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00:00:00Search for Nancy Guthrie, Trace Gallagher. He is in Tucson tonight. He will take over our coverage from here, live from there.
00:00:10And good evening, everyone. I'm Trace Gallagher. It's 10 p.m. on the East Coast, 8 o'clock here in Tucson, Arizona.
00:00:16And this is a special breaking edition of America's Late News, Fox News at night.
00:00:21And breaking tonight, Fox News can now confirm that one person has been detained in the search for Nancy Guthrie.
00:00:31Sources making it very clear at this time, in fact, they are going out of their way at this time to make sure that this is not being called an arrest,
00:00:39that this person is not being called a person of interest, that this person is not to be called a suspect, at least for now.
00:00:46But the way this day has evolved, this is a massive, massive story.
00:00:53This, after the FBI recovered new video from the morning of her disappearance, showing a masked individual tampering with her doorbell, and a lot more than that.
00:01:04That footage, by the way, leading to a flood of new tips.
00:01:07The FBI telling us that in the time that they released this on social media, across networks around the country, that their number of tips went up dramatically.
00:01:19And you can only think that some of those tips, at least one of those tips, may have led to some big things.
00:01:26It's because the FBI, the Pima County Sheriff's Office, police agencies around Tucson, Arizona, were extraordinarily busy today.
00:01:36The Pima County Sheriff's Office has been a big day.
00:01:40It really has, Trace.
00:01:42And it was very clear to us, as soon as that video was released by the FBI today, that this investigation was gathering momentum very quickly.
00:01:52And then, just about 20 minutes ago, we broke into Hannity with that news.
00:01:57Three sources confirming to Fox that they have detained a person in connection with the Nancy Guthrie case.
00:02:06And that was just hours after these images were released by the FBI, showing somebody approaching Nancy Guthrie's door, as you can plainly see, covered head to toe, ski mask, gloves, etc.
00:02:20Approaching that door, doing something with the doorbell camera.
00:02:24This all happening, according to the FBI, in the early hours of Sunday, February the 1st, which is, of course, when Nancy Guthrie went missing.
00:02:33And then, hours after those pictures were released, we were here at the Pima County Sheriff's Office, Trace.
00:02:39And we started to see intense activity, the like of which we have not seen in the eight days now that we have been here.
00:02:48First of all, we saw officers loading up a SWAT truck with shields, etc.
00:02:55One of those SWAT trucks pulled out, followed by another one.
00:02:58Then the bomb squad truck started moving.
00:03:01The mobile command center moved out.
00:03:04We weren't clear where they were headed.
00:03:07We believe they headed south.
00:03:10The SWAT trucks, by the way, have not yet returned.
00:03:14The bomb squad truck has returned just about an hour ago.
00:03:17It is parked alongside me here now at the Pima County Sheriff's Office.
00:03:22But those SWAT trucks are still out.
00:03:25Whether they were involved in detaining this person,
00:03:30clear, but solely they were rolled out in the hours after that, those video images were released from the door.
00:03:41Trace, this has been a day of major developments.
00:03:43And this seems the biggest one yet.
00:03:47One person detained in connection with the Nancy Guthrie case.
00:03:52It is a huge development, as you say, Jonathan.
00:03:56I'm just wondering, we've been talking all day and kind of back and forth.
00:04:00Your team at the Sheriff's Office, we're out here at Nancy Guthrie's home.
00:04:04I'm wondering, Jonathan, if you know when those SWAT vehicles that you pointed out a few seconds ago left,
00:04:11do you know if one of those was involved in the detention of this person at all?
00:04:21We don't.
00:04:22The timing plays out, though, Trace.
00:04:25Those vehicles left here, I want to say it was around 3 p.m. local time.
00:04:33That's 5 p.m. Eastern.
00:04:36And then, as far as we were aware, they were traveling south.
00:04:40Now, I do not have that 100% confirmed.
00:04:43We believe that to be the case.
00:04:46And we believe that the person detained in connection with the Nancy Guthrie case was detained south of Tucson.
00:04:56We're still working on all of those kind of details, of course.
00:04:59This is a very fluid situation.
00:05:02But I think it is reasonable to assume that they were at the very least rolled out, those SWAT vehicles.
00:05:09First time that they've moved in the eight days we've been here because they were honing in on somebody who is now detained.
00:05:17Trace.
00:05:17The chief correspondent, Jonathan Hunt, and live for us at the sheriff's station.
00:05:22Jonathan, of course, we'll get back to you as the news warrants.
00:05:25We should also point out, as we have...
00:05:27Sheriff's station.
00:05:30Jonathan, of course, back to you as the news warrants.
00:05:32We should also point out, as we have kind of talked about this, and we say that this person being detained, it also comes with the caveat that there is no sign still of Nancy Guthrie.
00:05:44So they wanted that to be very clear as well, that they do have a person that has been detained.
00:05:50But so far, there is no link that they can make.
00:05:53There is no sign that they can make so far of Nancy Guthrie.
00:05:57We, of course, will keep you posted as information on that comes in.
00:06:01Meantime, let's bring in our panel, retired Border Patrol chief Chris Clem, Fox News contributor and former NYPD inspector Paul Morrow, criminal defense attorney, and former prosecutor Josh Ritter,
00:06:12and award-winning tech journalist Kurt Knutson, also known as the Cyber Guy.
00:06:18Thank you all for coming on the show.
00:06:19I want to go to the bottom of me, the box, to Paul Morrow and Josh Ritter, one, two, very quickly,
00:06:26because I think it's interesting, Paul Morrow, when you hear that somebody has been detained,
00:06:31but they're very careful not to say that this person has been arrested,
00:06:35not to say this person is a suspect or a person of interest.
00:06:39What does that tell you about what they're doing, but yet they still made it very clear that they had somebody who was detained?
00:06:50So let's not read too, too much trace into the word detained.
00:06:54There's detained and then there's detained, right?
00:06:56There really isn't much of a continuum between being somebody that can just walk around
00:07:01and somebody who can't leave the presence of the police.
00:07:04In this case, it looks like, from what I'm hearing from digital, it's likely the FBI.
00:07:09About the middle ground, there's something called a material witness warrant,
00:07:13which just essentially means, yeah, you're not going anywhere until we sort this out,
00:07:18but you can't hold that person indefinitely.
00:07:20It may be something like that.
00:07:22My point is this.
00:07:23If the word detained was used, you're pretty far along the line.
00:07:28That, to me, it suggests that the person is not sticking around voluntarily.
00:07:36Reading too much attention to that, it might just be the way it came down.
00:07:39But if, in fact, they had to detain this person, then you've got to say to yourself, what do they got?
00:07:46Yeah, I mean, it really is.
00:07:47It's a good analysis there, Paul.
00:07:48But I'm wondering, Josh Ritter, to you, do you take a different meaning from that?
00:07:52Because, you know, when you say detained, you think they're holding him.
00:07:56We know they're holding him.
00:07:57He's not.
00:07:58He can just walk out the door.
00:07:59But what are the legal ramifications here of not going to the next step,
00:08:03not calling him a person of interest, not calling him a suspect?
00:08:09Yeah, to dovetail off of what Paul said, detained means not free to go,
00:08:14which also means you need to have probable cause to hold that person.
00:08:17So they have some information that is enough to just not consensually contact and question that person,
00:08:24but hold that person against their own will to question them further.
00:08:28I think what's happening here is they're being careful because they've got information,
00:08:34whether or not that's connected to the crime is unclear at this point,
00:08:37or that person could be connected to the person that they believe is connected to the crime,
00:08:43that they want to question that person.
00:08:44They have valuable information.
00:08:45They're just not letting us know that they have enough at this point to make an arrest.
00:08:51But I'll say this, after the time that we've gone through,
00:08:54the amount of days that have passed where there has been almost zero movement,
00:08:58and it was becoming a very dire situation where we were beginning to feel there were no breaks in this case,
00:09:03to have as much movement as we have had today with the release of that surveillance video
00:09:07from the Department of Justice, and then follow that within hours of the SWAT team moving out here.
00:09:12And now we're hearing that someone has been detained.
00:09:15I'd say it's all a lot of movement and very encouraging.
00:09:18And Paul Morrow, very quickly back to you, it's interesting that we were also kind of, we were told,
00:09:25listen, we should also make it very clear that there is no connection, maybe connection is a bad word,
00:09:32that there is no sign of Nancy Guthrie being found.
00:09:36And I'm wondering if the early going of this person who was detained,
00:09:41if the early going, if the questioning goes down that path, or do they take a lighter touch?
00:09:47Are they looking for other things initially to kind of put them in the right ballpark
00:09:52and then go deeper with questioning about Nancy Guthrie?
00:09:56Well, we know that there's a lot of activity still going on in and around the home of Nancy Guthrie,
00:10:03that they have a lot of teams out there that are still searching around.
