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Europe Today: La UE contra Musk, Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya y la inmigración

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00:00Good morning, it is Monday the 8th of December. I'm Maeve McMahan and this is Europe Today,
00:21your news' daily live fix of European news and analysis. Coming up today, Elon Musk has said
00:28the European Union should be abolished for issuing his social media platform X with a fine of €120
00:34million. But the Commission says this fine is a response to several violations of its
00:39Digital Services Act. It's the first fine ever issued under this landmark legislation that
00:45aspires to keep Europeans safe online. This, as the US administration warns in a controversial
00:51national security document, that Europe must change or face civilisation erasure. For more
00:57on this story, let's turn to Maria Today, your news' EU editor. Good morning, Maria. Bring us up to speed
01:02on this story. There's a lot to digest this morning. Well, there's a lot and the EU really caught up in
01:07this vortex over the weekend, which, as you say, really started on the Friday morning when the US
01:13put out and Europeans found out about this national security strategy in this document. The US does say
01:19Europe is a natural ally, but they also argue in unusual language. To some extent, we could question
01:26whether or not it's diplomatic, that Europe has to go back to its former greatness. It also argues that
01:32illegal, uncontrolled migration, bad economic policies, too much regulation, all of this put together
01:38could end the European civilization as we know it. The document presented by the US also welcomes European
01:45patriotic parties who, they argue, are resisting this trajectory. And the US, they add, should help contribute
01:51to change this trajectory. Obviously, this is unusual language. It's not shocking. It's not
01:57really surprising because it builds up really on the speech that the US Vice President J.D. Vance gave at
02:03the Munich Security Conference. The only difference, of course, is that it is now in writing. I should
02:08note, however, over the weekend, I spoke with European officials who told me, look, this document has
02:13little to do with national security and a lot about what they perceive is political interference.
02:19Now, the second part to this has to do with Elon Musk. The commission fined X 120 million euros for
02:27breaching transparency rules in the European Union. The fine, the amount, I should note, it's quite small
02:32compared to other penalties on US big tech. Nonetheless, it triggered a big response from
02:38Elon Musk, who's been tweeting about the European Union all over the weekend. He started, and hopefully we
02:43can put it up on the screen, saying the EU is not a democracy. It has become a bureaucracy.
02:49It should be dismantled, abolished. The EU, quite strong language. The commission is still defending
02:54this fine, saying it is appropriate. They believe they have a strong legal case. And if he disagrees,
03:00he can take it to court in a court of justice, of course.
03:03And Maria, how's the EU been responding to the unprecedented language from the other side of the pond,
03:06from, in theory, their biggest ally?
03:08Yes. And, you know, when we look at the EU as an institution, very timidly, no word from the head
03:15of the commission, Ursula von der Leyen, no word from the head of the European Council either. But we did
03:19speak with Kaya Callas, the foreign office chief policy from the EU. She told us the way to look at
03:26this is that domestic issues have to be dealt by the EU on external matters and conflicts. We should
03:32still work together with the United States. Let's take a look.
03:36Let's focus on the things that we can do together. I mean, what we can take from that
03:41security strategy is that we are still, you know, allies with America. We don't always see eye to eye
03:48on everything, but it's our internal matters. We can handle ourselves. Let's focus on the global
03:54challenges that we actually have, which are, you know, economic cursive practices from China that we
03:59are both, you know, faced with, which is the threat that comes from malign actors like Russia, like
04:07China, like Iran. So we definitely need to focus on what we can do together. And, you know,
04:15domestic issues, let us let them be our domestic issues.
