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00:09Chris Reagan deserves to be brought home to his children. They deserve to bury him.
00:15We find Chris Reagan's glasses, his shoe can. I see my dog go up to what looks like a rock,
00:23and I was like, holy crap. Finding Chris Reagan's skull, everything changed.
00:31I returned to Iron County Jail and see if she would tell me the truth when it came to other
00:35victims.
00:36Gary, I've probably heard that name before. She's putting a name with a location,
00:42the actual method of murder. It was like doing a jigsaw puzzle without looking at the picture on
00:48the front of the box. She knew that for us to be able to find the truth in that big
00:57mess was going
00:57to be pretty difficult. We had to make sure that we had everything we needed to get a murder conviction.
01:13She admitted that she was supposed to kill Chris Reagan rather than Jason.
01:19He put a gun in my head. He was going to shoot me. He was going to shoot himself.
01:23All right. Number one, guilty of first degree. We had a stated murder.
01:30Guilty on all counts in the death of 53-year-old Christopher Regan of Iron River.
01:36Kelly's willing to plead straight up to Jason Cochran's murder, with the exception that she can
01:42never be charged with another homicide in Indiana. You've sat here and you've told me that there
01:46are multiple bodies in Indiana. Who killed them? There's a guy that was shot and killed in Minnesota
01:53named Jason Reuter. I have no doubt in my mind that Kelly had other victims. And we're going to find
02:02them.
02:31There's just so many interviews of you taking credit for a lot of things. What's been said is,
02:38there's truth in the lies. Is there some truth in that? There is, except for, I won't take credit
02:45for something I didn't do. Jason kept a diary and a journal of stuff that he did. So he had
02:52a lot of
02:53detailed stories of what he had done. I never got a chance to read it all. It wasn't in my
03:00possession
03:00long enough because the police ended up coming. But do you believe that he actually did perpetrate
03:06some of these things that he wrote down? I believe at least half of them.
03:20When Kelly was convicted of murder, it gave Chris Regan's kids the closure they really needed.
03:28But there are other victims' families out there that need closure too.
03:32Eight years later, at this point, if we don't do it, nobody will.
03:38Jeremy retired from the Hobart police. And once my law enforcement career ended,
03:43Jeremy and I both talked about opening our own private investigative agency.
03:51We're going to take a look at the 5-23-2016
03:54interview with Kelly and I at the Iron County Jail.
03:58See if she gives any useful information about other victims' identities.
04:02When we were doing the murder investigations of Chris Regan and Jason Cochran, we didn't have the time
04:09or the means to do all the investigation into these other victims. So that's why we have to do it
04:15now.
04:16The hard part is that Kelly lies and she uses misdirection so much, it's hard to figure out what's
04:23what. If she was truthful about the location of Chris Regan's skull, what other truths did she
04:28give us that we overlook?
04:30This is the first interview that I actually do with Kelly after she's in custody and gets
04:37transported back from Kentucky. I'm basically putting the ball back in her court to decide
04:42whether or not she wants to provide more information that could lead to other victims.
04:48I don't want you to sit in this room with me and embellish. I want you to be truthful with
04:53me,
04:53okay? Can we do that?
04:55Sure can.
04:55Can you and I have a good conversation?
04:58No more cheating.
05:01You too. We're like on equal playing field.
05:06No we're not. I'm wearing pink fucking handcuffs.
05:10I drove all this way because you told me that you wanted to tell me the truth. You wanted to
05:15tell me the story, okay? There's a bag and a composition book. You can have that.
05:23Where's it at? It'd be my attic. You probably have it now. The composition book. I didn't know
05:31they packed all my shit up and put it in the attic.
05:33Attic.
05:34Right.
05:35Yeah. What's in it?
05:39Everything.
05:42So she's saying that these identities of other victims were in a composition book that was seized
05:48during the execution of a search warrant at her parents' house? That should be our focus?
05:53Right. Yeah. Also, she makes reference to the trophy bag.
05:58Sure.
05:58Take a listen to this phone call that I had back in 2016.
06:02This is a prepaid collect call from Kelly.
06:06An inmate at Iron County Michigan Jail.
