24:02we now knew
24:03who the victim
24:05was
24:05and we could
24:06start to
24:07really look
24:08into his life.
24:09The victimology
24:10as we call it
24:12is an old saying
24:13in the police
24:14that if you can
24:14find out
24:15how somebody
24:15lived
24:15you'll find out
24:17how they died.
24:21Ian Coots
24:22was 61 years
24:23old
24:24and he was
24:25an army veteran
24:26he was quite
24:27vulnerable
24:28he was liked
24:29in the village
24:30liked to drink
24:31and he liked
24:31to socialise
24:32with his friends
24:32but he didn't
24:33cause anybody
24:34any harm
24:35and he was
24:36really a man
24:36of routine
24:37and you know
24:38that routine
24:39had come
24:40to an abrupt
24:40end
24:41and it was
24:42actually quite
24:43sad that
24:43nobody
24:44really flagged
24:45it up
24:45that Ian
24:46had disappeared.
24:49Detectives
24:50discovered
24:50Ian Coots
24:51council flat
24:52had been
24:52treated as
24:53abandoned
24:53new tenants
24:54had moved
24:54in and
24:55decorated
24:55so there
24:56was little
24:56hope of
24:57any
24:57forensic
24:58evidence
24:58but his
24:59neighbours
25:00provided
25:00valuable
25:01insight
25:01into Ian's
25:02life.
25:03And they
25:04were able
25:04to give us
25:05an account
25:05of his
25:06movements
25:07right up
25:08until
25:08September
25:08of 2019
25:09and there
25:11was an
25:11individual
25:12who was
25:13at Ian's
25:15house
25:15on a regular
25:15basis.
25:18A much
25:19younger male
25:20who was
25:21carrying out
25:21some DIY
25:22and decorating
25:23work
25:25and once
25:26Ian went
25:26missing
25:27this individual
25:29appeared to
25:29be still
25:30attending at
25:31the house
25:32on a regular
25:32basis.
25:35This individual
25:36definitely had
25:36a story to
25:37tell in relation
25:38to Ian's
25:38disappearance.
25:43You can
25:44find out
25:44exactly who
25:45that
25:45decorator
25:46was and
25:46what part
25:47he played
25:47in Ian
25:48Cootes'
25:48disappearance
25:49later on
25:50in the
25:50programme.
25:51Now you
25:52might have
25:52seen in
25:52the news
25:53about the
25:53two
25:53journalists
25:54who uncovered
25:55a group
25:55of men
25:56covertly
25:56filming
25:57women on
25:58nights out
25:58and then
25:59posting that
26:00footage for
26:00profit.
26:01Now it's
26:02not a crime
26:02but I mean
26:03it's really
26:04creepy and
26:04very questionable
26:05isn't it
26:05to say the
26:06least.
26:06Well we're
26:07now with
26:08Shona Elliott
26:08who was
26:08part of
26:09that undercover
26:10investigation
26:11and Anna
26:11Rose who
26:12was actually
26:12filmed without
26:13her knowledge.
26:15Good morning
26:15to you both.
26:16Shona if I
26:16just start
26:17with you what
26:17spurred you
26:18on to be
26:19part of this
26:19investigation in
26:20the first
26:20place?
26:21So I
26:22started seeing
26:23nightlife
26:23walking tours
26:24posted online
26:25and these
26:25videos they
26:26claim to be
26:27documenting the
26:27nightlife in
26:28big party
26:28areas but what
26:30they're actually
26:30doing is
26:31filming women
26:32often in very
26:33vulnerable
26:34circumstances
26:34and what I
26:36noticed about
26:37this footage
26:37is that none
26:38of the women
26:38looked like
26:39they knew
26:39they were
26:40being filmed
26:40so it looked
26:41like it was
26:41being gathered
26:42covertly.
26:43So I started
26:44gathering every
26:44account I came
26:45across and quite
26:46quickly had 65
26:47accounts that were
26:48posted in this
26:49footage and
26:50between them
26:50they had a
26:51viewership of
26:52more than 3
26:52billion.
26:53Wow.
