00:00Sanju Verma, to you first. Do you concede that today, the BJP or the Modi government, according to Manish Sisodia
00:08and others, has been thoroughly exposed for weaponizing central agencies to target their political opponents, that therefore, there is much
00:16that the centre and the CBI have to answer in the manner that they prosecute cases against their political opponents?
00:23You know, let's get one thing very clear. When Arvind Kejriwal is arrested, people say, oh, CBI and ED are
00:30handmaidens of the BJP. When Manish Sisodia is arrested, democracy is in danger. Today that Arvind Kejriwal and Manish Sisodia
00:38have not been acquitted, there's a discharge order in their favor. Still, I will say pity media, not Gaudi media.
00:45What do they say? Do you think the CBI, you know, showed lapses in judgment?
00:50Do you think that the Modi government could have done a better job in terms of nailing the corrupt? I
00:55will just say this picture abhi baqi hai. And let me say one thing. I was listening to a very
00:59interesting interview with Abhishek Manu Singhvi. In August 2022, the same Arvind Kejriwal dispensation revoked its liquor policy, which it
01:09had implemented only in October 2021, within a few months. Why did it do so?
01:15The CAG is a constitutional body under Article 148 of the Constitution and it says that the liquor policy under
01:22Kejriwal led to a scam of more than 2,000 crores. Why should I not believe a constitutional body like
01:27the CAG? And the other very important point is this.
01:34Can I finish, please?
01:35Miss Sanju Verma, have you read that there are stinging observations by the court today against the way the CBI
01:43functioned?
01:43Now, when the UPA was in... No, one minute. When the UPA was in power, the word used by the
01:48courts was caged parrot for the CBI.
01:50What do we understand about the CBI in the Modi regime?
01:54Is it being used simply to target political opponents along with the enforcement directorate?
01:59I mean, are we saying... You're saying he's only been discharged, not acquitted.
02:03The fact is, he's been discharged because the CBI couldn't show any evidence.
02:07There was a clear attempt. He was arrested just before the elections.
02:11Surely, there will be questions that your party will have to answer and the government will have to answer.
02:16You know, Rajneet, when you ask a question, at least show the patience to listen to my response.
02:21The moment I start speaking, you interject. And you do this repeatedly.
02:26When Kejriwaal is arrested, democracy is in danger.
02:29When Kejriwaal is discharged, democracy is in danger.
02:32When Manish Sissodia is arrested, CBI is BJP's handmaiden.
02:37When Manish Sissodia is out on bail, always in the danger.
02:40So basically, whether Kejriwaal, Manish Sissodia, so on and so forth,
02:45this arrest will be arrested or they will be arrested.
02:47Rajdeep Sardesai will always try and undermine the credibility of India's institutional framework.
02:53And I take strong objection to that.
02:56I repeat, the CBI has decided to...
02:59Okay. Okay. I've heard...
03:00The lower court.
03:01I've heard you, ma'am. I have two other guests.
03:03That's the final point.
03:04Rajdeep Sardesai...
03:06Rajdeep Sardesai...
03:07It discomforts you because Rajdeep Sardesai asked the inconvenient questions
03:11that other anchors don't.
03:13And I will continue to ask them.
03:14You will not bulldoze me on this program, ma'am.
03:17But no, no. Please let the other panelists answer.
03:20Abhishek Dutt.
03:21No, no. One minute.
03:22Abhishek Dutt.
03:23The Congress Party, very interestingly, is claiming this is a deal
03:27between the BJP and Kejriwaal.
03:29I mean, what is the evidence that you have?
03:31And Mr. Kejriwaal says if he has a deal with the BJP,
03:35tomorrow they can say the Gandhi family has a deal with Modi
03:38because they have cases against them, but nobody arrests them.
03:41I mean, the Congress Party...
03:43You heard Abhishek Manu Singh, your own congressman,
03:46who has appeared for Kejriwaal saying the case had no basis.
03:49And yet you are saying there's a deal.
03:52I heard Mr. Manu Singh also saying that's his own professional matter.
03:57So he didn't comment on the political side.
04:00Rajdeep, just two things.
04:01I was listening to Mr. Manish Sisodia's interview with you.
04:04No, what is the evidence of the deal?
04:06You have... No, no. Mr. Abhishek Dutt, you must answer.
04:08What is the evidence you have of a deal between BJP and Kejriwaal?