04:19And that was Kaya Callas speaking to your news. Note how she said three times these are domestic
04:24issues. That's for the EU. The capital's much stronger language. The French foreign minister,
04:29saying the commission is right. And this is just the start. The Polish foreign minister,
04:34much stronger language. He tweeted directly at Elon Musk saying, go to Mars. There is no censorship
04:39for Nazi salutes there. Obviously, that's a reference to another controversy as to whether
04:43or not Elon Musk had made a Nazi salute at a rally at the start of this year. But maybe what we're
04:48seeing, of course, is a lot of cacophony because there is no single strategy in terms of how to deal
04:53with the United States at this point. For the EU, the institution, I repeat, it has been so far
04:59about de-escalation, hoping to stabilize the relationship. Although that's not really been
05:03the case. The tariffs went ahead, 8 to 5 percent on Ukraine. Very difficult situation. But for the
05:08time being, the strategy continues to be don't engage publicly.
05:11Indeed, a very tricky time for the transatlantic tie. Thank you so much, Maria Tadeo,
05:15Euronews' EU editor for that. And if you're listening to Maria's analysis there about Elon
05:19Musk and thinking, you have seen this movie before, you're right. It is not the first time
05:24the EU and Elon Musk find themselves in the online boxing ring. Our reporter Jakob Janis has this
05:29refresher. Over the weekend, there was yet another battle between the EU and Elon Musk,
05:37who claims the European Union should be dismantled. It sounds extreme, but if you look at the timetable,
05:45the bells have been ringing for some time already. Let's go back to July 2024. Musk claimed Brussels
05:53offered him a secret illegal deal to censor speech. Fact check. It was a standard compliance procedure
06:00offered to every platform, but Musk used it to frame himself as a victim. Then was August 2024.
06:09The European Commission sent a formal warning letter to follow EU law. In response, Musk tweeted
06:16a very non-diplomatic meme from the movie Tropic Thunder. In late 2024, he told German voters to
06:24back the far-right alternative for Deutschland. And then he attacked Italian judges on migration,
06:31claiming they need to go. And his current battle is against the 120 million euro fine for his social
06:38media platform, X. However, the fine is not about supposed censorship, but about consumer fraud. It means
06:47selling verification to anyone, including bots, actively blocking researchers from seeing public data,
06:54and hiding who actually pays for the ads you see. Given that the penalty is well below the maximum
07:04possible fine, we need to ask one question. Is the game you play, Elon, actually about business?
07:11Or maybe it's about something else?
07:19Jakob Yanis there. Well, coming up, we'll be joined by Svetlana Tekinovskaia, the exiled opposition leader of the
07:25Belarusian democratic movement, who emerged after challenging Belarus' authoritarian leader Alexander Lukashenko
07:31in the 2020 presidential election. Forced to flee her home country, she now dedicates her time to advocating
07:38for democratic Belarus and resisting the regime's role in Russia's war against Ukraine. Svetlana Tekinovskaia,
07:44great to have you with us here on Europe Today.
07:46Good morning.
07:47Welcome to Brussels. First, how is your husband Sergei doing? He was released this summer after
07:52many years behind bars in Belarus.
07:54He's gone through the process of rehabilitation because all the political prisoners are really
07:59exhausted physically, but he's not broken mentally and gave a boost of energy to our movement.
08:05And of course, it was thanks to the Americans that helped orchestrate his release. We saw Keith Kellogg
08:09there engaging in dialogue with Lukashenko. Do you trust them now to help end the war in Ukraine?
08:16Look, we all want peace. And of course, I'm so grateful to President Trump personally and his team for
08:21releasing political prisoners from Belarus. But of course, the future of our country depends on the
08:27outcome of the war in Ukraine. And of course, we all want just and long-lasting peace, not just,
08:33you know, temporary relief to give opportunity to Russia to regroup and start attacking again.
08:39But also, what is important for us is that during these negotiations, Belarus aspect is also included,
08:46that Belarus is not giving as consolation prize to Putin, that Belarus will not lose our independency.
08:51And that's why we need a strong Europe as a player in these negotiations that will be the voice of
08:58Belarusian people.
09:00Because a bad deal for Ukraine would be detrimental, I imagine, for Belarus?
09:03Absolutely, yes. We understand that if Ukraine loses this war, hopefully it will not happen and
09:10we'll keep strong alliance around Ukraine. It will mean a status quo for Belarus for wages and
09:17Russia will continue to subjugate our country.
