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22:39par Major Jesse Marcell
22:41en 1947.
22:43Ce que j'ai vu
22:44c'est probablement
22:463⁄8 inches
22:47de diamètre, 12 à 18 inches long.
22:51Le matériau que j'ai
22:53presque ressemblée
22:54à quelque chose qui pourrait être
22:55à l'extérieur de l'extérieur,
22:57comme il y a une explosion
22:59ou à l'extérieur de l'extérieur
23:01de l'extérieur.
23:06Il y a un débris
23:07de l'extérieur de l'extérieur
23:10de 300 feet
23:11de l'extérieur, selon Jesse Marcell,
23:13en chargeé avec ce débris de l'extérieur.
23:14Mac Brazel discrive
23:15le débris est thick
23:17et il n'a pas de débris
23:18il n'a pas de débris.
23:19Il y a clairement beaucoup de débris.
23:20Bill Brazel parle d'un gougue
23:22à travers le centre 500 feet long,
23:2410 feet à son épais.
23:26Nous n'avons pas compréhens
23:27le mécanisme de la débris
23:28de l'extérieur de l'extérieur
23:30de l'extérieur de l'extérieur
23:31de l'extérieur.
23:32C'est un peu plus petit
23:34de l'extérieur,
23:3615 à 20 feet wide,
23:38peut-être 25 feet long.
23:41C'est plus ou moins intact.
23:42Il y a de l'extérieur
23:43de l'extérieur
23:44de l'extérieur
23:44de l'extérieur
23:45de l'extérieur
23:46de l'extérieur
23:46de l'extérieur
23:47de l'extérieur
23:50de l'extérieur
23:51de l'extérieur
23:51de l'extérieur
23:53de l'extérieur
23:55ou c'était une sorte d'escalation d'escalation
23:58et l'ensemble de l'honneur a disintegré
24:00et c'est ce qu'ils ont essayé de sortir.
24:02Nous n'avons simplement pas comprendre cela
24:04et nous devons spéculer sur cela.
24:12Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
24:13Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
24:14Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
24:17et la façon dont l'U.S. Air Force
24:20s'affirait l'incident,
24:21m'a dit beaucoup de gens
24:23que l'U.S. Air Force
24:25et que l'U.S. Air Force
24:27s'affirait de l'escalier.
24:29C'est précisément la mixture de
24:32religion, science, superstition
24:34et folklore, intelligence
24:35et ignorance,
24:37qui a produit, entre les Américains,
24:39une subculture d'escalier
24:40de la vie extraterrestre.
24:44Il s'est devenu old
24:46comme tout autre.
24:48Il s'est devenu un travail,
24:50un travail,
24:51de la vie de l'escalier.
24:51Il s'est devenu un travail,
24:53un travail éventuel.
24:59Le nom est Walter G.
25:02Le G stands pour
25:03George Haut.
25:05H-A-U-T.
25:06Vous d'abord s'ammanager du Haut.
25:09Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
25:40You've got to look at the age group that was out at the base at that time.
25:45So many of the people that had been doing the legwork, so to speak, were in their 20s.
25:52I was one of them.
25:56At the base, I was a crew member, navigator bombardier.
26:02That was my primary duty assignment.
26:04My secondary was as public relations officer for Roswell Army Airfield and the 509th Bomb Group.
26:13The 509th Bomb Group, incidentally, was a very elite group.
26:18It was the only atomic bomb group in the world at the time.
26:22The 509th Bomb Group was originally organized during World War II.
26:28Their mission was to drop the atomic bombs on Japan.
26:41We also dropped the bomb on Bikini.
26:45The organization was pretty much of a tight-lipped organization.
26:49By the time you get to Roswell in 1947, it's the only atomic strike force in the world.
26:55They're training people to begin other atomic bombing groups in the Air Force.
27:03If you became the commander of the 509th Bomb Group, you inevitably were promoted out of the job and became
27:09a general.
27:10It was the premier group in the Air Force in 1947.
27:17Today's edition presents a roundup of the latest developments in the finding of a flying disc.
27:22I was called to headquarters.