26:54Gosh that's
26:55loads isn't it
26:55and it's such a
26:56violation and we've
26:57got some of the
26:58footage haven't
26:59we to show that
27:00you collected
27:00because there's
27:01as you say
27:02loads of these
27:02videos and can
27:04you just tell us
27:04a bit about that
27:05why are there so
27:05many of these?
27:06So what our
27:07investigation found
27:08is it seems that
27:09it all comes back
27:10to money so most
27:11of the accounts
27:12that I identified
27:12monetise their
27:13content in some
27:14way either through
27:15ad revenue or
27:16different subscription
27:17models so one
27:18account we
27:19identified it
27:20offers the chance
27:20to pay £3 a
27:22month and then
27:22you get access
27:23to different and
27:24new content or
27:25you can do a
27:25one-off payment
27:26of £400 and
27:28actually choose
27:29the location that
27:29they film in.
27:30Now I've taken
27:31all of this
27:32information to the
27:33University of
27:34Surrey and
27:34experts there
27:35told me that
27:37people could be
27:38making hundreds
27:39and thousands of
27:40pounds by posting
27:41this footage.
27:41It's just a whole
27:43this.
27:44This is staggering
27:45hearing that people
27:47can make money
27:47from this sort of
27:48thing and Anna
27:49Rose you seem
27:50very uncomfortable
27:51when you were
27:52just hearing that
27:52hearing what
27:53Shona was saying
27:54there and there's
27:54very good reason
27:55because you were
27:57actually filmed
27:58without you knowing
27:59that was posted
28:00online.
28:00Tell us what
28:01happened.
28:01Yeah so my
28:03friend's partner
28:04actually spotted
28:04the first video
28:06and sent it to
28:07her and at first
28:08we were like okay
28:09what's going on
28:10here is like a
28:10fashion page or
28:11something and then
28:11we looked into it
28:13and we just see
28:14girls upon girls
28:15upon girls and
28:17then the next
28:17thought that came
28:18was like is it
28:18some sort of
28:19trafficking like
28:20what is going on
28:21like what is this.
28:22And it was you
28:23and your friends
28:24wasn't it that
28:25were all filming.
28:26I mean how did
28:26you all feel
28:27about it?
28:28It was weird
28:29because you can't
28:30see anyone filming
28:31you because we
28:32weren't drunk
28:33we were very
28:33sober so you're
28:35walking normally
28:36as you would
28:37and the next
28:37thing you know
28:37you see yourself
28:38online and you
28:39don't see anybody
28:40filming.
28:40It's so creepy
28:41it's so it's
28:43so disturbing.
28:44And all the
28:45comments as well
28:46that's the other
28:46thing because people
28:47watching this so
28:48then giving their
28:49opinions.
28:50Giving their opinions
28:50and making the
28:52rudest most
28:53nastiest comments
28:53and a lot of
28:54these it's
28:55majority men as
28:56well are fathers
28:57and husbands
28:58it's like if
28:59how would you
29:01feel if this
29:01was your daughter
29:02or your wife
29:03or your sister
29:04it's just so
29:06it's there's no
29:07words to put
29:08into how it
29:09makes you feel
29:09but it's.
29:10I can only
29:11imagine I can
29:12only imagine
29:12and Shona
29:13this isn't
29:14isolated just
29:15hearing Anna
29:15Rose's story
29:16you you tracked
29:17down a number
29:17of of women
29:19that this had
29:20happened to
29:21didn't you?
29:21Yes so I've
29:22identified more
29:23than 50
29:23women who
29:24have been
29:24filmed and
29:25most of
29:25these women
29:26were filmed
29:26in Manchester
29:27which seems
29:28to be a
29:28really popular
29:29place for
29:30people to
29:30come and
29:31film this
29:31type of
29:31content.
29:32Now one
29:33woman I
29:33spoke to
29:34she was
29:34just 18
29:35when she
29:35was filmed
29:36and the
29:36video of
29:37her has
29:37more than
29:373 million
29:38views.
29:40She
29:41described
29:42the experience
29:42to me and
29:43she said
29:43that she
29:44doesn't like
29:44going out
29:45in the city
29:45anymore
29:45because she
29:46just doesn't
29:46feel safe
29:47and she's
29:47worried that
29:47she's going
29:48to be filmed
29:48again.