04:12I will give you a very simple deal.
04:13If you remember during the Haryana state election,
04:17Aam Adhi Party was part of the India Alliance.
04:19And at that time, we had decided to give five seats to Arvind Kejriwaal Ji
04:23to fight in Haryana.
04:24All of a sudden, on 5th, on 13th September 2024,
04:29Arvind Kejriwaal Ji gets the bail from the court.
04:31And it was a shock to everyone.
04:33The moment he came out,
04:35instead of being part of the India Alliance,
04:37he decided to go and fight elections in Haryana on their own.
04:41In Haryana, Arvind Kejriwaal's party got 1.79 vote percent.
04:46Bharatiya Janta party got 39.94.
04:48And Congress got 39% vote share.
04:51We lost 5.94.
04:54I want to ask the Aam Adhi Party,
04:55when they were part of the India Alliance,
04:57when we had decided together
04:58that we'll be fighting Haryana elections together,
05:01what was the pressure on Arvind Kejriwaal
05:03to go and fight alone in Haryana
05:05and to make BJP win?
05:06And it is not only in Haryana.
05:08You look at the results of Goa election.
05:10You look at the results of Uttarakhand elections.
05:12Wherever Arvind Kejriwaal is contesting an election,
05:15the biggest beneficiary of that is Bharatiya Janta party.
05:17And I'm not saying this.
05:19These are facts of the election commission.
05:20No, but he's entitled to fight.
05:21Mr. Dutt, Mr. Dutt,
05:23Arvind Kejriwaal claims that the Congress was not willing
05:25because you thought you were so certain of winning Haryana,
05:28you did not reach out to him in an effective manner.
05:31Either way, he's running a political party.
05:33He's not running some ashram
05:35that he will be there to benefit Congress party.
05:39If you can't fight an election properly,
05:42why blame Arvind Kejriwaal?
05:44For 30 years, you cannot defeat the BJP in Gujarat.
05:47I will tell you something very simple on facts.
05:51Arvind Kejriwaal came into politics in 2013.
05:54And this whole emotional story by Mr. Manish Sisodia
05:58is completely contradictory to the stand of Aam Adhi party.
06:02Aam Adhi party came in with a very clear stand of Suraj,
06:05right to recall in Lokpal.
06:07And that is how this party came into existence.
06:09And even the first list of corrupt leaders
06:12that Mr. Kejriwaal had issued in 2013,
06:15there was only one name of Bharati Janta party leader,
06:18wrestler, he called Akhilesh Adhav,
06:21a very big criminal,
06:22he called Kapil Sibul, Srinath,
06:24he named everyone.
06:25Was he not targeting the Bharati Janta party leaders at that time?
06:28He never took the name of people from Bharati Janta party?
06:31The whole concept is very clear.
06:33You stand and BJP wins.
06:35And you come out at the mercy of Bharati Janta party.
06:38And Mr. Arvind Kejriwaal is not the only one having criminal cases against him.
06:41No, are you saying he's not?
06:42No, no, I will ask you one last time.
06:43I will complete.
06:44I will complete.
06:45Are you saying that Arvind Kejriwaal is not entitled to contest elections?
06:48No, no, Mr. Dutt.
06:49Are you saying Arvind Kejriwaal is not entitled to contest elections?
06:53If you, I mean, it seems doesn't the Congress believe
06:55they are the only opposition party in the country?
06:58No, Mr. Arvind Kejriwaal is definitely entitled to fight elections,
07:02but not by giving wrong affidavit to the people in this country.
07:05Mr. Kejriwaal can't do convenience politics.
07:08Rahul Gandhi has got more cases against,
07:10like, in terms of comparison,
07:13Mr. Gandhi has much more criminal cases against him.
07:15He's not standing and crying in front of Bharati Janta party.
07:17He doesn't give fake affidavit to the people of this country
07:20that you please make me an MLA.
07:21I will not take a car.
07:22You make me a Chief Minister, I will not take a bungalow.
07:24Tell me the stand on Shishmahal.
07:26Arvind Kejriwaal gave a statement.
07:28He gave a written affidavit to the people of Delhi
07:30that he will not take a bungalow.
07:32He will not take a security.
07:33He will not take red light security cars.
07:35He compromised on everything.
07:37Did people of Delhi ask him to take this?
07:39And they talk about education today.
07:41Education was never...
07:42And last line, Rajiv, last line.