27:25I was given copies of a press release which stated, in essence, that we had in our possession a flying
27:34disc.
27:36The Army may be getting to the bottom of all this talk about the so-called flying something.
27:41As a matter of fact, the 509th Atomic Bomb Group headquarters at Roswell, New Mexico,
27:46reports that it has received one of the discs which landed on a ranch outside Roswell.
27:52From what we know, it was shown to William Blanchard in the morning.
27:57About 12 o'clock at noon, a press release was issued by Blanchard.
28:02My father is a 30-year retired Air Force colonel, a World War II fighter ace.
28:08And he knew and worked with William Blanchard in the early 1960s.
28:13And according to my father, Blanchard was no fool.
28:18Blanchard was not the kind of man to put out a press release about something so dramatic as a crashed
28:25UFO
28:26without being absolutely certain he was correct.
28:29In other words, if Blanchard said there was a crashed disc, there was a crashed disc.
28:37Colonel William Blanchard of the Roswell Air Base refuses to give details of what the flying disc looked like.
28:43The media here was localized media.
28:47You had a radio station of 250 watts.
28:49If you were outside of town, you basically didn't get it.
28:51You had a second radio station of equal size.
28:54You had two newspapers.
28:56You could control the media very carefully.
28:59It strikes me as odd in today's environment to hear a radio station owner tell me
29:05that the FCC would call and say, if you broadcast a story, you will lose your license.
29:10And they don't tell the FCC to go play with themselves and broadcast the story anyway.
29:16They suppressed the story and they were able to suppress the story.
29:20They were able to do what they needed to do to suppress it.
29:22This was a military town in 1947.
29:26Then we have the military moving in, cleaning all of that material up.
29:30Walter Haught issues his press release saying, we've got a flying saucer.
29:33I was told to hand deliver to the four news media we had in town at that time.
29:40We had two radio stations and two newspapers.
29:44After I had lunch, I went back out to the base.
29:48First phone call that I got when I got back to the office, it fell from London, England.
29:55His interest was, why did we put out the press release in the manner we did?
30:02And how did Major Marcel know how to fly this object?
30:08I had to explain to him that the press release was put out on the orders of the base commander,
30:13number one.
30:14And number two, Major Marcel did not fly this object.
30:20He took this material and put it on an aeroplane and the aeroplane was flown forward.
30:30The phone rang and rang and rang and rang until, I would guess, somewhere around 4.30.
30:38As I got home somewhere around 5 o'clock.
30:42That was the end of it.
30:45The next morning, when I went out and picked up the newspaper,
30:50it said that headline that General Ramey emptied our saucer.
30:57The story was done.
31:09Ramey says that so far as can be determined,
31:12no one saw the object in the air,
31:14and he describes it as being made of some sort of thin foil.
31:20That was aluminum foil, or a foil of some kind.
31:25It is not the material just so that the material that he brought into Ramey's office
31:31is not what he was photographed with.
31:34That was more of the cover-up.
31:37I believe he said,
31:38I didn't want to be a liar about this,
31:41but when I was told this is what you're going to do,
31:44when the general tells you, you did it.
31:47Simple.
31:48Jesse Marcel, in fact, told a number of people that it was a weather balloon.
31:53When he was shown the picture in the book,
31:56he said, that's not the stuff I brought home.
31:58You know, when he came back from Carswell,
32:01after flying the debris,
32:03he did tell me not to talk about this,
32:05told him whether or not to talk about this.
32:06This is a non-event.
32:07He said, play like it never happened.
32:09Don't even talk about this with your friends,
32:10which I didn't.
32:13And years later,
32:14he confided that he was actually part of the cover-up,
32:16because he went along with the Air Force explanation,
32:20even though he knew full well that that was not true.
32:24What do you think about the weather balloon story?
32:29I think it's been alive from the beginning.
32:33But they have to cover up some way.
32:38There was no weather balloon.
32:40My dad would not have gotten excited over a weather balloon.
32:43He was not easily excitable.
32:46And this is the most thrilled I'd ever seen him in my life.
32:50He thought that was the most fantastic thing in the world.
