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00:27Good morning and thank you for joining us.
00:29And a very warm welcome to Steph McGovern back again.
00:33Thank you very much, Rav. It is lovely to be here.
00:36We've got a jam-packed show for you today as well,
00:38so do stay watching if you have any information about our appeals.
00:43Get in touch as your calls really do make a difference.
00:45Coming up, a smash and grab in a Bristol jewellery shop.
00:50You know the people taking a five-finger discount.
00:55We have an appeal from the family of Armand Shakur.
00:58The 16-year-old was killed back in 2018,
01:01but his family still need to know what happened.
01:06We're still baffled, you know, why did this happen?
01:09Who did it? Why would they want to do it?
01:12What could a 16-year-old have done, which was so bad, to be shot in the face?
01:18We will also be hearing how a grisly discovery made by an urban explorer
01:23led to a full-scale murder investigation in Scotland.
01:28I've seen many dead bodies in my career, but never one in this condition.
01:35We didn't know who the person was, and we didn't know if the person had been murdered.
01:42And we're talking about the creepy rise in covert filming of women on nights out.
01:47Now, they have no idea they're being recorded,
01:50and yet paid-up subscribers are able to watch them online.
01:54Some of those clips have been viewed literally millions of times.
01:58As ever, the officers and our team are here in our studio in the heart of Cardiff,
02:02ready to take your calls, and there are plenty of ways you can get in touch.
02:06Yes, there are. You can scan the QR code below using your phone's camera,
02:11and then follow the link, or you can call us on 08000 468 999.
02:16You can text us on 63399, start with the word CRIME,
02:21leave a space, and then write your text, or email us, cwl at bbc.co.uk.
02:28And those details will be on your screen throughout the programme, just down by the clock.
02:32Now, let's start with a really positive update on the murder of 35-year-old Jennifer Keeley
02:39that we featured several times before on Crimewatch.
02:43Now, we spoke to her mum back in 2021.
02:47I raised a perfect child. She was sweet, loving, giving, ambitious.
02:55She was a nice girl, very nice girl, very pretty.
02:59She was a very good kid.
03:01That's why it's so hard to take this in, that she's no longer with us.
03:06You know, that's the hard part.
03:10Gosh, you can see the pain etched on her face there.
03:13Well, in January 2005, her body was discovered near the seafront in Hollywell in Eastbourne.
03:19Jennifer, who lived on the streets at the time, had an injury to the back of her head,
03:24had been stabbed, and her body had been set on fire.
03:28It really was a gruesome attack, which police believed had been sexually motivated.
03:33At the time, some DNA had been recovered from a cigarette butt that was found at the scene.
03:37It contained a full DNA profile of a man, which matched a sample found on Jennifer's body.
03:43But unfortunately, it didn't throw up any matches on the national databases at the time.
03:48Then, in 2018, Sussex police had a major breakthrough using a familial DNA strategy.
03:54They identified a list of names, but it was in the thousands.
03:58So they then meticulously worked through each name,
04:01and in 2024, were able to whittle it down to a suspect called Keith Dowbeckin.
04:07Now, he also used the alias Keith Black and Keith Broadbent.
04:11It was originally from the north-west of England,
04:13but police were able to confirm that he had stayed in Eastbourne several times
04:18and that he associated with members of the homeless community.
04:21They also discovered that Dowbeckin had actually been arrested by police in Norfolk
04:26in connection to two separate rape offences.
04:30That was in Great Yarmouth in 2003 and 2004.
04:33So this was just a short time before Jennifer's murder.
04:37At the time, his DNA was taken, but because he was eliminated as a suspect,
04:42it wasn't stored on the database.
04:44But now police are certain that he was responsible for killing Jennifer Keeley.
04:50However, he died in 2014 at the age of 60, having never faced justice for this awful crime.
04:56Now, Jennifer's family issued a tribute to her, saying,
05:00Our mum was more than her struggles.
05:03She was a gentle, funny and creative soul.
05:06After 20 years, my family and I are grateful for the resolution of her case
05:11and for the hard work of those who never gave up.
05:14I hope her story encourages compassion for those experiencing homelessness
05:19and the stigma surrounding mental health.
05:23A heartfelt tribute there.
05:25And now we have another one for our first appeal.
05:28This is from the family of 16-year-old Aman Shakur,
05:31who went out one night and simply never came home again.
05:35As you can imagine, this film has some strong images.
05:40Your mind is just numb.
05:42You can't actually believe something like this could ever happen to your child.
05:53In April 2018, schoolboy Aman Shakur was living at home with his family in Walthamstow.
06:04He was a regular young 16-year-old.
06:08He was finding himself.
06:09He was finding his personality, what it was all about, what he wanted to do.
06:13He used to love going out with his friends.
06:16And he just came across as a lovely boy.
06:26On the evening of 2nd of April 2018,
06:30Aman received a phone call from one of his friends asking him to come out.
06:36Aman said,
06:37Look, I'm tired now.
06:39But his friend insisted.
06:46Aman cycled to Walthamstow Leisure Centre.
06:51We know that he had at least three friends present,
06:54but there are other people close by that he may know or may not have been aware of,
06:59but there was a slightly larger group.
07:01Just before 10 p.m., a white Hyundai pulled up near the group.
