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00:01So you don't believe it was a burglary gone wrong, is that what you're saying?
00:04I believe it was a kidnapping.
00:07All new at 2, Fox News going one-on-one with the Pima County Sheriff Chris Nannos
00:12as the search for Nancy Guthrie intensifies and investigators zero in on key leads.
00:18Welcome to a brand new hour of America Reports.
00:20I'm John Roberts. Thank you for filling in this week.
00:22You are most welcome, John.
00:24The bill will come later in the week, so look out for that in the mail.
00:27It's great to be with you.
00:28The check will be in the mail.
00:29Thank you. I look forward to receiving it.
00:31I'm Jillian Turner in for Sandra today.
00:33So this interview now with all these breaking developments come as the sheriff has also been saying
00:40that the entire Guthrie family is cleared from this investigation.
00:43They are not suspects.
00:45We're also getting new details on investigators working directly with Walmart,
00:49trying to trace the exact items that the suspect was seen wearing on camera.
00:53Let's get straight to Chief Correspondent Jonathan Hunt now,
00:56who just sat down with the sheriff for this exclusive interview.
01:00Jonathan, lay it out for us.
01:02What did you learn?
01:04A lot of breaking news out of this interview, Jillian and John.
01:09The sheriff had just come from the latest briefing on this investigation.
01:16And I asked him, first of all, about the glove that we've all heard about,
01:20the glove on which they had found DNA, which was being tested,
01:25and was going to then be entered into the FBI's CODIS system,
01:30which is the national tracking system for DNA that they might have from people
01:36who have committed crimes in the past.
01:38His answer to that, not good news for the investigation.
01:41Listen here to the sheriff.
01:43The DNA on the glove that was found two miles away was submitted for CODIS,
01:49and I just heard that CODIS had no hits.
01:52No hits on the DNA found in the glove.
01:55Correct.
01:55So you are no closer to a suspect as a result of the DNA test, at least.
02:00As a result of CODIS.
02:04Now, remember also, we broke the news last Friday,
02:08that they had tested also DNA that was found inside Nancy Guthrie's house
02:14that they believed was stranger DNA.
02:17Well, the sheriff also told us no CODIS hit on that DNA either.
02:23Then I talked to him about this reporting that has been out there,
02:26not repeated by us, that this was a burglary gone wrong.
02:30The sheriff said, it was not.
02:33Listen again to the sheriff.
02:35You just said you, and your briefings, you believe it's a kidnapping.
02:39I believe it was a kidnapping.
02:40Targeted kidnapping.
02:41Yes, I believe whoever did that knew what they were up to.
02:44So do you believe they were...
02:44Knew who they were after.
02:48So, we also talked to the sheriff about these reports of the FBI going to gun stores.
02:54They have indeed been going to gun stores,
02:56but there was a report out there that they had narrowed it down, essentially,
03:00to 40 suspects they were asking about and showing pictures of.
03:05Here's the sheriff's response to that.
03:07Tell me this, if you can, Sheriff.
03:09Is everybody in Tucson still a suspect,
03:12or have you narrowed it down to, say, a few dozen people?
03:15We've heard, for instance, the FBI is asking about 40 people at gun stores.
03:20That's not true.
03:20Okay, so have you narrowed it down to a few dozen, or are we still...
03:25We haven't narrowed it down to anything other than we have certain pieces of evidence
03:29that we're looking at to try to find this individual,
03:33whether it be DNA, whether it be that ring camera video,
03:36whether it be evidence at a Walmart that might lead us to somebody.
03:42A couple of other important points from this wide-ranging interview, John and Jillian.
03:48I asked the sheriff if there are any indications at all
03:52that Nancy Guthrie may have been taken across the border into Mexico,
03:57just about 65 miles or so south of us here.
04:00He said no indications of that.
04:03He said he believes the FBI has been checking that,
04:06but no indications of that at this point.
04:09And I followed up with him on the news that he put out a statement about yesterday,
04:14the clearing, the Guthrie family, their siblings and spouses.
04:18He said to me, 100%, they are victims not connected.