29:49If there
29:50isn't enough
29:50going on to
29:51not women's
29:52confidence
29:52that doesn't
29:53help does
29:53it?
29:53That's
29:54exactly what
29:55she said
29:55to me
29:55that it
29:56had really
29:56knocked her
29:57confidence.
29:58Another woman
29:58that I
29:59spoke to
29:59only found
30:00out that
30:01she had
30:01been filmed
30:02and posted
30:02online when
30:03her younger
30:03brother sent
30:04her the
30:04footage.
30:05The footage
30:06of her
30:06was quite
30:07explicit and
30:08she said
30:08it was
30:09humiliating to
30:10receive this
30:10from her
30:11brother.
30:11Can we talk
30:12about the
30:13men doing
30:13this?
30:14How are
30:14they doing
30:14it?
30:15You managed
30:15to track
30:16some of
30:16them down
30:16didn't
30:16you?
30:17As you
30:17were saying
30:19you don't
30:20see the
30:20cameras and
30:21things do
30:21you?
30:21The men
30:23that are
30:24filming this
30:24content were
30:25really difficult
30:26to trace and
30:27this is because
30:27they post from
30:28anonymous accounts
30:29but we knew
30:31that a really
30:31popular filming
30:32date for them
30:33was Halloween
30:33weekend in
30:34Manchester so
30:35myself and my
30:36colleague Agbi
30:37Smitten actually
30:38went undercover and
30:39that was just some
30:40of our footage
30:40there.
30:41You can see
30:42these two men
30:43that were filming
30:44two of the five
30:45men that we saw
30:46filming that night
30:46are pretending to
30:48text on their
30:48phones we think
30:49and then the
30:50small handheld
30:50cameras are
30:51held just
30:52below.
30:52So you can
30:53sort of see
30:53the phone
30:54but that's
30:55not what's
30:56doing all the
30:56recording here
30:57then.
30:57It's what's
30:58in the other
30:58hand the
30:59small really
31:00small device
31:01and that's
31:02the camera.
31:02It is the
31:03camera it's
31:04always held
31:04down quite
31:04low and
31:05when you
31:06walk past
31:06it it
31:07really looks
31:07quite similar
31:08to a
31:08vape something
31:09that you see
31:10on a night
31:10out all the
31:10time and
31:11I was out
31:12there looking
31:13for these
31:13cameras and
31:14even I was
31:14walking past
31:15and missing
31:15them so they
31:16are really
31:16difficult to
31:17spot.
31:17Yeah and
31:19I mean you
31:19went on to
31:19confront some
31:20of these
31:20men as well
31:21didn't you?
31:21Yes we did
31:23we contacted
31:24all the men
31:25that we saw
31:25filming and
31:27asked them
31:27questions about
31:28why they were
31:28doing this.
31:29Now only two
31:29of them got
31:30back to us
31:30and both have
31:31denied any
31:32wrongdoing.
31:33Yeah because
31:33it's important to
31:34point out again
31:34it's not illegal
31:35isn't it?
31:36It's not.
31:37It sort of falls
31:38between the cracks
31:38in the law.
31:39I mean there are
31:40talks about making
31:41it a specific
31:41offence but at
31:42the time it's
31:43not.
31:43Anna Rose
31:44if you were
31:46to have an
31:47opportunity to
31:48speak to one
31:48of the people
31:49that was
31:49filming yourself
31:50or one of
31:51your friends
31:52secretly or
31:53covertly in
31:54this way
31:54what would
31:54you say to
31:55them?
31:56I would say
31:57to them that
31:58there's so many
31:59ways this could
32:00have gone.
32:02They could have
32:03used their
32:04camera skills to
32:05film something
32:07so beautiful
32:07and make it so
32:08creative whether
32:08film fashion or
32:09just the different
32:10kind of communities
32:11but instead they
32:13chose to use it
32:13to knock
32:14confidence to
32:16incite just
32:18hatred towards
32:19innocent women
32:19who wanted to
32:20just go out
32:21have fun and
32:24just stop.
32:26I can see it's
32:27really wearing on
32:28you as well
32:29isn't it?
32:29You're so
32:30frustrated by this.
