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00:00So that's Emmanuel Macron talking about artificial intelligence.
00:03He wants to invest a lot, as much as the U.S. and China.
00:08Regulation is key, he says, but it has to be done after.
00:13After investing and development of artificial intelligence.
00:17I mean, this is what the French president wants to do.
00:19We'll see how he does this.
00:21I'm very happy to welcome you guys on the set.
00:24You've been with us all day.
00:26Stacey Binion, Simon Harding, Alexis Lallement.
00:30You've been walking around the Vivitech Hall today, discovering things, telling us about what you saw.
00:36Let's talk about those two words.
00:37Because in my opinion, it's been the key factor of everything.
00:42And what everybody talked about today, artificial intelligence.
00:46What did people tell you about it?
00:48I think the overwhelming feeling about artificial intelligence is just how excited people are about it.
00:52And the world of possibilities that it opens up.
00:55Whether it be from investors, whether it be from regulators.
00:58Everyone believes that there has to be a mutual push together to work on it together.
01:03To get to a certain point where, as we've just heard President Macron say, Europe becomes competitive and can stand
01:09on its own two feet.
01:10But the possibilities that it opens up, whether it be in health tech.
01:14And it's complementary with everything else that we're going to see.
01:17If you take health tech, sports tech, climate tech, whatever it is, it's just endless.
01:21So it's a realm of possibilities that can only get better and better.
01:25The interest is there.
01:26The innovation is there.
01:27I think regulation is almost an afterthought.
01:30People just want to see it happen and crack on with it.
01:33And then we'll see where it goes from there, really.
01:36Emmanuel Macron, who says artificial intelligence is a new industrial revolution.
01:42Is that the feeling you had when you spoke to the people you spoke to today?
01:46Yeah, definitely.
01:47And I think it's super interesting the fact that we're just seeing Macron speaking now.
01:51And he's done.
01:52He's talking French.
01:53Every year he's been at Viva Tech for the past seven years.
01:56He changes it up.
01:57Sometimes it's in English when he really wants to address in the international community.
02:00Sometimes it's in French when he really wants to garner attraction from the local community.
02:05He's done his speech.
02:06He's doing his speech now in French.
02:08So I think it's showing that it's very much a sovereign issue.
02:10So this is a national cause.
02:14And I think across the salon, across the event, we can see that everybody is really talking about it.
02:20Obviously, a lot of the opportunities that most of the startups here are coming with,
02:24they're seeing that the chances that AI can present to them, but also a lot of the risks.
02:29So I am sensing in the alleys of Viva Tech that people are quite hesitant and they're quite wary about
02:35what will happen.
02:36What did you hear about artificial intelligence today?
02:41Well, I heard a lot of things, actually.
02:44It's beginning.
02:45It's so funny because I was here last year in Viva Tech 2022 and we were not hearing that much.
02:50All right.
02:50Last year, we talked about the metaverse.
02:53We were into the metaverse.
02:54That's it.
02:55That was the main topic.
02:56And it almost disappeared.
02:58So where's the metaverse?
02:58But my feeling is artificial intelligence is here to stay and it's going to change the world.
03:04I mean, yeah, I could agree with that.
03:07I think that we still need to be patient about it because, as you said, you know, it's a very
03:15slow process that is going on.
03:16But still, it happened.
03:18You feel it's a slow process?
03:19I mean, it's what people think.
03:20It's because people in Viva Tech usually are very optimistic.
03:23I mean, they're entrepreneurs.
03:25They many times see the positive more than the negative.
03:30Yes.
03:30And the feeling I had when I read, you know, all we read to prepare this is that the only
03:38worry people have about artificial intelligence is that it's going way too fast.
03:43Okay, that's true.
03:44Well, yeah, what I meant is that we need to be maybe a little bit slower about it because, well,
03:50as we mentioned just a little bit before, look at the metaverse.
03:53We were a lot into it.
03:54And then, for example, Facebook changed its name into meta, for example.
03:58So that was a huge sign, I guess.
04:00And right now, it almost disappeared.
04:02So I agree that, okay, maybe AI will be here for the future for like many and many years to
04:09come.
04:10And from what I saw in the alleys of Viva Tech, yes, there is a shift happening, maybe a little
04:17bit too fast, that's for sure, maybe a little bit too quick.
04:19But still, there's a shift happening.
04:21And, for example, I was with IBM and it was with you, basically.
04:25I was doing that live with you.
04:27I was with them.
04:28And the way they use AI, for example, to prevent wildfires, for example, we see that in Canada for now.