00:10:06So they certainly don't feel like they've gotten to the bottom of this entire thing.
00:10:10If they do believe that this is somebody who has some information as to her whereabouts,
00:10:15sure, they're going to press hard to the 84-year-old woman, and they're going to make it very clear.
00:10:19What we should recognize, however, is that this is the kind of thing,
00:10:23especially if he's on his own here, if it wasn't about money,
00:10:26it's going to be the kind of thing that he just really made total line
00:10:29and did not want to give a lot of money back here.
00:10:33That argument may be they're not at this point looking to boom a door someplace or something like that.
00:10:38So I would argue that right now this thing is very much in flux.
00:10:42But as these things very often happen, it's going to happen in the wee hours overnight.
00:10:46So we could get a lot of movement tonight.
00:10:49So the movement tonight, Josh Ritter, I'm wondering what you think.
00:10:52I mean, what's the timing here?
00:10:53How long can you keep this person before you have to charge him?
00:10:56How long can they question him before he lawyers up and takes the fifth?
00:11:01What is the timing here?
00:11:03Is it important to get on this fast if you're looking for somebody who is off her medication
00:11:09for all intents and purposes and timing is still of the essence?
00:11:13Does the pressure ratchet up a little bit in your estimation?
00:11:17No, you're absolutely right.
00:11:19There is a sense of urgency because of her medical condition.
00:11:21I'm sure they're pressing upon him to try to get as much information as they can, quickly as they can.
00:11:26But you make an excellent point.
00:11:27That person could lawyer up, and they could lawyer up immediately.
00:11:30And that would shut down even any questioning, detained, not detained, arrested or not arrested.
00:11:35That would shut down any questioning.
00:11:36So hopefully, perhaps this idea of keeping that person detained and not making an arrest
00:11:41is making it easier for them to get that back and forth of communication open,
00:11:47those lines of communication open, and get some valuable information out of this person.
00:11:52Because like I said, this is the...
00:11:54Like I said, this is the...
00:11:56I've had in over a week now.
00:11:58We're going into day 10.
00:12:01Yeah, it really is.
00:12:03Josh, Paul, stand by very quickly if you would.
00:12:05I want to bring in Chris Clem, and people will ask,
00:12:07why is the Border Patrol chief involved in this?
00:12:10Well, what people don't realize, Chris Clem,
00:12:12is that the Border Patrol was very heavily involved in this search
00:12:15and has been from day one.
00:12:17Yeah, that's correct.
00:12:18I mean, Chase, when we first heard about this,
00:12:21within, I think, the first 24 to 36 hours,
00:12:24Border Patrol Search and Rescue, our track and trailing dogs,
00:12:26we're here on scene.
00:12:28You know, Border Patrol agents, traditionally, we are sign cutters.
00:12:31We're looking for evidence and tracks.
00:12:33So if the subject, if Nancy, if any of them would have left this area on foot in the desert,
00:12:42you know, the tracks would have been there.
00:12:43The evidence would have been there.
00:12:45And Border Patrol, I have confidence,
00:12:47they would have tracked them out until it was resolved.
00:12:49Now, whether it was resolved within a vehicle, another house, or something else,
00:12:52but the tracks and evidence were very important,
00:12:55and they're perishable within those first couple hours and days.
00:12:59We have great track and trailing detection dogs.
00:13:01We would have used it.
00:13:02So if she was here or that suspect was here,
00:13:04I think they would have found evidence.
00:13:06And, again, what it shows is cooperation at the highest levels early on in this.
00:13:11And, again, it also shows that every case is complex.
00:13:14There is no routine case.
00:13:16And it only gets harder and harder as we move along.
00:13:19It's interesting because you were talking about when you first arrived,
00:13:22and I said they have somebody in detention.
00:13:24And you said, wow, I just left.
00:13:26It happened so fast.
00:13:27I mean, this day was a, was a, just,
00:13:29and what did you think about,
00:13:33are you surprised that they have somebody detained at this hour?
00:13:37Not surprised.
00:13:38Here's why.
00:13:38We finally had the information revealed
00:13:41so we could actually see the suspect on the camera, right?
00:13:44Very telling.
00:13:45But, look, somebody being detained, that's just information.
00:13:48Right now we look at information collection.
00:13:50Hopefully we get information into actionable intelligence
00:13:54to where we can actually go get this suspect
00:13:56or find out if this person of interest,
00:13:58this person detained is somebody we really need to be concerned with.
00:14:02I'm excited in a very dark circumstance
00:14:05that we've got some movement on this.
00:14:07But I didn't, it wasn't surprising to me
00:14:09giving the information that went out today,
00:14:11finally, with the evidence from the camera.
00:14:14There are a lot of people excited.
00:14:15You can imagine the Guthrie family,
00:14:17how excited they are because, you know,
00:14:18at the very least, you now have promise.
00:14:21You now have promise.
00:14:22And this thing, as fast as today went,
00:14:26this thing could, you know,
00:14:27this thing could repair itself in the next few hours.
00:14:30And I think that's the key part about this.
00:14:32What's talked about a lot in these kinds of situation
00:14:35is the timing here.
00:14:37And I want to bring in Kirk Knudson on this
00:14:39because I'm going to play a soundbite.
00:14:41This is Harvey Levin of TMZ.
00:14:43And he was talking about the Bitcoin wallet, right?
00:14:47Remember that one of the ransom letters,
00:14:49the first ransom letter that was sent to TMZ,
00:14:51it was also sent to a couple of the affiliates
00:14:54here in the Tucson area.
00:14:55But the ransom letter had the Bitcoin purse,
00:15:01for lack of a better term.
00:15:02Had the Bitcoin purse.
00:15:04They wanted the $6 million sent to this.
00:15:06So at CNN was on, Harvey Levin was on CNN
00:15:10and he was asked about the Bitcoin
00:15:13and he said there was some activity.
00:15:15He said the following.
00:15:18So about 12 minutes ago,
00:15:21we saw activity in that account.
00:15:24Activity like what?
00:15:39That's what I can't talk about.
00:15:41There are reasons I can't,
00:15:43but all I can say is there is now activity
00:15:47in that Bitcoin account.
00:15:49Okay, now let me just ask one more question
00:15:52and you'll share with me what you can.
00:15:54But when you say activity,
00:15:56is that that you can see money is going into the account
00:15:58or are you able to tell whether it's money going in
00:16:00or going out?
00:16:03Well, it would only show,
00:16:05as I understand this,
00:16:06money going in.
00:16:08And the only thing you would see is money.
00:16:10And Aaron, that's all I can say.
00:16:12So there you have it.
00:16:16I mean, Kurt, you've got money going in to this.
00:16:18And I'm wondering about the timing here
00:16:20because we first ran that soundbite
00:16:23during Sean Hannity's hour.
00:16:25And it was talking about, you know, the purse
00:16:27and, you know, making sure that we were right
00:16:30about who was actually in this purse.
00:16:32And I'm wondering if you can give us any guidance
00:16:35because it wasn't long after that conversation
00:16:38between Harvey Levin and the word got out
00:16:42from a local affiliate here
00:16:44that it was actually $300 in that Bitcoin purse.
00:16:48Is there a connection?
00:16:50Does the FBI, was that something they picked up on
00:16:53that might have led them to this person
00:16:55who is now detained, Kurt?
00:16:58Hey, Trace, yeah, we can evolve this story again.
00:17:01We're talking about exchange to find out,
00:17:05okay, is this active?
00:17:06Is it working?
00:17:07Okay, yeah, our deposit's received.
00:17:09It could be a precursor to a larger amount.
00:17:11It could also be as simple as somebody
00:17:13also just screwing with us.
00:17:14And in fact, if Bitcoin is so public
00:17:17and these accounts are so public
00:17:19that it's more or less anybody can access them
00:17:22and establish money into a wallet.
00:17:25So with regard to that,
00:17:26what we're going to look for is a much more sizable amount,
00:17:30but this activity or this warmup means something.
00:17:33And you keep your eye on this
00:17:34because there is a process to Bitcoin
00:17:37that we have our eye on,
00:17:39that investigators have their eyes on,
00:17:41that you want to be aware of.
00:17:45Yeah, I mean, that's what everybody is kind of looking at here, Kurt.
00:17:49You're right.
00:17:49I mean, we talked earlier today
00:17:51because I was fascinated by the video, right?
00:17:55The video is what opened the door for all of this.
00:17:57And just to kind of take our viewers through this,
00:18:00we remember yesterday afternoon,
00:18:01we were kind of getting ready to do our show.
00:18:04We were putting our rundown together.
00:18:06And I was wondering, okay, so what do you think?
00:18:09What is the real big news today
00:18:13in the Nancy Guthrie disappearance?
00:18:15And then seconds later, you had Savannah Guthrie come out
00:18:19and she was asking people for public help.
00:18:21She wanted the public's help.
