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00:00Hello and welcome along to episode 7 of the Traitors Uncloaked, the visualized companion podcast with me, Ed Gamble.
00:07This is your obligatory spoiler alert. If you haven't seen that action-packed 7th episode yet, get it watched.
00:13Then come back and enjoy the chat fest we have ready for you.
00:15Coming up on Uncloaked, she's here, one of the most entertaining faithful ever, Harriet will be answering all our questions
00:22about that incredible hour of TV.
00:24We have the exclusive moment Harriet found out the identity of our traitors.
00:29Plus, celebrity faithful Clare Balding and series 1 OG Maddie give us all their reactions to the latest Castle action.
00:40Welcome, welcome to both of you. Maddie, welcome back to Uncloaked.
00:43Thanks.
00:44Clare, welcome to Uncloaked for the first time.
00:46Thank you very much.
00:47And we know why you're both here. It's not to meet me, it's to meet the amazing Harriet.
00:51Oh my God, so excited about meeting her.
00:53Are you enjoying the series so far?
00:55Love it. Oh my gosh.
00:56It's amazing.
00:56Love the twists. Love the strong knitwear game.
01:00There's a lot of good knitwear flying around.
01:03There's a lot of good knitwear.
01:03Yeah. Tom Daly will be livid.
01:05Oh my God, can you imagine?
01:08We need to discuss the traitors' decision in the turret at the end. We're going to start at the end.
01:12They've decided to murder instead of recruiting.
01:15I think that's so dangerous. So dangerous.
01:17Even though they've narrowed it down to three players, and we know as a viewer two of them have a
01:21shield, it's 33.3% chance that they'll get it right.
01:25We said this, didn't we? Yeah. What is it? Yeah. It's 66 to 1. It's 66 to 1, getting it
01:31right.
01:31Because two of them, she knows horse stuff.
01:34Apparently I do. Apparently I do.
01:37No, no, you know what I mean, like the probabilities.
01:40Anyway, it struck me as a big risk, like there's way more chance of getting it wrong, obviously, than getting
01:46it right.
01:47And if they had recruited, they could have said they'd murdered, but then Rachel or Stephen, who both have shields,
01:53could reveal their shield and go, they tried to murder me.
01:56Yes.
01:57And that, I would have thought, would have been the clever play.
01:59Do we think their choice to murder is the start of their plan to recruit Matthew? Because this is, so
02:05far, if they try and murder Jesse, that's what he asked them to do in the confessional.
02:10Do we have a deal?
02:11So they seem to be thinking, let's try and stick to what he asked so he still trusts us, and
02:15then we'll recruit him.
02:16Yeah, that's interesting.
02:16I think so. That would be a good idea.
02:18Yeah.
02:18Yeah.
02:19But Stephen is not going to murder Jesse, because Jesse is the one thing he's got that proves he's faithful.
02:25And Jesse's so believable. Remember, she was in the room, and now they've got Fiona.
02:29You're right. With the library theory.
02:31Exactly. Exactly. In the library.
02:33She needs to stay in the game.
02:34Yeah. I think, so I don't think they murder Jesse.
02:37Well, they can't anyway, because of the shield.
02:40But you think they won't even try and murder Jesse. It's potentially between Adam and James.
02:45There was the amazing scene where Harriet called out the traitors in the confessional.
02:49Let's remind ourselves of that moment and your reaction as you watched.
02:53I think we all know that the gig is up for Rachel.
02:57Oh, my God.
03:00I am as certain as I possibly can be that Rachel is in that confessional.
03:07Rachel, you're right?
03:10I think tomorrow that it will be very interesting to see who acts in Rachel's defense, as I will have
03:19no compunction in going after her.
03:22And you know what? You can't murder me tonight.
03:26I think my heart stopped for a bit.
03:28Yeah, same.
03:29Because it's the setting as well, isn't it?
03:31And it being, you know, if I were Rachel, I think I'd have yelped like a puppy.
03:35Yeah.
03:37I know you're in there.
03:38What I liked is she did admit she was terrified.