06:10Hello? Yeah, I was returning your call.
06:13So, about this trinket bag you...
06:15Jason got rid of the body.
06:17I had hid the trophies that he had kept. I put them in a vacuum sealed bag. I put the
06:23trophies
06:24there and you didn't know about it.
06:26And what was in the bag? Like things from an unrelated...
06:29I saw Chris, yeah.
06:31And you put those things in that same area as Chris's body?
06:36Uh, pretty close.
06:39This trophy bag for Kelly is a collection of souvenirs from each victim. It could be
06:43things like driver's licenses, personal items. I believe there's validity to that. And I think
06:50it's probably in the area near the remains where the skull was located. And I think we need to go
06:54back
06:55up there and check for that. If we can find this trophy bag, it could link her to several other
07:02homicides. While you're up in the UP, I'm going to talk with Hobert PD, go through the evidence there,
07:07and see if I can have any luck finding that notebook. Yeah.
07:22I'm heading to the UP. It's where I was born and raised, and I haven't been back there since
07:30everything happened. It brings back memories.
07:43You always think that you want to get out of the small town, move away. But ultimately,
07:48when you get older, you want to come back to what you know and what feels comfortable.
07:55Did you see the deer?
08:03Hello. I just spoke.
08:18Chris's apartment are the right two windows.
08:23This doesn't look like Chris's apartment at all.
08:26It's all disheveled.
08:33That's the apartment he was staying in.
08:45So we're pulling up in front of where Kelly and Jason Cochran's home was.
08:51It's been demolished.
08:54Hi, Kelly.
08:55Hi.
09:15It's just crazy to think what all took place in this little neighborhood that's so quiet.
09:23They had no idea what was going on in that house.
09:25I mean, you just never know who's living next door to you, right?
09:37This is Pentoga Trail.
09:42I haven't been here since we found Chris Regan's skull.
09:46I fell in love the first time I came up here. God's country. I believe that.
09:54And this is also the location that I'm going to start searching for Kelly Cochran's trophy bag.
10:00It won't be easy, but if we can find it, it's going to be justice, hopefully, to a lot of
10:05other victims.
10:18As soon as Kelly was convicted
10:21of Chris Regan's murder up in Iron River, I was back down in Hobart, assigned to the patrol division.
10:28I wish I could have spent months going through all of the evidence from Kelly's case.
10:33I just wasn't in a position to do that.
10:37But now, I am.
10:44So, what is it?
10:46What is the book?
10:47The composition book.
10:49What's in it?
10:51Everything.
10:52Like?
10:53Every fine detail.
10:56I believe that finding these notebooks is the key to exposing other murders that she committed.
11:05What's going on, Bear?
11:06Hey, Paul.
11:07Long time no see, bro.
11:09Yeah.
11:09As we talked before, if you can open up anything, please just let me know.
11:13Sure.
11:13All right.
11:14Thanks, bro.
11:14It's good to see you.
11:18I retired from the Hobart Police Department in July of 2018,
11:22two months after we closed the Kelly Cochran case.
11:24This was in her truck in Kentucky.
11:27It's hard to believe that all this evidence has been sitting here for six years.
11:31Vehicle registration, Marlboro cigarettes.
11:35Pretty much untouched.
11:36Ultimately, she took her glasses apart in Kentucky and made shanks from the earpieces.
11:42But that's the reality of police work.
11:43You prepare, gather evidence, hand it off to the prosecutor, and then you're off to the next case.
11:51But some cases stick with you.
11:53And you say you'll go deeper into those cases as soon as you have the time.
11:57Well, now is that time.
11:59Police Department recovered this out of the dumpster for me in Kentucky.
12:05Kelly wrote this.
12:06It's a list of how they killed and dismembered Chris Reagan.
12:14Gun location, bullets, location of the body, glasses, watch, necklace, garbage bags,
12:23cleaning supplies, tools for cutting up Chris.
12:30There are different kinds of murders.
12:36This is evil.
12:40Wow.
12:41This was in there like personal stash of weapons.
12:45There's pitting and it's rusted.
12:47I think there's some use that's gone on.
12:50Any of that that has rust that shows use.