07:09Two people have got out of that car.
07:12One has a large machete.
07:17And one has a shotgun.
07:30A man was shot, once in the arm and once in the face.
07:34Then the attackers turned their attention to the rest of the group.
07:38A friend of his has been attacked very violently with the machete.
07:44After this very brutal and very quick attack,
07:47they have then fled the scene.
07:56The gunman was captured fleeing on CCTV.
08:04The white Hyundai was later found burnt out.
08:10I had a feeling inside me that something wasn't right.
08:13Without telling anybody, I picked up my car keys
08:16and I just got into the car and just started driving.
08:20And when I got to the bottom of Abba Road,
08:24the area was cordoned off with blue tape.
08:26I said, my nephew happened to be there at the time
08:29and then he told me, he said, Amman's being shot.
08:34Obviously, I just sort of froze in shock
08:37because I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
08:42One minute, he's at home having his meal
08:45and then next minute he gets called out and this happens.
08:50Just beyond comprehension.
08:53Overnight, surgeons fought to save Amman's life.
08:58We had a feeling that it wasn't good.
09:03However, you know, you kind of, you live in hope.
09:08On the following day,
09:12I remember it was 2.30 in the afternoon.
09:15The surgeons told us that it was too late, basically,
09:21that nothing could be done.
09:22That was one of the most hardest things
09:25that I've ever lived through.
09:30We couldn't believe this was happening to us.
09:32You know, I was just hoping it's a bad dream
09:34and we're just going to wake up and it will all be over.
09:39At 2.30, Amman's life support was turned off.
09:45Amman was a very strong boy.
09:48From 2.30 to 5.45 p.m. that afternoon,
09:57he managed to survive on his own.
10:02It was 5.45 that day when he passed away.
10:12Your life changes permanently.
10:19With a 16-year-old schoolboy dead,
10:22police are bewildered as to what may have been the motive
10:26for this apparently senseless crime.
10:29Amman happened to be talking to people
10:31or associating with people on that evening
10:34who may have been the target.
10:36And so the pure motive has never really been established.
10:42We're still baffled, you know,
10:44why did this happen?
10:45Who did it?
10:45Why would they want to do it?
10:48What could a 16-year-old have done
10:50which was so bad
10:53to be shot in the face?
10:59You've actually taken it upon yourself
11:02to take someone's life,
11:05given a lifetime of grief and misery to a family
11:09who you don't even know.
11:12Almost eight years on from the murder,
11:15Amman's killer remains at large.
11:18I believe that there are people who are present
11:21who know who have committed this murder
11:22and we really need them to come forward
11:25and tell us what they know
11:26so that we're able to progress this for Amman's family.
11:33The one thing which would give us a little bit of peace in our hearts
11:39would be some form of justice.
11:42One day, I'm confident that justice will prevail.
11:49I'm now with Detective Superintendent Kelly Allen from the Met Police,
11:52who you saw from the film there.
11:54Kelly, this is such an incredibly sad case
11:57and we can see the pain on the family.
11:59How are they doing now?
12:00I know you and your team have been dealing with them.
12:02Yeah, they are still devastated.
12:04They're as devastated as they were nearly eight years ago.
12:06They are absolutely determined, though,
12:08to get justice for Amman, as are we.
12:10Yeah, I hope we can do exactly that today and help towards it.
12:14Tell us a little bit about Amman, that young 16-year-old.
12:17Yeah, so he had his whole life ahead of him.
12:1916-year-old, quite quiet.
12:21He liked to spend time with his family, his friends, his games console.
12:25You know, just a regular kid who had his future ahead of him.
12:30Yeah, just a typical 16-year-old, eh?
12:33Tell us the events that we know that happened that night, then.
12:35Let's recap what occurred.
12:37Yeah, so he was at home with his family in Walthamstow.
12:39He was having some food, playing on his games console,
12:42and we know that one of his friends has asked him to come out,
12:45and he has reluctantly agreed.
12:47He didn't really want to go.
12:48It was quite late.
12:49This was happening between sort of nine and half past nine.
12:52But unfortunately, he did agree to go and meet his friend.
12:56And he leaves his house on his bike
12:58and goes to Walthamstow Leisure Centre, which is in Mark House Road.
13:02He's there with his friends, small group of people,
13:05and a car approaches, three people in the car, two people get out.
13:10And there is a violent attack in which he's shot twice.
13:13And his friend is violently attacked with a large machete
13:17before the suspects make off very quickly.
13:20Absolutely horrific.
13:21And what do you know about what happened after the attack?
13:26Yeah, so they very quickly flee the scene in a white High Hyundai,
13:30and they go down Mark House Road.
13:32That vehicle is, as you can see here, is travelling down.
13:36So we managed to find that vehicle in Durban Road,
13:39where it was burnt out.
13:41OK.
13:41Now, the footage, it's not the clearest,
13:43which is often the case, as you as detectives have to deal with.
13:46But you've managed to get enough information
13:48to see what type of vehicle that would have been.
13:50And here we can see it here.
13:51So what's this?
13:52Yeah, so it's a white Hyundai iX35.
13:56This was stolen a couple of days before the murder.
13:58So we're really trying to understand what their vehicle was before.
14:02And also, we know that it was burnt out in Durban Road.
