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00:08Hola y bienvenidos a The Ring, Euronews' debate show
00:12from the European Parliament in Strasbourg
00:15where elected members of the European Parliament
00:17go head-to-head on the most pressing issues for Europe
00:21and this week we talk about migration.
00:24Our executive producer Luis Alberto has more.
00:29Immigration is back on the European political agenda.
00:32The European Parliament debated applying the safe third country concept.
00:36In practice, this means designating certain states
00:39as capable of offering adequate protection,
00:42allowing European authorities to declare some claims inadmissible
00:45or unlikely to succeed.
00:47Supporters see speed and consistency.
00:49Critics warn that responsibility for protection
00:52may be quietly shifted beyond Europe's borders.
00:54At the same time, Spain approved a plan
00:57to grant legal status to thousands of migrants.
00:59This large-scale regularization policy raises another question.
01:04Beyond labor shortages and demographic decline,
01:06is Europe willing to offer refuge to people whose lives are threatened?
01:10Beyond the legal language lies a deeper reality.
01:13Around the world, from political chambers to cultural stages,
01:16like Bad Bunny's Super Bowl performance,
01:18celebrating Latin identity on one of America's biggest events,
01:21migration is not just a policy issue.
01:24It is part of how societies evolve, work and redefine themselves.
01:28So the debate is not only about lists and procedures.
01:30It is about who belongs, who decides
01:32and whether Europe can reconcile national choices
01:35with collective responsibility
01:36on one of its most defining questions.
01:46Juan Fernando López Aguilar, a Spanish MEP from the Socialists and Democrats Group.
01:51He chairs the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs
01:54and is one of the European Parliament's most influential figures
01:58on migration and asylum policy.
02:00Before being an MEP, he served as Spain's Minister of Justice.
02:04López Aguilar has consistently stressed the need to balance effective migration management
02:09with respect for international law and fundamental rights.
02:12Policies that legalize and integrate people already living and contributing in our societies
02:17are part of a mature and humane approach to migration, he said.
02:22Thomas Tobe, a Swedish MEP and vice chair of the Central Right European People's Party.
02:28Like López Aguilar, he serves on the Committee of Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs
02:32and has consistently emphasized the need to strengthen Europe's asylum system
02:36through efficient border management and cooperation with third countries.
02:40We are taking decisive steps to guarantee effective control over migration
02:44and speed up the return of illegal migrants.
02:46By clearly distinguishing between those in need of international protection
02:50and those who are not, we are reducing pressure at our borders, he said.
02:55Juan Fernando López Aguilar and Thomas Tobe,
02:59thank you so much for joining us on The Ring.
03:01As you know, the goal and really the essence of the show is to bring our viewers a real taste
03:06of the parliamentary debates that go on both in Strasbourg and Brussels.
03:11The topic is migration.
03:12And my first question, is migration an opportunity or has it become a problem?
03:18Both.
03:18But as for me, it's certainly an opportunity.
03:21It's only obvious that migration happens to be the most divisive issue in the European agenda.
03:27It's polarizing in geographic terms.
03:30It's not the same, the perception in the north, in the Baltics, that it is in the south.
03:34I come from the Canary Islands.
03:36I know what I'm talking of.
03:38It's ideologically divisive.
03:39It's not the same.
03:40The approach of the reactionary nationalism to the approach of the progressive responsibility,
03:47shared responsibility and humanitarian approach to migration.
03:51Same question to you.
03:52Of course, Europe needs work migration.
03:55That is not the problem.
03:57The problem we have is that we have a large number of illegal migration.
04:01And only one out of five who don't have the right to stay in Europe actually returns.
04:08And of course, we need to shift this.
04:10We need to have control of our borders.
04:12People who don't have the right to be in Europe should not be in Europe.
04:15And then, of course, we should have legal work migration.
04:18But what we're seeing now, for example, in Spain, they are now giving amnesty to 500,000 illegal migrants.
04:27This is a direct threat to the Schengen area.
04:30It undermines the Europe efforts.
04:33We are trying to work now to have a more of a common European migration policy.
04:38And I think it's time for us to actually decide, do we want to have control of the border?
04:44Do we want to have legal work migration?