04:25So a lot of news, but the bad news in terms of the investigation,
04:29that DNA, neither the DNA in the house or the DNA on the glove
04:33coming back with a hit on the FBI's national database.
04:37I hate to use the phrase, back to square one, John and Jillian,
04:41but if we are talking about the squares that have been moved forward,
04:44we're certainly in the low single digits in terms of this investigation.
04:48John and Jillian?
04:49I mean, it's also got to be pretty disappointing,
04:54for lack of a better word, for the family watching this to hear him say
04:58they haven't narrowed down the search to anybody, meaning no suspects right now.
05:06Extraordinary, Jillian.
05:07When you talk to him, and you can feel the frustration in the sheriff.
05:12Obviously, he has come in for some criticism from some quarters.
05:15But I will say now, having got to know him a little bit over the last 16 days that we've
05:20been here,
05:20he is a man who wants to solve this crime, quite obviously.
05:25He has decades in law enforcement.
05:27There's Monday morning quarterbacking going on.
05:30Maybe some mistakes have been made.
05:31That's not for me to say.
05:33But this is a man who has a lot of compassion for the Guthrie family,
05:37really wants, just like every single law enforcement official on the ground here,
05:42they want to solve this case.
05:44But clearly, they are very frustrated, and clearly, they are struggling to find out
05:50where Nancy Guthrie is and who took her.
05:53So, Jonathan, here's something that a lot of folks I talk to are trying to wrap their head around.
05:56If this was not a robbery gone bad, if it was a kidnapping,
06:00but this idea that the ransom notes was a dead end,
06:03and we're not hearing anything from kidnappers.
06:05I mean, the object of kidnapping is you get something for the person that you've kidnapped.
06:09So what's this all about?
06:13Well, that's an open question, John, and a very good question.
06:17I asked the sheriff about the ransom notes, and he said that is mainly an investigative lead for the FBI.
06:24Clearly, the ransom notes have not been ruled inauthentic or entirely authentic at this point.
06:31But the sheriff was quite adamant, not a burglary.
06:34I did ask him about was anything taken at all.
06:37He said he couldn't talk about that.
06:38I asked him again about the forced entry or no forced entry.
06:42He wouldn't talk about that.
06:43And he said quite plainly, there are things we are not going to tell you
06:48because they are so germane to this investigation that they could compromise this investigation
06:54if we tell you.
06:55And as we've said throughout, John, they have every right to keep whatever information they want from us.
07:00But clearly, yeah, it's a struggle.
07:02But equally clearly, the sheriff believes in his gut.
07:05And I asked him his gut as a decades-long law enforcement officer what he thinks this is.
07:10And he said, I believe it is a kidnapping, not a burglary gone wrong.
07:16All right.
07:17Well, we'll see if we ever hear from the kidnappers.
07:19Jonathan Hunt for us with the latest.
07:20Jonathan, thank you.
07:21Let's bring in Fox News contributor and criminal defense attorney Josh Ritter for more on this.
07:26Josh, put it all together for us.
07:27We got DNA on the glove that doesn't match anybody in the CODIS base,
07:31which just means that whoever had the DNA on the glove,
07:36whoever was wearing the glove, is probably not a convicted criminal.
07:39We got different DNA in the house.
07:41The sheriff thinks it's a kidnapping, not a robbery gone bad,
07:44yet there's nothing from the kidnappers.
07:46So where does the case stand at this point?
07:51I don't think there's an easy way of putting it, that it's discouraging.
07:55These appear to be setbacks.
07:57You were hoping for some sort of hit, some sort of lead,
08:00some sort of way to move the investigation forward with that glove that they found.
08:05But especially discouraging is the idea that the glove doesn't even match the DNA inside of the home,
08:10so we can't even determine at this point if the glove is even involved or if it's just a false
08:15lead,
08:16just some random glove that was left behind.
08:18And the idea that the DNA, the unidentified DNA found inside the home,
08:22which is their best lead as far as the forensic goes, comes back to nothing in CODIS.
08:27Again, yes, it's nice that they have a sample, but now they don't have anything to do with that sample
08:33unless they're testing it against people that they're detaining.