04:36And that was one of the questions I asked because, yeah, we see that countries and forests, for example, right
04:41now in Canada are burning.
04:42And they're using that AI with the NASA to kind of prevent or trying to prevent because it's always difficult
04:50to prevent a wildfire, right?
04:52But still, they're using that AI to prevent those wildfires and to help as well rescuing people and the firemen
05:01as well to go into that objective of, you know, extinguish those fires.
05:07So, yeah, maybe it's going too fast.
05:10It depends for the people, I think.
05:12It depends for the companies as well you're working with.
05:15But still, the question of the regulations, I think this is very, very, very important.
05:20And that's the center point in Europe.
05:21And we heard Emmanuel Macron talking about it.
05:23I mean, there's a debate in the world between regulation.
05:26Let's regulate first.
05:27Let's try to put this into some kind of a, I don't know how to say it properly, but some
05:33kind of a norm.
05:35And the investment, people who want to invest and see later.
05:38This is what the president said, the French president said.
05:40He said, let's invest first.
05:41We'll see later how to regulate this.
05:44Is it a real debate?
05:45Is that what you saw today here?
05:47I think there's more a sense of urgency.
05:49And that's why it differs from what Stacey was saying in the sense that people believe that if you don't
05:54do it now, you're going to get overtaken so quickly.
05:56And we've seen it in companies that have come up.
05:59Chat GPT reached, you know, a million users in five days, for example.
06:03So, there's no time to waste.
06:05And speaking to Hanel Bevejo, who's an investor at Creandum, she was saying, you know, if you're not investing, she
06:10said, she actually said, I feel FOMO.
06:12I feel fear of missing out, that if you don't get in there quickly, you're going to be left behind.
06:16And I think that's echoed as well by what President Macron just said, is if we don't get on the
06:21ball, if we don't get the ball rolling, then things might not happen for us.
06:24So, regulation is going to have to come.
06:27But regulation has to come from all sides.
06:29It has to be from the users.
06:30It has to be from the developers.
06:31It has to be from the investors, because it's a life-changing technology that, at the moment, we know very
06:37little of.
06:38And it's evolving every day as we speak.
06:40And that's really the difficulty about it.
06:42You can look at it as the cup being half empty.
06:45And, yes, there's a lot of uncertainty.
06:47But you can also look at it as the cup is being half full.
06:49And if we use it in the right way, then there are limitless possibilities of what could happen.
06:53And it's hard to swim against the tide.
06:55So, it's a question of opportunity versus risks.
06:57Yeah, indeed.
06:59And the timing couldn't be more perfect, because this morning, I'm not sure, you may have been busy at VivaTech,
07:03but we read that the European Parliament moved forward on their AI Act.
07:08They did.
07:09Which is, the timing couldn't be more perfect, which is pretty much shaping up to be the Western world's first
07:16movement towards regulating AI.
07:20And I think, as Macron is saying, the key is just to find that balancing act between pushing innovation and
07:25promoting it, but also keeping our sovereignty and our community safe as well.
07:30Let's switch gears for some inspiration coming out of South Korea.
07:34Earlier on Stage 1 today, we heard from Fleur Pellerin, founding partner at Corellia Capital.
07:40She talked about cultural policy created by the South Korean government around the television series, like Squid Game or the
07:46K-pop music scene, obviously.
07:48And now it has made the South Korean economy and business sector extremely attractive to investors.
07:54Listen.
07:55No one knew anything about Korea 20, 30 years ago.
07:59And now look what happened.
08:00You open Netflix, and you have a whole section with Korean content.
08:03It's amazing.
08:04I think this success over the years, and with different governments still continuing this policy, which is called HALU, so
08:11the Korean wave.
08:12So, you know, bringing the contents abroad and making your lifestyle and your country desirable.
08:18This is very powerful because it creates power.
08:22It's smart power.
08:23It's not just soft power.
08:25It's smart power because it's power of grain.
08:27So, I think having this policy must have a very positive outcome, you know, for all the rest of the
08:33economy.
08:34Not only tourism, not only cosmetics, but also for companies like Sophie's because it creates an interest.
08:40Oh, you're from Korea, and people are interested now in learning more about the country.
08:45So, this was one of the smartest examples of public-private policy carried out for a long period of time
08:51that has amazing effects on the whole economy of the country.
08:57South Korea, à l'honneur, as we say in French here in VivoTech this year.
09:02I mean, this is one of the amazing things here.
09:04The fact that it's an open window to the world.
