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Sen. Patty Murray forcefully challenged President Trump’s Surgeon General nominee, Dr. Casey Means, during a Senate hearing after past remarks in which Means described birth control pills as a “disrespect of life” and claimed Americans “use birth control pills like candy.” Murray pressed Means on whether her controversial views contradict established science showing contraceptives are safe and effective. The nominee responded that all medications have risks and emphasized the importance of informed consent.

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00:00You called birth control pills, and I'm going to quote, a disrespect of life.
00:05I'm curious if you're aware of what the side effects of hormonal contraception are.
00:09If you are with the FDA that went through all of these and rigorously looked at them,
00:16or as surgeon general, if you're going to tell the truth to the American people.
00:20I absolutely believe these medications should be accessible to all women.
00:23Some of the horrifying side effects of birth control that I have mentioned include blood clots and stroke risk in
00:31women.
00:31Do you stand by what you said in your book, encouraging people to try psychedelics?
00:40I think the science is still emerging, and so it would certainly not be a recommendation to the American people
00:46to do that under no circumstances.
00:49As surgeon general, should you be confirmed, how would you speak to the American people about the use of illicit
00:57drugs?
00:58I recommend that to the American people in this role.
01:01Our illicit drug use problem in our country is monumental and severe,
01:06and I look forward to working with you on these issues that are so important.
01:11You called birth control pills, and I'm going to quote, a disrespect of life,
01:17and you said Americans, quote, use birth control pills like candy.
01:21You also claimed, contrary to established science, that hormonal birth control has, quote, horrifying health risks for women.
01:29Now, here are the facts.
01:31There are 18 FDA-approved contraceptive methods, both hormonal and non-hormonal,
01:38and there are decades, decades of evidence showing that every one of these birth control methods is safe and effective.
01:45So I wanted to ask you, help me understand, should women trust the FDA,
01:49which approved all 18 methods of birth control after a very rigorous look at the evidence,
01:55or should they trust your statement that there are horrifying health risks to birth control,
02:01which contradicts that evidence?
02:03Thank you, Senator Murray, for your question.
02:08I'm curious if you're aware of what the side effects of hormonal contraception are.
02:13I'm curious if you are with the FDA that went through all of these and rigorously looked at them,
02:20or as Surgeon General, if you're going to tell the truth to the American people.
02:24I absolutely believe these medications should be accessible to all women,
02:28and also, all medications have risks and benefits,
02:32and in our current medical climate, with the burden on doctors,
02:35we do not have, doctors do not have enough time for thorough, informed consent conversations.
02:39Some of the horrifying side effects of birth control that I have mentioned include blood clots and stroke risk in
02:46women
02:47who have clotting disorders, who are smokers, who have obesity.
02:50No, it's not general.
02:53I'm very careful with my words, and when I say those comments, which are taken out of context,
02:57I'm speaking about particular women that can be heard if there is not informed consent about their medical history,
03:04their lifestyle exposures, and their family history.
03:05I want those women, and I know you do too, to be able to have a thorough conversation with their
03:10doctor
03:10and know whether they are at higher risk for side effects when prescribed the medication.
03:14Saying that is one thing, but saying on, you know, different shows that birth control pills are a disrespective life
03:23is very different.
03:24I am passionate about women's health, and I think it is disrespectful to women.
03:29Saying that people use birth controls like candy is very different than what you just said.
03:35We prescribe a huge amount of hormonal contraceptive, and I do not believe most of those conversations have informed consent
03:42because of the pressures that doctors are under because of our broken health care system.
03:46I want what's best for women, as do you, and I want every woman who could be at risk for
03:51a side effect to know if a woman died from a stroke or a blood clot
03:57because they did not have a thorough conversation.
03:59Thank you for your answer. You made that clear.
04:00I am concerned that in your book, On Good Energy, that you urge readers to consider psilocybin-assisted therapy.
04:15You also said that you were inspired to try psychedelics in what I can only describe as an internal voice
04:27as an internal voice that whispered, it's time to prepare.
04:32Illicit drug use remains a huge problem in this country, and this didn't happen in your teen years.
04:42According to your book, in 2021, you began using illicit psychedelic mushrooms.
04:52So my questions to you are twofold.
04:58One, do you stand by what you said in your book, encouraging people to try psychedelics?
05:08And second, as Surgeon General, should you be confirmed, how would you speak to the American people about the use
05:18of illicit drugs?
05:21Thank you so much, Senator Collins, and I also thank you sincerely for engaging so deeply with my work and
05:27learning about me.
05:30This is a very important question, and I would start by just saying that I believe what I would say
05:37as a private citizen
05:38is in many cases different than what I would say as a public health official, joining a team where the
05:45purpose of this role is to communicate absolutely the best evidence-based science
05:49to the American people to keep them safe, thriving, and healthy.
05:54And when it comes to psychedelic therapy for mental health issues, I think the science is still emerging,
06:01and so it would certainly not be a recommendation to the American people to do that under no circumstances.
06:08I do believe that there is exciting work being done in this area that needs to continue on psychedelic therapies
06:18for PTSD and veterans,
06:20for mental health issues, and some of the researchers who are doing this work have said it's some of the
06:26most promising
06:27and exciting of their entire careers. So I look forward to following that, but to be very clear,
06:31under no circumstances would I recommend that to the American people in this role.
06:35Our illicit drug use problem in our country is monumental and severe, and I look forward to working with you
06:43on these issues that are so important.
06:46What did you mean by saying that you heard an internal voice whispering to you saying,
06:53it's time to prepare?
06:56Yeah, in that passage of the book, I'm referring to my mother's passing, which happened,
07:02she got a diagnosis of pancreatic cancer about a week after that experience.
07:09And in my meditations and prayers at that time, I was having a deep sense that something ominous was coming.
07:18And so that's what that's referring to.
07:21I think when I speak of spirituality, and I do believe Americans are ready to hear about spirituality as it
07:33pertains to medicine.
07:3480% of Americans are spiritual or religious.
07:37There's amazing evidence coming out of Columbia University, the lab of Dr. Lisa Miller,
07:41that spirituality has a large impact on health outcomes.
07:45And, you know, so certainly that's a personal anecdote.
07:49But, you know, I, again, I'm committed to sharing only the best solid science with Americans on how to be
07:59healthy.
08:02I understand totally what you're saying about spirituality, and I'm sorry about the loss of your mother.
08:10It's the link to illicit drugs that I'm having a hard time with.
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