32:31Because I'm
32:32sure they have
32:32wives, they have
32:33daughters, they
32:33have sisters and
32:35if one of them
32:35were to be on
32:37one of these
32:37pages I'm pretty
32:39sure they wouldn't
32:39like it so why
32:40would you do it
32:40to other people
32:41daughters?
32:41Well said.
32:43Thank you both so
32:43much.
32:44Thank you for
32:44coming in and
32:45sharing your
32:45experiences for
32:46us as well and
32:47let's hope this
32:47stops others from
32:48doing it.
32:49Let's hope so.
32:51Now back to our
32:52film with Police
32:53Scotland.
32:54After identifying
32:55the remains of
32:56veteran Ian
32:56Cootes,
32:57detectives are
32:58determined to
32:59find his
32:59killer.
33:04Police had been
33:05told about a
33:06young man who'd
33:07been seen at
33:07Ian's house
33:08before he'd
33:09disappeared but
33:10also after.
33:12The individual
33:13that the
33:14neighbours had
33:15seen was a
33:16local man and
33:17his name was
33:18David Barnes.
33:22And then we
33:23started to build
33:24up a picture of
33:25David Barnes'
33:26life.
33:31Around about the
33:32time that Ian
33:32went missing he'd
33:33actually received a
33:35significant back
33:35payment in relation
33:37to benefits.
33:38and we could see
33:39that David Barnes
33:40had set up an
33:41online transaction
33:42service in Ian
33:43Cootes' name and
33:45this was set up
33:46after Ian Cootes
33:48had last been seen
33:48alive.
33:51So that was a real
33:53pivotal moment in the
33:54investigation.
33:57analysis of Ian
33:58Cootes' phone data
33:59also revealed further
34:01suspicious activity.
34:03There was some
34:05activity on his
34:05phone after he was
34:06last seen alive.
34:08That included a
34:10text to Ian's
34:11sister Audrey.
34:12And in that text
34:13message he asked
34:14her for a lend of
34:16some money and
34:18with the telecoms
34:19data we were able
34:20to say that both
34:21David Barnes and
34:22Ian Cootes'
34:22handsets were in
34:24the same local
34:25area at the time.
34:28Investigators also
34:29suspected Barnes
34:30pretended to be
34:31Ian Cootes in a
34:32call made to the
34:33Department of Work
34:34and Pensions.
34:36Which stated that
34:37Ian was living in a
34:39caravan in England
34:40and that he'd found
34:41work and no longer
34:42needed his benefits.
34:46With evidence
34:47mounting against
34:48David Barnes.
34:50On the 12th of
34:51January 2021 he
34:53was arrested and
34:54warrants were issued
34:55for a search of his
34:56property and car.
34:58And he was brought
34:59to the police station
35:00and interviewed.
35:02Unfortunately he
35:03elected to say no
35:04comment to everything
35:05and it was agreed
35:07at this stage he
35:09should be released
35:09pending further
35:10investigations.
35:14Having to release
35:15him knowing we were
35:16confident that this
35:18was our man it was
35:19a very frustrating
35:19day.
35:23Investigators had to
35:23present a watertight
35:25case to ensure a
35:26conviction and began a
35:27painstaking sift of
35:29rubbish that had been
35:30bagged up as evidence
35:31from the unit where
35:32Ian Cootes' body was
35:33recovered.
35:35And we were looking
35:36for anything at all.
35:37We didn't know what
35:38we might find but just
35:40any evidence that
35:41might link somebody to
35:43that area.
35:44The meticulous search
35:46paid off, finally
35:47answering how Ian
35:49Cootes' body had
35:50ended up in the unit.
35:51We found a piece of
35:53paper which had
35:54partial name, a bank
35:56account number on it
35:57and we were able to
35:58link that piece of
35:59paper to Ian Cootes'
36:01upstairs neighbour.
36:03When we contacted him
36:04about that he told us
36:06that he would have put
36:06that piece of paper into
36:07his black wheelie bin
36:08that went missing.
36:15The upstairs neighbour
36:16saw David Barnes pulling
36:18that wheelie bin which
36:19appeared to be really
36:19very heavy, pulling it
36:21into the back of a silver
36:23Volkswagen Golf.
36:27Thankfully, the witnesses
36:28had taken a photograph
36:30of this Golf and you
36:32could see David Barnes
36:33inside.
