00:00All right, where can Freddie finish all time here?
00:02I think there's no doubting he's a Hall of Famer.
00:04But I'm curious if he can just even duplicate,
00:08which I think is conservative, last year's numbers for the next four years.
00:13Where does he stack up all time for first baseman, do you think?
00:16Near the top.
00:18And you have to think about it in a couple of different ways.
00:21And I think it's funny, before I actually get into the intricacies of Freddie Freeman,
00:26how that news is taken a very different way than the Zach Wheeler news in Philly last year, right?
00:33When Wheeler said he was going to play out his contract and be done.
00:35So he had three years left.
00:36Everybody was like, why are you leaving me on the bone, Zach Wheeler?
00:40I mean, he just had thoracic outlet.
00:41There's a whole bunch of stuff going on.
00:44And that was a huge headline versus Freddie.
00:46It's, oh, yeah, he's got four years.
00:48That's great.
00:48That's awesome.
00:48We love it.
00:49Freddie Freeman getting into the nitty gritty of him has to go down.
00:56Probably near the top five best first baseman of all time when he's got four years left
01:00and it's all said and done.
01:01No, I think so.
01:03I think it's going to be really interesting because then you get in this where we need
01:05like Hembo to talk about, you know, where he stacks up with like a George Sisler or some
01:11of these other guys.
01:11Yeah, right.
01:12In terms of the modern era, like I look at, you know, and I know it's tough from like a
01:16war perspective because like Miguel Cabrera, you know, played all a little bit all over
01:21when he was coming up.
01:22We saw him at third.
01:22We saw him in the outfield a little bit.
01:23Um, and, and Freddie, you know, saying he wants to retire with the Dodgers, he could
01:28potentially win another couple world series to add to that resume.
01:32But when you look from like a war standpoint, and this is by baseball reference war.
01:35So the average of 25 hall of famers at the first base position is 65 war is that's what
01:41baseball reference gives me right now.
01:42And Freeman's at 64, um, imagine he's going to get north of 70 and it's going to put them
01:50right in the range just from a war perspective with Jim Tomey, Frank Thomas, uh, Jeff Bagwell,
01:56uh, to name a few.
01:58But then when you start looking at some of the counting stats, that's where I think it
02:00gets really interesting because, you know, first baseman, it's not as common to get to
02:05three K hits.
02:06Right.
02:06You know, I mean, you look at the guys that qualify as first baseman by baseball reference
02:11and playing enough of their games there.
02:13It's Cap Anson.
02:15It's who, you know, played, uh, I don't even know what year is, but obviously the legend
02:203,400 hits Cap Anson was active by the way, Cap Anson was active from 1871 to 1897.
02:27So do we count him?
02:28That's not the live ball era, which began in 1901.
02:32Exactly.
02:32So really it's apples to oranges, Albert Pujols, Eddie Murray, Miguel Cabrera, Rafael Palmeiro.
02:39That's it.
02:40So that's the clump that he's going to fall into at one point.
02:43And you laid out war.
02:44Like if he's a five win player for the next four years, I mean, he falls into that clump
02:48where you start to dissect the candidacy and these guys, like, it's not a hall of fame
02:54or not candidacy.
02:55It's a, are you a top five first baseman of all time or not candidacy?
02:58Well, and I was going to ask you like, look, is, is there's obviously been better players
03:04that haven't been unanimous, but like how, how high should the vote be for this guy?
03:09If he puts, let's say it's four more years at three and a half to four war.
03:13That's going to put him at 75, 80, almost 80 war.
03:18You're going to have, I think very realistically, he's going to have 3000 hits over 400 homers.
03:24He's not going to be, I know he's not going to be unanimous, but like, this is where it
03:27gets funny to me because there's, and this is where the ballot aspect is so fascinating
03:30to me.
03:31It's like, why isn't that guy on everybody's ballot?
03:33The first time he's, he's a hall of famer by definition.
03:36That's a human error issue.
03:38That's a voter issue.
03:39And like, who's actually voting for this award.
03:41It's so funny that, you know, you say, why can't he be unanimous?
03:44And I scoff.
03:44It's like, there's no way that guy's unanimous.
03:46It's not like my standard is that high because Freddie Freeman's on my ballot.
03:50Shouldn't that be the case if we have a bunch of like-minded individuals, but I'm accounting
03:53for all of the curmudgeons that like only vote for Jeff Kent one year.
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