00:18:23It was the first time.
00:18:24She had been talking pretty much directly
00:18:26to those people who sent the ransom notes.
00:18:29It was the first time.
00:18:30She had been talking pretty much directly
00:18:33to those people who sent the ransom notes earlier.
00:18:36And now she was asking the public's help.
00:18:38And it was kind of baffling,
00:18:39like why is she looking for the public's help?
00:18:41And then today the video was released
00:18:44and the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff
00:18:47started asking for the public's help
00:18:49and the public helped.
00:18:51They did their job.
00:18:52And I was asking you,
00:18:54why did it take 10 days, 9 days plus,
00:18:58Kurt, to get this video from whatever cloud it was in
00:19:03to actually, to the point where we saw it today viewed?
00:19:07And the answer was fascinating.
00:19:09What was the answer?
00:19:11Well, the question on everybody's mind is about that.
00:19:14So you and I might have a camera that records video
00:19:17and it saves it on a card or up on the cloud
00:19:19as we've talked about.
00:19:20But in this particular case,
00:19:22we know that this was a Nest video doorbell camera.
00:19:24And oftentimes, in many cases,
00:19:28local information is stored on devices that we own
00:19:31that we don't even know about.
00:19:32We may, for example, have an app tied to our doorbell
00:19:35that we say, tell us when someone's there
00:19:38or when there's motion.
00:19:39Well, that doesn't mean the device itself
00:19:42isn't recording a whole lot more of that.
00:19:45So what investigators have been able to do
00:19:47is follow the trail on this.
00:19:49And the way that looks is,
00:19:51Trace, they're going to first,
00:19:52it's going to be the FBI.
00:19:53The FBI is going to search and get a warrant.
00:19:56They're going to go, in this case, to Google
00:19:57because Google is the one that acquired Nest.
00:20:00So this camera, they think, might have something on it.
00:20:03And they were right.
00:20:04So what happens is these teams get together
00:20:07once they're past that legal hurdle.
00:20:09There's some time we just lost.
00:20:11And now they're working together.
00:20:13And I don't mean they're just trying
00:20:14to download something from it.
00:20:16It's about recreating data.
00:20:18It's about trying to decipher zeros and ones.
00:20:21And it takes a mountain of time
00:20:24and a lot of very skillful work
00:20:26to bring that together.
00:20:27So, for example, in this case,
00:20:29there is a possibility,
00:20:31and I've further investigated
00:20:32since you and I talked earlier today.
00:20:34Now, some...
00:20:36...to about the last video that was on it.
00:20:40Now, so that means that if this suspect
00:20:44was actually successful
00:20:46at disabling that camera,
00:20:49and I don't have the answer to that,
00:20:50but if he was successful
00:20:52at disabling that camera,
00:20:54then he just created
00:20:56some incriminating evidence
00:20:58against this crime
00:20:59because that means that may have said,
00:21:04okay, this is the last hour of recording.
00:21:07And then when police and other investigators
00:21:10got their hands on that one,
00:21:11including the sheriff,
00:21:12they were able to then activate it
00:21:14back to a cloud account
00:21:16because we've heard
00:21:17that the doorbell
00:21:18was not on a cloud subscription, right?
00:21:22So what some Nest cameras will do
00:21:25when you establish it back
00:21:26to the subscription
00:21:28is it will give you
00:21:29that last hour of video
00:21:31that it saw.
00:21:33You're seeing...
00:21:35...this pieced together
00:21:36incredible forensic work.
00:21:38It's one or the other,
00:21:40and it's extraordinary that we have it,
00:21:42and this is going to lead us somewhere.
00:21:46It is a huge piece of the puzzle.
00:21:48I wanted to bring in this work
00:21:50because FBI John Nance
00:21:52was talking about
00:21:53what it was like
00:21:54to work with Google.
00:21:56It's call for number six.
00:21:57Greg, play this.
00:22:00Thank God for the Trump administration
00:22:02and Kash Patel's
00:22:04reprioritization
00:22:07and revamping
00:22:09of the FBI's priorities.
00:22:11We're seeing tremendous work
00:22:13being done by the FBI,
00:22:14and this is a case in point.
00:22:16Going to Google
00:22:16and actually reconstructing
00:22:19this video footage
00:22:20is a tremendous,
00:22:21tremendous bit
00:22:22of forensic work.
00:22:24And I'm wondering,
00:22:28Kurt,
00:22:28if you believe,
00:22:29as many others do,
00:22:31there might be...
00:22:32Might there be more video
00:22:34that is available
00:22:35that could...
00:22:36That could paint
00:22:37a better picture for us
00:22:39of what happened
00:22:39on the porch that night?
00:22:41So I don't know
00:22:42if there's more length of video,
00:22:45but what I can tell you
00:22:45is AI now plays
00:22:47an enormous role
00:22:48for investigators.
00:22:49So what we're seeing now
00:22:51may be a low-resolution idea
00:22:56of what they're releasing.
00:22:58What there is...
00:22:58Enhance this video,
00:23:00and I don't mean
00:23:00add anything to it,
00:23:01but simply make it
00:23:03better and better and better
00:23:04to where that focus
00:23:06on the eyes,
00:23:07that focus on the detail
00:23:09of the fabric,
00:23:10that focus on the brand
00:23:11of backpack
00:23:12becomes crystal clear.
00:23:15And we're starting
00:23:16to be able to see
00:23:17some things that
00:23:18AI is unleashing
00:23:20that we would have
00:23:20never as humans.
00:23:21I don't care how smart we are.
00:23:23I don't care how many of us...
00:23:25I don't care how smart...
00:23:28I don't care how many of us
00:23:29are working on it.
00:23:31AI can do so much more
00:23:32with regard to making images
00:23:35incredibly crystal clear.
00:23:38Yeah, I want to play
00:23:39a little flashback,
00:23:40and I'm going to kind of
00:23:41get your take on this
00:23:42because we were told,
00:23:43remember that it was
00:23:44when that camera
00:23:45at 12 minutes after 2 o'clock
00:23:47in the morning on February 1st,
00:23:49it caught a glimpse
00:23:50of something.
00:23:50We were first told
00:23:51it might have been an animal,
00:23:52and it was kind of walked back.
00:23:54But we had the sheriff,
00:23:55Sheriff Nanos,
00:23:56here in Pima County.
00:23:58He was talking about...
00:24:00This is on last Thursday.
00:24:02He was talking about
00:24:03that they actually ran
00:24:05out of technology
00:24:06to recover...
00:24:082.12 a.m. software
00:24:11detects a person
00:24:13on a camera,
00:24:14but there's no video available.
00:24:16They had no subscription.
00:24:18That's what our
00:24:19analysis teams have told us.
00:24:22The tech company
00:24:23that we sent that camera off to,
00:24:25yes, they've said
00:24:26they've run out of ways to...
00:24:29I mean, Kurt,
00:24:31they found some good ways
00:24:33to work with Google,
00:24:34and here we are.
00:24:35When you have the FBI
00:24:37on your side
00:24:38and they have this kind of
00:24:40energy going into
00:24:41the focus of resolving this case,
00:24:44this is what works,
00:24:45and they have incredible tools
00:24:48that can make this come together
00:24:50unlike other things
00:24:51we've seen before.
00:24:52Period.
00:24:55Yeah.
00:24:55Kurt, stand by if you would.
00:24:57I'm going to go back
00:24:58to Paul Morrow,
00:24:59Josh Ritter,
00:25:00the team at the Sheriff's Station,
00:25:01for us.
00:25:02A little bit of breaking news
00:25:03for you, Paul Morrow here.
00:25:05Our understanding is
00:25:06that this person
00:25:08who has been detained
00:25:09was actually apprehended,
00:25:11stopped during a traffic stop.
00:25:14Does that surprise you at all?
00:25:18No.
00:25:19What it does suggest
00:25:20is that they had him
00:25:21ID'd, obviously,
00:25:22beforehand
00:25:22because they knew
00:25:23to look for his car.
00:25:24Maybe they were telling him
00:25:25to see where he was going.
00:25:26They might have acquired him
00:25:27significantly earlier
00:25:28than we all know
00:25:29in hopes that he would
00:25:31lead them to Nancy.
00:25:32So I'm not surprised at all.
00:25:34We've all said
00:25:35from the beginning
00:25:36that vehicle stuff
00:25:37was going to play
00:25:38a very, very big part
00:25:39in this,
00:25:40and we don't know
00:25:41how this went,
00:25:41but they might have
00:25:42had an identity.
00:25:43They might have put it
00:25:44into the LPRs,
00:25:45the license plate readers.
00:25:46He tripped one of those.
00:25:47They scrambled out there
00:25:47to grab him,
00:25:48and they pulled him over
00:25:49during the traffic stop,
00:25:51and that's the kind of thing
00:25:52you're going to go hard.