07:44I want to ask Sanju Verma Ji from Bharati Janta party.
07:47In case she feels liquor scam was created by Arvind Kejriwaal,
07:52why did the then LG from Bharati Janta party clear the file?
07:57The file was cleared by the Delhi LG.
07:58That is what came into a law.
08:00Does she have an answer on that?
08:02Can I, Rajiv?
08:03Okay, I will go...
08:05No, no, one minute, Sanju Verma.
08:06First, Priyanka Kakkar is listening.
08:08Priyanka Kakkar.
08:09You see, there are credibility questions
08:11that will still swirl around Arvind Kejriwaal.
08:14One example was given just now.
08:15A couple of examples given by Abhishek Dat.
08:18I will not take an official car.
08:19I will not have an official bungalow.
08:21Those still remain on the table.
08:23Yes, you've been discharged.
08:25Yes, it's a big day for the armed army party.
08:27But according to Abhishek Dat,
08:29Arvind Kejriwaal no longer retains the credibility that he once had.
08:34Do you believe that you still have a long fight ahead
08:36to retain your credibility?
08:38One discharge is not going to change
08:40some of the perceptions that have been built.
08:46I think, Rajdeep Ji,
08:48firstly, I think that
08:51these are the arguments
08:52which has led to the complete collapse of Congress
08:55and the current situation that Congress
08:57finds itself currently in.
08:58There was no Arvind Kejriwaal
09:00stopping them in Bihar
09:01that they scored only one seat higher than the MIM.
09:04But today, I really want to speak about the BJP
09:07and how they misused the agencies,
09:09how they can't be let go.
09:11They can't score scot-free.
09:13You ruined somebody's reputation over and over.
09:16You, I mean, imagine their pettiness
09:18that they even refused insulin
09:20to Arvind Kejriwaal
09:21while he was in jail
09:22on these fabricated allegations
09:25which could not stand in the court at all.
09:28And let me also tell you
09:29one more very interesting thing
09:31why BJP should be prosecuted.
09:33In the example that Dr. Singhvi gave you
09:35about you and him being implicated in a false case,
09:38you know, if you turned approver in that example,
09:40you also pay 60 crores.
09:43You also pay 60 crores to the BJP
09:46and then turn approver
09:48and then you...
09:49I'm getting a lot of voice interruption in between.
09:52You pay 60 crores to the BJP
09:55and then you get a bail
09:56and then you come out
09:57and you turn approver.
09:59So I'm...
10:00I don't know what part was not audible.
10:03I'll repeat what I said.
10:04I said in the example...
10:06Okay, no, no.
10:06I've heard you.
10:07I've heard you.
10:08I've heard you, Priyanka.
10:08Priyanka, I've heard you.
10:10Okay.
10:12I've heard you.
10:13Let me take that to Sanju Verma.
10:15Sanju Verma...
10:16You see, this entire case was based...
10:18The entire case, Sanju Verma,
10:20was based on the so-called approvers.
10:22And many believe that these were the same so-called approvers
10:25who then also gave election bond money to the BJP.
10:28It was all very convenient.
10:30Whether Arvind Khejriwal and his party took money
10:33for the Goa elections of 2022,
10:37investigations have to reveal that.
10:38So far, the court seems to suggest
10:40they have no prima facie evidence.
10:42But the truth is,
10:44the approver,
10:44the so-called approver
10:45on which Arvind Khejriwal was being prosecuted
10:48was giving electoral bonds
10:50to your party soon after.
10:52There's something dark in the leaves
10:53or the whole leaves is dark in your leaves?
10:55BJP, today only,
10:57washing machine of the BJP,
10:58Sunetra Pawar and the late Ajit Pawar
11:01have been suddenly exonerated
11:03in the MSAB case.
11:04Why?
11:04Because they switch sides.
11:06You are being called the party of washing machine.
11:08Join the BJP.
11:10Rajdi...
11:11You use approvers
11:12and get electoral bonds from them.
11:15Rajdi,
11:16please behave like a journalist
11:18and stop making reckless allegations
11:20at the BJP.
11:21Instead of asking questions,
11:23you have this shameless audacity
11:24to make allegations at the BJP.
11:26Please tell me what is my fact wrong?
11:29Which fact of mine is wrong?
11:30Today I will not let you go so easily.
11:32Please tell me which fact of mine is speculative.
11:35I'm giving you hard facts.