09:08I mean, we discover things, not only things we know from Europe or the United States or countries we tend
09:15to look at for innovation,
09:16but from all around the world.
09:18What did you see today that struck you in that sense?
09:21I've seen countries that have managed to come through incredible moments of adversity and difficulty, for example,
09:26and still be able to lead creativity and innovation in many ways.
09:30So, I stopped by the Ukrainian stand today to look at what they were offering.
09:33And there was a company called QD, who's developing the most innovative and integral mask on the market.
09:42It's a mask that responds to your movements, to your emotions, for example.
09:45It's very cool, and it's all catered to creating content further down the line, whether it be for video games,
09:51whether it be for cartoons, music videos.
09:54They're actually going through a second round of funding at the moment.
09:57But I think there's 35 country pavilions here present at VivoTech 2023.
10:00So, it is incredible how they're exporting this talent and how it's coming to Europe and how Europe is trying
10:06to cut those bridges with the rest of the world.
10:08Absolutely.
10:08Stacey had me eat some alga and algaes, I'm sorry, algaes and ginger earlier today.
10:16What did you see in terms of innovation?
10:19We did.
10:20So, we tried some seaweed that's replaced in plastic.
10:23And we had a bit of fun on set earlier today.
10:27I think what I'm seeing the most that's really inspiring me is that no matter what country, everybody is creating
10:34impact and green and tech for change innovations.
10:37So, we've seen plastic solutions or non-plastic plastic packaging solutions like seaweed.
10:42We're seeing innovations that are harvesting wind out in the deep ocean.
10:48We're seeing solar panels, next generation solar panels.
10:52And I think across the board, there's so many more impact innovations.
10:56And VivoTech has an entire impact mile, which is, we're calling it the Champs Elysees of impact innovations.
11:02And I think that's really been great to see this new change on all things green.
11:06Regardless, you know, whichever country is pushing for these innovations, a lot of them have this green, green aspect to
11:11them.
11:12Alexei, what have you seen?
11:14Well, many things.
11:15Yeah.
11:16Many things, of course.
11:16Something that stood out.
11:19Well, I was mentioning IBM before.
11:21So, that's probably the biggest thing I realized is that, yeah, AI is helpful in that way.
11:28But also, I was with Sanofi this morning.
11:31Sanofi, so shall I remind the…
11:32Pharmaceutical company, obviously.
11:34Yeah, obviously.
11:36So, they were telling me that they are also using AI in that order to make some tests on medications.
11:44So, we know that, you know, when we create, well, when they create a medication, there are multiple steps in
11:54order to make that medication be sold to people.
11:58And they're using that AI to kind of anticipate what could be, for example, the side effects of a medication.
12:07And I thought that was very interesting because, well, we saw that we had, I think, a pandemic a couple
12:14of years ago, already three years ago, actually.
12:18And we saw how fast they were able, well, Sanofi and others as well, especially Pfizer, for example.
12:26But how fast they were able to create a vaccine.
12:28So, that was a very specific time.
12:31But I think that most of the time and in the days and years ahead, they're going to be able
12:37to use that kind of new technologies as well to fasten, to make it faster, sorry, to commercialize those medications.
12:47And we know that they're creating some medications already to kind of vaccines for cancers, for example.
12:53We've heard about that.
12:54We don't know, we don't really know when it's going to come, but maybe that's going to be a huge,
12:59huge evolution for, well, for us, human beings.
13:03And it could be coming faster than we think because of artificial intelligence.
13:09I'm listening to the three of you here, and I'm realizing that every year, VivaTech is a perfect reflection of
13:16what society is.
13:18And this year, we're talking a lot about, you know, environment, green stuff, which we did a little last year,
13:25but maybe not as much.
13:27It seemed that the world here is going in the right direction.
13:31I mean, we were talking to someone earlier here on the set today telling us that huge banks like Goldman
13:35Sachs and others, BNP Paribas for the French one, were investing in fields that were good for climate.
13:43I mean, you know, who would have thought, really?
13:45Is that what you saw?
13:48Absolutely.
13:48And I think what's amazing, and which actually touches on what you just said, Tomá, is that this is one
13:52of the only places where you see the world coming together and cooperating on such an important issue.
13:57Everyone puts their issues aside to cooperate on this.
14:00And I was speaking to Laban Koblenz, who's the head of communications for ETA, which is the biggest nuclear fusion
14:05reactor in Europe.
14:07It's a project with 35 countries, Japan, Russia, the United States, and everyone works together toward a common goal.
14:14And I think particularly on climate and climate tech being such a massive part of VivaTech 2023, Antonio Gutierrez, the
14:21head of the UN, said, look, we're running out of time.