00:25:53You're going to make sure
00:25:54that a person,
00:25:55if you think it,
00:25:56is somebody who had
00:25:57something to do
00:25:57with something as awful as this,
00:25:59you're going to go in
00:26:00with the troops
00:26:01to make sure
00:26:02you take this person
00:26:03who can lead you
00:26:04potentially to Nancy Guthrie,
00:26:06and you want to get them
00:26:07talking to you.
00:26:08So, no,
00:26:09I'm not surprised at all.
00:26:12Yeah, I mean,
00:26:13it was interesting to me,
00:26:14and it was kind of surprising
00:26:15to me because we had been
00:26:16reporting all evening long.
00:26:17We talked about how,
00:26:19you know,
00:26:19the sheriff's office
00:26:20was working with local police
00:26:21to put together a SWAT team.
00:26:23They sent two SWAT team units
00:26:24out south of Tucson.
00:26:32We heard about a bomb squad
00:26:34with a command vehicle
00:26:35being sent south of Tucson.
00:26:38We heard about,
00:26:38you know,
00:26:39the FBI's hostage negotiation team
00:26:41being brought in
00:26:43to the Tucson area.
00:26:44So it was our understanding
00:26:46that they might have had
00:26:48some key tip,
00:26:48but this thing was,
00:26:50this thing was going to be
00:26:52a mission, Paul Morrow.
00:26:53When I heard traffic stop,
00:26:55I thought,
00:26:56I guess they must have found
00:26:58some car some way.
00:27:00I'm just not sure what way.
00:27:04Right.
00:27:04So, look,
00:27:05they had an ID on one of two things,
00:27:07either the car
00:27:07or the person driving the car.
00:27:09And generally,
00:27:10if you get the car,
00:27:11you're going to get the person
00:27:12that the car comes back to
00:27:13or a series of people.
00:27:15So you could postulate
00:27:16that they had a location,
00:27:18they went out,
00:27:18they hit it,
00:27:19the person was no longer there.
00:27:21That means they had an ID,
00:27:22as I said.
00:27:22They went out looking for him
00:27:23and he tripped an LPR
00:27:25and they scrambled after him.
00:27:27And as I said,
00:27:28it doesn't surprise me.
00:27:29It also doesn't surprise me
00:27:30that they had all these assets
00:27:31in the field
00:27:32because if they had
00:27:33that kind of a lead,
00:27:34they know they're dealing
00:27:35with a very, very bad guy here.
00:27:38And they don't want to go in
00:27:39in any way, shape or form
00:27:41other than
00:27:42with total force superiority
00:27:44to take him
00:27:46so that he has no questions
00:27:47in his mind
00:27:48about fighting it out
00:27:50because you need him
00:27:50to talk to you
00:27:51because the bigger equity here
00:27:53obviously is Nancy Guthrie.
00:27:57Yeah, which is my next question
00:27:58to Josh Ritter,
00:27:59which is, you know,
00:28:01this is a person
00:28:01that you send out.
00:28:03I mean, you send out
00:28:04all these assets
00:28:04and you send out
00:28:05the SWAT teams
00:28:06and you also need
00:28:07this person
00:28:08to be able
00:28:09to communicate with you
00:28:10because you are still
00:28:11missing a woman.
00:28:12And even after you pull
00:28:13somebody over
00:28:13and you think
00:28:14they are the right person,
00:28:15Josh, you still need cooperation
00:28:18if you are to bring
00:28:19this mom home.
00:28:23Absolutely.
00:28:23You're hoping for that.
00:28:24So, yes,
00:28:25you're going to have to be
00:28:26a little bit of a soft touch
00:28:27in the way that you
00:28:28approach this person.
00:28:29You don't want them
00:28:29to do all of this too.
00:28:32When the video came out
00:28:33and we're starting to see
00:28:34the images of this suspect,
00:28:35this is not only the first time
00:28:37the public is seeing it,
00:28:38it's also the first time
00:28:39that law enforcement
00:28:40is seeing it,
00:28:41local law enforcement.
00:28:42Local law enforcement
00:28:42is very familiar
00:28:43with the ongoing
00:28:46criminal activity
00:28:47in their area.
00:28:48Knowing what this person
00:28:50has done,
00:28:50seeing their activity
00:28:51in this video,
00:28:52likely a person
00:28:53that has come into contact
00:28:54with police before.
00:28:55It could have been
00:28:56local law officers
00:28:57took a look at that
00:28:58and said,
00:28:59I know who that is
00:29:00or that looks like
00:29:01a lot like a person
00:29:03I've dealt with before.
00:29:04Be on the lookout
00:29:05for this individual
00:29:06and then you get
00:29:07a traffic stop
00:29:08that leads to this apprehension.
00:29:11Yeah, it's interesting
00:29:13that Josh just used
00:29:14the word suspect
00:29:15when he's talking about
00:29:16the person who was caught
00:29:17on the video
00:29:18in front of the doorstep
00:29:20of Nancy Guthrie,
00:29:22Paul Morrow,
00:29:22because, you know,
00:29:23it wasn't for most
00:29:24of the day today,
00:29:25even with the video,
00:29:26even Nancy Guthrie,
00:29:29Paul Morrow,
00:29:30you know,
00:29:30it wasn't for most
00:29:31of the day today,
00:29:32even with the video,
00:29:33even with the mask,
00:29:35even with the backpack
00:29:35and the gun,
00:29:36the police were
00:29:37very reticent
00:29:38to call this person
00:29:39anything more
00:29:40than a subject,
00:29:42not a suspect.
00:29:44What do you think
00:29:44about that?
00:29:49Paul.
00:29:50Me?
00:29:50Oh, I'm sorry.
00:29:51Yeah, I think
00:29:52they're just being
00:29:52super careful.
00:29:53I'm sorry, Trace.
00:29:54They're just being
00:29:55super careful here.
00:29:56You know,
00:29:57they want to make sure
00:29:57that they don't
00:29:58over-promise
00:29:59and under-deliver.
00:30:00It also tells me
00:30:00they're not entirely sure
00:30:02what they have here.
00:30:04You know,
00:30:04they know he goes to it.
00:30:05I would be interested
00:30:06in the following.
00:30:07What was he doing
00:30:08at the time?
00:30:08Was he fleeing?
00:30:10Was he going to a location
00:30:11that they can't ascertain?
00:30:14I suspect that
00:30:15if they really thought
00:30:16this was the guy,
00:30:16they would give him
00:30:17a little bit of leeway
00:30:19to see if he could lead them
00:30:20to Nancy Guthrie.
00:30:22So,
00:30:22I would have that question,
00:30:24but in terms of saying
00:30:25he's being detained
00:30:26right now,
00:30:26I think they don't want
00:30:27to get out over their skis.
00:30:28They want to see
00:30:29what he can tell them
00:30:30because they really
00:30:31want to find out,
00:30:32as I said,
00:30:33where Nancy is.
00:30:33The key thing right now
00:30:34is if this is something,
00:30:36whether it's the main guy
00:30:36or not,
00:30:37you want to see
00:30:38if this person
00:30:38is going to give you
00:30:39that key piece
00:30:40of information
00:30:41about, you know,
00:30:42where Nancy Guthrie
00:30:43might be.
00:30:44And so,
00:30:44as a result,
00:30:45they don't want to say,
00:30:46okay,
00:30:46this is the person
00:30:47that changes
00:30:47the entire dynamic.
00:30:49And you know what
00:30:49they also know
00:30:50is that there's
00:30:51a lot of media
00:30:51out there
00:30:52who are trying
00:30:52to find
00:30:52where all this
00:30:53is happening.
00:30:54And so,
00:30:54they probably want
00:30:55to tempt things
00:30:55down a little bit
00:30:56and go cautiously.
00:30:59Yeah,
00:30:59and that was
00:31:00my next question,
00:31:00Josh.
00:31:01I mean,
00:31:01that's the whole thing
00:31:01is if you,
00:31:03we don't know.
00:31:04We have no idea
00:31:04if they knew
00:31:05about this person
00:31:06they were going
00:31:06to detain
00:31:07or at least follow
00:31:08early this morning.
00:31:10Is it one of those
00:31:11cases where
00:31:12you want to watch,
00:31:13you want to sit back,
00:31:14you've got a lot
00:31:15of assets
00:31:16in this region.
00:31:17You're going out,
00:31:17you're scanning.
00:31:18I mean,
00:31:18we saw the FBI agents
00:31:21were at Annie Guthrie's
00:31:23neighborhood,
00:31:24and they were
00:31:24out there
00:31:25for the better part
00:31:26of the day
00:31:26and evening.
00:31:27They might still
00:31:27be out there,
00:31:28Josh.
00:31:29They were going
00:31:29door to door
00:31:31and they were
00:31:32talking with people
00:31:32going through
00:31:34some of the
00:31:35plants in the bushes
00:31:36looking for what.