03:41And you could see it.
03:42I was scared for her.
03:43I was scared.
03:44Because she was not expecting this at all.
03:45She had no idea that Harriet had any suspicion on her.
03:48No.
03:49But there's something about it being in a church when Harriet was coming for her as well.
03:54It makes it even more like, oh my God.
03:57Yeah.
03:57Good scarf, though, from Harriet, wasn't it?
03:59Great scarf.
03:59Writer.
04:00Yeah.
04:00I don't think we focus on the same things when we're watching the show.
04:03Oh, no.
04:04Maddie, do you think Rachel's going to crack under the pressure now?
04:07Well, with her FBI training, I think, hopefully not, you know, because that stanza in good stead.
04:13Yeah.
04:14But, yeah, she does go red a bit, doesn't she?
04:17And so maybe she's feeling the pressure of the church, you know what I mean?
04:22I think she's really solid, though.
04:24I mean, I think genuinely, Harriet's the one that's scared her the most.
04:27So if Harriet hadn't gone at the round table, they would have murdered Harriet, because they would have had to.
04:33Rachel would have had to.
04:34And that would have put her under the spotlight way more than what actually happened.
04:38No, I agree with that.
04:38Way more.
04:39Yeah, totally.
04:39And I think Rachel kind of looked a bit scared during that confessional thing,
04:43which is one of the most terrifying confrontations we've ever seen on the show.
04:46Oh, yes, I agree.
04:47So the fact that she didn't completely crumble there was...
04:49And at breakfast, you know, you're sat down at breakfast,
04:52because Harriet's coming in and throwing accusations straight away.
04:54She held it together.
04:55She was so lucky.
04:56She got into breakfast first, then.
04:57Yeah.
04:57And then also, you've got time to settle yourself, and it's, you know,
05:00you've got time to have a coffee.
05:02She's really had...
05:02She's thought about it, hasn't she?
05:04A little bit cross on it.
05:05And chamomile tea.
05:06Chamomile tea.
05:06Well, that calmed...
05:07Calmed Harriet.
05:08Well, that's a good look, though, isn't it?
05:10You'd be like, well, someone's having chamomile tea.
05:12They must be stressed about something.
05:13They could be a traitor.
05:14Oh, good point.
05:15Yeah.
05:15Yeah.
05:16We do need to touch on all the shield drama in this episode.
05:20A lot of shields.
05:20A lot of shields knocking around.
05:23Seven?
05:23Yeah.
05:24Well, yeah, they were so shocked to see that seven players had taken shields,
05:27wiping £7,000 off of the prize money.
05:30Now, obviously, both of you died in the wool faithful.
05:33Yes.
05:34Of course.
05:34I got a shield, though, once.
05:36Yeah, me too.
05:37And I really went for it.
05:38Isn't it a great feeling?
05:39Terrific feeling.
05:40Yeah, but it's a great feeling, but you got it legitimately in full view of everyone.
05:44Yeah, work and then just pop luck.
05:45Would you have secretly taken a shield from underneath the statue?
05:49I think so.
05:50You would have done?
05:50Yeah.
05:51And then I think it's better when you keep it quiet and just try and be like...
05:55See, I wouldn't.
05:56You wouldn't?
05:57No.
05:58Terrible at that.
05:59Actually, just a terrible, terrible liar.
06:02You're not a terrible...
06:03Well, I don't know.
06:05No, no, no.
06:08No, I think at that point, I think at that point...
06:10You know, you're going to say birds and souls that you're not a terrible person.
06:14You are a terrible liar.
06:16Don't lie to me.
06:19Now, obviously, with the mission...
06:20Yes.
06:21...with the shields...
06:22Yes.
06:22...Sam's aim was for the group to just take one.
06:25That was the agreement.
06:25They're taking one shield and to not tell the others that it's Jessie who had the shield.
06:30Do we rate that gameplay?
06:31Yeah, I don't know what got into James' head, apart from feeling...
06:35But you let your rest of your camp down then.
06:38And I just think, if you're going to be a team player, be a team player.