12:53We knew that Chris Reagan was killed with a rifle.
12:56But looking at these medieval weapons, it's possible they used them on other victims.
13:02Phone data.
13:04The bag with miscellaneous documents and books.
13:08Postcards.
13:09There's a lot of evidence that I expected to be here that's not here.
13:13Writings of theirs.
13:18Wait a minute.
13:21It says here that these items were given back to Kelly's father.
13:25The notebooks that were seized from Kelly's parents' house and placed into evidence, they're not here.
13:30The police just returned the items back to the family.
13:35It could have contained all kinds of information that could have helped solve other cases.
13:40I can't even tell you how frustrating this is.
13:49This is a prepaid collect call from Kelly.
13:52An inmate at Iron County, Michigan Jail.
13:59So, about this trinket bag, you're saying that you put those things somewhere in that same area as Jason put
14:07Chris's body?
14:09Right back where Chris was.
14:12There's a 12 by 18 inch metal plate under the ground, under the grass.
14:16And I put it in the bag inside of a Ziploc bag, a vacuum tube bag.
14:22Slid the plate in and put the grass back down.
14:25Why that spot?
14:27That was a spot that I knew I would be able to find.
14:31And I knew I'd meet him one day.
14:38Today I'm meeting Mike Niger at the location where Chris Regan's remains were located.
14:47Within probably the first two weeks of the Chris Regan investigation, Mike Niger came to me.
14:58Michael!
14:59Hey, Chief.
15:00How's it going?
15:01Michael was invaluable when we were searching for Chris Regan's remains.
15:05Now I need his expertise again.
15:07Just lay these sticks around the area you want searched, and then I'll pound them in the ground.
15:14If there is a trophy bag out there to be found, Michael Niger is going to find it.
15:21Okay, so this is one side of the lane.
15:24Kelly said she took this trophy bag and buried it in the ground.
15:28She claims she covered that hole with a metal plate.
15:31That's good because that's a pretty large footprint for the metal detector.
15:36Since we have had prior habitation in the area, we have a lot of man-made items.
15:44Which set off the metal detector.
15:46The pipe.
15:47There was a bolt there.
15:48A shotgun shell.
15:50Fuck.
15:51All right.
15:55This is fucking crazy.
15:59I feel like I'm just losing my mind sometimes.
16:03Is there really a trophy bag?
16:06Or was this just another one of Kelly's games?
16:09There's still more down there.
16:10We don't have any choice but to follow her leads.
16:14So, we have to keep going.
16:29Good morning.
16:45Good morning.
16:46You had a late night last night, huh?
16:49Tired.
16:50How'd things go up there?
16:53Well, frustrating.
16:54We covered a lot of ground, but we didn't find the bag.
16:58I'm still determined.
17:00Well, I don't think we should ever stop looking for it.
17:02It's somewhere.
17:03Yeah.
17:04We went to Hobart PD, and we went through evidence there,
17:08and unfortunately, Kelly's personal journals
17:12had been returned to her mom and dad,
17:16and I think it's kind of unlikely that mom and dad
17:19will talk to us or help us in any way.
17:23I think the only way that that's possible
17:25is if Kelly were to decide she wanted that.
17:28Would tell them to do it.
17:29You know, as we develop more leads,
17:31we're definitely going to have to link her to someone that's missing.
17:36Then is when we reach back to her and say,
17:39hey, listen, you know, we have this information.
17:42We can link you to this person.
17:44I think that's when she'll decide she wants to start engaging again.
17:49I agree.
17:52If we could find that trophy bag that Kelly claims is buried in the woods,
17:56we would know the identity of all her victims.
17:59Until we find it, if we find it, we have to do this the hard way.
18:04So you can sit here and you can try to manipulate this
18:07because that's what you do.
18:11Or you can sit here and you can decide
18:13to tell me the real story about everything.
18:17We need to review her interrogations
18:18and try to identify the real victims
18:20among all the names of men she claimed she killed.
18:30This is the first time that she actually starts giving me names
18:34and locations and there's truth and there's lie
18:38and there's a puzzle that we have to try to figure out.
18:42Right.
