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En el segundo episodio de “The Ring”, debatimos la cuestión política del Rearme de Europa, que se ha convertido en un objetivo geopolítico de la Comisión Europea.
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02:05fue blunt.
02:06Investir billones en la guerra
02:08no va a hacer el mundo
02:09safer o más peaceful
02:11he dijo.
02:14Río Terres y Martín Söderven
02:16bienvenidos a The Ring.
02:18La idea aquí es
02:19para dar a nuestros espectadores
02:20un vistazo de sus debates
02:22dentro del hemiciclo.
02:24Espero que te sientas bien.
02:25Río Terres, vamos a empezar con ti.
02:28Tú dices que el mercado
02:29debería proporcionar el equipo de defensa.
02:30Pero con un buen budget,
02:32¿quién debería pagar?
02:33La nación debería pagar.
02:34Pero naciones son bros.
02:36Naciones no están bros.
02:37Ellos han podido gastar dinero
02:39en muchas otras cosas.
02:41Por ejemplo, el cambio climático.
02:42En el momento en que la guerra
02:45está eminente en Europa,
02:46tenemos que ser más fuerte
02:47porque Europa no ha gastado
02:50enough en los últimos 35 años.
02:53No estamos hablando de la guerra
02:56sino de cumplir las promesas
02:59que hemos hecho nosotros
03:00muchos años atrás.
03:01Pero ¿cuál va a pasar ese dinero?
03:04Bueno, como Río ha dicho,
03:05ahora viene desde el presupuesto
03:07y esto es, por supuesto, un problema
03:09porque cada euro
03:10investido en las armes manufactureras
03:13no va a pasar, por ejemplo,
03:15hospitales, escuelas,
03:17digital infraestructura
03:19o la necesaria transición de nuestra industria.
03:23Entonces, esto es un gran problema.
03:25Yo diría que lo tomamos el dinero
03:27de los que tienen,
03:28que discutamos nuevos recursos
03:30para el presupuesto europeo.
03:31Y eso significa que
03:33que le taxamos el río,
03:34que le taxamos las multinacionales
03:35y que también discutamos
03:38algo como la taxación
03:39para las grandes empresas.
03:40¿Puedes acceder con esta idea?
03:41No, no, no.
03:42No, no es nada.
03:42Creo que la defensa
03:43es todavía la prerrogación
03:44de las naciones
03:45y de no las EUA
03:47en el cuerpo.
03:48Así que las naciones
03:49necesitan у propio
03:50sus proponjes
03:51y que si alguien me dice
03:54que no es posible
03:55un estado social
03:57y invertir en la defensa
03:59que es malo
03:59porque historia nos ha mostrado
04:01que la República
04:03de Alemania
04:04durante некоторые años
04:05de la Guerra Tierra
04:06fue capaz de construir uno de los sistemas más capaces de la sociedad en el mundo.
04:11Y al mismo tiempo, han investido 3.5% en el GDP en la defensa,
04:15porque es necesario y la gente entendía por qué.
04:18¿Qué es la idea de la defensa euro?
04:20Bueno, primero de todo, no tenemos un plan marcial para la UE y la defensa,
04:25porque se refiere a Alemania, eso fue el caso en el día.
04:29Entonces, hay grandes inversiones que vienen de la comunidad internacional a Alemania.
04:33Pero esto no es el caso hoy.
04:34Así que tenemos que realmente pensar en cómo levantar dinero.
04:37Y usted mencionó euro fondos para la industria armada.
04:39No creo que esto es una buena idea,
04:41porque estamos ya en el camino a tomar más detalles
04:45por dar los fondos a los estados de los que pueden invertir en los propósitos militares.
04:52Así que no creo que esto es una buena idea, seguir este camino a seguir este camino.
04:57Creo que estamos derralando la discusión aquí.
04:59No es sobre gastar dinero en sistemas de salud o en defensa.
05:04Es sobre defender Europa.
05:06Porque vemos que una agresiva Rusia está dispuesta y capaz de usar
05:10las armas militares contra los países.
05:13Y Putin ha declarado muy ofta que quiere reargar el sistema de seguridad en Europa.
05:19Y si no estamos listos, si no cumplimos nuestras propias propias,
05:23entonces no podemos defender Europa como un país y países separados.