06:41Yeah, I think he got carried away.
06:43I think Adam's really disappointed in him, because Adam is.
06:46Right, we have so much to discuss with our latest banished player.
06:50Harriet is about to join us here on Uncloaked, but first, here's the exclusive moment she
06:54found out who the traitors are immediately after leaving the castle.
07:02It was a banishment that was needed in order to establish the truth of my faithful status.
07:10And also, I think, to be fair, I had had quite a big exit.
07:15It was perhaps time not to be the last at the party.
07:19I think that it was probably my moment to depart, and I did it on my own terms.
07:25I don't think many can say that with this game.
07:28My number one thoughts on traitors, on who the traitors are, are Rachel, maybe Roxy,
07:37and then, for the most glorious plot twist of all, James and Jessie with Sam.
07:45But, you know what? It could be anyone.
07:49I can't wait to see if my suspicions are correct.
07:54Oh, my goodness me. Oh, my goodness me. Here we go.
07:59Deep breath.
08:05Stephen! Oh, Stephen!
08:08A good Lewis boy there.
08:11I like that. Representing for the Western Isles.
08:14That is tremendous.
08:16But, oh, he has done a brilliant job.
08:20Good for him.
08:21I mean, you know, in the worst possible way, but good for him.
08:24And the next one is...
08:27Ha-ha!
08:29Ha-ha-ha-ha!
08:33It's Rachel.
08:35It's Rachel.
08:37Oh!
08:38Ha-ha-ha-ha!
08:41Sorry, forgive me.
08:43It's just really nice to be right.
08:45And what is lovely about this is that now I can really cheer on Team Faithful,
08:54and I just really hope that if they end up up against Rachel,
08:59I think that I've done enough
09:01to ruin Rachel's credibility at the end.
09:07And Harriet's with us now!
09:11Welcome, Harriet.
09:12Welcome to Uncloaked.
09:13Thank you for having me.
09:14We loved watching you find out who the traitors are there.
09:17Obviously delighted to be confirmed that Rachel's a traitor.
09:21Yeah, that was a frightening moment.
09:24I mean, I'd put so much on it.
09:25You've seen how I was at Roundtable.
09:28You've seen how I was at breakfast.
09:30If her name had not been there,
09:33it would have been, I think, the biggest humiliation of my life.
09:36And so it was just such a relief.
09:39And it doesn't make, you know, all the other mistakes
09:41just fade into complete insignificance.
09:43That, you know, yeah, just nailing that.
09:46You know, however much it didn't do me any good,
09:50I was right.
09:52You know, I was right.
09:53And that is a vindication I'll take to my grave.
09:55It's really interesting speaking to you now
09:57that you had any worry that Rachel wasn't a traitor.
10:00Because from our perspective, you were so sure, 100% sure,
10:05you were going into that confessional going,
10:07Rachel's behind there.
10:09Imagine what it would look like if it was like,
10:11if it was James stood behind there.
10:13The thing is that, you know, you work yourself up to do something
10:17and I'd like really sort of screwed my courage up to go in there.
10:21And so I had to believe that it's, this is it, this is it,
10:24this is it.
10:25And then afterwards, it completely collapsed.
10:28I came out of that and was just a complete crumbling wreck
10:31of what if I've got that completely wrong?
10:34I've put my entire house on this horse.
10:36And what if that horse is a donkey?
10:38Why did you decide not to keep Rachel close?
10:41Because if she had no idea,
10:42you could have got all the way to the end of her.
10:44Well, I think this is what we definitely wanted to ask
10:45from episode six, where you're saying things like,
10:49I want to keep my enemies closer.
10:51And you keep your cars close to your chest.
10:53Within the space of maybe 12 hours, you're then going,
10:55it's you, Rachel.
10:56I know it's you.
10:57You're in there.
11:00If I hadn't, if smoke and mirrors hadn't come up as a challenge,
11:03if I hadn't won it, if I hadn't smashed the mirror
11:06that had the smoke, I think I would have kept going.