14:04So who saw that, if they could come forward?
14:07Could be crucial information.
14:08Now, there's another piece of CCTV that you provided us here.
14:11Just talk us through what we can see here.
14:13This is just really shocking footage.
14:14It shows the suspect who has shot and killed a man
14:17running down the street with a loaded shotgun.
14:21Yeah, we can actually see in his hands clearly a firearm there.
14:26And this is literally after the incident.
14:28Now, it's not the clearest image.
14:30Again, it's often what you have to work with.
14:32But is there any description you could give of the person here?
14:35So the three people really involved, all very dark clothing,
14:38one with white trainers.
14:40It's more who knows these people that are responsible
14:43rather than trying to identify them from the footage.
14:46Yeah, such an awful attack there.
14:49And just seeing the fact he's got that shotgun or some sort of firearm,
14:52certainly in his hands as well.
14:54Now, there is a reward that has been put up,
14:57a substantial one at that, for information that leads to the arrest
15:00and conviction of the killer or killers.
15:02Tell us about that.
15:03So Amman's family have come together and managed to obtain £50,000
15:08for the successful arrest and prosecution of those responsible for his murder.
15:13And they are absolutely determined to get justice for Amman,
15:16and as are the police.
15:18If we just need new information, we need people to come forward
15:21and give us new lines of inquiry so that we can progress it
15:24and get them that justice.
15:25You say there it's a massive amount of money that the family themselves have put up,
15:29but you as the police, you want answers for this.
15:31I mean, Kelly, on a personal level, you've moved jobs
15:34and you still wanted to come here and do this appeal
15:36because you're passionate about getting answers for them.
15:38Yeah, I think we want to solve every murder.
15:40And this family have been waiting for eight years,
15:43eight years too long for the answers,
15:45and we really need this appeal with the reward
15:48to get us those new lines of inquiries
15:50so that the team can progress this murder investigation.
15:53And if anyone is really scared about giving you the information,
15:56there's even things that the Met could do to help with that.
15:59Yeah, absolutely.
15:59And I fully understand why people might be scared.
16:01This is a shooting,
16:03but there are absolutely special measures that we can give people
16:06to protect them if they come forward,
16:08but also they can give that information anonymously.
16:10We just need those leads to progress it for his family.
16:14Kelly, thank you.
16:15And if you know anything that could help solve this murder,
16:17the number to call is 0800 468 999.
16:20Other ways to get in touch are on your screen below.
16:24Well, now we've got an urgent appeal from Yvonne and Somerset Police
16:28about a smash and grab theft.
16:30Now, this happened on the 19th of December at 12.55 in the afternoon.
16:35So three men made their way into a jewellery studio
16:38on East Street in the Bedminster area of Bristol.
16:41And we've got some footage to show you of the CCTV of what happened.
16:45So you can see here the lads going in there.
16:47One man stayed on the door acting as a lookout whilst two other men entered a shop
16:53and used a hammer to break open one of the display cabinets,
16:57where they were then went on to steal multiple items of jewellery.
17:02Now, a staff member, as you can see, does attempt to challenge them,
17:05then backs off when he sees one of the suspects holding a hammer.
17:09The person on the lookout actually pushes one of the thieves back into the shop
17:14to steal even more jewellery.
17:16And police are particularly keen to identify this man who was part of the group.
17:22So you can see that he's described as a white male, estimated to be around five foot six.
17:27He's wearing this distinctive hooded jacket.
17:29And just to point out, we haven't blurred his face.
17:32That's actually a face covering that he's wearing there.
17:36Now, police are also looking for the items that were stolen.
17:40You can see some of them here.
17:41There's various bespoke pieces, including some very distinctive necklaces, pendants and bracelets.
17:49Now, you can see the full array of jewellery on our website.
17:52So have a good look at them.
17:54Now, this happened in the run up to Christmas.
17:57And so it wiped out a lot of this small businesses stock,
18:01which they estimate had a value of just over four and a half grand.
18:05I mean, that is a big hit for a small business to take.
18:08So do you recognise this man or have you seen any of those items of jewellery for sale?
18:14Get in touch if you know anything that could help.
18:16Our contact details are on your screen now.
18:20Now, our next film takes us to Scotland,
18:22where the sad discovery of some unidentified remains
18:26send detectives on the hunt for a killer.
18:32I've seen many dead bodies in my career,
18:36but never one in this condition.
18:40The person who'd driven that vehicle
18:42had been the person that had taken the body to the unit.
18:47Having to release him, knowing that this was our man,
18:50it was a very frustrating day.
19:0127th of September, 2020.
19:05An enthusiast was exploring a derelict industrial unit
19:10near Edinburgh Airport
19:11when he made a gruesome discovery.
19:17The initial 999 call which kicked off this case
19:20came from an urban explorer
19:22who was exploring the abandoned units.
19:28They'd found what they were describing as a human skeleton.
19:35I obviously had to go into the scene itself
19:37and see what we were dealing with.
19:40And I have to say, I was quite shocked.
19:43I've seen many dead bodies in my career,
19:46but never one in this condition.
19:52It appeared to me to be a deceased human
19:55who was skeletonised with evidence
19:57of what appeared to be mummified skin
20:00in on certain parts of the body.