04:47Or should we continue this path in Europe with illegal migration?
04:50It needs to stop.
04:51I strongly disagree with what I just heard from my colleague and friend, Thomas Tobey.
04:56First, there's no illegal people.
04:58We used to talk about irregular migrants.
05:00It's not an amnesty.
05:01He used the word amnesty.
05:02Of course it is not.
05:03It's a regularization which belongs to the competence of the member states.
05:07And it's been recognized by the European Commission itself.
05:11Second, it is not true that they're illegal.
05:15We always had a problem in the European Union with lack of legal pathways.
05:20That's one thing.
05:21We need more legal pathways.
05:23But when people come irregularly, it's because they are not given the chance to make it regularly.
05:28But insofar as they happen to already be in Spain, working in Spain,
05:33we are regulating not only human beings, but also jobs.
05:37And we're making it possible for those human beings employed in the irregular economy,
05:44in the so-called black market, as for now, to make it regularly so that they can actually pay taxes.
05:49They can actually contribute to the sustainability of the social services,
05:54in which it is a fact that they support more, they give more than they receive.
05:59It is not true that they are predatory to social services.
06:03On the contrary, they can actually contribute to the sustainability of the social services.
06:08And I make a final point.
06:09Spain is number one in growth and job creation in the European Union.
06:13And there is no economic analysis that does not underline the fact that it's largely due,
06:20because it's an alternative approach, positive approach to migration,
06:24incorporating inclusive, integrating migrants instead of rejecting migrants.
06:28Of course, if you take a decision that to say 500,000 people, we're not talking of a small group
06:36here,
06:36and you're basically handing out documents, that means that the next day they could travel to Sweden,
06:42they could travel to Germany.
06:44You don't even check if they have a criminal history.
06:47And of course, a large number of these people in Spain are people who just want to work,
06:52who want to contribute to the society.
06:54But this is a decision that will have serious consequences,
06:58because both me, Juan Fernando López Aguilar, and me,
07:01we worked together during the last mandate with the Migration Pact.
07:04We tried to work together.
07:06And for example, we are saying we need to help Spain,
07:09because many times Spain is under migratory pressure.
07:12The problem is now, you're saying,
07:14you need help with migratory pressure in Spain.
07:18And at the same time, you make this decision to give amnesty to 500,000 irregular migrants.
07:24It doesn't add up.
07:26You should know better.
07:27The decision being made by the Spanish government has been actually explained by the prime minister himself
07:32in an article published in New York Times.
07:34He doesn't even care about the Spanish parliament.
07:37He doesn't even care about the commissioners.
07:39It's not an amnesty.
07:40It's a regularization.
07:41Second, it is not true that they will be free to circulate in all of the Schengen area,
07:46because they will be given the chance to actually regularize their job,
07:50because they are actually employed in Spain, only in the black market, for one year.
07:55Just for one year of residence.
07:56It doesn't mean that they will circulate freely,
07:59because they are bound to the job market in Spain and to the residents in Spain.
08:03So we are given the chance to those many people.
08:06But it is a fact that Spain is a large country, larger than Sweden to begin with.
08:11It's 50 million people, Spain.
08:13So 500,000 immigrants, which are already in the job market, which are already working in Spain,
08:19they are given the chance to make it dignified, to have dignity,
08:23to have a regular situation and to actually contribute with the taxes.
08:28It is not true that they are going to invade the rest of the Schengen area,
08:34because they are bound to the job market in Spain and the residents in Spain.
08:36I'm not talking about invading.
08:38I'm talking about that we need to have, we have to choose a path.
08:40Some use the word invasion.
08:42Is that too much?
08:43No, I mean, I don't think we should use those kind of words.
08:46But I mean, we need to make a decision.
08:49Do we want to have control of our immigration policy or not?
08:51And I would say, if we have people coming to Europe, we reject their asylum request,
08:57they come irregular, then you should not be in Europe.
09:00You cannot have it both ways.
09:02When we have people who have come and they do have the right to be in Europe, we say yes.
09:06But for those who get a no decision, you actually need to return.
09:10Now you're basically saying, well, if you come, if you live in the shadows,
09:15if you somehow make sure that you stay in Europe, you will get this chance.