08:36As far as the comments about whether or not this was a kidnapping, a residential burglary gone bad,
08:43I think it's really a distraction at this point because that person showed up with obvious bad intentions.
08:48He's got a mask on, he's got gloves on, he's got a gun, he's got a backpack.
08:53He's going inside that home to commit some sort of crime and perhaps most likely some sort of crime of
08:58violence,
08:58whether or not that's a kidnapping, whether or not he showed up to take things from the home.
09:04I don't think that gets us any closer to finding the individual or finding Nancy
09:08and kind of quibbling over words or what his intentions were.
09:12It just seems like we're debating over theories, especially when it's coming from law enforcement.
09:16You would think the focus would just be on finding new evidence and finding suspects,
09:21which apparently at this point they have none.
09:24Josh, this is Jillian.
09:26It struck me when the sheriff said in response to Jonathan's question that they have not,
09:32he asked him if they had narrowed this down to a few dozen potential suspects,
09:36and the sheriff said, well, we haven't narrowed it down to anybody.
09:39And they have been saying they don't have a suspect, so in a sense it's not new,
09:42but hearing him put it like that was just especially, I don't know, disappointing.
09:49If you're the family listening to that, what do you read into it?
09:54It's very disappointing.
09:56We're now into week three, 16 days that she's been missing,
10:00and you would think that they would at least have a pool of likelies,
10:03a pool of possible people of interest that they would be working off of.
10:07But the idea, according to the sheriff, that this is just wide open.
10:11Everybody in the area and beyond is a suspect.
10:14To me, you know, Jonathan said if we're not at square one, we're in the low digits.
10:19I agree.
10:19It does seem as though this investigation is not all that further along than it was initially.
10:25And it's starting, yes, is it disappointing, discouraging, frustrating?
10:30We're hoping there might be more taking place behind the scenes we're not aware of.
10:34But as we stand here right now, it does not seem hopeful.
10:37So one of the things that might be going on,
10:39because you don't get a DNA match with CODIS from the DNA that was in the house
10:42or the DNA from the glove,
10:43do they now move to IgG, investigative genetic genealogy,
10:47as they did in the Koberger case, to see if they can come up with a match?
10:52Absolutely.
10:53And I'm glad that you referenced the Koberger case
10:55because one glimmer of hope that we can glean out of that
10:58is that in the Koberger case,
10:59they had actually identified through the reconstruction of a family tree
11:05and the use of IgG,
11:07they had identified Koberger as a suspect.
11:09And that was not information shared for 11 days until he was actually arrested.
11:14So it could be that they're well on their way
11:16to trying to at least narrow down relatives of who this person is,
11:20especially the unidentified DNA recovered from the home.
11:23They've had that for some time now.
11:25Hopefully that is the next step that they've already taken,
11:27but they have not shared whether or not that process is underway or not.
11:31All right.
11:31Well, we'll see where it goes from here,
11:32but it's certainly puzzling.
11:34Josh Ritter for us.
11:34Josh, thanks for kicking us off.
11:36Appreciate it.
11:36Thanks, Josh.
11:38No match so far for the DNA in Nancy Guthrie's home
11:43and the glove that was found about two miles from her property.
11:48That is what the sheriff is telling Fox News.
11:51The DNA on the glove that was found two miles away was submitted for CODIS.
11:57And I just heard that CODIS had no hits.
12:00No hits on the DNA found in the glove.
12:03Correct.
12:04So you are no closer to a suspect as a result of the DNA test, at least.
12:09As a result of CODIS.
12:10Chief Correspondent Jonathan Hunt speaking with the sheriff there.
12:14He joins us live in Tucson along with retired homicide detective John Buehler,
12:19who investigated Lacey Peterson's disappearance in 2002.
12:24Her husband, Scott, was later convicted of killing her and their unborn son, Connor.
12:32Gentlemen, welcome.
12:33Jonathan.
12:36Yeah, Martha, it was a fascinating conversation with the sheriff today.
12:41By the way, there was one point, you remember, earlier today we saw SWAT vehicles roll out of here.