19:08Well, while she's talking during this time,
19:10her mouth is actually frowning
19:12rather than smiling.
19:13Smiling.
19:14Yeah.
19:15Which could mean she's actually telling the truth.
19:18Adam Russell.
19:22R-U-S-S-L-E.
19:26You'd be about 38.
19:29Where was Adam Russell killed?
19:32Doesn't matter.
19:33Okay, you're not going to do it with me.
19:34You're not going to answer my question.
19:37But at some point,
19:38you can tell me when you want to start to talk.
19:41You do your job and you do it well.
19:44Obviously not.
19:45You're telling me I don't.
19:46I'm telling you you do.
19:48No.
19:49You won't tell the truth.
19:50You're going to sit here and you want to play a game with me
19:52after I drove another six hours
19:54just to have a conversation with you.
19:56And you want to play a game.
19:58So,
19:59why on earth sit here and play the game with me?
20:02Good question, right?
20:03Very good question.
20:04Okay, so give me the answer.
20:12Maybe you think I'm better than I am.
20:16Whatever.
20:17Okay.
20:19Let's stop right there for a minute.
20:20I think she's trying to manipulate you
20:23with body language,
20:25facial expressions.
20:26I think she's trying to connect with you
20:28so that you view her differently.
20:31The way she's acting is like
20:33she knows you so well.
20:35And she's trying to build your ego up
20:37because it does work with men
20:39and she knows that.
20:40Back when we were doing the investigation
20:42almost 10 years ago,
20:44I became a little bit annoyed
20:46with how Kelly would interact with Jeremy.
20:48I think she was trying to use
20:50a seductive technique
20:52to try and manipulate him.
20:54But I also could see him
20:56being able to do what he needed to do
20:59that was necessary at the time
21:00to keep her talking.
21:02Watching the interviews now,
21:04he brings out this different part of her
21:07that's eerily seductive in a way.
21:10Don't squirt with me.
21:12Don't laugh.
21:13It makes me kind of sick to my stomach.
21:16These are the worst things in the world
21:17to watch with my wife.
21:19The guy that I have to be in the room with Kelly
21:23is not who I am.
21:24It's a manipulative character
21:25that I have to play.
21:27And it's definitely not the guy
21:29that you want to meet your wife.
21:31The normal techniques
21:32that you would use with people
21:33in order to elicit a response,
21:36they don't work with her
21:38like they do with everybody else.
21:39Right.
21:40This is hard.
21:42Give me 8 and 9's names.
21:45Please.
21:46Stop that.
21:478 and 9.
21:48Come on.
21:48Just the names.
21:49What's with the please?
21:50Come on.
21:50I'm serious.
21:52Will you tase me?
21:53No.
21:55No.
21:55Why not?
21:568 and 9.
21:56Can't do it.
21:58I mean, I get it.
21:59I get what Jeremy had to do
22:01to get what he needed from her.
22:03But watching this interaction
22:05and watching any woman
22:06really thinking that
22:07my husband's, you know,
22:08eating out of their hand
22:10is really hard to watch.
22:12This was effective,
22:14your relationship,
22:15your communication with her.
22:21Another Jason.
22:24Jason who?
22:26Just put Jason for now.
22:27No, Jason who?
22:30Olsen.
22:34Owen.
22:35Where's he from?
22:37From Minnesota.
22:39But it didn't happen in Minnesota.
22:41This happened outside of Madison.
22:43This was on a road trip
22:45that I went to with
22:46Madison, Wisconsin?
22:48Yes.
22:48This happened with Bowden.
22:50With?
22:51This happened with him?
22:52No.
22:53When I was done with him.
22:55And I didn't kill him.
22:56Didn't hurt him.
22:57You had a relationship with Bowden?
22:59Not really.
23:00I don't know what I had with him.
23:03What she's saying
23:04and the way she's saying it,
23:05I think it's possible
23:06that there's some truth to it.
23:08That's real.
23:10What she's saying is real.
23:12Throwing out all these names
23:14and all these places,
23:15I think her goal was
23:16to basically bury us
23:18in bullshit.
23:19But I do believe
23:21one thing that she said.
23:22Another Jason
23:25from Minnesota.