11:36The approver in this case
11:37also got electoral bonds to the BJP.
11:40Please tell me that's false.
11:42Sunetra Pawar, Ajit Pawar,
11:4425,000 MSAB stamp.
11:46Case closed.
11:47Do you want accusations to listen?
11:49So keep quiet.
11:51I will not allow you to bulldog me
11:52to never make personal accusations
11:54against me anymore.
11:55Do not make personal accusations
11:57against me.
11:58Let me speak.
11:59I said keep quiet.
12:01First and foremost.
12:02Please go ahead.
12:03Please go ahead.
12:03Yes, please don't interject.
12:05I will speak if you
12:06allow me two minutes
12:08without interjecting.
12:09Please do.
12:10Please do now.
12:11Please do.
12:12Please.
12:14You are a seasoned journalist.
12:15You are not a TV panelist.
12:17Now let me say one thing.
12:19Abhishek Manu Singhvi,
12:20if you are listening,
12:21what did he say on your show?
12:23His last case.
12:24There is no predicate offense.
12:26So the ED case
12:27automatically
12:29gets dismissed.
12:30Who says there is no
12:31predicate offense?
12:33Yes.
12:34The predicate offense
12:35is very much there.
12:36So the ED charge sheet
12:37does not automatically collapse.
12:39Point number one.
12:40Point number two.
12:42The current CJI,
12:44Mr. Surya Kant,
12:45was that time
12:46a judge in the Supreme Court
12:47and in August 2024,
12:49he rebutted
12:51Abhishek Manu Singhvi
12:52and said,
12:53no, sir.
12:54Section 41A
12:56of the Criminal Procedure Act
12:58of 1973
12:59was not violated
13:01when Arvin K. J. Wahl
13:02was arrested.
13:03So please do your homework, Arvin.
13:05K. J. Wahl ke Samarthan meh
13:06jab Abhishek Manu Singhvi
13:07Supreme Court gai thai,
13:09Singhvi was given
13:10a rap on the knuckles.
13:11Point number three
13:13and very importantly,
13:15breach of trust,
13:17criminal conspiracy,
13:19kingpin of the conspiracy,
13:21lynchpin of the conspiracy,
13:23used his overarching authority
13:25to violate the rule,
13:27instrumental in the conspiracy.
13:29These were adjectives
13:31and phrases used.
13:32All thrown into a dustbin today.
13:34One minute.
13:35One minute.
13:35Madam, all thrown into
13:36the dustbin today.
13:37All these phrases
13:38have been thrown
13:39into the dustbin today.
13:40No, no, no, no.
13:41You cannot put false words.
13:44All these words
13:45have been rejected.
13:45These are the precise words
13:47you used
13:47and your Godi media
13:49amplified them.
13:50You used the media
13:51to amplify these words.
13:52That's the reality.
13:54You are not a...
13:55Rajiv, okay,
13:56tell me one thing.
13:57Forget you and me.
13:59Hypothetical situation.
14:00Many times you've asked me questions.
14:02Today, let me
14:02take the leaf out of your book.
14:07We will challenge
14:08the lower court
14:09in the Delhi High Court.
14:11And if the Delhi High Court
14:13overturns the verdict
14:14of Jitendra Singh
14:16of the lower court
14:17and said
14:18Kejriwal is culpable,
14:20will Rajiv Sarvesai
14:21then say that
14:22the CBI is doing
14:23a great job
14:24and BJP is doing
14:25a great job?
14:26Rajiv Sarvesai,
14:27you belong to that.
14:27Absolutely.
14:28You will always
14:30find faults
14:31with the BJP
14:31because you allow
14:32your ideological
14:33work for BJP
14:35to not seek
14:36you clearly.
14:37You have every right
14:38to go on facts,
14:39not on personal...
14:40Fader down.
14:41Truth of the matter is,
14:43I've listened to all sides today.
14:45And truth of the matter is,
14:46while Sanju Verma
14:47is ranting against me,
14:49Abhishek Dat
14:50is ranting against
14:51Arvind K. Jival
14:52and Priyanka Kakkar
14:53is claiming victory.
14:54We, at the moment,
14:56on the news,
14:56have to go with
14:57what happened today.
14:58Whether there's a deal
15:00or no deal,
15:00all this will be
15:01decided in the future.
15:03Truth of the matter is,
15:04this is a stinging order.
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