12:46The only other time they've rolled out has been when they have been on their way to detain people
12:52and execute search warrants.
12:53What the sheriff told us today, Tuesday is training day,
12:57so you don't need to read anything into the SWAT vehicles going out today, apparently, at this point.
13:02But everything else, he told us, did not appear to be good news for the investigation, Martha.
13:07First of all, as you just played that soundbite,
13:10no match in the FBI's CODIS National Criminal Database for the DNA found in the glove.
13:17So then I asked him also about the DNA that was found inside the house
13:23and whether that was even the same as the DNA found in the glove.
13:26Listen here to his answer.
13:28So let me ask you, is there a match on the DNA in the glove to the DNA, the unknown
13:37DNA that you found in the house?
13:39There's no match to the DNA at the house.
13:41So entirely separate DNA?
13:43Correct.
13:43OK. So that would mean if there's no, is there a CODIS match from the DNA in the house?
13:49No.
13:52So not good news, Martha, for the investigation or for the Guthrie family, of course, on that basis,
13:57at least where the DNA has been tested so far, Martha.
14:01Let's bring in John Buehler.
14:03Thank you, Jonathan.
14:04John Buehler, retired homicide detective.
14:05John, your reaction to that, tell me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that what that really means
14:12is that the person who committed this crime, who took Nancy Guthrie,
14:18just isn't already in a crime database for the DNA, right?
14:25Yeah, you got it precisely right on that.
14:27And although it is not great news today that the glove didn't match the foreign DNA that was found in
14:32the house,
14:32that doesn't mean that the foreign DNA can't be matched to a suspect if he's found at a later time
14:37with another means.
14:38It just means it's going to be taking a little bit longer to determine who this person is.
14:42And even long ago, when the glove, you know, not a great distance away from the house was first found,
14:47I wasn't necessarily convinced that it was related to Nancy's abduction,
14:52because there was nothing that said for sure on that.
14:54It just was similar, and it could have been.
14:55But the DNA that was present in the house, foreign, not belonging there,
14:59is the one that I'm more interested in than anything else.
15:02A little bit longer to find out who did it.
15:04There would have been a shortcut if we would have gotten good results today.
15:06Yeah, absolutely.
15:07So, Jonathan, it seems that the DNA that was found in the house
15:12that is not a match to people who are known to be in that house on a regular basis
15:17is obviously the real focus here.
15:20That DNA, I think it's safe to assume,
15:22belongs to the person who we see in the video at the front door, right?
15:27That would be an absolutely reasonable assumption, Martha.
15:32So that is clearly the focus.
15:34But again, it's not in the CODIS database.
15:36So as you were just saying, that would appear to mean that the person who left that DNA there
15:42has not been convicted of the kind of crime that would get them into CODIS.
15:47So it's a longer search, exactly that.
15:51I also asked the sheriff, by the way, Martha,
15:53about this theory that had been going around in the media,
15:57in certain quarters of the media,
15:58that this was, in fact, a burglary gone wrong, not a targeted kidnapping.
16:04His answer to that, very interesting.
16:06Listen to that now.
16:09You just said you, and your briefings, you believe it's a kidnapping.
16:12I believe it was a kidnapping.
16:13Targeted kidnapping.
16:15Yes, I believe whoever did that knew what they were up to.
16:17So do you believe who they were up to?
16:21Yeah, John Buehler, your reaction.
16:24So the sheriff said that came from his.
16:26Sorry, Martha, sorry.
16:27No, go ahead.
16:28Okay, yeah, the sheriff was saying that that came not just from the investigative evidence that he has seen,
16:34but also from his gut feelings of decades in law enforcement.
16:40He absolutely does not believe this was a burglary.
16:43And sorry for interrupting you, Martha.
16:44Back to you.
16:45Great interview.
16:46John Buehler, do you agree with that?
16:50Yeah, I can't find any fault with that.
16:52Residential burglary is generally carried out by somebody who's looking for property only.
16:57They probably don't have it preplanned enough to have a place to put somebody like Nancy
17:00if they decided to abduct her.
17:03You can't rule it out entirely, but it's on the likelihood, it's kind of like a Powerball ticket.