00:31:37We have no idea.
00:31:39But you wonder
00:31:40if they kind of
00:31:41had an idea
00:31:42and would that
00:31:43be the process
00:31:44to be able
00:31:44to sit tight
00:31:45to see if maybe
00:31:46this person
00:31:47will lead you
00:31:48down the road
00:31:49to Nancy Guthrie.
00:31:52Absolutely.
00:31:52It's not going
00:31:54to do you much
00:31:54good to apprehend
00:31:55the person
00:31:56if you don't
00:31:56have the location
00:31:57of where that
00:31:57person's returning
00:31:58to where perhaps
00:31:59Nancy Guthrie's
00:32:00going to be.
00:32:01So you're absolutely
00:32:01right.
00:32:02This person could
00:32:02have been under
00:32:03surveillance by
00:32:04officers all day
00:32:05long today.
00:32:06If they had
00:32:06information early
00:32:07on, it's not
00:32:08smart to just go
00:32:09out and grab
00:32:09that person if
00:32:10you don't have
00:32:11that person at
00:32:12where they're
00:32:13living, storage
00:32:14location, off-site
00:32:16location where they
00:32:17might be hiding
00:32:17out, where she
00:32:18could possibly be.
00:32:19It's a really
00:32:20good point.
00:32:20Yeah, a really
00:32:23good point.
00:32:23And stand by
00:32:24very good.
00:32:24We've got more
00:32:25breaking news
00:32:25coming in.
00:32:26I want to bring
00:32:26Chris Clem in on
00:32:27this because the
00:32:28New York Times is
00:32:29now reporting that
00:32:30this person who was
00:32:31detained was detained
00:32:33in Rio Rico,
00:32:34Arizona.
00:32:35It's about an hour
00:32:36south of Tucson.
00:32:37And remember,
00:32:38Tucson is only 65
00:32:39miles from the
00:32:40border.
00:32:40So this, Rio Rico,
00:32:42is very near the
00:32:43border, Chris Clem,
00:32:45which is where you
00:32:46come back in.
00:32:46The Border Patrol
00:32:47comes back in.
00:32:48And that's absolutely.
00:32:50I mean, this is what
00:32:52we're talking about
00:32:52with the cooperation,
00:32:53information sharing.
00:32:54It changes the
00:32:55dynamic.
00:32:56It changes the
00:32:56pace, the speed, and
00:32:57what needs to happen.
00:32:58Rio Rico is a
00:32:59subdivision, an area
00:33:00between here and
00:33:01Nogales.
00:33:02But yeah, depending on
00:33:03the circumstances, this
00:33:05would have been an
00:33:05opportunity to make a
00:33:06break south to get
00:33:07into Mexico and buy
00:33:08them some more time.
00:33:09That's the other
00:33:10thing.
00:33:10This video information
00:33:11is exciting, but it
00:33:12also, I believe, is
00:33:13going to shorten that
00:33:14timeline because now
00:33:16everybody has eyes on,
00:33:17including the suspect.
00:33:18But it becomes a chase
00:33:19at that point in time.
00:33:20I mean, we know we saw
00:33:21the SWAT teams come out
00:33:22of there, and we're
00:33:23assuming that somebody
00:33:24from the FBI and or
00:33:26Pima County actually
00:33:28went down to Rio Rico
00:33:29and caught them.
00:33:30And I'm wondering to
00:33:31you, would they, if they
00:33:32felt they were behind
00:33:33the gun, if they felt
00:33:34that this person was
00:33:35close, would they have
00:33:35contacted your agency
00:33:37and said, we need help.
00:33:39We think this car might
00:33:40be coming your way.
00:33:41I truly think this is a
00:33:42whole-of-government
00:33:43approach now, starting
00:33:44from the FBI, we know
00:33:45the president has
00:33:46spoken about, to give
00:33:48all the resources.
00:33:49Definitely be contacting
00:33:51Border Protection to make
00:33:52sure the ports are aware
00:33:53and the checkpoints that
00:33:55come north out of Rio
00:33:56Rico in that area and put
00:33:57Border Patrolians on alert
00:33:59in case they come across
00:34:00somebody doing some
00:34:00suspicious things away
00:34:01from common areas out
00:34:03in the desert, but
00:34:03definitely our southbound
00:34:04operations going back
00:34:06into Mexico in case this
00:34:07person tried to flee the
00:34:07country.
00:34:08And if this person does
00:34:09flee the country, let's
00:34:10say that he made the
00:34:11extra eight miles or nine
00:34:12miles before they pulled
00:34:14him over, do we get to go
00:34:15in after him?
00:34:16What are the laws on that
00:34:18or do we have to contact
00:34:20the Mexican government
00:34:21and say we need help?
00:34:22We'll be working with
00:34:23our partners in Mexico.
00:34:24We'll be letting them
00:34:25know.
00:34:25And this, you know,
00:34:26politics aside, when it
00:34:27comes down to life-saving
00:34:28efforts and law
00:34:29enforcement, we're going
00:34:30to have that relationship.
00:34:31There's going to be
00:34:32phone calls made.
00:34:33And plus, we've got FBI
00:34:34and international liaisons
00:34:35embedded all across the
00:34:37country of Mexico.
00:34:38They'll work with us on
00:34:38this if this was the case.
00:34:39We're not going to chase
00:34:40them into Mexico as that
00:34:41becomes a problem.
00:34:42Paul Morrow, Josh Ritter,
00:34:43back to you.
00:34:44Paul Morrow, your thoughts
00:34:45on Rio Rico, Arizona,
00:34:47which is very close to the
00:34:49Mexican border.
00:34:50And, you know, Tucson is
00:34:51only 65 miles.
00:34:53It sounds to me, we don't
00:34:55know, but it sounds to me
00:34:56like they were aware,
00:34:58somebody was aware that
00:34:59somebody was trying to
00:35:00make a run and they
00:35:01decided it was better to
00:35:03apprehend him as quickly as
00:35:04possible.
00:35:05And it sounds like it was
00:35:07right near the edge.
00:35:09Yeah, it does give that
00:35:13atmospheric, doesn't it, that
00:35:14he was trying to get to the
00:35:15border.
00:35:15Now, that doesn't mean he's
00:35:16Mexican.
00:35:16It could be an American who's
00:35:18just trying to get over the
00:35:18border to flee, knows a
00:35:20checkpoint where he can get
00:35:21through very easily, et cetera.
00:35:23It's a checkpoint where he
00:35:26very easily, et cetera.
00:35:28It is troubling, though, because
00:35:30if he has familiarity with the
00:35:31border, it goes to the
00:35:32difficulty of trying to get
00:35:34Nancy back.
00:35:34I always felt like that
00:35:36would have been a big risk to
00:35:37take Nancy over the border.
00:35:39It's just an added risk that
00:35:41you wouldn't want to take.
00:35:42But it does argue that, look,
00:35:44they were going to maybe give
00:35:45him a little bit of time.
00:35:47You can do things with a car
00:35:48relative to following it and
00:35:49tracking it that you might have
00:35:52been comfortable with leaving
00:35:53him out there for a while to
00:35:54see if he leads you to Nancy.
00:35:56But once he's getting near the
00:35:57border, as it sounds like he
00:35:59was, you've got to say we
00:36:00cannot take a risk in losing
00:36:02him.
00:36:02It's very common in law
00:36:03enforcement where you have this
00:36:04continuum where you say, do we
00:36:06leave them out there or do we
00:36:08do this now because we don't
00:36:09want to lose him.
00:36:10If we lose him, there's no
00:36:11getting him back.
00:36:12Sounds to me like it's entirely
00:36:14possible they were playing that
00:36:16kind of game, saw him heading
00:36:17south fast and said, you know
00:36:19what, enough's enough.
00:36:20He's got to go and we'll take
00:36:21him now.
00:36:23Yeah, and Josh Ritter to you
00:36:24because, yeah, maybe there is a
00:36:25chance you're going to get him
00:36:26back and likely the Mexican
00:36:28government would work with the
00:36:30U.S.
00:36:30authorities to get him back.
00:36:31The question becomes it's more
00:36:33time.
00:36:34It's just costing you more time
00:36:35and you've got to go through the
00:36:37process and you've got to bring
00:36:38him back and that's more time
00:36:39that you don't know where Nancy
00:36:41Guthrie is if this person, in
00:36:43fact, knows where Nancy Guthrie is.
00:36:47Yeah, you're absolutely right.
00:36:49You don't have that kind of
00:36:51luxury here in this case.
00:36:52You're not dealing with this
00:36:53typical case where you're just
00:36:54simply trying to apprehend a
00:36:55criminal.
00:36:57You're also trying to save a life
00:36:58potentially.
00:36:59And with each day that goes by
00:37:00knowing her medical condition,
00:37:02knowing what what how she's being
00:37:04held, what conditions those are
00:37:06under, you're very concerned with
00:37:08acting with absolute alacrity and
00:37:10all of this.