05:28Y Martín Schöterwin, eso es un punto fair, lo que Río Terras hace ahí.
05:32Porque, por ejemplo, de Bruselas, el aeroporto fue cerrado por 30 minutos
05:37debido a drone incursiones, allegedly Russian drone incursiones,
05:40buzzing over Dule, la nuclear planta, right by the port of Antwerp.
05:44Bruselas had to call the UK in order to come and help,
05:47but wasn't able to defend itself in this situation.
05:49Yeah, exactly.
05:49That was supposedly a Russian drone.
05:51We don't know that yet.
05:52Well, I'm not defending Russia here.
05:53Maybe it was Russia, maybe it was the third country,
05:55maybe it was a private here, who knows.
05:57But obviously Europe is tested,
05:59also in its military capabilities.
06:01So, of course, we need to do something
06:04in order to discuss how to defend the European Union,
06:07how to defend the member states,
06:08in case there would be a violation of international law,
06:12meaning an attack against one of the member states.
06:14This is not the case so far,
06:15so we can take time,
06:17but just a little bit to discuss how to spend wisely
06:19the money that we have at our hands into defense.
06:23And a new security order does not only depend
06:26on defense capabilities,
06:28it also depends on how we implement international law,
06:31how we strengthen international organizations.
06:34And this is something that I'm really missing,
06:36especially in the discussion of the conservatives.
06:38Reaction to that?
06:40Now, I agree that there are all other mechanisms there,
06:43but the one and the only which really is understood by Putin
06:47is if you have more weapons than him, he has.
06:51So it is very easy for me, very plain.
06:54If you are strong enough, then he will start to negotiate.
06:57If you are not strong, he will laugh about you,
06:59as he has done throughout the years in the last two decades.
07:03And are you pleased with the trends lately?
07:05We've seen defense spending has gone up in the past few years,
07:08Rio Terrace.
07:09According to Eurostat, between 2021 and 2024,
07:13the total defense spending of the EU countries rose by 37%,
07:17whereas when it comes to social protection,
07:20it only rose by a tiny bit.
07:23How do you feel when you read this data, Martin Sherdogan?
07:26Well, I think this is completely out of line, this development.
07:29I mean, Rio referred to Russia and the threat Russia poses to the European Union.
07:34This is always the explanation why we have to spend more and more and more money
07:38into our defense capabilities.
07:40But I think, actually, that we really need to discuss what that means.
07:46In the end, it means a new way...
07:47Well, what is your solution, then, to protect Europe?
07:48Imagine if there was potentially an invasion, if an EU member state was...
07:51If we have a look at the numbers, let's take a look at the numbers.
07:55NATO is spending nine or ten times what Russia is spending
07:58for its defense and military capabilities.
08:01Even the European NATO member states spend four times what Russia spends.
08:05So there is no rational explanation why we should again spend more and more.
08:09But what about Russia's nuclear arsenal?
08:13They have 5,500 nuclear...
08:15They have that for decades now.
08:16That is no new development, right?
08:18How can we deter against that threat, Rio?
08:20The problem is that we have been spending less and less and less
08:23throughout the last 30 years.
08:25It's not about we are spending more.
08:27It's about starting to spend at all.
08:31Because the defense spendages, if you look from 1990 to 2020,
08:37then you will see how much we have lost,
08:40how big period of time we have lost,
08:42because we have not invested what we promised ourselves.
08:45It's not about 5%, 10%.
08:47It's about just 2%.
08:49It's exactly the same amount of money that Estonia saved
08:53introducing the digital government system.
08:56Is it possible to find the balance, do you think?
08:59It would be possible if you would look for other resources.
09:03And as I said, we need to discuss the introduction of new own resources.
09:07And now we have the discussion with the Mighty Annual Financial Framework,
09:09which allows us to look at new own resources.
09:12And this, for me, of course, means that we need to redistribute wealth
09:15in a society if we have those challenges in front of us.
09:18And we need to tackle them.
09:19I agree.
09:20We need to tackle the challenges.
09:21That's not going to happen.
09:22But therefore, we need money.
09:23That's not going to happen.
09:24I mean, the budget talks have already kicked off in Brussels.
09:26We can see how torturous they are.
09:27The strength of the European Union lies also on competitiveness.