09:18What you're saying now is basically, and this is also very, it's a difference, you know,
09:24in approach, if we compare it to Greece, if we compare it to Italy.
09:28They are trying to handle a situation.
09:30Spain is now going on a rogue way in Europe, and this is actually very dangerous.
09:35You say it's a political decision.
09:36We've got to move on to our next round.
09:38I see you're all warmed up already.
09:43So now this is the moment for you to ask each other questions directly.
09:48So since I cut you off, Mr. Toby, let me give you the floor in the first place.
09:52Juan Fernando López Aguilar, we worked together on the migration pact, the last mandate.
09:57I think we actually achieved some very important things together for Europe.
10:02But you also know that we need to tackle returns.
10:07One out of five people are actually returned, and this cannot continue.
10:11Now commission is presenting proposals supported by several S&D governments across Europe.
10:19But now the S&D group and the European Parliament are voting no to every proposal.
10:24That means that we actually could be more efficient with returns.
10:28When will you face the reality?
10:30Yes, we work together in the migration and asylum pact, eight regulations, but it's not complete.
10:35It takes a lot of coordination in search and rescue operation at a European scale.
10:39It takes a lot of legal pathways.
10:41It takes a lot of cracking down on the business model of organized crime,
10:45dealing with trafficking of human beings.
10:47But yes, we have to come up with a European scale of response when it comes to migration and asylum,
10:53and returns is part of the equation.
10:56We don't deny that, but we want returns to be negotiated with dignity, with third parties,
11:03with third parties, countries of transit and origin.
11:06And it takes a diplomatic architecture which is lacking.
11:08You cannot impose returns, and you cannot ignore that you cannot return people to places they don't belong to.
11:16And that is why we object the proposal by the Commission,
11:20because it escapes the meaningful link between the country of transit or origin
11:26and the human being which is supposedly to be returned there.
11:30I have heard, because I have been the representative of the European Parliament
11:34in the Council of Ministers of Interior many times, fly them to Rwanda.
11:38And my question is, why Rwanda?
11:39Do you think because they're just indistinct in Rwanda because they're black,
11:43even though they don't belong to Rwanda?
11:46Even though they come from Mali or from Sudan or from Uganda?
11:51No, it doesn't make sense.
11:52You need meaningful links.
11:54And for that, it takes a negotiation with third parties.
11:57It doesn't suffice that you simply pay some ruler, some money, to keep them out of our sight.
12:03So you say, why do you continue the Rwanda model?
12:05We're not talking about Rwanda here.
12:07It's about saying, we have candidate countries to Europe.
12:12Could we consider them safe countries?
12:14So they go up to Albania?
12:16It could be.
12:17We're talking about, for example, India.
12:21We have a, I mean, look at the assignment request, unfolded assignment request.
12:26There are under 5% that actually get a yes to come to Europe.
12:30And everything will be assessed individually.
12:33But what we need to do, we cannot continue in this way, where we have a lot of unfounded
12:38assignment request coming to Europe, and then it takes a long time, and basically it means
12:43that you never leave.
12:44We cannot continue in this way.
12:46But just to be precise on this point for our viewers, when you mentioned Albania, the
12:49Italian government ran into major issues with the judiciary over sending migrants arriving
12:54in Italy to Albania.
12:56So it's not crystal clear this is going to work.
12:57No, no, no.
12:58But Albania is another topic.
13:00It's between, it's a deal that has been done by the Italian and the Albanian.
13:06That is a deal that they've done.
13:07But if they had issues, what makes you think that the EU would not run into issues in other
13:11candidate countries?
13:12Well, this proposal has been now assessed by all the EU authorities, UNHCR, and of course
13:21we have the right to return people if they are not in any risk of persecution and so on.
13:27We S&D, we don't deny the importance of returns.
13:30Actually, we have heard about just ministers of interior, which are actually concerned about
13:35returns.
13:36But why the percentage of returnees is so low?
13:40Because we don't have an architecture of agreements with third parties of transit and
13:45origin.