00:37:11You know, a point, too, I think
00:37:13that we shouldn't miss on this is
00:37:14they could have had this suspect,
00:37:17person of interest, whoever it is,
00:37:20in mind before they released this
00:37:23recent video.
00:37:24And once that video is released,
00:37:26that person monitoring the
00:37:28border, maybe we've seen this
00:37:32action taken today, is that that
00:37:34essentially smoked that person out.
00:37:38Yeah, it's a very good point.
00:37:40I want to bring in former police
00:37:41officer Randy Sutton, who joins us
00:37:43now.
00:37:44Randy, I mean, you hear Josh Ritter
00:37:45there saying, hey, listen, maybe
00:37:47they knew who this person was.
00:37:49Again, we are this person is being
00:37:52detained and they have been out
00:37:54outspoken to say not arrested,
00:37:56detained, not a suspect, not a
00:37:59person of interest, just somebody
00:38:00who is being detained and clearly
00:38:02questioned Randy Sutton.
00:38:04But, you know, when when you when
00:38:07you know this video is coming out,
00:38:10it might be it might be the smoke
00:38:13amount category.
00:38:14What do you think?
00:38:17Yeah, absolutely right.
00:38:18And we know with the attention that
00:38:20this has been getting in the media,
00:38:21you know that this individual was
00:38:23watching the media very, very closely.
00:38:25Now, when it comes down to the
00:38:27detention, you know, there's a
00:38:29there's a legal time period with
00:38:32which you can detain someone before
00:38:34actually placing them under arrest.
00:38:36So we're going to be watching this
00:38:37very, very closely to see how long
00:38:40they detain this individual while they
00:38:42are questioning them.
00:38:43And the fact of the matter is that
00:38:45if they don't if they don't have
00:38:48enough probable cause to make the
00:38:50arrest, then they're going to have to
00:38:51release them.
00:38:52So my guess is that they wouldn't
00:38:54have made this this vehicle stop and
00:38:57this detention unless they had
00:38:59enough to go on where they weren't
00:39:01going to be a release of this guy
00:39:03anytime soon.
00:39:05Yeah.
00:39:05When you talk about enough to go on,
00:39:07it's a good time for us to bring in
00:39:09the director of the FBI, Cash Patel,
00:39:11who was on Sean Hannity's show tonight.
00:39:13And he was talking about the fact that
00:39:16they had made substantial progress on
00:39:20persons of interest.
00:39:22Here's what he said.
00:39:24I will say we have made
00:39:25persons of interest, he said.
00:39:30I will say we have made substantial
00:39:32progress in these last 36, 48 hours
00:39:34thanks to the technical capabilities of
00:39:35the FBI and our partnerships.
00:39:37And I do believe we are looking at
00:39:39people who, as we say, are persons of
00:39:41interest.
00:39:42But as you know, with any
00:39:43investigation, you are a person of
00:39:45interest until you're either eliminated
00:39:47or you're actually found to be the
00:39:48culprit or the culprits involved.
00:39:50And that's the stage we're at right
00:39:51now.
00:39:53Yeah.
00:39:53Legal panel, if I can start with you,
00:39:55Randy Sutton here.
00:39:56It's interesting to me, but it really
00:39:57does appear as if Josh and Paul might
00:40:00be onto something here.
00:40:01Maybe they kind of had an idea of who
00:40:03this person was.
00:40:04They had the video.
00:40:05We think for the better part of the
00:40:07day, maybe a little longer than a day.
00:40:09So you have this video.
00:40:10You get a little bit of, you know, you
00:40:13get a little bit of kind of juice going
00:40:14to see if you can make something happen.
00:40:17And that's kind of what's looking like
00:40:20happened here over the past 48 hours,
00:40:22Randy.
00:40:25Well, here's the other aspects of this.
00:40:27We do surmise that they have additional
00:40:30video as well.
00:40:31And we don't know what kind of leads were
00:40:33established from that.
00:40:34You know, hence what we've been seeing at
00:40:36the daughter's house.
00:40:40We don't know what the leads are that
00:40:41they're following.
00:40:42But clearly, the intensity of this
00:40:44investigation has ramped up to a boiling
00:40:47point.
00:40:48And with the apprehension of this
00:40:50individual, I think we are going to
00:40:52soon.
00:40:54And, of course, I'll pray that when this
00:40:56closure happens, that it ends with the
00:41:00recovery of a live Mrs. Guthrie.
00:41:05We all hope.
00:41:06We all hope.
00:41:06But I want to play this.
00:41:07You talk about, you know, prescient
00:41:09and you had Chris Wecker, former assistant
00:41:13FBI director.
00:41:14He was talking tonight.
00:41:16And he said that he expected a solution
00:41:19in the next.
00:41:20We don't have that.
00:41:21But he will.
00:41:22I will say this, Chris Clem.
00:41:23He said that there will be a solution,
00:41:26I think, within the next 24 hours.
00:41:28He said this three hours ago.
00:41:31Yeah.
00:41:31You know, I think it all comes down to
00:41:33what we've all been talking about over
00:41:34the last few moments.
00:41:35This new video evidence.
00:41:37Did the FBI, did Pima County have this
00:41:39information and were they on to
00:41:41something before they released it?
00:41:43Because what has happened is the
00:41:44investigation kind of got stymied,
00:41:45kind of got cold a little bit, right?
00:41:47So how do we maybe the suspect or
00:41:49suspects got comfortable.
00:41:50So let's flush them out.
00:41:51So when you make them move, they become
00:41:53vulnerable and hence we've got somebody
00:41:55detained.
00:41:55Let's hope that leads to an arrest and
00:41:57leads to, you know, resolution sooner.
00:41:58I don't disagree with that statement
00:42:00that we're going to have something big
00:42:02probably in the next day based on how
00:42:03things are moving so quickly right now.
00:42:05Yeah.
00:42:05Big.
00:42:06How big?
00:42:07I mean, it's interesting.
00:42:09How big, Josh Ritter, do you think
00:42:11when you talk about big, are you thinking
00:42:13that we are close to a solution here
00:42:16as the former assistant FBI director was
00:42:18talking about or are we a little
00:42:21further, do we still need to kind of
00:42:22cross a few hurdles?
00:42:26I'm really hopeful that we're very
00:42:28close and I based that on a couple.
00:42:32So important, you know, when we first
00:42:34heard that there were surveillance and
00:42:36that they possibly had something, I
00:42:38think a lot of us imagined is that
00:42:39grainy video is it from a distance.
00:42:42We saw that it was actually video taken
00:42:44from the front door of Nancy Guthrie's
00:42:46home and how clear that was.
00:42:48Immediately I thought to myself, this
00:42:49is the break that everybody's been
00:42:51waiting for.
00:42:52And then I've been sitting outside of
00:42:54the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
00:42:57We talked a little bit about this
00:42:58earlier for several days now and to
00:43:00see the amount of activity with those
00:43:02trucks, four out of their five
00:43:04tactical units took off today.
00:43:06I just don't think you start moving
00:43:07that kind of hardware unless you feel
00:43:09like something important is coming.
00:43:11That's the impression I'm getting.
00:43:12I'm just trying to read the tea leaves.
00:43:13Yeah, you read the same tea leaves,
00:43:17Paul Morrow?
00:43:18I'm just wondering because it really
00:43:19did.
00:43:20It seems like to all of us as we're
00:43:22covering this and we're getting new
00:43:23information.
00:43:24I mean, I was literally out here and
00:43:25I'm I'm doing some I'm talking with
00:43:27Jesse Waters and the Sean Hannity and
00:43:29people are saying, here, here's some
00:43:30information.
00:43:31It was coming in so fast, Paul, that
00:43:34the tea leaves
00:43:35were not easy to read, but but they
00:43:39were they were sure coming fast and
00:43:41furious. Yeah, I mean, you're
00:43:44absolutely right.
00:43:45In fact, investigations have a
00:43:47certain tempo and you actually get
00:43:50this kind of a thing where, you know,
00:43:52you have a whole lot of hurry up and
00:43:53wait and then it all happens at once.
00:43:56And this one does feel like you're
00:43:58hitting that operational
00:43:59acceleration that very often happens
00:44:01in the end game.
00:44:02We have a series of events.
00:44:03It may get no more dramatic than what
00:44:05we've got now and hopefully a recovery
00:44:07of Nancy.
00:44:08There may be nobody else involved, but
00:44:10we could get a series of dominoes
00:44:12falling here.
00:44:13But I just think that, you know, once
00:44:15the Bureau got a hold of that video
00:44:17and, you know, it does so many things
00:44:19aside from letting us see him, you've
00:44:20got something of his gait.
00:44:22People who know him can kind of say,
00:44:24you know, that looks like so and so.