09:32And if we start to introduce new taxes and distribute wealth,
09:37which we don't have right now,
09:38because we are not in the very good economical situation,
09:42then we will have less money to spend on defense.
09:45So we need to make Europe competitive again,
09:49which it's not right now.
09:50At the same time, we need to invest.
09:53And not the European Union, but the countries need to invest what they have promised to their defense.
09:59But then, Rio, really, you need to mention that.
10:02Because you're not doing that, then I will do it.
10:04Each euro invested into arms manufacturers means that there is no money left for social cohesion, for instance.
10:11And this will cause a new wave of austerity in Europe,
10:15which in the end means that those who have the least, suffer the most, working class families,
10:21will pay for this arms race that you are advocating for.
10:24Well, that conflict is not existent.
10:26We see in Estonia, the government decided to spend 5% on the GDP on defense,
10:32and the Estonian mothers want the mother care as well.
10:34But the people are supporting it by 80%,
10:36because they understand the urgency of the situation.
10:40And you don't need social services in Russia,
10:42because as we see in Donetsk, Russia does not give you social services.
10:47It kills your people, your children, and all so on.
10:50So it's not comparable.
10:51But this is not Russia.
10:51This is the European Union, and people are used to relying on this.
10:55This is not a discussion.
10:56But our citizens expect us to invest into public services and social security systems,
11:01and they are rightfully doing so.
11:02And make sure that the country exists.
11:04Yes, I mean, they do exist.
11:07At the moment where it is attacked by Russia, it is not forgiven.
11:11And that is the discussion about it.
11:13Well, let me stop you there, as it is now time to take the gloves off.
11:21Now, I want to give our viewers a real taste of the European Parliament chambers,
11:27where MEPs fire hard questions at each other.
11:30That means Rio Teres.
11:31And Martin Scherdoven will now have the opportunity to challenge each other directly,
11:36just like you do in the hemicycle.
11:38So, Martin Scherdoven, can you start, please?
11:40Rio, we met before, and you often say that this war in Ukraine will be won on the battlefield.
11:47Now, then, since Trump engaged in whatsoever diplomatic efforts,
11:54and even Ursula von der Leyen changed her language,
11:56do you still believe that this war will be won on the battlefield while Russia is advancing?
12:01Or do you agree with me that we need to ramp up our diplomatic efforts to end this war?
12:06Well, I have always been in the position and think that dialogue is the best way.
12:12But dialogue needs two sides.
12:15If one side is not willing to talk, you can do whatever you want.
12:19Putin will not come back to the table if we are not strong enough.
12:23And right now, Putin does not think we are strong enough,
12:26and we are not supporting Ukraine in the numbers we really need to do.
12:30Yes, the war is won at the battlefield.
12:33And Putin invaded a country, and it seems like he's literally getting away with it.
12:36Rio Teres, it's your opportunity now to address the question to Martin Scherdoven.
12:39In response to that, are you really sure that the known war criminal, Putin,
12:48is willing to come to the negotiation table in the situation
12:52where he has not listened to any discussions beforehand?
12:57And why do you think so?
12:59And should we sit with the four criminals at one table?
13:02Well, we need to end this war.
13:04This should be the objective here, not judging that war criminal.
13:07I agree.
13:08He is a war criminal, but we need to end this war.
13:11And therefore, we need to discuss how to...
13:12So, discussion with a war criminal is legal.
13:13Please let me answer.
13:14Please let me reply.
13:15And therefore, we need to end this war,
13:17and therefore, we need to think about how to do it.
13:19And I think there are several options on the table.
13:22First, engaging in a more coordinated diplomatic effort,
13:27like including also in taking on board China,
13:30who wields a huge influence over Russia and also India.
13:35Russia is dependent on, economically dependent on India.
13:38So, we need to take them on board.
13:40And then, of course, we need to target the sanctions.
13:42We have a sanctions regime in place,
13:44but we need to be more precise in targeting the industrial-military complex of Russia.
13:49Do you endorse the fact that Viktor Orban, the prime minister of Hungary,
13:53and the Slovakian Robert Fijo have the lines still directly open to Moscow and Beijing?
13:57Do I endorse that Trump invited Putin to Anchorage, Alaska?
14:03Well, what can I say about that?