23:28This happened with Bowden.
23:31And I didn't kill him.
23:33Didn't hurt him.
23:34We think this is a case
23:35of her giving us
23:37a piece of the truth
23:38wrapped in a lie.
23:40Jason, who?
23:44Olsen.
23:45Olsen may be
23:46a fictional last name.
23:48Oh, yeah.
23:49But we first heard
23:51about another Jason,
23:53Jason Reuter,
23:54from Kelly's brother, Colton.
23:56It was between 2012, 2013.
23:59She had been talking
24:00with the guy
24:01for quite some time
24:02on Facebook.
24:03She said he was
24:04from Minnesota.
24:07And I specifically
24:09remember his name
24:11being Jason.
24:14After looking online,
24:16there's a guy
24:16that was shot and killed.
24:19His name is Jason Reuter.
24:22Police were called
24:23to the 1200 block
24:24of Edie Street
24:24in Hastings
24:25around 10 p.m.
24:26Sunday night,
24:27June 22nd,
24:28and reports
24:28of shots fired.
24:29Police do not believe
24:30this to be random.
24:31The picture on the site,
24:34I can't tell you
24:35100% that's the guy.
24:38But right now,
24:40about 90, 95% sure.
24:42Okay.
24:51We're going to attempt
24:52to contact Bowden.
24:54She was dating him
24:56or seeing him
24:56prior to the date
24:58of Jason Reuter's murder.
25:01Hi, this is Laura
25:02Frizzo-Ogden.
25:05I'm calling
25:06from Indiana right now,
25:07but I did an investigation
25:08in Michigan,
25:10and I wondered
25:11if you have a minute
25:12for me to ask you
25:12a couple questions
25:13to help me out.
25:17I'm just doing
25:18some follow-up
25:19on a case
25:20that I handled.
25:20You may have heard of it
25:22involving Kelly Cochran.
25:24Oh, my goodness.
25:26Okay.
25:27Are you familiar
25:27with Kelly?
25:29We were out
25:30for a weekend
25:31like 10 years ago
25:32or something.
25:33Okay.
25:34Can you tell me
25:35about that?
25:36What year do you think
25:36it was that you saw her?
25:38I see,
25:39about 12, maybe?
25:412012-ish?
25:43Yeah.
25:44How did you meet her,
25:45may I ask?
25:46We met on Facebook,
25:47actually.
25:48We played a game
25:48on Facebook together.
25:50What game was that?
25:51Battle Pirates
25:52or something?
25:53I know that I met them
25:55playing a Facebook game
25:56called Battle Pirates.
25:58Interesting.
25:59And we met up
26:01and had some
26:03essential fun
26:04and that was about it.
26:06It was only
26:07just the one time?
26:10Uh, yeah.
26:11About the weekend, yeah.
26:12Did you think
26:13there was anything weird
26:14about the time
26:14you spent together?
26:15Any point where you were like,
26:17thought something
26:18might be off?
26:19Uh, yeah.
26:21Um,
26:22she had all these
26:23butterflies tattooed
26:24all over her.
26:25She refused to talk
26:26about the meeting
26:28and the way
26:28that she clammed up
26:29so hard.
26:30I thought maybe
26:30it was something
26:31in her past
26:32that was an issue,
26:33but...
26:33How come you never
26:34saw each other again?
26:36Um,
26:37she,
26:38for lack of a better term,
26:39ghosted me.
26:41She stopped playing
26:43the game.
26:44Uh,
26:44she stopped responding.
26:45When you guys
26:46hooked up,
26:47did you have any other
26:48close family living
26:49by you at that time?
26:52Uh, yeah.
26:53I was living
26:53at my parents' house,
26:54actually.
26:54Okay.
26:56It's kind of odd
26:56to be getting
26:57a call from you
26:58so many years past.
26:59What's going on?
27:00You're aware
27:01that she's in prison
27:02now, right,
27:03for murder?
27:04Telling her husband
27:05or something?
27:06Yeah,
27:06and another guy also
27:07that she was, uh,
27:09having an affair with.
27:10So,
27:11count your blessings.
27:13Oh, my goodness.