11:09I will say it was actually quite a strain being friendly
11:13with someone I was so sure was a traitor.
11:17Because at some point, I knew that I would have to vote
11:20for somebody, you know, if I sort of kept on going,
11:23I would need then to start voting for people
11:25that I didn't believe were traitors in order to stay in with her.
11:29And that was a level of duplicity I didn't feel comfortable with.
11:33And I basically painted myself into a corner.
11:36And so I decided to set fire to it.
11:39It was really...
11:41No, fair play. Burn the book.
11:43It was not yours.
11:48All of them, all of them.
11:50There's only one author there.
11:51You know when Rachel, they wrote on the thing
11:54and they were like, no, take her.
11:57That should be your line of your next novel.
11:59Oh, that's a good one, yes.
12:01We were chatting and we were like, what a great line.
12:03It was so clever.
12:03They were so clever with that.
12:05Because I did then spend the rest of the time going,
12:08what do I do now?
12:09Do I...
12:09Oh, God.
12:11Yeah, it was a proper...
12:13Yeah, that was a good answer.
12:14The mind games on this was quite phenomenal.
12:17They were very, very smart in how they carried it out.
12:22No, they said.
12:23Take her.
12:24Take her.
12:24Take her.
12:25Harriet, what was it like to finally see Rachel's reaction
12:28to the exchange in the confessional booth?
12:30See what was going on behind that wall?
12:32That was a good moment.
12:33Yeah.
12:33That was very cathartic.
12:35And we've not seen her shaken in this game, really.
12:38Oh, she's been brilliant.
12:39Even with the Fiona stuff.
12:41She honestly blinded her.
12:43No one else had an idea.
12:45She is cool as a cucumber.
12:47So, yeah, there is a certain petty vindication
12:50in seeing her suffer just for that split second.
12:53She was terrified.
12:54I was terrified watching it.
12:55I thought I was terrified.
12:56Stephen's reactions are incredible to everything.
12:59Oh, yeah.
12:59He was like, oh, my God.
13:01Because you could see how much...
13:02He was enjoying it like he was watching the television show.
13:04Yeah.
13:05He was so excited.
13:06His eyes are so expressive, aren't they?
13:08They go so big.
13:10And it was also relief that you weren't going after him as well.
13:13He was like, oh, I'm glad that's not me.
13:16Because actually, in your long list of suspected traitors,
13:18Stephen wasn't on it.
13:19No, he didn't come up.
13:20But you know there's that thing.
13:21When you do the speed awareness courts
13:23and they show you the psychological thing,
13:25they tell you to watch a basketball play in play
13:28and you watch the basketball being thrown around the court
13:31and you're focused on that.
13:32So, you miss the man in the gorilla suit
13:34who runs from one side of the court to the other.
13:36And I was so hyper-focused on Rachel.
13:40And Stephen, I think, had been really smart.
13:41We barely interacted.
13:42Other than that brilliant mission where we do the pictures,
13:46we had had nothing to do with each other.
13:48And so, you know, Jesse is obviously completely onto him.
13:51I was completely onto Rachel.
13:53You know, I'm just sad that we didn't join forces
13:55and work together because I think we would have been,
13:57you know, phenomenal.
13:58Rachel's the basketball and Stephen's the gorilla.
14:00Yes.
14:01Yes, okay.
14:02Harriet, now that you've seen how Matthew played his moment
14:05in the confessional with the traitors.
14:07Yes.
14:07How do you rate his game?
14:09Because it's the complete opposite of yours.
14:11I mean, it's highly intelligent and massively sneaky.
14:15And it actually has been, because I was afterwards,
14:20you know, his name wasn't on the list of traitors.
14:22So, I was a bit like, how could I have suspected that lovely boy?
14:25Now that I've seen this, it's like, well, obviously,
14:28he was wanting to be, you know, he was a wannabe traitor.
14:31He was, you know, the traitor in waiting.
14:33It was quite remarkable to watch.
14:35And it was the comparison between you two and how you treated it.
14:40I've got a great deal of integrity.