20:04Couldn't tell whether it was a man or a woman,
20:07and I couldn't tell what age the person was.
20:10And to my untrained eye,
20:12it looked like it'd been in that position
20:14and in that place for many years.
20:20We didn't know who the person was,
20:22and we didn't know if the person had been murdered
20:25or if this was a natural death.
20:30Every square inch around the site of the body
20:32had to be photographed and recorded before it was moved.
20:37The examination of this scene was really pretty complex
20:40and it took pretty much a full month.
20:44There was no need to get the body out quickly
20:45to risk destroying evidence.
20:47We didn't know if it was a homicide,
20:49but we treated it as if it was a homicide from the outset
20:52to make sure that we gave it the gold standard forensic approach.
20:58Before the body was removed on the 1st of October,
21:01detectives called on the help
21:02of forensic soil scientist, Lorna Dawson.
21:06There was an area of dark mulch staining
21:10which she was quite interested in
21:12and when she analysed them,
21:14told us that the body had most probably been
21:18moved into the cupboard some time after death.
21:25This threw up more questions.
21:28Why had the body been moved there?
21:30And how long had it been there?
21:33The police were considering
21:35that the body had likely been there
21:37about 10 years.
21:39All the chemistry that we were analysing
21:42was really pointing to
21:44a much shorter time period than that,
21:47certainly less than a year.
21:50We were able to look at the samples
21:53that were found under the body.
21:56I could see these little mites
21:58crawling about in the sample.
22:00So a colleague of mine
22:01could then take those samples
22:03and from the biology of that mite
22:06work out even closer.
22:08how long that body had been there.
22:10And they could identify
22:12that that body had been there
22:13for a period of nine months maximum.
22:18So what that information did
22:20was allow Police Scotland
22:22to then look at people
22:25that had perhaps gone missing
22:26very recently.
22:30Their evidence was really, really crucial
22:32in allowing us to focus the timeline
22:36roughly autumn winter of 2019
22:38in an effort to identify
22:39who the person was.
22:42The post-mortem examination
22:44couldn't confirm a cause of death
22:46due to the decomposition.
22:49But it established
22:50the body recovered was male.
22:53Investigators then sent scans
22:55and images of the man
22:56to an expert who created a likeness.
23:01Police have released official reconstruction
23:03of a man whose remains
23:04were found in Fife two months ago.
23:07Today the detective leading the inquiry
23:09unveiled this image.
23:10It's been created by specialists
23:12at Liverpool John Moores University.
23:14I'm confident that it's close enough
23:16to the likeness of this man
23:18that if somebody knew him
23:19and they saw this image
23:21then they would be able
23:21to recognise him.
23:24Within hours of that going live
23:27in the news
23:28we had a phone call
23:29into the incident room
23:30who suggested that
23:32the male resembled
23:33Ian Coots.
23:39And when familial DNA tests
23:41were conducted
23:42detectives were able to confirm
23:44he was the victim.
23:47Ian Coots lived in a flat
23:49in King Lassie
23:51in just a short distance
23:52from where his body was found.
24:00That was a huge moment
24:01in the inquiry.
24:03We now knew
24:03who the victim was
24:05and we could start to
24:07really look into his life.
24:09The victimology
24:10as we call it
24:11is an old saying
24:13in the police
24:14that if you can find out
24:15how somebody lived
24:15you'll find out
24:17how they died.
24:21Ian Coots was 61 years old.
24:24He was an army veteran.
24:26He was quite vulnerable.
24:28He was liked in the village.
24:30Liked to drink
24:31and he liked to socialise
24:32with his friends.
24:32But he didn't cause
24:33anybody any harm
24:34and he was really
24:36a man of routine
24:37and you know
24:38that routine
24:39had come to an abrupt end
24:41and it was actually
24:42quite sad
24:43that nobody
24:44really flagged it up
24:45that Ian had disappeared.
24:49Detectives discovered
24:50Ian Coots' council flat
24:52had been treated
24:52as abandoned.
24:54New tenants
24:54had moved in
24:55and decorated
24:55so there was little hope
24:57of any forensic evidence.
24:58But his neighbours
25:00provided valuable insight
25:01into Ian's life.
25:03And they were able
25:04to give us
25:05an account of
25:06his movements
25:07right up until
25:08September of 2019.
25:09and there was an individual
25:12who was at Ian's house
25:15on a regular basis.
25:18A much younger male
25:20who was carrying out
25:21some sort of DIY
25:22and decorating work.
25:25And once Ian went missing
25:27this individual
25:29appeared to be
25:29still attending
25:31at the house
25:32on a regular basis.
25:35This individual
25:36definitely had a story
25:37to tell
25:37in relation to
25:38Ian's disappearance.
25:43You can find out
25:44exactly who
25:45that decorator was
25:46and what part
25:47he played
25:47in Ian Coots'
25:48disappearance
25:48later on
25:50in the programme.
25:51Now you might have seen
25:52in the news
25:53about the two journalists
25:54who uncovered
25:55a group of men
25:56covertly filming
25:57women on nights out
25:58and then posting
25:59that footage
26:00for profit.
26:01Now it's not a crime
26:02but I mean
26:03it's really creepy
26:04and very questionable
26:05isn't it love?
26:06To say the least.