17:08They don't happen every day.
17:09And so I wouldn't be looking at that.
17:11And I totally agree with the sheriff on that.
17:13Yeah, extraordinary.
17:14And just so excruciating for her family to not be getting anywhere at this point
17:20in terms of what this person's motive might have been
17:22and what happened after they kidnapped Nancy Guthrie.
17:26Where is she now is the big question, obviously.
17:30And they stay at it day after day.
17:31Thank you both so much.
17:32Joining me now is president and founder of Identifiers International Forensic Genealogy,
17:37Dr. Colleen Fitzpatrick.
17:39Dr. Fitzpatrick, you have a lot here that I want to talk to you about.
17:43You have a lot of interesting observations.
17:44But first, I just want to get your reaction to what you just heard from the sheriff of Pima County
17:49and his suspicion that this is a targeted kidnapping.
17:53Well, first of all, I have high confidence that that agency is doing the best they can.
17:58We have to trust them.
18:00We have to trust their experience.
18:02So whatever he believes, I have to go with.
18:07There is not a whole lot that they are releasing for a lot of reasons.
18:11Now, I did have one question I have.
18:16The sheriff has says it's a target of kidnapping.
18:19I'm wondering if it has ever been considered, if it's been considered, if this was a mistake.
18:25This man went to go, say, burglar or kidnap in another house, and he got the wrong house.
18:32Is that a possibility?
18:33Could he have gone in the house and he didn't see anything he recognized he was after something else,
18:39either whatever you can burglar from a house?
18:41Maybe it was papers.
18:43Maybe it was documents relating to some business activity.
18:46I don't know.
18:47He got in the house and he realized he was in the wrong house.
18:49He saw Nancy in the house, an elderly woman, and she knew he was there,
18:56and the only thing he could do was carry her away with him.
18:59Is that a possibility?
19:01Now, that has happened before.
19:03Michael Jordan's father was killed, and they didn't know it was him until after they heard it in the news
19:09later.
19:09You know, two girls, it was 1993, and two guys, you know, stole his car, shot him, and they didn't
19:18know who he was.
19:18So is it possible that this was a mistake?
19:21And really, even though we have to catch the guy, even though we have to figure it out, there's really
19:27no motive.
19:28Okay.
19:28Dr. Fitzpatrick, you gave an interview to our producers a little bit earlier in the day,
19:32and in that interview, there were some fascinating observations that you came away with that I wanted to share with
19:36the audience.
19:37I wanted to hear from you about, one, you suspect that there's two pairs of gloves being worn by this
19:41perpetrator.
19:42You also suggest because of that fact, he would have been unable to use the gun,
19:46and you have some takeaways from that observation.
19:51Well, yeah.
19:52I mean, the gloves, if you look at the fingers, the thickness of the gloves, he may have had two
19:58pairs on there.
19:59And how is he going to fire a gun with gloves of that, you know, thickness?
20:04You know, you need to put your finger on the trigger and pull the trigger.
20:08He can't do that.
20:08I think that the gun was there to threaten somebody, not necessarily to harm somebody,
20:15because that's not how you carry a gun, you know, hanging from your belt into your crotch.
20:20Usually, law enforcement officers have it on their hip, where they can reach.
20:24It's on their strong side, and they can reach.
20:26You don't dangle your gun from your belt, you know, your belly.
20:31So, I think that, you know, it doesn't make sense almost.
20:36He didn't seem to know what he was doing.
20:39He was not prepared to, he didn't realize there was a, what is it, a nest cam there?
20:44He didn't realize he didn't have anything to block it.
20:47A piece of tape would have been easy to block that camera.
20:50He didn't have it, so he pulled some flowers from the garden.
20:54Right.
20:55You point out as well in your interview that while it possibly could have carried a body or a person
21:00some distance,
21:01not long distances, which would have been implicated he has some accomplice somewhere along the way,
21:06possibly on video somewhere in this case.
21:09It's great to talk to you.
21:10Thanks for being with us here today, Dr. Fitzpatrick.
21:12You're welcome.