32:55When the government said it was not a flying saucer,
32:59there were no space people here,
33:02it was a weather balloon,
33:04the people in Roswell said,
33:05OK, it's a weather balloon.
33:09Roswell seems to be the first event like this,
33:13because they were simply not prepared.
33:15So we've got a lot of interest in this area.
33:17The lid is slowly being shut down.
33:20And it's absolutely brilliant what they did.
33:23They announced they have a flying saucer,
33:26but they've already captured it.
33:28They've already got it.
33:29There's nothing to see,
33:30so nobody goes out looking for the thing.
33:31Then they shift everything to Fort Worth.
33:34The higher headquarters says,
33:35no, no, those guys made a mistake.
33:36It was just a weather balloon.
33:37The press can't find Jesse Marcel,
33:39because he's in Fort Worth,
33:41and he's been silenced.
33:42They can't find Mac Brazzo,
33:43because he's held at the guest house here at the base.
33:46All the people they can find,
33:47General Ramey,
33:48General Ramey is saying it's a weather balloon.
33:51Colonel Blanchard suddenly goes on leave on Tuesday.
33:54So you can't get a hold of anybody.
33:56Blanchard's gone,
33:57Marcel's gone,
33:58the rancher's gone.
33:59All you can get are official spokesmen saying,
34:00yeah, it's a weather balloon.
34:01Press has got nowhere to go.
34:03The story dies at that point.
34:05Nothing to go on.
34:06And everybody forgets about it
34:09until Jesse Marcel says,
34:11I picked up pieces of a flying saucer.
34:14So other than those people
34:15that had any immediate access to the material,
34:20handled it or saw it,
34:22the story was over.
34:24We'd made a mistake.
34:30Fear will do a lot of things.
34:34And that was fear.
34:39In 1947,
34:41it was much easier
34:43to intimidate a child
34:45than it is in today's world.
34:47We were not exposed to things like TV.
34:49and we didn't have a TV in 1947.
34:54And it was just,
34:57we were a very patriotic town.
34:59If we were told you don't do something
35:02for government safety,
35:03the safety of your country,
35:05we didn't do it.
35:15I'm not sure what the time span was.
35:17Maybe three days,
35:17maybe four.
35:18Could have been less.
35:19Could have been more.
35:22It was at home
35:23and the car came driving up the driveway
35:26and we had a pretty long driveway.
35:28It was a military car.
35:32and mother and I walked to the door.
35:36They knocked on the door
35:38and I answered the door
35:39and mother was beside me
35:40and he told mother who he was
35:47and that he wanted to talk
35:49to the girl that had been out
35:54at the fire station.
35:56And so she told her it was me.
35:58and so he came in.
36:03And we started to sit down
36:05in the living room
36:06and he said,
36:06no, I want you
36:09go in there in the dining room.
36:10You could see the dining room
36:11from the living room there.
36:13He told mother to sit
36:14at the end of the table
36:15and he told me to sit at the side.
36:18He positioned himself
36:20across the table
36:23and he told us to sit down
36:24and he stood.
36:28and he said,
36:31I understand you were
36:32at the fire station
36:33the other day
36:34and I told him,
36:35yes, I was.
36:36And he started out by saying,
36:40I want you to understand
36:42that you were never there.
36:44And I didn't understand
36:45what he meant
36:47because this was kind of a
36:51not a way of talking
36:52that we were accustomed to.
36:55And I said,
36:56yes, I was there.
36:59And he said,
37:00no, you weren't.
37:01And I said,
37:02yeah, I was there.
37:04And
37:06he had mentioned
37:07at first
37:08that he wanted to see
37:09the one who had seen
37:09the piece of material
37:10that they
37:12had been handling
37:13down the station.
37:14and
37:16I said,
37:17yes, I did handle it.
37:18Then he started
37:19emphasizing,
37:20no, you didn't.
37:22Well, my mother
37:23was pretty strict
37:24and we didn't lie.
37:26So I'm insistent
37:28that yes,
37:28I saw it.
37:29Yes, I held it.
37:30And he got mad
37:32and he was,
37:33the more I insisted,
37:34I had seen it.