27:16God must have a reason
27:17for me to still be here
27:18after that,
27:19you know what I mean?
27:19Right.
27:20Crap.
27:20Right.
27:22Well, um,
27:23thank you so much
27:24for taking the call,
27:24for answering all
27:25these questions.
27:26You take care.
27:27Yeah, thanks.
27:28You too.
27:28All right, bye-bye.
27:29Bye.
27:33Well, that's interesting.
27:35Um,
27:36the whole butterfly thing.
27:38Have you ever been
27:38to a cadaver farm?
27:39No, I haven't,
27:41but I know what,
27:41I know what you're
27:42going to tell me.
27:44They flock to them.
27:46Oh, I like butterflies.
27:48How did you find that out?
27:51I was allowed to go
27:52to a cadaver farm
27:53in Illinois.
27:55Yeah.
27:57That had to be
27:58an interesting experience
27:59for you.
28:00That's great.
28:02If the actual meaning
28:03of the butterflies
28:03isn't what we've been
28:04led to believe it is,
28:06meaning victims,
28:07why would she not
28:08have told this guy
28:09two years before
28:10they killed Chris Regan
28:13what the butterflies meant?
28:14I mean, to me,
28:15that's, you know,
28:16pretty telling
28:17that those butterfly tattoos
28:18do signify death to her.
28:20And I find it interesting
28:21that through the online gaming,
28:23she connected with this guy
28:24and met up with him.
28:25So you have to wonder
28:26if that didn't happen
28:28in other situations.
28:30And if she was telling
28:31the truth about Bowden,
28:32then she may have been
28:33telling the truth
28:34about this other guy
28:35she killed in Minnesota.
28:37I think we need to focus
28:39on Jason Reuter.
28:41In fact, in 2016,
28:43in a subsequent interview
28:45with Kelly,
28:47Jeremy decides to pull
28:48a picture that he had
28:49printed of Jason Reuter.
28:51you don't know
28:51this guy?
29:03I don't want to answer
29:05any questions about him.
29:06Why would you not want
29:07to answer any questions
29:07about him?
29:08I just don't.
29:10For what reason?
29:15I was able to block him out
29:17and bring him out.
29:19Jeremy was supposed
29:20to have a meeting
29:21with Kelly the following day,
29:22which would have been
29:23April 27th of 2016.
29:26And on that day,
29:27she fled.
29:29So that gave us
29:30a strong suspicion
29:32that maybe there was
29:33some truth to what
29:34Colton said.
29:35She finally confessed
29:37to Jason about
29:38seeing the guy.
29:41And Jason said to her,
29:44well, I'll kill him
29:45if you want.
29:46We're convinced
29:47there's some connection
29:48between her
29:49and Jason Reuter
29:50from Hastings, Minnesota.
29:55So I reached out
29:56to Jason Reuter's
29:58brother, Jeremy.
30:00I told him we were
30:01investigating possible
30:02victims of Kelly Cochran.
30:05And we think she may
30:06have had a relationship
30:07with his brother.
30:10And he was very,
30:12very willing
30:13to participate
30:14in anything
30:15because he still
30:17mourns the loss
30:17of his brother.
30:21I'm really thankful
30:22that you agreed
30:25to meet with us
30:25because I know it's hard
30:26and I know it's going
30:27to be a lot on you.
30:28So what we really
30:31want to do today
30:31is have you just
30:32give us a little bit
30:33of a history of
30:34your relationship
30:35with your family,
30:36your brother,
30:36and how we got
30:38to the point
30:38that we did.
30:40He was a great brother
30:45and a really good dad.
30:47Really cared for his kids.
30:49I see that tattoo
30:51on your arm.
30:52Oh, yeah.
30:53My brother,
30:53that's him there.
30:55Outgoing guy.
30:56Always could make you laugh,
30:57telling jokes.
30:58Just totally opposite of me.
30:59He's a charmer.
31:00Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:02He was always on his phone,
31:04meeting girls online.
31:06Can you tell us about
31:08the night your brother
31:09was murdered?
31:11Well, it was right
31:11before dark on June,
31:13so it was probably
31:149 or so, you know,
31:168.30, 9 o'clock
31:17or something.