14:24You know, the last seven years have been the hottest on planet.
14:26I think he literally said the planet is on fire.
14:29And if we don't find solutions to this now and come together to find solutions, whether it be clean hydrogen,
14:34whether it be a renewable energy, as Stacey was saying before, or nuclear fusion, new energies, then, you know, we
14:40are going to run out of time.
14:41So it's incredible to see this cooperation here and how people are willing and actively working together to reach a
14:48common goal.
14:49Jacques Chirac said that about 20 years ago, you know, our house on fire and we're looking away.
14:53Maybe, maybe now we're not looking in a way anymore.
14:55We're trying to solve the problem and put some water on the fire so it doesn't spread even more.
15:01Last word, perhaps, on what you guys expect in the next two days.
15:05Of course, there's a huge, huge rendezvous with Elon Musk on Friday.
15:10Oh, yeah.
15:11Yes, he will be talking here and everybody wants to, you know, have a listen and see what he's going
15:16to say because he has such big influence.
15:18But what are you looking for in the next few days?
15:22So there's, I'm looking after all things innovation.
15:25So there's about 300 of them for me to go and check out.
15:27So I've probably only done a few today.
15:29So I've got a lot to get done in the next couple of days.
15:31We've also got the LVMH Innovation Award tomorrow, which is the annual prize of LVMH that selects the best startup
15:38that they will accompany and guide for the next year.
15:40And so that's always a really exciting startup that comes out of this award program.
15:44There's the next European Unicorn Award as well, which selects the most promising startup appointed by Viva Tech.
15:50So there's lots of awards to go and check out tomorrow.
15:54And I think the startups that come out of these awards, they're usually ones to watch for the next year
15:58or so.
15:58Alexi.
16:00I guess that I want to focus maybe a little bit more on sports.
16:05I don't know if it's been like this all day long, but...
16:08Simon was there earlier.
16:09Yeah, I know.
16:10I know, I know.
16:11And I'm going to join you very quickly.
16:13No, yeah.
16:14The thing is that, yeah, we have the Olympics coming very quickly.
16:18The World Cup of Rugby as well coming very quickly in a few months right now.
16:23And what I want to know and what I'm going to do in the days ahead is that's for sure.
16:28And for a little teaser for tomorrow morning, I'll be joining members of the ACO, which is Automobile Club de
16:36l'Ouest.
16:37They are the organizers of 24 Hours of Le Mans.
16:40They are displaying a car, a race car that is actually powered with hydrogen.
16:48The goal is at some point in those races, which is so that could be 24 Hours of Le Mans,
16:55but that could be as well Formula One at some point, for example.
16:58They want to make it more present that's hydrogen powered cars racing because they're always saying, yeah, it's kind of
17:08the we're always saying if you talk about sports and car like, I'm sorry about that, racing car sports.
17:19They're like ecologists are going to defend and say, well, you know, it makes so much pollution and you shouldn't
17:27have those kind of sports today in 2023.
17:29Well, they are trying to make it a difference and to be able to have still those sports.
17:35Some are passionate.
17:37I am about those sports.
17:39So that's why I want to.
17:40Yeah.
17:41So that's why I want to do it.
17:43And that's going to be it for tomorrow.
17:45Talking of which, we are going to bring you a little surprise, a major announcement in mobility.
17:51Have a look.
18:01If you come closer, yes, to the car, just stand by.
18:08The door opens.
18:09And that's the first cool innovation.
18:11You don't have to have any kind of key smart cars or smartphone.
18:15The cars, the car knows who you are and can recognize you.
18:21Very simple, very easy.
18:23Definitely, it's a car, but it's also a digital safe or a digital wallet.
18:27It will store, I would say, your personal data, as you said, but also some car data, which can be
18:33very safety critical as well.
18:35So this data needs really to be highly secure, of course.
18:39It's for data privacy matters, but also for data security matters.
18:45And hence, several partners of the Software Republic, and in particular Thales, have brought some, I would say, highly secured
18:53cybersecurity features to make this car safe and secure.
18:58What we have concretely done within the frame of Software Republic, and that's really the power of pre-grouping, and
19:06I would say most leaders in high tech.
19:10It's clearly what we have called, and Philip mentioned it before, a detect and response probe.
19:16It's a probe within the car that analyzes in real time data generated typically by the car, and that would
19:24detect, I would say, suspicious pattern, if any, of, I would say, data generation.