36:36This witness challenged
36:38David, said,
36:38why have you taken my bin?
36:40And David said to him,
36:41don't worry, just use
36:42Ian's.
36:45In all likelihood,
36:46Ian probably was in the
36:47bin at that time.
36:53Detectives then turned
36:54to soil samples
36:55recovered from Barnes'
36:57car, which was examined
36:58by Lorna Dawson
36:59and her team.
37:01We identified by
37:02looking under the
37:03microscope, these tiny
37:05little flakes of red
37:07paint.
37:09So the chemist
37:10analysed it and found
37:12that the red paint
37:13that was found in the
37:14soil was similar to
37:16that of the red paint
37:18that was on the floor
37:19at that unit.
37:25The person who'd
37:26stood and driven
37:27that vehicle had been
37:30the person that had
37:31taken Mr. Coutts'
37:32body to the unit
37:45on the 15th of December,
37:472021, almost a year
37:50after he was first
37:51arrested, Barnes was
37:52arrested again.
37:56He was found guilty at
37:58trial and in December
37:592023, he was
38:01sentenced.
38:03A man who murdered
38:04an army veteran and
38:05dumped his body in a
38:06disused building in Fife
38:08has been told he will
38:08spend at least 23 years
38:10in jail.
38:11David Barnes killed
38:12Ian Coutts in 2019
38:14before taking his body
38:16to the industrial unit
38:17near Glenorthis.
38:22To help the investigators
38:24narrow that time window
38:26down, I think we can
38:28all feel very proud that
38:29that has helped bring
38:30justice for the family
38:32of Ian Coutts.
38:33And that will remain
38:35with me.
38:37It was really a proud
38:39moment, certainly for me
38:40personally, but for the
38:41wider team.
38:43Equally, the family of Ian Coutts,
38:45who were present in court
38:46each day, means a lot to
38:47them, and that his killer
38:49was going to spend a lot
38:50of time in prison.
38:54Wow, what a result there.
38:55Now, earlier, we talked
38:56about the men secretly
38:58filming women on nights
38:59out, and I'm not saying
39:01our next item is the
39:02answer to that problem,
39:03but it is about kickboxing.
39:04We've got some brilliant
39:05kickboxers here with us
39:07because our next guests
39:08have started an initiative,
39:10well, as you can see,
39:11packs a punch.
39:12James Inge is an
39:14instructor who's been
39:14working with Sergeant
39:15Chloe Spencer from the
39:17Leeds South Neighbourhood
39:18Police Team.
39:19Thank you for coming in.
39:20I already feel exhausted
39:21just next to them.
39:22But, James, this is an
39:24initiative you're doing
39:24with the police, and it's
39:26not just about self-defence,
39:27is it?
39:27Give us a flavour of what
39:28it's about.
39:29No, it's all about creating
39:30a community for all women,
39:33you know, to help empower
39:34them, give them more
39:35confidence, but to create,
39:36like, a safe space as well.
39:38And during our classes, we
39:40have Chloe Spencer here who
39:42actually comes in and works
39:44to have been in the classes
39:44with us, and she's there
39:47basically if they want to
39:48talk at any point.
39:50So, yeah.
39:51Really good idea.
39:52So, Chloe, tell us about
39:53your side of this.
39:55So, you're from the
39:55Neighbourhood Police Team.
39:56Tell us about that and then
39:57how you got involved in it.
39:58Yes, so James contacted
40:00myself about another
40:01initiative he's working on,
40:02and we sat down together
40:03and we just came up with
40:04this really good idea.
40:06You know, it's not about
40:07utilising women with the
40:08skills to protect themselves,
40:09it's about creating that
40:10safe space and boost
40:12confidence.
40:12It also highlights the
40:14importance of the police
40:16working with community
40:17partners such as James,
40:19you know, to create those
40:19safe spaces for everyone.
40:21Yeah, and it's an
40:21important point, because I
40:22was chatting to girls
40:23earlier about that
40:23confidence boost to this,
40:25because this is more than
40:26just a class you might do
40:27in a leisure centre, James.
40:28Yeah, it is, by far.
40:30So, what we're trying to
40:32create is something that's
40:34so diverse, it's everywhere.