26:07Well we're now
26:07with Shona Elliott
26:08who was part
26:09of that undercover
26:10investigation
26:11and Anna Rose
26:11who was actually
26:12filmed without
26:13her knowledge.
26:15Good morning to you both.
26:16Shona if I just
26:16start with you
26:17what spurred you
26:18on to be part
26:19of this investigation
26:20in the first place?
26:21So I started seeing
26:23nightlife walking tours
26:24posted online
26:25and these videos
26:26they claim to be
26:27documenting the nightlife
26:28in big party areas
26:29but what they're
26:30actually doing
26:31is filming women
26:32often in very
26:33vulnerable circumstances
26:34and what I noticed
26:36about this footage
26:37is that none of the
26:38women looked like
26:39they knew they were
26:40being filmed
26:40so it looked like
26:41it was being gathered
26:42covertly.
26:43So I started gathering
26:44every account I came
26:45across and quite quickly
26:46had 65 accounts
26:48that were posted
26:48in this footage
26:49and between them
26:50they had a viewership
26:52of more than 3 billion.
26:53Wow.
26:54Gosh that's loads isn't it
26:55and it's such a violation
26:57and we've got some
26:58of the footage
26:58haven't we
26:59to show that you
27:00collected
27:00because as you say
27:02loads of these videos
27:03and can you just
27:04tell us a bit about that
27:05why are there
27:05so many of these?
27:06So what our investigation
27:08found is it seems
27:09that it all comes
27:10back to money
27:10so most of the accounts
27:12that I identified
27:12monetise their content
27:14in some way
27:14either through ad revenue
27:16or different
27:16subscription models
27:17so one account
27:18we identified
27:19it offers the chance
27:20to pay £3 a month
27:22and then you get access
27:23to different and new content
27:24or you can do
27:25a one-off payment
27:26of £400
27:27and actually choose
27:28the location
27:29that they film in.
27:30Now I've taken
27:31all of this information
27:33to the University of Surrey
27:34and experts there
27:35told me
27:36that people could be
27:38making hundreds
27:39and thousands of pounds
27:40by posting this footage.
27:41It's just a whole business
27:41behind it isn't there?
27:42It's a whole business
27:43doing this.
27:44I'm just
27:44this is staggering
27:45hearing that people
27:47can make money
27:47from this sort of thing
27:48and Anna Rose
27:49you seem very uncomfortable
27:51when you were just
27:52hearing that
27:52hearing what Shona
27:53was saying there
27:54and there's very good reason
27:55because you were actually
27:57filmed without you knowing
27:59that was posted online.
28:00Tell us what happened.
28:01Yeah so my friend's partner
28:04actually spotted
28:04the first video
28:06and sent it to her
28:07and at first we were like
28:09okay what's going on
28:10here's like a fashion page
28:11or something
28:11and then we looked into it
28:13and we just see girls
28:14upon girls
28:15upon girls
28:16and then the next thought
28:18that came was like
28:18is it some sort of trafficking
28:19like what is going on
28:21like what is this?
28:22And it was you
28:23and your friends
28:24wasn't it
28:24that were all filmed here?
28:26I mean how did you all
28:27feel about it?
28:28It was weird
28:29because you can't see
28:30anyone filming you
28:31because we weren't drunk
28:33we were very sober
28:33so you're walking
28:35normally as you would
28:37and then next thing you know
28:37you see yourself online
28:38and you don't see
28:39anybody filming
28:40it's so creepy
28:41it's so
28:43it's so disturbing.
28:44And all the comments
28:45as well
28:46that's the other thing
28:46because people watching this
28:47so then giving their opinions
28:49giving their opinions
28:50and making the rudest
28:52most nastiest comments
28:53and a lot of these
28:54it's majority men as well
28:56are fathers and husbands
28:58so it's like
28:59if
28:59how would you feel
29:01if this was your daughter
29:02or your wife
29:03or your sister
29:04it's just so
29:06it's
29:06there's no words
29:07to put into how
29:09it makes you feel
29:09but it's
29:10I can only imagine
29:11I can only imagine
29:12and Shona
29:13this isn't
29:14isolated
29:15just hearing Anna Rose's story
29:16you tracked down
29:17a number
29:17of women
29:19that this had happened to
29:21didn't you?
29:21Yes
29:21so I've identified
29:22more than 50 women
29:23who have been filmed
29:24and most of these women
29:26were filmed in Manchester
29:27which seems to be
29:28a really popular place
29:29for people to come
29:30and film this type of content
29:32now one woman I spoke to
29:34she was just 18
29:35when she was filmed
29:36and the video of her
29:37has more than 3 million views
29:41she described
29:42the experience to me
29:43and she said
29:43that she doesn't like
29:44going out in the city anymore
29:45because she just doesn't feel safe
29:47and she's worried
29:47that she's going to be filmed again
29:49if there isn't enough
29:50going on to knock
29:51women's confidence
29:52that doesn't help does it?
29:54Yes
29:54that's actually exactly
29:54what she said to me
29:55that it had really
29:56knocked her confidence
29:57now another woman
29:58that I spoke to
29:59only found out
30:00that she had been filmed
30:02and posted online
30:02when her younger brother
30:03sent her the footage
30:05now the footage of her
30:06was quite explicit
30:07and she said it was
30:09humiliating to receive
30:10this from her brother
30:11Yeah
30:11can we talk about
30:13the men doing this
30:13how are they doing it
30:15because you managed
30:15to track some of them down
30:16didn't you
30:17and as you were saying
30:17Anna was it
30:18you don't see the cameras
30:20and things do you?