37:37He didn't just come out
37:38and say,
37:39this is not something
37:40you're going to be allowed
37:41to talk about.
37:41he was trying
37:42to get it
37:42through my head
37:43that I never saw it.
37:46And he got louder
37:49and he had
37:51one of those,
37:53looks like a small
37:54baseball bat
37:55that hooks
37:55on the side
37:56of your belt
37:57and he took that out
37:58and he's holding it
37:59and he starts
38:00beating his hand.
38:01Every time he said
38:02something,
38:02he would hit that
38:03on his hand
38:05and he would say,
38:06I want you to understand,
38:08you were never there.
38:10you did not see
38:12anything,
38:14you did not hear
38:15a conversation
38:18and he said,
38:19if you can't
38:19understand this,
38:21there are things
38:22that we can do.
38:24He asked mother,
38:26he said,
38:26can she keep
38:27a secret?
38:28And mother said,
38:28yes.
38:30She said,
38:30just tell her
38:31what you want her
38:31to do.
38:35and he said,
38:36well,
38:36first of all,
38:36you've got to
38:36understand that
38:38if you ever talk
38:39about this
38:40the rest of your life,
38:45he said,
38:45there are things
38:46that we can do
38:46and we'll do them now.
38:48We can take
38:49all of you kids,
38:51we will take you
38:52either to Orchard Park
38:53or to Artesia.
38:55Orchard Park
38:56was the German
38:56POW camp
38:57during World War II
38:58and Artesia
38:59was the Japanese
39:00POW camp.
39:04and he said,
39:05but we don't
39:06have to do that.
39:07We don't even
39:07have to let you live.
39:08He said,
39:09we'd put you in one,
39:10we'd put your parents
39:11in the other one,
39:12but we don't
39:13have to do that.
39:14He said,
39:14we could take you
39:15out here in the middle
39:15of this desert.
39:17He said,
39:17no one will ever
39:18find your bodies,
39:19ever.
39:20No one will ever
39:20know what happened
39:21to you.
39:24And so,
39:25he said,
39:25the only way
39:26I'm going to let you
39:27stay around
39:28or live
39:29is if you promise
39:30you'll never talk
39:30about this
39:31the rest of your life.
39:33So I told him
39:34I wouldn't.
39:36But that really
39:37was pretty much
39:38all that
39:40was involved.
39:41He was probably
39:42there at the house
39:43maybe
39:4445 minutes
39:45to an hour.
39:47Mother sent me
39:48into the bedroom
39:48and I don't know
39:49what he had to say
39:50to her afterwards.
39:53One of the other
39:54military police
39:55that was with him
39:55stayed in the backyard
39:56with the younger kids
39:58so they didn't come
39:59in the house
39:59while he was there.
40:02And I never
40:02discussed it again
40:06until recently.
40:10And I'm sorry,
40:11I just...
40:14Someday
40:16I won't get over it
40:17and I haven't yet.
40:18Your mother
40:19must have had
40:19a hard time
40:20explaining to you.
40:22Obviously,
40:22you were raised
40:23to be honest.
40:24She never talked to us
40:25about it,
40:25never.
40:26It was never
40:26mentioned again.
40:28From the time
40:29you came walking
40:29out of your bedroom?
40:31From the time
40:31I went to the bedroom
40:32until the day she died,
40:34we never mentioned it.
40:37There was no conversation.
40:40What did you find?
40:42I never talked
40:43to him about it either.
40:44I'm sure they must
40:45have talked to him
40:46down at the station.
40:48He must have
40:49had a good talking.
40:50I imagine he did.
40:54Excuse me
40:55just a moment.
40:55That's it.
40:56That's it.
40:57Can you drink this?
41:01No, I just wish
41:02this whole thing
41:02would go away.
41:06It doesn't go away.
41:13And it doesn't
41:14get any easier
41:16because every time
41:18that I tell somebody
41:20about it,
41:21I feel like
41:22I'm 12 years old again.
41:25I can see the guy
41:26standing there
41:29with sunglasses on
41:31and he never
41:31took his hat off
41:32and he never
41:33took his sunglasses off
41:34beating his hand
41:35with that stick
41:36and threatening us.