14:05He did that, and he kicked off, as hard as it is to admit for European politicians,
14:11he kicked off a process that might, in the end,
14:14eventually lead to an end, diplomatic end of the war.
14:19Well, we will see if this happens or not.
14:21But he kicked off something new.
14:23Would you agree with that?
14:24It's naive.
14:25It's naive to think that Putin comes to the table.
14:29All attempts of Trump, of Wanderlion, many presidents have called,
14:34everybody has called him.
14:35He doesn't care about it,
14:36because he feels that he's strong enough to go on with the war.
14:41Time for you to address your next question to Martin Cherdovan.
14:43Yeah.
14:44Putin announced that he wants to rearrange the world order
14:48to say what it was in 1997.
14:51So, coming to the discussion table,
14:53would you really think that NATO should withdraw from the Baltic states,
14:59from Finland and Sweden, etc., from Poland even,
15:02or even from the Eastern Germany,
15:04in order to please Putin and bring him to the discussion table?
15:09But, Rio, I never said something like that.
15:11I never said something like that.
15:13But what I'm proposing is that we work on a stable international security order.
15:20And, of course, NATO plays a role in that.
15:22But we need to take into consideration security guarantees for many political actors.
15:27Now, like China, like India, like Russia, like European Union, and, of course, the United States.
15:33But that means to rethink a stable international order.
15:36And we are far from that,
15:37because the European Commission doesn't play any geopolitical role.
15:42Your chance to address the question now to Rio.
15:45All right.
15:46So, we already touched upon the question of financing our expenditure for military purposes.
15:53And you are advocating for using public money, the public budget,
15:59which, as I already explained, will lead to austerity, a new wave of austerity.
16:03Would you agree with me that we need new sources to raise money
16:09if we want to tackle our challenges both at international level and internally at the social level?
16:16No, I think we should invest more wisely.
16:20We should try to cooperate more.
16:21We should try to make our defense industry more effective
16:25so that for every euro we will get more impact.
16:29But never, I would agree, with more taxes on European citizens.
16:36No, not on citizens.
16:37He's referring to tax the rich.
16:38Tax the rich.
16:39But as far as I know, the rich are the citizens of Europe as much as the poor.
16:44Well, then let's tax U.S., American and Chinese big tech companies.
16:51Would you be in favor of that?
16:53Well, I would say competitiveness is not won by taxes.
16:57It's by investing in the new technologies and by making ourselves stronger,
17:02not trying to get money from the others.
17:05Look, we have heard now from Martin Shurdovan and Rio Terras,
17:08and I'd like to bring in a new voice now.
17:15The EU Council President Antonio Costa has been making headlines of late
17:19for his ambitious statements on the future of European defense.
17:23Speaking to EU heads of state and government recently, he said,
17:26to build the Europe of defense, we need efficient political oversight and coordination.
17:32And he said, our defense ministers need to play an increased role.
17:36Martin, how do you interpret this statement?
17:38Is it the first step towards a European defense union or, may I add, an EU army?
17:42Yeah, well, he hasn't been very clear about that.
17:45But what I think he is right about is that we really need to coordinate better.
17:50So, for now, we are just discussing imaginary figures that the European Commission came up with
17:54based on no assessment of whatsoever we really need.
17:57Is there an appetite, Rio Terras, to coordinate?
18:00I mean, the EU and NATO together, and industry, of course, together,
18:02because they're all competing.
18:04Yeah, well, I think NATO has put requirements on the countries,
18:08members of NATO, which are part of the European Union.
18:13So, we have the requirements.
18:14We know the numbers.
18:16But, yes, I think the coordination between the ministers of defense is important.
18:20In order to enable Commissioner Kobilius to work with them together,
18:26better solutions for our own defense.
18:28And where is the market hedging its best?
18:30Because we remember a few years ago,
18:32everyone in Brussels was discussing the European Green Deal as the growth model.
18:36Now it's all about defense.
18:37We should be balanced.
18:38We should not focus on one and then another.
18:41We should do both.
18:42We should be social state also.
18:43I agree.
18:44Well, this week, I mean, it needs to be balanced.
18:46This week, COP30 is taking place.
18:48How can we rearm Europe by 2030?
18:50And also, go green.
18:51This is not going to happen with the proposal that the Commission just made
18:54for the multi-unit financial framework for the EU budget.