13:46And then there comes the commission saying we're going to enlarge the list arbitrarily, the
13:52list of safe third countries, including Bangladesh and Egypt, for instance, which are not considered
13:58safe countries of transit or origin by the European Asylum Agency.
14:03That is why we have objected.
14:05We have tried to come up with amendments.
14:07And the conservative party, the People's Party, the EPP, along with the far right, have
14:13denied all of our amendments, saying that they are red lines for them.
14:17So what is the question?
14:19My question is, do you really think that you can actually export people to some third country
14:25with no meaningful links with those particular human beings just for the sake that you're paying
14:29some money to some ruler to keep them out of our sight?
14:32Do you think you can send someone who is actually from Sudan to Egypt?
14:37Or do you think you can send someone who is actually from Uganda to Libya or to Tunisia just
14:44for the sake of having them out of our sight?
14:46Do you think that we can actually ignore the meaningful links which include culture, linguistic or even
14:53family links which are to be considered seriously by countries which are to return human beings
14:58to some other place?
14:59If the socialist and European Parliament would decide there are no safe countries outside of Europe, I mean, I hear
15:07that.
15:07When we started the negotiations about the countries, there's no country that you can accept.
15:12If you come to Europe, of course, we need to assess where you come from, of course, we will always
15:18do that.
15:18But, of course, there are countries, when a person comes to Europe, we can look, from which country have you
15:23been?
15:24Could you be safe in this country or not?
15:26That is the question.
15:28And, of course, this is now portrayed as some kind of delusional far-right policy.
15:35This is a policy coming from commission.
15:37This is a policy coming from S&D governments all across Europe because we cannot continue in this way
15:43where we have only one out of five people return in Europe.
15:47Then it means that even the people that need protection in Europe will not get the protection in Europe.
15:53We have to change the policy.
15:55We are going to continue.
15:56It takes agreements.
15:57It takes agreements, of course, and that's the point of the show, too, at times.
16:00Let's try to bring in a new voice into this debate.
16:03We've heard from the two.
16:04Let's bring in a new one.
16:08And, of course, the voice that I'm referring to is the man who handles this file, Commissioner Magnus Bruner,
16:14who did say on the record member states need to ensure that these decisions do not put at risk the
16:20integrity of the EU area,
16:22the common area, without internal controls, and to duly consider potential migratory and security implications.
16:29What is your reaction to these words?
16:31He's obviously not happy with this decision.
16:33He's saying it should have, at the very least, been done in consultation with the rest of the EU.
16:38I stated it clear because I was part of the debate just yesterday.
16:42Let's be blunt and clear about it.
16:45The Spanish government is a progressive government in a European Union,
16:49which is leaning right to far right more than ever before.
16:53But, sir, that's not the point of the commissioner.
16:55He's simply saying do it in consultation.
16:57Spain is being attacked precisely because there is a progressive government,
17:01which is meaning an alternative to the prevalent, to the predominant look to migration and asylum,
17:07which is negative and rejection.
17:09And it's doomed to fall, to fail.
17:12The point that Spain is making is that there is another way, integration, inclusion and respect to the dignity of
17:20the jobs
17:20that are actually being implemented in Spain as a factor for the Spanish growth and job creation.
17:29Meaning, meaning that Spain has the competence, which has been recognized by the commission,
17:34to take a decision of regularizing people who are already living and working in Spain
17:40to give them a chance of opportunity to have a dignity, which is an alternative to fear,
17:47to fear mongering, to exploiting fear against migrants.
17:51There is a bit of distrust.
17:54I mean, if Spain wants to have high migration,
17:57let's say that you decide that you want to have even higher migration to Spain.
18:01It's up to the Spanish government, for sure.
18:04But the problem with this decision is that you're sending the signal,
18:08come irregular to Spain or Europe, and then we will give you an amnesty.
18:13That is, I think, the problem that Spain will face now.
18:16You can say the word amnesty.
18:18The Spanish government says it's not an amnesty because they haven't committed.
18:20Well, of course it is.
18:21It's an amnesty. Why?
18:23Because this is 500,000 people who have come irregular.
18:28It is a decision taken by the prime minister.
18:31He doesn't even consult his own parliament.
18:33He doesn't even speak to the other European countries.