14:41You were just like punk.
14:43You were just like, I know who you are.
14:45I'm coming after you.
14:46And Matthew went, oh, please.
14:49I want to be one.
14:51He's been quite quiet up until this point, though, hasn't he?
14:54So, were you surprised to see him make that move?
14:56I think, given that we had voted him the fairest
15:00in terms of, you know, the nicest game player,
15:04everyone trusted him.
15:06Is there someone in there who's overestimated,
15:08whose voice is carrying more votes than just them?
15:10Do you know what I mean?
15:11There's always someone, and you know it from, you know,
15:14juries do it all the time.
15:16They're like that all the time.
15:17One juror can carry with them four or five.
15:20I think Rachel, Rachel, she has been,
15:23if I hadn't been bounced by smoke and mirrors,
15:26I was hoping I'd have the opportunity to gather some more evidence.
15:30But she has been so beneath the radar.
15:34Everybody loves her.
15:35And she's done so.
15:36That's the thing, watching it now,
15:38the thing I can't believe no one else really picked up on
15:40is that every day she's been there as Little Miss Sunshine
15:43in her dungarees, her yellow tops, you know,
15:46looking like a primary school tip.
15:48And brilliant, you know.
15:48Clever.
15:49But then that last day, you know,
15:51that she's there, as I said, dressed to kill.
15:54Dressed to kill, yeah.
15:54In this sleek burgundy, looking a million dollars.
15:57And, you know, nobody's picked up on this switch
16:00that she's gone from, you know,
16:03some sort of kindergarten to...
16:05Now hiding in plain sight, which is more effective.
16:08Claire, who do you think had the better strategy?
16:10There was Harriet's play to take on the traitors, of course,
16:13or was it Matty's play to keep them on side?
16:16It depends if you're trying to win the game
16:17or you're trying to win life.
16:19For me, Harriet wins in life
16:21because the integrity is important
16:22and she was bold and strong.
16:25And I love that.
16:26In the context of the game,
16:28Matty is playing a blinder and it's more effective.
16:31No, no, I was completely without strategy by that point.
16:34The idea of winning the game had gone out the window.
16:37Matty, if you'd have that opportunity in your series
16:39to speak to the traitors in the confessional,
16:42what would you have said?
16:43Apart from hello, Wilf.
16:44Hi, Wilf.
16:46Oh, I would have.
16:48I'd love to have seen that.
16:49It's you, Wilf.
16:50I did think, I think I'd be like,
16:54what's your name?
16:55You know what I mean?
16:56Yeah.
16:56Do you think that would have worked?
16:57No.
16:58I mean, it's a lovely thought,
17:00but they'd just have said, you know,
17:02whoever the opposite was.
17:03I think you did brilliant.
17:04Like, I think the passion and everything,
17:07I probably would have done the same
17:09and been like, Wilf, come out.
17:11Harriet, you offered Roxy the opportunity
17:14to take your conversation with the traitors.
17:17Why did you do that?
17:18Because if I went into that chapel,
17:20then I was going to have to do a confrontation with Rachel
17:23because I couldn't see any other way to play it
17:25and I couldn't think of any other questions.
17:27Roxy's point about saying,
17:29why would you offer that to me?
17:30You must be a traitor.
17:31It does not make any sense to me.
17:33No, it makes no sense at all.
17:33Because a traitor would want that opportunity
17:35more than a faithful.
17:37No, I think, though,
17:38the difficulty is for all of us
17:40that, you know,
17:40by the time that you're halfway through,
17:42and you know this,
17:43if anyone says anything remotely anomalous,
17:46it's leapt on
17:47and you're like,
17:48all right, that must mean.
17:49And so I think it didn't make sense to Roxy
17:53because she didn't have time
17:54to sit down and think about it.
17:56And, you know,
17:57with any of us,
17:58you get bounced with something weird.
18:00You're just like,
18:00oh, that's weird.
18:01You must be guilty.
18:02Rather than,
18:03oh, there's a logical explanation for this.
18:05Let's stop and think about it.