30:22So the men
30:23that are filming this content
30:25were really difficult
30:26to trace
30:27and this is because
30:27they post from
30:28anonymous accounts
30:29but we knew
30:31that a really popular
30:32filming date for them
30:33was Halloween weekend
30:34in Manchester
30:34so myself
30:36and my colleague
30:36Agby Smitten
30:37actually went undercover
30:38and that was just
30:39some of our footage there
30:40and you can see
30:42these two men
30:43that were filming
30:44two of the five men
30:45that we saw filming
30:46that night
30:46are pretending to text
30:48on their phones
30:49we think
30:49and then the small
30:50handheld cameras
30:51are held just below
30:52and
30:53So you can sort of
30:53see the phone
30:54yeah but that's not
30:55what's doing all the
30:56recording here then
30:57so it's what's in
30:58the other hand
30:59the small
31:00really small device
31:01and that's the camera
31:02and it's always
31:03it is the camera
31:03it's always held down
31:04quite low
31:05and when you walk
31:06past it
31:07it really looks
31:07quite similar to a vape
31:09something that you see
31:09on a night out
31:10all the time
31:11and I was out there
31:12looking for these cameras
31:14and even I was walking
31:15past and missing them
31:16so they're a really
31:16difficult spot
31:18yeah and I mean
31:19you went on to confront
31:20some of these men
31:20as well didn't you
31:21yes we did
31:23we contacted
31:24all the men
31:25that we saw filming
31:26and asked them questions
31:27about why they were
31:28doing this
31:28now only two of them
31:30got back to us
31:30and both have denied
31:32any wrongdoing
31:32yeah because it's
31:33important to point out
31:34again it's not illegal
31:35isn't it
31:35it's not
31:36it's sort of falls
31:37between the cracks
31:38in the law
31:39I mean there are
31:40talks about making
31:41it a specific offence
31:42but at the time
31:42it's not
31:43but Anna Rose
31:45if you were to
31:46have an opportunity
31:47to speak to one
31:48of the people
31:49that was filming
31:50yourself
31:50or one of your
31:51friends
31:51you know secretly
31:53or covertly in this
31:54way what would you
31:55say to them
31:55I would say to them
31:57that there's so many
31:59ways this could have
32:00gone
32:02they could have used
32:03their camera skills
32:05to film
32:06something so beautiful
32:07and make it so creative
32:08whether film fashion
32:09or just the different
32:10kind of communities
32:11but instead
32:12they chose to use it
32:13to knock confidence
32:15to incite
32:17just hatred
32:18towards innocent women
32:19who wanted to
32:20just go out
32:21have fun
32:22and
32:24just stop
32:25yeah
32:26I can see it's really
32:27wearing on you as well
32:29isn't it
32:29like you're so
32:30frustrated by this
32:31because
32:31I'm sure they have
32:32wives
32:33they have daughters
32:33they have sisters
32:34and if one of them
32:35were to be
32:36on one of these pages
32:38I'm pretty sure
32:39they wouldn't like it
32:39so why would you do it
32:40to other people's daughters
32:41well said
32:42thank you both
32:43thank you for coming in
32:45and sharing your
32:45experiences
32:46for us as well
32:47and let's hope
32:47this stops others
32:48from doing it
32:49let's hope so
32:51now
32:51back to our film
32:53with Police Scotland
32:53after identifying
32:55the remains
32:55of veteran
32:56Ian Coutts
32:57detectives
32:57are determined
32:58to find his killer
33:04police
33:04police had been told
33:05about a young man
33:06who'd been seen
33:07at Ian's house
33:08before he'd disappeared
33:09but also
33:10after
33:12the individual
33:13that the neighbours
33:14had seen
33:15was a local
33:16man
33:16and his name
33:18was David Barnes
33:18and then we started
33:23to build up
33:24a picture of
33:25David Barnes' life
33:31around about the time
33:32Ian went missing
33:33he'd actually received
33:34a significant
33:35back payment
33:36in relation to benefits
33:38and we could see
33:39that David Barnes
33:40had set up
33:41an online transaction
33:42service
33:42in Ian Coutts' name
33:44and this was set up
33:46after Ian Coutts
33:48had last been seen
33:48alive
33:51so that was a real
33:53pivotal moment
33:54in the investigation
33:57analysis of
33:58Ian Coutts' phone data
33:59also revealed
34:00further suspicious activity
34:03there was
34:04some activity
34:05on his phone
34:06after he was
34:06last seen alive
34:08that included
34:09a text to
34:10Ian's sister
34:11Audrey
34:11and in that text message
34:13he asked her
34:14for a lend
34:15of some money
34:17and with
34:18the telecoms data
34:19we were able to say
34:20that both
34:21David Barnes
34:21and Ian Coutts'
34:22handsets
34:23were in the same
34:24local area
34:25at the time
34:28Investigators
34:29also suspected
34:30Barnes pretended
34:31to be Ian Coutts
34:32in a call
34:33made to the
34:33Department of
34:34Work and Pensions
34:36which stated
34:37that Ian
34:38was living
34:38in a caravan
34:39in England
34:40and that he'd
34:41found work
34:42and no longer
34:42needed his benefits
34:46with evidence