41:39And at the time
41:40he did it,
41:40it was okay
41:43because we'd been
41:44through the war,
41:44we understood
41:45and I didn't realize
41:47it was intimidation.
41:52I had no idea
41:53what it was
41:53until
41:56probably the last
41:56five years actually
41:59because I never
42:00talked about it again.
42:01I never mentioned
42:02it to anybody.
42:04When this all came out
42:05and my kids found out
42:07about it,
42:07they were really upset
42:08with me
42:10because I never
42:11told him about it.
42:13A husband
42:14who was very upset
42:15with me about it too
42:16because I never
42:16told him about it.
42:19What was it
42:20that made you
42:20finally talk?
42:22Kevin Randall.
42:24If we had Frankie Rose
42:26story stand alone,
42:28I would be bothered
42:29by it.
42:31A 12-year-old girl
42:33who meets
42:34with military officers
42:35can certainly
42:36misconstrue
42:37what they're
42:37trying to tell her.
42:39Especially
42:40the way
42:41that they arrived
42:42at her house.
42:44We know
42:44the event took place
42:45because her sister
42:46corroborates it.
42:47Her sister corroborates
42:48her father's involvement.
42:49We have affidavits
42:51on that.
42:53So yeah,
42:54I believe Frankie Rose
42:55story.
42:55I think that they
42:56did visit her
42:57and they did
42:58suggest the things
42:59she says they suggest.
43:00And I believe that
43:01because we know
43:02that others were
43:03intimidated
43:03in similar fashions.
43:05We have the military
43:06people telling us
43:06they were sworn
43:07to secrecy.
43:09All of this
43:09going on around it.
43:10So Frankie Rose
43:11is not standalone.
43:12There's corroborative
43:13testimony that suggests
43:14somebody was putting
43:15pressure on people
43:17to silence them
43:18and they used
43:19what means
43:20were necessary
43:20to keep
43:21those people silent.
43:22With the military
43:23people it was
43:23merely the threat
43:24of imprisonment
43:25and going to jail
43:26because they
43:26understood that.
43:27With some of
43:28the civilians
43:28they were told
43:29that if you ever
43:29talk about it
43:30you will be killed.
43:31One of the people
43:32I forgot,
43:32Sheriff Wilcox,
43:33his family was
43:34told the same thing
43:34that if he talked
43:35about it
43:36not only would
43:37he be killed
43:37his wife would
43:38be killed
43:39and his daughters
43:39would be killed.
43:40The whole family
43:41would be wiped out.
43:42That comes from
43:42Sheriff Wilcox's
43:43granddaughter
43:44Barbara Duggar
43:46who heard the story
43:47from her grandmother.
43:48So we have
43:48a wide range
43:49of testimonies
43:50from various
43:50individuals
43:51telling us
43:52of the pressures
43:53that were placed
43:54on them
43:54to keep them silent
43:55and I think
43:56they used
43:56the technique
43:57that was best
43:58for that specific
43:58group of individuals.
44:08The material
44:09that was found
44:10out on the debris
44:11field was secondary
44:13to the crash
44:15of the actual object
44:17on the night
44:18of the 4th of July.
44:22I have heard secondhand
44:24that there were
44:25alien bodies.
44:28My mother had a friend
44:30I told you
44:31she and I never
44:32talked about it again.
44:34She had a lady
44:35that would come out
44:36and visit with her
44:36occasionally
44:37and this woman's
44:38husband was working
44:39out at the base.