19:31And, of course, then the appropriate decision would be taken by the car, and it's also, I would say, the
19:39added value, or, I would say, the core business of Renault, to know what the car should be in case
19:44of, I would say, this kind of suspicious pattern would be detected.
19:50It's another cool innovation that we have introduced in this car.
19:53It's, I would say, 100% of the time, connected car.
19:59Of course, if you travel in a big city or on the motorway, the car is already connected, or you
20:08are connected through your smartphone.
20:10But it may happen that you drive in isolated or remote places where there is no, I would say, terrestrial
20:18connection.
20:19Hence, we have added a satellite communication link, so the car will be connected anywhere, everywhere, all the time.
20:27And this is key for, I would say, safety features.
20:31If it happens that you have an accident, it may happen from time to time, even with this beautiful car,
20:38then the car will be able to send an emergency signal to emergency services.
20:44A bit like the Apple Watch in the U.S. that brings this kind of, I would say, safety feature.
20:50This car can be seen as dissimilar or the equivalent of what Apple is doing in the U.S. in
20:56terms of safety.
20:58So it's the car of the future that has been unveiled this morning here at Vivotech.
21:03It's called H-First Vision.
21:05It's by the Software Republic with Thales and with Renault, basically.
21:10It's an intelligent car, being able to drive by itself, to do anything a driver does today with more security,
21:18more efficiency.
21:20And that's back to the basics of Vivotech as well, going back to those things that we saw a few
21:27years ago, the drones, the helicopters, the flying taxis.
21:32So we still have that here in Vivotech this year.
21:36I mean, it's part of what we can see here.
21:38What do you think about that?
21:41Well, I love it.
21:42I mean, it looks good.
21:44It looks good.
21:45I feel like it's combining different technologies that we can find.
21:49For example, talking about security, for example.
21:51More than 20 innovation.
21:53That's what was announced for that car.
21:55Okay.
21:56And so, for example, they were saying that basically you can find the car.
22:01It's geolocalized 24 hours a day.
22:05And you can find it pretty much everywhere you want to be.
22:08And I think that's technology that has been implanted recently into iPhones, for example, from Apple, that you can give
22:16a satellite call.
22:18And you can, if you don't have any cellular network, then you can call and make an emergency call through
22:25a satellite.
22:26And you'll be found wherever you are.
22:28So for me, for example, I've lived in Canada in the middle of nowhere.
22:31And I can tell you that would be useful if I have an accident.
22:34So either this car can't be stolen or everybody knows where you are all the time.
22:38I mean, that's depending on how you see things.
22:41Let's see the good points.
22:43What do you think about this innovation?
22:45I think it's very interesting.
22:46It'd be great to have one.
22:48I'd love to drive one.
22:48It means I could, you know, maybe fall asleep if I'm driving on a long trip.
22:52You don't need to drive anymore.
22:53I mean, that's the point.
22:54That's what I'm saying.
22:54Do we talk about driving anymore?
22:55I don't know.
22:56It's not even driving anymore.
22:58Talking about regulation problems now, you know.
23:01Have those cars on the road.
23:03It's another question in itself.
23:04But you could say it returns to the debate we were having about AI before.
23:08Unless you put it out there and you test it and you see how it goes at a large enough
23:13scale,
23:13you're never going to know whether or not it's viable.
23:16It's certainly a very interesting point.
23:18And it's great to see that with such a big focus on AI this year, which is almost what
23:23I would call the intangibles, we still have robots, cars, chips.
23:27There's all the very physical, tangible creativity and innovation that is still there, which is
23:32the roots of VivaTech.
23:34And perhaps it's me being romantic, but it's always great to see that as well.
23:37Stacey.
23:39Well, Simon, you just mentioned the roots of VivaTech.
23:41And I feel like back one of the first editions in 2016, we were thinking that electric autonomous
23:48vehicles would be the norm by 10 years' time.
23:51That's in a few years' time.
23:52So I'm not sure if we're quite there yet.
23:54But it is great to see more and more interventions still coming out.
23:58I just think we need to fine-tune the process and ensure that regulation, as you said, Thomas,
24:05is at the norm, because otherwise, I just, yeah, I'm concerned that we've been talking
24:11about this for a few years, that they're going to become the norm.
24:13And I still can't see many autonomous vehicles on the roads just yet.
24:16Well, we'll see what happens in the next few weeks, months, years.
24:20Thank you to the three of you for being here with me tonight.
24:24We'll see you all tomorrow, of course, for day two at VivaTech.
24:28This is VT News Live, 1826.
24:30I'll see you tomorrow from three o'clock.
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