31:18Yeah.
31:19And we just got off work.
31:20Me and my,
31:20both of my brothers
31:21and my dad worked
31:23about two blocks away
31:24from where it happened.
31:25And then I went home
31:27and Jason went home
31:28and everything
31:29and he brought his kids
31:29to the ice cream shop
31:30and I took a shower
31:31and all of a sudden
31:32the phone rang
31:32and said Jason got shot,
31:33you know?
31:34So once you got
31:35that phone call,
31:37what's the first thing
31:37you did?
31:38Fell.
31:39Fell to my knees.
31:41Couldn't believe it.
31:42I mean,
31:42it was like my best friend.
31:43I mean,
31:44that's me and my brothers
31:45are like best friends.
31:46We hunt together every day,
31:48fish together every day,
31:50call each other.
31:50I mean,
31:52it was,
31:54I couldn't believe it.
31:55And my wife was just like,
31:56well,
31:56maybe it's not him.
31:57Let's just go figure it out.
31:58You know?
31:58And so we all went down
32:01to M&H,
32:01which is by my brother's house.
32:02My parents,
32:03everybody met at M&H
32:04and other people
32:05were going there.
32:06And you didn't go to the house
32:07because it was blocked out.
32:08They wouldn't let us.
32:09Yeah,
32:09I tried to,
32:10but they wouldn't let us
32:10because he was laying there.
32:11You know,
32:11my parents drove by
32:12and said,
32:13you don't want to go.
32:14Go by there.
32:15Yeah.
32:17So.
32:17So they pulled up like that
32:19and as soon as he walked out
32:21the garage door,
32:23they sat in their car,
32:24I guess from where they say
32:25the bullets went up
32:26into the house.
32:28So they never even got out
32:29of the car for the first shot.
32:32They got him that time
32:34and then he dropped
32:35and then I guess
32:36whoever it was
32:37got out of the car
32:37and walked up
32:38and then shot him in the head.
32:43So somebody saw that?
32:45Yeah,
32:45my nephew.
32:50Did he actually see what happened?
32:52he heard the shots
32:53and then he was looking out
32:56the window
32:57and watched it
32:58and then he went and said,
33:00mommy, mommy,
33:01dad just got shot.
33:02And she's like,
33:03no, no,
33:03you know,
33:04because she thought
33:04it was fireworks or something
33:05and then ran outside
33:07and my brother was laying
33:08there in the driveway
33:09and then she's seen
33:10this vehicle leaving,
33:12a white truck.
33:15When his brother's
33:17ex-girlfriend
33:17called 911,
33:19the vehicle she said
33:20that she saw outside
33:21when she looked out
33:22was a white truck.
33:24That's the vehicle
33:25that Kelly and Jason
33:26Cochran drove.
33:29And did your nephew
33:31describe that person
33:31as a male or a female?
33:35I don't know,
33:36I think he was
33:38five years old
33:39at the time,
33:39so I don't think
33:40he identified,
33:41they tried to make him
33:42do the lineup thing
33:43and I mean,
33:44he's so young
33:44and you know,
33:45I mean,
33:46Jason was this whole world,
33:47you know?
33:47Yeah.
33:48So to have that happen
33:49and to try to like
33:50have a five-year-old
33:52relive that
33:52and like go in
33:53for questioning
33:54and lineups
33:55and it's like,
33:56at first,
33:56after that happened,
33:57me and my wife
33:58took the youngest one
34:00to counseling
34:01for a little while
34:02and it was hard,
34:04you know?
34:05It was hard for me
34:06to get my life on track.
34:08As far as your brother
34:09goes though,
34:10you were aware
34:10that he would see women
34:12on a frequent basis.
34:14He'd meet up with women.
34:15You mentioned,
34:16you know,
34:16social media,
34:17but are you aware
34:18of him ever using
34:19any dating sites?
34:20Yes, he did.
34:21Okay.
34:22Yes.
34:22Do you know
34:23of which ones he used?
34:24No, I don't,
34:24I don't know.
34:24That's okay.
34:25Did he ever have
34:26any crazy stories
34:26about any of them?