21:13In time, the sheriff of Pima County, Arizona, says the DNA on that glove found near the home of Nancy
21:19Guthrie
21:19did not match any information in the FBI records.
21:23That's a development.
21:24Chief Correspondent Jonathan Hunt talked with Sheriff Chris Nanos today.
21:29Jonathan's live tonight in Tucson with the latest.
21:31Good evening, Jonathan.
21:34Good evening to you, Brett.
21:35That very little in our wide-ranging interview appeared to be good news for the Guthrie family
21:41or the progress of this investigation, starting with the news the sheriff had been given just
21:47minutes before our interview began about the DNA on the glove that had been considered potentially
21:54key evidence.
21:56The DNA on the glove that was found two miles away was submitted for CODIS,
22:03and I just heard that CODIS had no hits.
22:06No hits on the DNA found in the glove?
22:08Correct.
22:09So you are no closer to a suspect as a result of the DNA test, at least?
22:14As a result of CODIS.
22:18CODIS is the FBI's database, and no match in that would mean whoever took Nancy Guthrie
22:24has never before been arrested for a serious crime that would have led to a DNA sample being taken.
22:30The sheriff also confirmed a dead end so far on DNA found inside Nancy Guthrie's home.
22:38So let me ask you, is there a match on the DNA in the glove to the DNA, the unknown
22:47DNA that
22:48you found in the house?
22:49There's no match to the DNA at the house.
22:51So entirely separate DNA?
22:53Correct.
22:54Okay.
22:54So that would mean, if there's no, is there a CODIS match from the DNA in the house?
22:59No.
23:01The sheriff also refuted suggestions that Nancy Guthrie's abduction might have been the result
23:08of a burglary gone wrong.
23:11I believe it was a kidnapping.
23:12I believe it was a kidnapping.
23:13Targeted kidnapping.
23:14Yes.
23:15I believe whoever did that knew what they were up to.
23:17So do you believe that?
23:18Knew who they were after.
23:22So we asked the sheriff as well, if it was a kidnapping in his view, is there any indication
23:27that Nancy Guthrie may have been taken the 60 miles south of Tucson to the Mexico border?
23:34He said there is at this point no indication of that.
23:37So to sum up our interview, Brett, it might be harsh to say that investigators are back at
23:42square one, but there is clearly frustration in the words of the sheriff that we, quote,
23:49haven't narrowed it down yet to anything.
23:53Brett.
23:53Jonathan Hunt in Tucson.
23:55Jonathan.
23:55We are on day 17 in the search for Nancy Guthrie, but it feels like we're back at square one.
24:00Sheriff Nonno's confirming to Fox's Jonathan Hunt today that the DNA found on the glove does
24:05not match any of the DNA found in the house.
24:08And it appears they're no closer to figuring out who the suspect is.
24:11We haven't narrowed it down to anything other than we have certain pieces of evidence that
24:18we're looking at to try to find this individual, whether it be DNA, whether it be that ring camera
24:24video, whether it be evidence at a Walmart that might lead us to somebody.
24:28Was there anything taken from the home other than Nancy Guthrie?
24:34I cannot say that.
24:35Was there sign of a struggle in the home?
24:37Again, I can't comment to what happened in that home or didn't happen.
24:43Out of uniform.
24:44That's kind of interesting.
24:45Here to respond is Stuart Kaplan, former FBI special agent and Callahan Walsh, co-host of
24:49America's Most Wanted.
24:51Okay, Stuart, what now?
24:53I think people held out hope that a glove, which, I mean, you find gloves everywhere these
24:57days on the side of the road.
24:59But, and why won't the sheriff tell us more about what happened inside the house?
25:07Thank you for having me, Laura.
25:08Let me, let me start this way.
25:09It's what the FBI is not telling us.
25:11I know my agency, I can tell you that they are in a deep dive in forensic analysis.
25:18I think they are very concerned about protecting very sensitive techniques that have been deployed
25:24in this particular case.
25:26I think they are concerned about avoiding, jeopardizing future prosecutions because,
25:33because quite frankly, they don't want those techniques, those sensitive forensic techniques
25:39that have in fact been utilized in this case to be known or published to the public.