44:40He was a painter
44:42contracting
44:43to the government
44:45and he was painting
44:46in the base hospital
44:47the day they brought
44:47them in
44:48and he saw
44:49the one walking in
44:50and I heard
44:52mother and Yulamay
44:53talking
44:55about
44:56Herbert
44:57seeing
44:58the one
44:58that walked in
45:00and that they
45:01brought others
45:02in on the stretchers
45:05and
45:06mother said
45:07to Yulamay
45:08did Herbert
45:09tell you
45:10what the face
45:10looks like
45:11because Dan
45:12said it looked
45:12like the child
45:13of the earth
45:13and Yulamay
45:15said that's
45:15what Herbert
45:16said
45:19and of course
45:20they put them
45:21in this side room
45:22but a bunch
45:23of guys
45:23are not going
45:24to just stand
45:25there you know
45:26they're going
45:26to peek
45:27if they possibly
45:28can
45:28and they looked
45:30and I'm sure
45:31that probably
45:32mother and Yulamay
45:33and maybe daddy
45:35and Herbert
45:36maybe there was
45:37more discussion
45:37than I know about
45:38but not in my presence
45:40it was the only
45:41reference I ever
45:42heard her make
45:42about that
45:45but I think
45:46that was done
45:47before they
45:48came out
45:49to the house
45:51because after
45:52they came out
45:52to the house
45:52I never heard
45:53another comment
46:13the U.S. Air Force
46:14is about to tell us
46:15what it says happened
46:17we're going over
46:17to the Pentagon now
46:18where Colonel John Haynes
46:20of the U.S. Air Force
46:21will tell us
46:21for some bizarre reason
46:24the Air Force
46:26which whenever you
46:27queried about UFOs
46:28said we have no
46:29interest in UFOs
46:30if you feel threatened
46:30by them
46:31contact the local
46:32law enforcement
46:33decided they were
46:34going to reinvestigate
46:35the Roswell case
46:36the conclusion
46:36of the first report
46:37left no doubt
46:38that what was recovered
46:39near Roswell, New Mexico
46:40in July 1947
46:42was debris
46:43from a formerly
46:44top secret
46:45Army Air Forces
46:46research project
46:47codenamed Mogul
46:481947 they told us
46:50it was a balloon
46:51with a raywind target
46:52attached to it
46:53they then looked
46:55at their documentation
46:55and said
46:56well we told a little
46:56white lie in 1947
46:58instead of just being
47:00a normal meteorological
47:01balloon
47:01it was part of
47:02the array train
47:03for what was then
47:04classified
47:05the classified project
47:06Project Mogul
47:07Mogul was an attempt
47:08to acoustically detect
47:10Soviet nuclear blast
47:12and ballistic missile
47:13launches
47:15the Air Force
47:16said that
47:16that explains it
47:17it's a highly classified
47:18project
47:19the people at Roswell
47:19wouldn't have recognized
47:20the balloon
47:21that's why it was
47:22covered up
47:23we didn't want
47:23the people to get back
47:24to Project Mogul
47:26where this falls down
47:27is
47:28they have no documentation
47:29to prove what was
47:30picked up at Roswell
47:30was a Project Mogul balloon
47:32the people at Roswell
47:33Jesse Marcel
47:34for example
47:34the Air Intelligence
47:35Officer
47:36was part of
47:37Operations Crossroads
47:38and we're told
47:39that the raywind targets
47:40and the meteorological balloons
47:43were used
47:44as part of the atomic testing
47:45so he should have been
47:46familiar with the balloons
47:47so you've got a situation
47:49where they're saying
47:50these guys
47:51with their fingers
47:52on the triggers
47:52if you will
47:52can't identify a balloon
47:53and are so hysterically
47:55possessed
47:56that they claim
47:57it's a flying saucer
47:59they didn't review
48:00the tapes of
48:01Lewis Rickett
48:01the counterintelligence
48:02NCOIC
48:03at the base
48:04who saw the debris
48:05and commented on it
48:06they didn't review
48:07the tapes of
48:08Major Edwin Easley
48:09who told me
48:10that he couldn't
48:11talk about it
48:12because it was still
48:13classified 47 years later
48:15told me a number of times
48:16in our first conversation
48:17I can't talk about it
48:18I was sworn to secrecy
48:19they didn't even talk
48:20to Brigadier General
48:21Arthur Exxon
48:22who reported
48:23that he flew over
48:24the two sites
48:24two distinct sites
48:25and reports the gouge
48:27a balloon will not
48:28leave a gouge
48:29so they didn't talk
48:30to the people
48:30I would think