34:27Like any,
34:28anything that stands out?
34:29No, but,
34:30but I do,
34:32my brother is like
34:34once he gets a girl
34:37or he meets a girl
34:37or something like that,
34:38he can be a little like
34:40you're mine.
34:41He can be a little like
34:42controlling.
34:43Yeah.
34:44You know what I mean?
34:45During my investigation
34:46all the way back
34:47in 2016,
34:51Kelly's brother,
34:52Colton,
34:52came to me.
34:53This is how
34:54this all begins.
34:55And I think this is
34:56probably really important
34:57for you to know.
34:58Okay.
34:59He came to me
35:00and said,
35:02hey, listen,
35:03I believe that
35:04my sister's responsible
35:05for killing up to nine people.
35:08And I believe
35:09that I figured out
35:11who one of them is.
35:13And,
35:13and he pointed me
35:14in the direction
35:15of your brother.
35:16He,
35:16he had already
35:17pulled it up
35:18on the internet.
35:19He said that
35:20your brother looked
35:21like a photograph
35:22that he had previously
35:24been shown by Kelly.
35:27and he felt
35:28that it was her
35:29and your brother
35:29in this picture
35:31and that
35:32she had come
35:33to Wisconsin
35:34to go sledding
35:36with him
35:37or possibly skiing
35:38is what he said.
35:39He wasn't sure
35:39which one,
35:40but she,
35:41she wanted to borrow
35:42some pants
35:43from him
35:44and a sled
35:44and was coming up
35:46to meet with
35:47who he says
35:49was your brother.
35:51So did your brother
35:52do activities like that?
35:54Would he have,
35:55would he have gone
35:55and met with somebody
35:57for like a weekend
35:58getaway
35:58kind of thing?
36:00Yeah,
36:00he would have.
36:02That's,
36:02yes,
36:02he would.
36:03And he went
36:04to Wisconsin often.
36:05Yeah,
36:05I mean,
36:05it's not far
36:06from Minnesota.
36:07He would go
36:09hours of driving
36:10to meet girls,
36:11you know,
36:12that I do know.
36:13I mean,
36:13for a weekend
36:14you wouldn't see him
36:15for three,
36:15four,
36:16five days.
36:17Jeremy was able
36:18to validate
36:19a lot of things
36:20that we suspected
36:21about his brother Jason
36:22that possibly connect him
36:24to Kelly Cochran.
36:25You know,
36:26his brother
36:26in the weeks,
36:27months leading up
36:28to his death
36:29was hooking up
36:30with girls online
36:30all the time
36:31on a lot of different
36:32social media sites,
36:34dating apps.
36:36He was very likely
36:37to have gone off
36:38sledding or skiing
36:40in Wisconsin
36:40on one of these hookups
36:42and he's known
36:44to get possessive
36:45with women he dates.
36:47This fits with
36:48what Colton told us
36:49about the guy
36:49Kelly was seeing.
36:51Next thing I know,
36:52it completely turned
36:54to where she was saying,
36:56you know,
36:56she's done with him,
36:58he will leave her alone,
36:59keeps calling her,
37:00texting her.
37:06We've gathered
37:07the evidence we need.
37:09I think it's time
37:10to talk to Kelly.
37:12We're headed
37:13to Huron Valley,
37:14Ypsilanti Women's
37:15Correctional Facility.
37:16I've set up an interview
37:18with Kelly Cochran.
37:20I think she always felt
37:21that we would take the time
37:22just to figure out
37:23what the puzzle is
37:24and then come back to her
37:25with the answers
37:26and that's what we're doing now.
37:29Hopefully she'll want to discuss
37:31the Jason Reuter case
37:32out of Minnesota.
37:35The hopes is
37:36she comes in
37:37in a decent mood
37:38and that
37:39she wants
37:40to communicate.
37:42If we're going
37:42to get anything,
37:43maybe it's going
37:44to be today.
37:45Maybe she's going
37:46to give us
37:46another piece
37:47of the puzzle.
37:51All right,
37:52cameras and pictures
37:52are prohibited
37:53on these premises.
37:55No cameras.
38:05It's over.
38:37We'll see you next time.
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