40:36We're trying to create
40:37something where it engulfs
40:40Leeds and where I'm from,
40:42and then people from, like,
40:44Scotland will pick up on it
40:45and people from Wales and,
40:47like, everywhere, and it
40:48will become such a big
40:49thing eventually.
40:50We really want to try and
40:51change things for, like,
40:55safety for women and
40:56things like that and just
40:57create something that's
40:58outstanding.
40:59Can you show us some moves
41:00then?
41:00I mean, I'm probably not
41:01dressed for this, but we'll
41:02have a go anyway.
41:02What's the kind of key one
41:04that I should know?
41:05So, the first thing that
41:06you should always remember
41:06is with any movement that
41:08you do, you should do
41:08what's called a chamber.
41:10So, a lot of people, when
41:10they kick, they'll bring
41:11their legs out like this
41:12and they'll kick, but
41:13there's no power to that.
41:15So, when you kick, you
41:15want to come up and then
41:16you want to chamber, and
41:17that gives you the power.
41:19Introduce your hips as
41:20well, so you can get that
41:21full kick.
41:22That's a good kick.
41:23Is it?
41:23It's a very good kick.
41:24Oh, very good.
41:24This might be my Irish
41:25dancer not to do this.
41:27It's hard for me not to
41:28pull a gurney first,
41:29though, which is not
41:29attractive.
41:31Chloe, tell me about the
41:32impact that this has had
41:33as well, because, you
41:33know, we've mentioned
41:34the reaction, but also
41:35really good for the
41:36community, I bet.
41:37Yeah, absolutely, and
41:38like we said, when I go
41:39to the classes, we all
41:40just have a laugh and
41:41have fun, and that's
41:43what it's about.
41:43It's about people
41:44enjoying themselves, and
41:45I'm there so people can
41:47chat to me about
41:47anything, and it just
41:49breaks down those
41:49barriers.
41:50Do you know, I bet it
41:51helps in terms of your
41:52relationship for the
41:53police, for the
41:53community, too.
41:55Yeah, absolutely, and
41:56like I've already
41:57touched on, it's really
41:58important for the
41:59police to work with
41:59those community
42:00partners, to integrate
42:02within the community.
42:03Can you do it, then?
42:05I'm practising.
42:05Go on, give us a
42:06move, you're here, go
42:07on.
42:08Well, like you said, use
42:09your chambers and legs
42:10up, and then, pooh!
42:13It's all about the
42:14sound effects.
42:15Yeah, I bet it is.
42:15You're very good at it.
42:16And what is it about
42:18kickboxing in particular
42:19that kind of builds up
42:20confidence and things,
42:21James?
42:23So, it's about turning
42:25up.
42:25When you actually turn up
42:26to these classes, that's
42:27your first point of
42:28confidence, it's actually
42:30coming there and then
42:31doing it.
42:31Once you're there, you
42:32actually realise that
42:33the confidence is
42:35natural.
42:35It's in everybody.
42:37Yeah.
42:37You just don't realise
42:38it's there until you
42:39get in.
42:39And you see that every
42:40day, not just in my
42:41kids' classes, but also
42:45within the ladies.
42:46Like, you just see
42:47the confidence grow.
42:47So, it's really made a
42:48difference.
42:49It's so good to have you
42:49explaining it.
42:50And thank you very
42:51much.
42:51You can relax now.
42:52We'd better get them
42:52a drink.
42:55Feel a lot safer
42:55over here.
42:56And that's all we have
42:57time for today.
42:58Remember, you can watch
42:59all the series so far
42:59on iPlayer.
43:00Tomorrow, more
43:01appeals, another
43:02exclusive interview.
43:03This time with a
43:04detective who caught
43:0515-year-old Eliane
43:06Andam's killer after
43:08she was stabbed at a
43:09bus stop over an
43:10argument about a
43:11teddy bear.
43:12I have never dealt
43:13with cases with that
43:15level of emotion.
43:16Almost Croydon stopped
43:18for 24, 48 hours.
43:20The community were
43:22absolutely devastated by
43:24what happened to Eliane.
43:26Wow, such a powerful
43:27film.
43:28We will see you
43:28tomorrow, but for now,
43:29goodbye.
43:29Bye.
43:59Bye.
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