18:57It's focusing solely on armament, rearmament Europe,
19:00and not focusing on the Green Deal anymore.
19:02Your party family wants to get rid of the Green Deal.
19:05And it's also putting into question the social state of Europe.
19:08The biggest threat to sustainability of Europe is if Russia attacks European countries.
19:15And again, it's always Russia.
19:18It is.
19:18It is.
19:19Today, backed by China.
19:21Not believing in naive thinking that China will be on our side.
19:25Never.
19:26A communist country will never be on European side.
19:28Because we are democracies and we are defending here democracy.
19:32The reason why Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022 and 2014
19:37was because Ukraine wanted to have an association agreement with the European Union.
19:41It's not about NATO.
19:42It's about free will of a free country.
19:44It is time now to take a short break here on The Ring.
19:47But stay with us.
19:48We will be back very, very soon with some more political punch.
19:51Welcome back to The Ring, Euronews' new weekly show.
20:03I'm joined by MEPs Martin Scherterman from the left
20:06and Rio Terras from the European People's Party.
20:09And the idea here is to bring the European Parliament's debates to your couch.
20:14So what about you?
20:15What do you think about the EU's drive to pump up defence?
20:18Well, according to EU data, 78% of Europeans are indeed concerned
20:24about the EU's defence insecurity in the next five years.
20:28That's 8 in 10 Europeans.
20:31How do you feel about that?
20:32I can understand that.
20:34Obviously, the international order is in turmoil.
20:37And of course, we need to provide also to our citizens stability.
20:41And that also means defence stability.
20:43What you're saying is very similar to what the head of the EPP said this week.
20:46He said, alone and naked we stand in a world of storms.
20:49Yeah, well, it only shows that I'm right.
20:52We need to spend more in defence and try to do it clever.
20:56What do your voters think?
20:58Well, our voters, my voters back home understand the necessity.
21:02We understand it already since 2010.
21:04As Estonia was spending 2% of the GDP on defence, as we promised to NATO.
21:09Today, it's 5% plus which we invest.
21:14But the Estonia's problem with 1 million people is that our 100% is too small.
21:19And we need to make sure that countries like Germany, France, Spain and Italy spend the same.
21:27You're praising, of course, your country of Estonia, which is obviously your job as an MEP.
21:30But it's a much smaller country.
21:31Other countries like your in Germany, much bigger challenges in this area.
21:35Yeah, well, the 5% target of the NATO means that Germany has to spend hundreds of millions into the military.
21:43And this is, of course, a huge burden both for the public budget but also for the citizens.
21:49And this is debated very controversially in Germany.
21:53And actually, I do not agree with that.
21:55Because the amount of money will only lead to cuts in public services and social security.
21:59And this is unacceptable.
22:00So citizens are not really on board with this plan?
22:0280% of the people in Europe.
22:04They are not that clearly in Germany.
22:07I mean, they are concerned.
22:08They are in Germany also.
22:09It's not that the German public is against defence spending.
22:12That's not true.
22:13I think they're concerned when it comes to the money coming from their pocket.
22:16Well, that's always the case.
22:18And that's why democracy works.
22:20You elect people who take decisions for you.
22:22And then next time you elect the other people.
22:25That is too easy, Leo, because that means actually that public money, meaning taxpayers' money, meaning our money and the working class families' money, goes directly into the pockets of the big shareholders of the arms manufacturers.
22:37This is not that easy.
22:38And people are discussing that.
22:39We have to be honest there.
22:40No, it makes Europe stronger.
22:41It makes Europe stronger.
22:43Can you name a single situation where a world power without military backing has changed history?
22:52But Martin Sheridan is right.
22:53The arms industry will get much richer.
22:55But will ordinary citizens benefit too?
22:57We should use more SMEs.
22:59We should get the money.
23:00Then we should tax them.
23:01Then we should tax them.
23:02Yeah.
23:02But you don't agree with that idea.
23:03We should not tax the big ones.
23:06But we should make sure.
23:07Tax the small ones.
23:08Make sure that the money comes to the SMEs, to the small technology companies, which right now are disrupting the battlefield in Ukraine.
23:18We need to get the big money, not to the big primes, but to the SMEs who are creating working space, who are creating jobs for the ordinary people who can earn more money.