09:20But how would you describe the current talks taking place? We saw three days of talks in Florida this
09:24weekend. There was no breakthrough. Are they really peace talks or are they more surrender talks?
09:29It depends on the strong position of Europe, first of all. Of course, you know, President Trump, he might
09:36want fast peace in Ukraine. But for us, it's more about security architecture, it's about
09:43region. It's more than about only Ukraine, it's about all European neighbourhoods, Moldova, Belarus,
09:49Georgia, Armenia, so on and so forth. So that's why here Europe has to remain with its strong,
09:56bold and firm position and defending and protecting all our region.
10:02Do you think Europe has been too weak so far in these talks?
10:04I think that Europe is much stronger than it might seem, it might think about itself, but
10:16we maybe need more unity, more boldness, because any hesitation or undecisiveness is
10:24perceived as weakness by dictators. And now we see that Russia, together with the other regimes and
10:30Lukashenko, they're testing the borders of Europe.
10:35Well, we can see that. I mean, the EU has been furious as well with these balloon
10:39incursions coming into Lithuania. Lithuania declaring a state of emergency.
10:43The Belarusian appointee here in Brussels has been summoned by the Commission.
10:46What's going on and what's behind this?
10:48Now, all these metal balloons and drones, it's a part of hybrid attacks on Europe,
10:56Europe, the same as migration crisis and hijacking of airplanes, so on and so forth. So we see how
11:04dictators are trying to blackmail, constantly blackmail Europe, just to see how far they can go
11:11without a strong response. And in our case, I think that it's very, maybe effective tool to close the
11:18borders for trade, for goods, but not for people. Just be tough on the regimes, but we are very open for
11:26the societies.
11:27And Belarus Lukashenko, he's also been weaponizing migration. We've seen a lot.
11:31Yeah, you know, it's last many years already, and these migration attacks are continuing. It's also
11:38one more tool in the dictator's hands, how to weaken or test or blackmail our Western neighbors.
11:47And finally, President Zelenskyy will travel to London today. He'll be sitting down with Friedrich
11:51Merz, the German Chancellor, President Macron of France. Any expectations for those talks today?
11:56I hope that it will be unity around Ukraine, about our region, that Ukraine will be given
12:04everything they need to win this war. We don't have to follow President Trump's path because his
12:12approach is more transactional, but we have to think more strategically about
12:16security architecture for years ahead.
12:21Thank you so much for coming into us today here and speaking to us on Europe Today.
12:26Well, meanwhile, this Monday in Brussels, EU justice ministers from all across the block will be
12:31gathering for talks on the implementation of the EU migration pact. They're gathering takes place after
12:37reports came from Crete this weekend that 18 people lost their lives trying to cross the Mediterranean Sea.
12:43Ida Sanchez reports.
12:47Migration management in the EU takes a big step this Monday.
12:51For the first time ever, four EU countries will receive direct help.
12:58Italy, Greece, Cyprus and Spain will benefit from a so-called solidarity pool, set up to better manage migration flows.
13:08From relocations to cash injections, countries should be able to rely on this support.
13:13But until ministers make a decision today in Brussels, the proposal made by the Commission is just an idea.
13:23Ask how much and who will pay is still the big question on the table.
13:29One thing is clear. Under the new migration and asylum pact, no country will be forced to accept relocations.
13:38This was one of the most controversial points of the proposal.
13:41Countries like Poland and Hungary completely opposed the idea.
13:45Last month, the European Commission presented their first annual report on migration flows in each country.
13:54They identified who they thought needed support.
13:59The so-called solidarity mechanism, one of the most controversial parts of the migration pact,
14:05will be applied from June 2026.
14:11And for more on the outcome of those talks in Brussels today, keep an eye on Euronews.com.
14:21But that brings this Monday's edition of Europe Today to an end.
14:25Thank you so much for tuning in and for being with us.
14:27We'll be back, of course, tomorrow morning again with another episode.
14:30See you then, and take care.
14:31We'll see you then.
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