48:31were key people
48:32instead they talked
48:33to the people
48:33that are going to lead
48:34them directly
48:34to the Project Mogul
48:35explanation
48:36and let it go at that
48:37they say this was
48:39a top secret project
48:40implying there was
48:41special equipment
48:42it's a neoprene balloon
48:43and ray wind targets
48:45ray wind targets
48:45had been used
48:46for 20 years
48:48at first they were used
48:49because they reflected
48:50the sun
48:51and they could track
48:51them visually much easier
48:52now they were adapted
48:54to radar use
48:55Irving Newton said
48:56they launched
48:57literally hundreds of them
48:58during the invasion
48:59of Okinawa
49:00there's nothing special
49:01about these balloons
49:02nothing at all
49:03and by placing it
49:05with Project Mogul
49:06we're implying
49:07that there was
49:08something unusual
49:08about these balloons
49:09that there was
49:10something that would
49:11keep these people
49:11from identifying
49:12but there wasn't
49:13this is in reference
49:15to Charles Moore
49:17who was the project
49:18engineer on Mogul
49:20with respect to
49:21the neoprene rubber
49:22used on those
49:23meteorological balloons
49:25and they were
49:25standard meteorological
49:27balloons
49:27the idea that
49:28the Mogul array
49:30was something special
49:31or out of the ordinary
49:32is an illusion
49:33but Moore explained
49:35to me the type of rubber
49:37how thin it was
49:38he actually compared
49:40it to a giant condom
49:41he said it was very thin
49:44and that's what it
49:45looked like
49:46and my response
49:47to that was
49:48well if that's the type
49:49of material
49:49that this resembled
49:51it certainly isn't
49:52anything that would
49:53have fooled any members
49:54of the United States
49:55armed forces
49:57therefore this was not
49:59a Mogul balloon
50:11I don't know
50:12that the Air Force
50:12has ever explained
50:13what took them so long
50:14to say this is the explanation
50:17if this is the explanation
50:19when I sent the first request
50:21to the Secretary of Defense
50:23for a response
50:24about the Roswell incident
50:25in view of the fact
50:26that there were these accusations
50:28essentially of a government cover-up
50:29the response I got
50:31was a very terse letter
50:33that said in about
50:34a sentence or two
50:35from the Air Force
50:36we referred your letter
50:37to the National Archives
50:39and that's all it said
50:40the National Archives
50:41then said
50:41we don't have any information
50:42about the Roswell incident
50:44which I was convinced
50:45the Defense Department
50:46had to know
50:47before they were
50:47sending me there
50:48so in other words
50:49I thought I was getting
50:50the runaround
50:51they believe
50:52that the records
50:54in fact
50:54were destroyed
50:55more than four decades ago
50:57so there's not
50:57an individual
50:58on the job now
50:59we can just call up
51:00and say
51:00what happened
51:01to these records
51:02and so the GAO
51:03has simply
51:04no further
51:06recommendations
51:06or ideas
51:07on how to go farther
51:09the only records
51:10we're talking about
51:10being destroyed
51:11are communications
51:12from Roswell Army Airfield
51:14the 509th
51:15only atomic bombing group
51:16in the world
51:17out
51:17out moving messages
51:19how about the analysis
51:20of the materials
51:20how about the autopsy reports
51:22how about the
51:23eyewitness testimony
51:24from those who stood guard
51:25those who carried it
51:26those who tested
51:27at various government labs
51:28there ought to be
51:29a ton of other paper
51:32what happened to this
51:33what happened to the one
51:34that was alive
51:37I'm positive
51:38that there's information
51:39being withheld
51:39from the public domain
51:40concerning the Roswell event
51:47there are
51:49a lot of things
51:51that our government hides
51:55and it isn't right
51:57they shouldn't
52:00they especially
52:01shouldn't do it
52:02to a town
52:02like Roswell
52:03that was so supportive
52:05of every single thing
52:07that they did
52:09the story
52:10is going to end
52:11one of these days
52:12because there's nobody
52:13going to be able
52:14to refute it
52:15or say anything about it
52:25it's going to be able
52:47to be able to
52:48to be able to
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