23:31The money comes back to you if you are clever enough.
23:33Is it wishful thinking, do you think, Martin Sheridan, this idea to re-arm Europe by 2030?
23:38No, not really wishful thinking because there are huge investments on the way.
23:42And I agree with the idea that we need to be capable to defend ourselves.
23:47But as also Rio now confirmed, we need to spend the money more wisely in order to address the new challenges, cyber attacks, drone warfare, etc.
23:55And we have to be very precise in our assessment what we need as a society, as a European society.
24:01And that assessment hasn't been done yet.
24:03And I do completely disagree.
24:05That's why I do completely disagree with the proposals on the table.
24:08And Rio, how are you convincing other countries?
24:10Because, of course, Estonia is very close to Russia.
24:13You feel the threats every day.
24:14Countries, though, like Spain, Italy, Greece, they have other issues on their minds, like migration, for example.
24:19Well, the war criminal Putin is helping us always.
24:22If I have difficulties to convince somebody, he would attack somebody.
24:26And the events in Brussels airport recently show us that everybody is endangered.
24:33Everybody.
24:34From Spain to Portugal, everywhere.
24:36And we need to understand that the migration is not an existential threat.
24:41Migration is a threat to our way of life, to our economy.
24:46But war is an existential threat.
24:49And that is a difference.
24:50Final reaction to that.
24:50Would you agree?
24:51Yeah, well, I really don't get that.
24:53I mean, how can you say that migration?
24:55You put it all in one basket.
24:57You put it all in one basket.
24:58You put it in one basket.
25:00There is no clear political line.
25:01Why do you bring now migrants?
25:02I was not putting it all in one basket.
25:04I was just highlighting the challenges and the issues facing other member states.
25:09But it is now time to move on to our fifth and final round.
25:13Are you ready?
25:18Now it is time for something different.
25:21I'm going to ask you a set of questions and I require a yes or no answer.
25:25Is this doable?
25:27I hope so.
25:27Let's find out.
25:29Let's find out.
25:30Should the EU develop its own nuclear deterrence strategy?
25:34Yes or no?
25:35No.
25:37No.
25:37Can the EU ever be a military power?
25:40Yes or no?
25:41It is.
25:43Yes.
25:44What about military conscription?
25:46Is this a good idea?
25:47Yes or no?
25:48I have my doubts.
25:50Conscription is the only way for small countries.
25:52I don't know about big ones.
25:54Should EU countries spend at least 2% of their GDP on defence?
25:58Well, it depends on what we actually need.
26:01Yes or no?
26:01I would say, let's look into it.
26:04Yes, of course.
26:05Not even more.
26:07Is Russia's threat big enough to justify the current surge in spending?
26:11No.
26:11Russia is not justified to do anything at the moment, I think.
26:14Yes, it is.
26:15Will Europe ever be military independent from the United States?
26:18Yes or no?
26:19Yes.
26:20Yes.
26:21Should the EU funds be used to subsidise weapons?
26:24Yes or no?
26:25Yes.
26:26No.
26:27It is not allowed by the European treaties, by the way.
26:30Even though it is on the cards?
26:31Yes.
26:32Should taxpayers accept higher public debt to fund military build-up?
26:36In separate countries, yes.
26:38No.
26:39Should EU defence projects prioritise European companies only, even if it raises costs?
26:43Yes or no?
26:44No.
26:44At the current moment, we need to take whatever is available in the world.
26:48Same question to you?
26:49Yeah, we should prioritise European industry, yes.
26:52And what about drones?
26:54Is the future of warfare on drones?
26:56No, on people.
26:58Ah, well, the future is on peace.
27:01Final question.
27:01Have you agreed with anything that Martin Sheridan has said here?
27:05Yes, that we need to be smarter in spending on defence.
27:08What about you?
27:10Well, no, I have my difficulties to find something that I agree with that you just said.
27:17But at least we have brought you together here on The Ring.
27:19Martin Sheridan and Rio Tarras, thank you so much for being on The Ring.
27:23Thank you so much.
27:23And thank you so much for watching.
27:25If you have a comment for us, do reach out.
27:28TheRing at Euronews.com.
27:30That is our email address.
27:31Tell us how you feel about the EU's focus on defence.
27:35Thanks for watching and see you soon.
27:39We'll see you soon.
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