18:36This is a decision which I personally believe is more about the political fight in Spain,
18:42and it's a power grab.
18:44He needs to do this to his coalition partners in Spain.
18:47It's not about solidarity for these people at all.
18:49The Spanish government says they are not criminals, so it's not an amnesty.
18:52It's just saying they're providing a legal pathway to work.
18:55They already work.
18:56Of course, most of these people are not criminals.
18:58Of course.
18:58Let's be serious about this.
19:00But he won't even check if they have a criminal history.
19:04He just wants to hand out the documents, and this is very serious.
19:07What about the background checks?
19:08That's a fair point.
19:09If you're going to give out papers to live or work in a country, you need to know who they
19:13are.
19:13There is going to be an scrutiny and control by the Ministry of Interior that there are no criminal record.
19:17There is no criminal record.
19:19There is no police record.
19:20No one would qualify for the regularization.
19:23It's just criminal record or police record.
19:25So they have to be absolutely clean, and they already have to be in Spain and working in Spain.
19:28So you said have a million people will not have any criminal records.
19:31You can guarantee that that will not be the case.
19:33Of course.
19:33That is the role of the Ministry of Interior, and that is a condition for the regularization.
19:37That is a legal constitution.
19:38That is legal certainty.
19:40There has to be a time frame.
19:41There is no pull effect.
19:42Let's go.
19:43Now, very short break.
19:45Of course, the topic clearly is heated, but stay with us here on The Ring.
19:49We'll be right back with more.
19:59Welcome back to The Ring, Euronews' new weekly show.
20:03I'm joined by MEPs Juan Fernando López Aguilar and Thomas Tobey.
20:07And the idea, this is really the essence of the show, is to bring you a taste of the European
20:12Parliament's debates to your home and your sofa, if that's also possible.
20:17And this week, our guests are sharing their views on migration.
20:20And according to data from the European Parliament and the European Commission in 2024, about 997,000 asylum applications were
20:31recorded.
20:32That is a 13% drop compared to 2023.
20:35And in March alone, in 2025, around 58,000 first-time asylum applicants lodged claims.
20:44Both the number of arrivals and the asylum requests have dropped significantly.
20:48So the progressive aisle in the European Parliament argues is that, to some extent, the right has created a monster
20:55that doesn't really exist, were reflected in the numbers.
20:59Is that a fair point?
21:00No, I don't think so.
21:01What we're trying to do is to restore control of migration in Europe.
21:07I think we need to make a difference if you have the right to stay in Europe or you don't
21:11have the right to stay in Europe.
21:13And of course, we need to have legal pathways.
21:16We need to have work migration to Europe.
21:17But we cannot continue in this way, that the main idea for Europe is to have irregular migration to Europe.
21:25But no one is saying that, but who's saying they want irregular migrants in Europe?
21:30Who's saying that?
21:31Well, that is basically what the progressive in Parliament is saying, because they don't want to have proposals to actually
21:37have people returned.
21:39And the people that have come irregular, they want to give amnesty.
21:42It's a policy that basically says, well, if you need asylum in Europe, come and we will grant it to
21:49you.
21:49If we can't grant you the asylum, well, we will fix another way for you to be in Europe anyway.
21:54It takes legal pathways to have regular migrations.
21:56But he says you're allowing legal migration.
21:58There is lack of legal pathways.
21:59We need to build more on that.
22:00But let me tell you something.
22:01I'm well aware, because I've been here some years, that there is a mantra by the right, which is increasingly
22:07endorsed by the conventional conservatives, by the far right,
22:11which is that we are subject to some kind of an invasion, that migration is out of control, that we
22:18are going to even be replaced, that the originary toxinous population of the European Union, white and Christian, will be
22:27overnight replaced, they say, by black people and Muslim.
22:31That is complete bullshit.
22:33It's not happening.
22:35The numbers are manageable insofar as we do it, not leaning on hysteria or panic, but making the point, sticking
22:44to our values and legislative law.
22:46If we do it together, according to EU laws, we can do it.
22:49We are 450 million citizens, 27 member states among them, one of the most prosperous countries in the world.
22:57We have welfare, we have opportunity, we have an economy that can actually incorporate migrants.