00:44:25Somebody might have called in a tip.
00:44:26We don't.
00:44:28Coach to the house, which it would be.
00:44:31It gives you an absolute timestamp.
00:44:33This is when he showed up and there's
00:44:35all kinds of highways around here.
00:44:37We've heard that, you know, they have
00:44:38the lights on them, but they're hard
00:44:40to see at night and all of that.
00:44:42But middle of night also, there's a lot
00:44:44fewer cars.
00:44:45And this is not like New York City.
00:44:47It's not a 24-hour place.
00:44:48So it narrows down what you have to
00:44:50look at and it gives you a very, very
00:44:52tight timeline.
00:44:53These cars these days, they're rolling
00:44:55computers.
00:44:56There's all kinds of things that you
00:44:57can do relative to them, where they
00:44:59hit the Internet.
00:45:00Do they hit the OnStar system?
00:45:02Do other cars pick them up with their
00:45:04video?
00:45:05Because a lot of cars have dashcams
00:45:06now.
00:45:07All of that stuff came into play.
00:45:09And when you have the capabilities of
00:45:10the FBI completely unleashed, because
00:45:12the president said, throw everything
00:45:14at it.
00:45:15And never mind, you have the deputies
00:45:16here.
00:45:16We're going door to door looking for
00:45:18somebody to say, I kind of recognize
00:45:19this guy.
00:45:20That's a lot of operational muscle.
00:45:23And I do feel like that momentum that
00:45:25we have now here puts us certainly, if
00:45:28not in the endgame, we're getting
00:45:30there.
00:45:30I talked to a number of investigators
00:45:33today to kind of expand on Paul Morrow's
00:45:35point there.
00:45:36But the whole time you've been talking,
00:45:38Paul, and Josh, you as well, we have
00:45:39been kind of showing the video, right?
00:45:41That's the video in his left hand where
00:45:42he went down and he grabbed some, he
00:45:44grabbed some brush.
00:45:45And I guess the idea was to try and
00:45:47block the Nest camera using that.
00:45:50But what's fascinating about this is
00:45:52that the police officers I talked to
00:45:53were saying, this is filled with
00:45:56information.
00:45:56It is filled.
00:45:57They figured out within seconds how
00:46:00tall this person was within an inch
00:46:02because they went to the, the house is
00:46:04right across the street.
00:46:05They went to the house, they measured
00:46:06the bricks and they counted the number
00:46:08of bricks and he was standing next to
00:46:10so they had his height.
00:46:11And then you look at the different, the
00:46:13gait that he had, the way that he bends,
00:46:15the eyes, the teeth.
00:46:16And there was something extra because
00:46:18Morgan Wright, who's a cyber security
00:46:20expert, I can bring Kurt Knudsen back in
00:46:23this, was talking about how the gloves
00:46:25that we have seen him push up to the camera
00:46:27so many times, how the gloves might be
00:46:31able to track him down.
00:46:32Watch.
00:46:37It's call four nine, Greg.
00:46:38Nowadays, everybody watches CSI or they
00:46:40watch TV, they watch Fox and they see,
00:46:42okay, what can you do with DNA?
00:46:43What can you do with, you know,
00:46:44fingerprints?
00:46:45So they'll get these, you know, black
00:46:47gloves or these other gloves to protect
00:46:49their fingerprints.
00:46:51But that's also something you can find
00:46:52out how did they order it on Amazon?
00:46:54Did you get it from a local store?
00:46:58I go back to the, I go back to the
00:47:00shooting, Kurt, at Brown University,
00:47:02where within a couple of days, they had
00:47:06a wealth of information about the
00:47:07person who they believed was the
00:47:09shooter, where his car was located.
00:47:11Kind of the same thing here, where he
00:47:12was buying certain stuff.
00:47:14Same thing here, right?
00:47:15Those gloves look to me, I've never
00:47:17seen those in my life.
00:47:18They look to me to be fairly unique.
00:47:21And it's a good bet that as soon as the
00:47:24FBI saw those gloves, they were making
00:47:27calls and knew where those gloves came
00:47:29from, maybe who bought those gloves.
00:47:30What do you think?
00:47:32I mean, like facial recognition, you
00:47:34can do that with products.
00:47:35You can find out exactly what they are
00:47:37and then you find out what the sources
00:47:39are.
00:47:39And that just keeps narrowing it down and
00:47:41narrowing it down.
00:47:42And then you take the whole ensemble.
00:47:44So where did the backpack come from?
00:47:46What's it look like?
00:47:47What year was it made?
00:47:49Who's the brand behind it?
00:47:50Which model was it?
00:47:51Did they discontinue it three years ago?
00:47:53Or is it just created in the last eight
00:47:55months?
00:47:56All that data is going to come together,
00:47:58be poured into investigations with the
00:48:01assistance of AI.
00:48:03And the amount of data you're going to
00:48:04pull out of that is extraordinary.
00:48:06We're talking about the gate.
00:48:07We're not just talking about how he
00:48:09walks, analysis with AI can tell you
00:48:13all kinds of things.
00:48:14It can reveal all kinds of issues about
00:48:17education or an illness that he may be
00:48:22plagued with.
00:48:22That just reveals stuff that our naked
00:48:25human eye would never see.
00:48:28And when we get that data back, of
00:48:29course, it's verified.
00:48:31And you put that against other
00:48:33evidence that's coming together.
00:48:35But man, when you get that stuff
00:48:36together, you have an investigation that
00:48:39is about to lead you to somebody.
00:48:41And God willing, Nancy Guthrie is found
00:48:44alive.
00:48:45And this person is found and leads us to
00:48:47that.
00:48:49We are hoping.
00:48:50We are hoping.
00:48:51You know, it's interesting also that we
00:48:53talked to Chip Massey.
00:48:55He's a former FBI special agent.
00:48:57He was on the story with Martha McCallum
00:48:59today.
00:48:59And he was talking about some of the unique
00:49:01aspects of the person who is on the
00:49:04doorstep of Nancy Guthrie's home across the
00:49:07street and just the mannerisms and so
00:49:10forth.
00:49:10And what I thought, Chris, when I was
00:49:12looking at this the first time was his
00:49:15eyes, maybe her eyes.
00:49:17We don't really know.
00:49:18We haven't identified this person yet.
00:49:20The mustache, the goatee, the look of
00:49:23the kind of a waxed eyebrows.
00:49:25And we had Chip Massey talking about how
00:49:29everybody who knew that person knew that
00:49:33person, watch somebody worse or a lot of
00:49:36people know who that is, because if you
00:49:38picture this, when you're at a ball game or
00:49:42or a restaurant and you see somebody from
00:49:44behind that, you know, very well, you know
00:49:48who that person is, right?
00:49:49Yeah.
00:49:49You know how they move, how they gesture,
00:49:51they, you know, without seeing their face,
00:49:54without seeing their entire body, even.
00:49:58He's right.
00:49:58You do know who that person is, right?
00:50:00I mean, I have good buddies of mine, you can
00:50:02see him walking 40 yards away.
00:50:04Yeah.
00:50:04It's interesting.
00:50:04You mentioned you're looking at his eyes and
00:50:06we clearly see that.
00:50:06I'm watching his walk up there and I see
00:50:09when he turns around, I'm looking at his
00:50:10right foot.
00:50:11It almost looks like he's got a little bit
00:50:12of bow leg in that bottom right part of
00:50:14his foot.
00:50:14So maybe he's walking on the right side of
00:50:16his heel.
00:50:16So there may be some wear and tear on the
00:50:18wrong, on the right side.
00:50:19I mean, that's what I saw is that walking
00:50:21because somebody who would have tracked
00:50:22him out in the desert is looking for that,
00:50:24that uneven foot pattern, right?
00:50:26And so there's so much telling it is one of
00:50:28the guests just mentioned.
00:50:29There's so much to gather from that
00:50:31information.
00:50:31We're right here where it's so dark and
00:50:33there's so much cacti, so much vegetation.
00:50:36He's very clean walking up here, right?
00:50:38It wasn't like he was sneaking through the
00:50:40desert.
00:50:40He would have got caught up in the brush
00:50:42and the desert bites and burns and sticks
00:50:44you out here, right?
00:50:45He walks up pretty clean, but he is very
00:50:47identifiable.
00:50:48But look at that in some of that video, you
00:50:49look at that right leg as he turns around
00:50:51to get that brush.
00:50:52It seems like he's got a little bit of a
00:50:54crooked leg in that bottom right there that
00:50:56would, again, separate him from somebody.
00:50:58And if you knew somebody that walked that
00:50:59way and you saw the face and you saw
00:51:01everything else, hey, I think I know who
00:51:03that guy is.
00:51:03Yeah, I mean, right?
00:51:04A fair point, Randy Sutton, because, you
00:51:06know, regardless of the gloves, regardless
00:51:08of the mask and the clothing and whatever,
00:51:12there's some things you just cannot hide.