18:06Let's talk about the breakfast
18:08the next morning.
18:09You came into breakfast fired up.
18:11Yes.
18:12What made you decide
18:13to go on the offensive that morning?
18:15I didn't want to give them the opportunity
18:18to spin anything against me in advance.
18:21I mean, I knew what I'd said
18:24in the confessional
18:25and I was at that point
18:27believing that there'd been,
18:28you know,
18:29five people crammed in that chapel.
18:31And so everyone was against me.
18:34I just had to get my cards out on the table
18:37as far as I was concerned
18:38and not let anybody,
18:41you know,
18:42people could then make of it
18:43what they would,
18:44but at least I would know
18:45that I had controlled my own narrative
18:48as much as was humanly possible.
18:50There was no strategy by this point.
18:52You know,
18:52it was kamikaze.
18:54It was as simple as that.
18:55I'd say that rational thought
18:58had sort of departed the building.
18:59I'm very glad you used the phrase
19:01cat amongst the pigeons though
19:03because in the previous episode
19:04Stephen had said
19:05cat amongst the chickens.
19:06Which I love.
19:06I love that.
19:07But it was good to have a correction of that.
19:10That did make me laugh.
19:11That did make me laugh.
19:15Why did you decide to reveal
19:16your identity as a former barrister
19:19at breakfast to everyone
19:21rather than just the traitors
19:22Again, I didn't want them
19:23having something that they knew
19:24and everyone else didn't.
19:26It wasn't,
19:28I think,
19:29I mean,
19:30I probably shouldn't have said it
19:31in the chapel the night before.
19:32I should have held that to myself.
19:33But I mean,
19:34again,
19:34I just sort of slightly lost it.
19:37And I had had enough
19:39of playing nice,
19:40like a,
19:41you know,
19:41a nice lady in a scarf.
19:43But the,
19:44the first question really
19:46I had afterwards
19:47was was Rachel all right?
19:48Because within the game,
19:50I'm delighted
19:51on a human level,
19:53you know,
19:54of course I wasn't wanting
19:55her to feel bad
19:56and I didn't want me
19:56to feel bad.
19:57And there's all of the WhatsApp
19:59and everybody is
20:01incredibly supportive
20:02of each other.
20:03I mean,
20:03there's an aspect of,
20:04you know,
20:04you remember the time
20:05I tried to destroy you?
20:08Oh yeah,
20:09that was you.
20:10Yeah,
20:10don't worry about that.
20:11I mean,
20:12I know I said then
20:13I was hoping for a faithful victory.
20:15I am,
20:15there is a part of me now
20:16which is a bit like,
20:18hang on a minute,
20:19none of them listen to me.
20:20Why should they get the benefit?
20:22It's like,
20:23I think,
20:23I think Stephen and Rachel,
20:25you know,
20:26up to that point at least,
20:28definitely,
20:29deserve it.
20:29Definitely deserve it.
20:30And I mean,
20:31I hate to say I'm team traitor,
20:32but at least I'd have been beaten
20:34by Brazil,
20:34you know,
20:36your speech at the start
20:38of the round table
20:38was absolutely incredible.
20:40It was your second
20:40barnstorming speech of the day.
20:42Let's just get a little flavour
20:44of it now.
20:45We move on then
20:46to the day of Hugo
20:47and you said to me,
20:48you'll put a target on your back,
20:50don't do it.
20:52And I laid out my case
20:53against Hugo
20:54and I was really struck
20:56by the fact that
20:57you went straight off
20:58into Ross.
21:00We know now
21:01that Ross was a faithful.
21:03I felt that there was something
21:05wrong.
21:05I felt I'd been played.
21:08Did you prepare
21:09for what you were going to say
21:10at the round table?
21:11Oh, yes.
21:12Yeah.
21:12You'd run through everything
21:13in your head beforehand.
21:14Repeatedly.
21:15I'd written it down
21:16and I'd written it down
21:17and I'd written it down
21:18and then I had sort of
21:19made it shorter and shorter
21:20to memorise it
21:21because it was all in my head.