23:04Actually, we need them, because it's good for demography, it's good for an economy, it's good for a prosperity.
23:11We can make it right if we do it according to laws.
23:14That is something we can certainly agree, Thomas and I.
23:17But what I see across Europe are even, I mean, conservative governments, even S&D governments, realizing that Europe needs
23:27a shift in migration policy.
23:29We need control of the borders, we need to have a big difference.
23:33If you have the right to stay in Europe, yes, you're welcome.
23:36If you don't have the right, you need to be returned.
23:39And of course, then you can say that we need work migration, for sure.
23:42We have some shortages that we need, of course, people to come and work in Europe.
23:46But the problem is that we continue in this way to have irregular migrants come, and that is the big
23:52numbers.
23:53Of course, there will be constraints in the society.
23:56Demigration policy doesn't work.
23:58Member states don't trust each other.
24:00And finally, now, then we are building up trust for a European migration policy.
24:05Then we see, in a way, Spain becoming kind of the black sheep.
24:09Now, when it comes to migration policy.
24:10But if you say it's political, what's the political advantage?
24:12You say Europeans don't want to see a regular migration.
24:14This is something they no longer want to tolerate, and there's consensus on this.
24:18What's, therefore, the political calculus of the Spanish government?
24:21I think it's very much a domestic issue.
24:23This is a government that has a very special coalition agreement with some left parties.
24:30Even left parties that actually are having these crazy theories that they want to legalize some of these irregular migrants
24:36because they want votes.
24:37I mean, it's crazy thinking, you know, but I wouldn't accuse Juan Fernández López Aguilar of that.
24:43I do hope in his heart, okay, he can see some people that actually are contributing to the Spanish society
24:49and want to give them a break.
24:51Sure.
24:51But I think he's wrong.
24:52I think those people should come the legal way to Europe.
24:55Spain is a progressive government, a coalition government.
24:57Even a minority government has nothing to do with the fact that Spain is under attack precisely because it's opposing
25:03an alternative to that predominant negative outlook, to a more positive approach.
25:08But his criticism is this is a decision to keep the coalition together.
25:11It's not really in line with what the people want from their government and the results in regional elections for
25:16Spain were not good.
25:17So maybe there's a disconnect between public perception and government action.
25:21In Spain, the reorganization process that has been decided by the government has had the endorsement of the Catholic Church,
25:28of the entrepreneurs, of the business, of the corporates, because it's good for the job market.
25:33It's good for the economy.
25:34Actually, I insist that there is no economic analysis in Spain, even worldwide, in the international press, that does not
25:43shed light on the fact that one of the factors of Spanish being number one in economy, growth and job
25:49creation is precisely its positive look towards migration.
25:52We need to now move on into our next and final session.
25:57This one will be different.
25:58It's shorter.
25:59So I hope that you're ready.
26:04I'm going to ask a set of questions and you can only answer with a yes or no response.
26:11Would you say now the European Union border controls are being effectively implemented or extra measures now still needed to
26:18continue that path?
26:19It's sufficiently controlled.
26:20Yes.
26:21Borders are sufficiently controlled.
26:22No need for extra measures.
26:24We need to do more.
26:26Does Europe need fewer but more clear rules?
26:29The short answer is yes.
26:31But still, I must add that clear rules does not mean lower rules.
26:37We need a clear policy.
26:38If you have the right to stay in Europe, yes.
26:40If you don't have, no.
26:42And then you will be returned.
26:43Now, my final question, which is always a hardest and the most difficult.
26:46Did your opponent, in this case, of course, you had very different views.
26:50Did they change in any way, however, your perception of this debate?
26:53But, of course, the European Parliament is all about a humbling lesson.
26:57No one has every reasoning on its own, on his, on her own.
27:04It always takes compromising.
27:04So you change your views in some way?
27:06And, of course, I have reached compromises with Thomas and with the EPP many times throughout the years I've been
27:11here.
27:11And I keep on doing it.
27:12He has, historically, perhaps not in the debate today.
27:17But I do appreciate that he says that Spain, at least now, seems to be open to also check the
27:23criminal background of the people that they want to give the amnesty to now.
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