25:44I will even go as far as saying, Laura, when I see my agency go dark or go silent, I
25:51do believe
25:51that they have a person or persons of interest.
25:54I think they are sifting through the analysis.
25:57I've said it time and time again.
26:00I think they are concerned about getting the right person right.
26:03I think they're exercising a measured approach.
26:07But let me tell you, the FBI is disciplined.
26:11This is the best FBI on the planet.
26:14They're doing what they're tasked to do.
26:17They're staying on point.
26:18I hope you're right.
26:20Callahan, we're also learning that genetic genealogy,
26:24testing, is now being used in this case.
26:27The FBI told Fox Digital that investigative genetic genealogy is going to,
26:34they hope, identify potential relatives through public genealogy databases
26:39when traditional law enforcement databases like CODIS produce no matches.
26:43So, Callahan, is this like Ancestry or 23andMe, those types of deals?
26:52Yeah, you're exactly right.
26:54Now, without the hit in CODIS, they need to expand their search.
26:57And luckily, we do have access to these databases.
27:00Thousands and thousands of people have put their DNA into these private databases.
27:05But it will take a bit longer.
27:06You know, FBI is able to access CODIS right away.
27:09That's their database.
27:10But it's going to take some time for them to be able to go through these other databases.
27:14And let's hope there's a hit.
27:16Let's hope that they are able to find somebody out there that's related to this individual
27:20that has done their Ancestry report, that their DNA is on file.
27:25Because I think we all put a lot of eggs in that basket,
27:28that that glove would come back with a match.
27:30And unfortunately, it didn't pan out.
27:32Yeah.
27:33Stewart, Sheriff Nanos has been very sensitive to the criticism he's received from early on.
27:38He's going to push back on this in various interviews.
27:40But he's also given evolving answers on whether or not he thinks that this is a targeted kidnapping.
27:49Watch.
27:50Is there any indication so far as to whether this was a random abduction or targeted?
27:55Well, it's like I said earlier, you know, we're looking at all the leads and we don't know.
28:01We're going to assume both sides of that.
28:04Obviously, I misspoke or maybe somebody misheard me.
28:06But I've never believed that she was or was not a target.
28:10I believe it was a kidnapping.
28:12I believe it was a kidnapping.
28:13Targeted kidnapping.
28:14Yes, I believe whoever did that knew what they were up to.
28:17Stewart, he seems pretty clear on this now.
28:20But again, I think the public was very confused.
28:23And maybe that was part of the just normal process.
28:28But if there's just so many unanswered questions, to me, it's a little odd that it's discounted, the burglary, botched
28:37burglary idea.
28:38Do you discount that at this point?
28:41Well, I'll say this, Laura.
28:43I think they obviously have a lot more information.
28:45Obviously, they know what the crime scene looked like.
28:49They know whether or not personal items were taken.
28:51They know a lot more than they're telling.
28:54But what I think is doing a disservice to the men and women who are on the ground is it
28:59undermines the confidence in saying that our law enforcement partners are doing everything that they can possibly do.
29:09And I think, to some extent, the sheriff does a disservice by giving these mumble-jumble or these confusing explanations
29:15or holding back obvious information such as what was taken from the house.
29:20Now, I get, because I've been on the other side, why you don't want to reveal that.
29:23I just think it erodes the confidence.
29:26Yeah.
29:27Callahan, do you agree?
29:32I do.
29:33You know, it's tough because law enforcement has to play that fine line.
29:36They want to have the public have confidence in them.
29:39They want to be able to keep the public up to speed.
29:41But they can't share everything with the public.
29:43And so that makes it a very difficult task for law enforcement.
29:46And hindsight is always 20-20.
29:48We can always say, hey, this should have been done differently.
29:50This should have never happened.
29:52And, you know, investigations are never a seamless operation.
29:58You know, it's just real police work that needs to be done behind the scenes.
30:04You know, you release too much information and you have conspiracy theorists going in in a million different directions.
30:10You'll also get thousands and thousands of erroneous tips as well, too.
30:14And that's a big part of this case now.
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