21:24How did you feel
21:24in that moment
21:25when you're laying out
21:26your argument?
21:27Are you confident
21:28or are you nervous?
21:29I think that at that stage
21:32I was past nerves
21:33because I didn't
21:34I knew no one
21:36was with me.
21:37I had already got
21:38that sense
21:38from how people
21:40had been
21:41everyone was being
21:42very nice
21:42but nobody was like
21:45we really want to hear it.
21:46I mean you did
21:47a terrific job
21:47but isn't it extraordinary
21:48when you feel the wave
21:50turn against you
21:51and you know
21:51groupthink is happening
21:52against you
21:53and there is that
21:55moment of
21:56slight
21:56I can't do anything
21:58to stop this
21:58so I'm just going to
22:00I'm going to accept
22:00this graciously
22:01and I actually
22:03haven't got it in me
22:03to fight
22:04because defending yourself
22:05is really difficult
22:06attacking someone else
22:08is much easier
22:08much easier
22:10and those that are guilty
22:11so the traitors
22:12they deflect
22:13and they attack
22:14and they you know
22:15look over here
22:16over here
22:16over here
22:17and you just feel it
22:19happening as you
22:19just go
22:20I can't win
22:20and it was the first time
22:22I'd ever had to defend myself
22:23no one had accused me before
22:25and I realised
22:25I didn't like it
22:26at all
22:27being under suspicion
22:28I really didn't like it
22:30and that
22:31I was going to have to
22:32keep doing it now
22:33and I didn't want that
22:34and halfway through
22:36I was
22:36I just remember
22:37the switch in my brain
22:38I was halfway through
22:39saying you know
22:39this is why you've got
22:40it all wrong
22:41to go on then
22:42just say I'm a traitor
22:43let's just get this
22:44over and done with
22:45How did it feel
22:46to have the nation
22:47suspect you of being
22:48the secret traitor?
22:49For the period of time
22:51everyone thought I was
22:52and they were
22:53you know
22:54all my friends
22:55were messaging me
22:56saying I hope you are
22:57I hope you are
22:57oh I bet it's you
22:59it is very hard
23:00when being falsely accused
23:02not to try
23:04and clear my name
23:05I do think we might have been
23:06slightly complicit in that
23:07on Uncloaked Harriet
23:09I'm sorry
23:10because people notice
23:11that we've put your portrait
23:12next to Stephen and Rachel
23:14I was aware of this
23:15and I've been trying very hard
23:17not to say anything about it
23:18yes well we apologise
23:20it was random portrait placing
23:22we should point out
23:23that the portraits
23:24are still up
23:26for audio listeners
23:27in that order
23:27it's Harriet
23:29next to Stephen
23:30who's next to Rachel
23:31so I can see
23:31why people might
23:32have tried to put
23:33those clues together
23:34not a traitor
23:35never a traitor
23:36never would be a traitor
23:37secret traitor's twist
23:38really has sent
23:39the nation mad
23:41well that's it
23:42for part one
23:43but the chat continues
23:44on BBC Sounds
23:44right now
23:45we'll have more reaction
23:46and analysis
23:47from Claire and Maddy
23:48and we'll be asking Harriet
23:50and feel free
23:50to give us some facial expressions
23:52based on this now
23:53all about her fellow players
23:55including
23:56secret detective Amanda
23:58secret couple
23:59Ross and Ellie
24:00secret mother and daughter
24:02Judy and Roxy
24:04and of course
24:05secret traitor Fiona
24:07that's in your bonus episode
24:09of Uncloaked
24:10ready and waiting for you
24:11scan the QR code
24:12on the screen
24:13and listen as you floss
24:14before bed
24:14I'll return with all the reactions
24:16straight after episode 8
24:18will the traitors manage
24:19to murder another player
24:20and is Matthew getting closer
24:22to being recruited
24:23thanks to Claire and Maddy
24:24and of course
24:25to the incredible Harriet
24:26I'm Ed Gamble
24:27stay faithful
24:28and I'm Ed Gamble
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