34:47mounting against
34:48David Barnes
34:50on the 12th
34:51of January
34:522021
34:52he was arrested
34:54and warrants
34:55were issued
34:55for a search
34:56of his property
34:56and car
34:58and he was brought
34:59to the police station
35:00and interviewed
35:01unfortunately
35:02he elected
35:03to say no comment
35:04to everything
35:05and it was agreed
35:07at this stage
35:07he should be released
35:09pending further investigations
35:14having to release him
35:15knowing we were
35:16confident
35:17that this was our man
35:18it was a very
35:19frustrating day
35:23Investigators
35:23had to present
35:24a watertight case
35:25to ensure a conviction
35:26and began
35:27a painstaking
35:28sift of rubbish
35:29that had been
35:30bagged up as evidence
35:31from the unit
35:32where Ian Coutts'
35:33body was recovered
35:35and we were looking
35:36for anything
35:36at all
35:37we didn't know
35:38what we might find
35:39but just any evidence
35:41that might link
35:42somebody to that area
35:44the meticulous search
35:46paid off
35:46finally answering
35:48how Ian Coutts'
35:49body had ended up
35:50in the unit
35:51we found
35:52a piece of paper
35:54which had
35:54partial name
35:55a bank account number
35:56on it
35:57and we were able
35:58to link that piece
35:59of paper
36:00to Ian Coutts'
36:01upstairs neighbour
36:03when we contacted
36:04him about that
36:05he told us
36:06that he would have
36:06put that piece of paper
36:07into his black
36:08wheelie bin
36:08that went missing
36:15the upstairs neighbour
36:16saw David Barnes
36:17pulling that wheelie bin
36:18which appeared to be
36:19really very heavy
36:20pulling it into the back
36:21of a silver
36:23Volkswagen Golf
36:27thankfully
36:27the witnesses
36:28had taken a photograph
36:30of this Golf
36:31and you could see
36:32David Barnes inside
36:36this witness
36:37challenged David
36:38said
36:38why have you
36:39taken my bin
36:39and David said
36:41to him
36:41don't worry
36:42just use Ian's
36:45in all likelihood
36:46Ian probably
36:47was in the bin
36:48at that time
36:53detectives then
36:54turned to soil
36:55samples recovered
36:56from Barnes' car
36:57which was examined
36:58by Lorna Dawson
36:59and her team
37:00we identified
37:02by looking under
37:03the microscope
37:04these tiny little
37:05flakes of red paint
37:09so the chemist
37:10analysed it
37:11and found that
37:12the red paint
37:13that was found
37:14in the soil
37:15was similar to that
37:16of the red paint
37:17that was on the floor
37:19at that unit
37:25the person
37:26who'd stood
37:27and driven
37:27that vehicle
37:29had been the person
37:31that had taken
37:31Mr Coote's body
37:32to the unit
37:45on the 15th
37:47of December
37:472021
37:48almost a year
37:50after he was
37:50first arrested
37:51Barnes was
37:52arrested again
37:56he was found
37:57guilty at trial
37:58and in December
37:592023
38:00he was sentenced
38:03a man who murdered
38:04an army veteran
38:05and dumped his body
38:06in a disused building
38:07in Fife
38:08has been told
38:08he will spend
38:09at least 23 years
38:10in jail
38:11David Barnes
38:12killed Ian Cootes
38:13in 2019
38:14before taking his body
38:16to the industrial unit
38:17near Glenorthis
38:22to help the investigators
38:24narrow that time window
38:25down
38:26I think
38:27we can all feel
38:28very proud
38:29that that has helped
38:30bring justice
38:31for the family
38:32of Ian Cootes
38:33and that will
38:35remain with me
38:37it was really
38:38a proud moment
38:39certainly for me
38:40personally
38:40but for the wider team
38:42equally
38:43the family of Ian Cootes
38:45who were present
38:45in court each day
38:46means a lot to them
38:48and that his killer
38:49was going to spend
38:50a lot of time in prison
38:53wow what a result there
38:55now earlier
38:56we talked about
38:57the men
38:57secretly filming women
38:58on nights out
38:59and I'm not saying
39:00our next item
39:01is the answer
39:02to that problem
39:03but it is about
39:03kickboxing
39:04we've got some
39:05brilliant kickboxers
39:06here with us
39:07because our next guests
39:08have started an initiative
39:10well as you can see
39:11packs a punch
39:12James Inge
39:13is an instructor
39:14who's been working
39:15with Sergeant
39:15Chloe Spencer
39:16from the Leeds
39:17South Neighbourhood
39:18Police Team
39:19thank you for coming in
39:20I already feel exhausted
39:21just next to them
39:22but James
39:23this is an initiative
39:24you're doing
39:24with the police
39:25and it's not just
39:26about self defence
39:27is it
39:27give us a flavour
39:28of what it's about
39:29no it's all about
39:30creating a community
39:31for all women
39:32you know
39:33to help empower them
39:34give them more confidence
39:35but to create
39:36like a safe space
39:37as well
39:38and during our classes
39:40we have Chloe Spencer
39:41here who actually
39:42comes in
39:43and works within
39:44the classes with us
39:45and she
39:46she's there
39:47basically
39:47if they want to talk
39:48at any point
39:49so yeah
39:50really good idea
39:52so Chloe
39:53tell us about
39:53your side of this
39:55so you're from
39:55the Neighbourhood Police Team
39:56tell us about that
39:57and then how you got
39:57involved in it
39:58yes so James
39:59contacted myself
40:00about another initiative
40:01he's working on
40:02and we sat down together
40:03and we just came up
40:04with this really good idea
40:05you know it's not about
40:06utilising women
40:08with the skills
40:08to protect themselves
40:09it's about creating
40:10that safe space
40:11and boost confidence
40:12it also highlights
40:14the importance
40:15of the police
40:16working with
40:16community partners
40:17such as James
40:18you know to create
40:19those safe spaces
40:20for everyone
40:21yeah and it's an important
40:22point because I was
40:22chatting to the girls
40:23earlier about that
40:23confidence boost to this
40:25because this is more
40:26than just a class
40:26you might do
40:27in a leisure centre
40:28James
40:28yeah it is
40:29by far
40:30so what we're
40:31trying to create
40:32is something
40:33that's so diverse
40:34it's everywhere
40:36we're trying to
40:37create something
40:37where it engulfs
40:40Leeds
40:41and where I'm from
40:42and then people
40:43from like Scotland
40:44will pick up on it
40:45and people from Wales
40:47and like everywhere
40:48and it will become
40:49such a big thing
40:49eventually
40:50we really want to
40:51try and change
40:53things for
40:54like safety
40:55for women
40:56and things like that
40:57and just create
40:57something that's
40:58outstanding
40:58can you show us
40:59some moves then
41:00I mean I'm probably
41:01not dressed for this
41:01but we'll have a go
41:02anyway
41:02what's the kind of
41:03key one that I should
41:04know
41:05so the first thing
41:05that you should
41:06always remember
41:06is with any movement
41:07that you do
41:08you should do
41:08what's called a chamber
41:09so a lot of people
41:10when they kick
41:11they'll bring their legs
41:12out like this
41:12and they'll kick
41:13but there's no power
41:14to that
41:14so when you kick
41:15you want to come up
41:16and then you want a chamber
41:17and that gives you
41:18the power
41:18introduce your hips
41:20as well
41:20so you can get that
41:21full kick
41:22that's a good kick
41:22is it
41:23it's a very good kick
41:24it might be my Irish
41:25dancing that's done this
41:26but it's hard for me
41:28not to pull a gurney
41:28face though
41:29which is not attractive
41:30Chloe tell me about
41:32the impact that this
41:32has had as well
41:33because you know
41:34we mentioned the reaction
41:35but also really good
41:36for the community
41:36at best
41:37yeah absolutely
41:38and like we said
41:38when I go to the classes
41:40we all just have a laugh
41:41and have fun
41:42and that's what it's about
41:43it's about people
41:44enjoying themselves
41:45and I'm there
41:46so people can chat to me
41:47about anything
41:48and it just breaks down
41:49those barriers
41:50do you know
41:50I bet it helps
41:51in terms of your relationship
41:52for the police
41:53for the community too
41:54yeah absolutely
41:56and like I've already
41:56touched on
41:57it's really important
41:58for the police
41:59to work with those
42:00community partners
42:00yeah
42:01to integrate within
42:02the community
42:03can you do it then
42:04I'm practicing
42:05go on give us a move
42:06yeah go on
42:08well like you said
42:09use your chambers
42:10and legs up
42:10and then pooh
42:13it's all about the sound effects
42:14yeah I bet it is
42:15which you're very good at
42:16and what is it about kickboxing
42:18in particular
42:19that kind of builds up
42:20confidence and things
42:21James
42:22so it's
42:23it's about turning up
42:25when you actually turn up
42:26to these classes
42:27that's your first point
42:28of confidence
42:29it's actually coming there
42:30and then doing it
42:31once you're there
42:32you actually realise
42:33that the confidence
42:34is natural
42:35it's in everybody
42:37yeah
42:37you just don't realise
42:38it's there until you get in
42:39and you see that every day
42:40not just in my kids classes
42:42but also within
42:45the ladies
42:46like you just see
42:47so it's really made a difference
42:48so good to have you
42:49explaining it
42:50and thank you very much
42:51you can relax now
42:52we'd better get them a drink
42:53thank you
42:55feel a lot safer over here
42:56and that's all we have time for today
42:58remember you can watch
42:59all the series so far
42:59on iPlayer
43:00tomorrow
43:01more appeals
43:01another exclusive interview
43:03this time with a detective
43:04who caught 15 year old
43:06Eliane Andam's killer
43:07after she was stabbed
43:09at a bus stop
43:09over an argument
43:10about a teddy bear
43:12I have never dealt with cases
43:14with that level of emotion
43:16almost Croydon stopped
43:18for 24, 48 hours
43:20the community were absolutely
43:22devastated by what happened
43:24to Eliane
43:26wow such a powerful film
43:27we will see you tomorrow
43:28but for now
43:29goodbye
43:55we will see you tomorrow
43:55so
44:00I'll see you next time.
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