00:51:16Oh, absolutely.
00:51:17And, you know, when we're familiar with someone, we
00:51:21know them well.
00:51:23Their very presence can identify them to us.
00:51:27But I want to switch topics just for a second and
00:51:30think about the evidentiary value that might be
00:51:33found at the vehicle stop.
00:51:36This is really critical because whatever is found in
00:51:38that car, they're going to have to probably get a
00:51:41search warrant for it.
00:51:42But they're going to, that could be a treasure trove of
00:51:46evidence and also the ability that might lead to the
00:51:50victim here.
00:51:51So I just think we can't discount what the
00:51:55investigative process is going to produce from that
00:51:58vehicle stop and the treasure trove of information that
00:52:01they may be able to get from that.
00:52:02Yeah, it's interesting.
00:52:05I want to, you probably cannot see this here, but it's,
00:52:09we just had two or three vehicles pull up from the
00:52:12sheriff's department here.
00:52:13All of the vehicles have their lights on.
00:52:15We don't know if they're here for some reason.
00:52:18We don't know if they're maybe just kind of clearing out
00:52:20parking.
00:52:20It's kind of unknown at this point.
00:52:22But we have a third vehicle here again with the lights
00:52:24on.
00:52:25And it's a good thing the lights are on because Randy's
00:52:28right and Chris is right.
00:52:29It is so dark out here.
00:52:31I mean, look, the stars look amazing, but it is so dark.
00:52:34There is very little light pollution out here and it is
00:52:38difficult to see right now.
00:52:39You look over there and if you're walking up at 130 or
00:52:43145 in the morning, it's going to be difficult.
00:52:46We've got about two and a half minutes left in the show.
00:52:49Josh Ritter and Paul Morrow.
00:52:51I just want to know the next steps.
00:52:54How is it that police are working in your estimation on
00:52:58bringing Nancy Guthrie home?
00:53:00Josh, begin with you.
00:53:04Well, the best thing that they've got going from them
00:53:06right now is this person of interest, whatever you want to
00:53:09call him, a detainee or not.
00:53:11That person's hopefully going to be a source of information
00:53:14because right now everything that they've had is just
00:53:17leading them towards this suspect, but not necessarily
00:53:19leading them towards her.
00:53:21And this is that connection.
00:53:23This is that nexus that they got to, as you pointed out earlier,
00:53:26they got to play this somehow very carefully that they've got a
00:53:30person in custody.
00:53:31Hopefully they can keep that person talking because I imagine that
00:53:34person is their best lead getting them towards her.
00:53:37Yeah, it really is.
00:53:41And Paul Morrow, we, speaking of a race against time,
00:53:44we just got a little time added.
00:53:46So we're going to go to the top of the hour and then continue on for the
00:53:49next hour.
00:53:49But it's interesting, Paul, when you talk about, you know,
00:53:53all these techniques, it's all we've talked about is, oh,
00:53:55how are they going to, how do they get, how do they get this guy?
00:53:58Who are they sending out?
00:53:59Sending the SWAT team out.
00:54:00And the big question is always, how in the world are we going to identify
00:54:05if in fact this person is, is a somehow attached to this horrible crime?
00:54:11And secondly, how do we, how do we rectify this?
00:54:14What is the solution to bringing this woman home safely?
00:54:19Well, as Josh said, right now,
00:54:21your main focus has got to be on this person that you've detained.
00:54:24And if you had enough to detain this person,
00:54:27you're going to get probable cause on all their devices,
00:54:29including the car, you can get that right from the scene.
00:54:32You get a judge out of bed.
00:54:33You say, look, I need an emergency search warrant.
00:54:35This happens all the time.
00:54:36And then you throw the full weight of this kind of technical investigation
00:54:39that we've been talking about all along here at this person's background.
00:54:44First of all, you got to make sure you know who it is.
00:54:46I'm assuming they do.
00:54:47Otherwise you got to take them someplace and print them or you got to print
00:54:50them in the field, but you got to rip into that car.
00:54:52You got to rip into their phone, any devices, a tablet, anything.
00:54:55You got to look where he's been.
00:54:56And the best thing that you could get out of this for our purposes here
00:55:00is a travel log.
00:55:02And what would be great is if you could see him returning to a particular
00:55:05location, because that's the first place you're going to go in hopes of
00:55:08getting Nancy Guthrie alive.
00:55:11Yeah.
00:55:12I mean, it's a fair assessment here, Chris, because, you know,
00:55:15you kind of, you want to, it's the return to the scene of the crime.
00:55:17You want to be able to, if he truly does,
00:55:20was looking for money and he wants to keep Nancy alive,
00:55:24then that's priority one.
00:55:26Yeah, absolutely.
00:55:27It's all about, you know, taking every bit of information we have,
00:55:30piecing it back together, going back to square one,
00:55:32working it through to the next bit of information.
00:55:35Ultimately, we want to find out who this person is,
00:55:37what his connections is, so we can find Nancy.
00:55:39That's the end game here.
00:55:41We can do all the other criminal stuff later.
00:55:42We got to find out where she is, if she's still alive,
00:55:44and how do we, you know, get this resolved.
00:55:46So, yeah, every information counts.
00:55:48Every bit helps.
00:55:49Every second matters.
00:55:49And I'm wondering, Kirk Knutson, to you, we, you know,
00:55:52we have gone into great detail how they used the video,
00:55:57how they got it back, and, you know, the gloves we've talked about.
00:56:02Is there a way, using technology and using what information we have right now,
00:56:07is there a way for the FBI to right now be looking at different avenues
00:56:11on how they can bring Nancy Guthrie home?
00:56:15And they probably are.
00:56:17And let me just give you some examples, Trace, that are real life.
00:56:20One is, we have now this video of the suspect from the front door camera.
00:56:24Well, what if we could get a hold of all of the public-facing
00:56:28and many private-facing cameras throughout the Tucson area,
00:56:32from the local gas station to a, you know, a quick store,
00:56:35to the grocery store, to a camera just in front of somebody's house?
00:56:40Pour all that in.
00:56:41And now that we're getting an idea of what this person is, how they conduct themselves,
00:56:47AI can determine, like, all right, that's the same move of a person on that camera, too.
00:56:52You start putting these digital breadcrumbs together,
00:56:54and the next thing you know, just like everybody's talking about,
00:56:57you go, like, okay, we can confirm it's this vehicle.
00:57:00Now when you have that, you go, okay, where did that vehicle go that night?
00:57:05Will it lead us to where Nancy may have been taken?
00:57:09And I'm not sure.
00:57:11What we do know is that this person or this group has some level of sophistication
00:57:18that, to me, reminds me of some sophisticated ransomware criminals.
00:57:24So they know how to hide themselves on the digital front.
00:57:28But, man, there's too many digital pings in our lives to unplug everything.
00:57:32And the FBI, I think, is getting a lot closer to putting all those little pieces together
00:57:38to do the gotcha moment.
00:57:42Yeah.
00:57:43You know, Josh Ritter, to you, I'm interested in the fact that, you know,
00:57:47we have been kind of talking about this.
00:57:50And you look up on the steps up there, and you look going up there, it's kind of rough.
00:57:54I mean, it's rough.
00:57:55The steps are rough.
00:57:56There's some rocks all over the place.
00:57:57And I'm wondering if this person who was on the ring camera, if, indeed, they are connected
00:58:04to this in any way, if they kidnapped Nancy Guthrie, could they have done it alone, is
00:58:09the question.
00:58:10Is there somebody else out there that might have more information?
00:58:14That's the big question right now going forward.
00:58:17Are there others, and are those others also the key, or maybe the key, to finding Nancy Guthrie
00:58:25and bringing her home, Josh?
00:58:28Just looking at that video, I don't get any indication that this person was working with
00:58:32someone else.
00:58:33I feel like we would have seen, either we would have seen another person or somehow this person
00:58:38that's captured on the video, perhaps communicating with someone, looking back towards someone.
00:58:42There's no indication to me.
00:58:44And I feel like the way that that person came prepared, with the backpack, with the gloves,
00:58:48with the mask, that person came with bad intentions, and they were looking to commit that crime.
00:58:53That all being said, that doesn't mean that that person hasn't told others, or that that
00:58:58person hadn't been cooperating with others, just not on that evening of the crime taking
00:59:04place.
00:59:04So that certainly could mean that this person that we're talking about right now being
00:59:08detained is not necessarily the subject on the videotape, the suspect on the videotape,
00:59:14but is somebody who knows that person, connected to that person, in whatever the way they've
00:59:20been able to track this down, whether that's digitally or through people talking, crowdsourcing
00:59:25this.
00:59:26But you're absolutely right.
00:59:30Yeah, it really is.
00:59:31It's kind of amazing to see what we have seen today.
00:59:35For those who are just joining us, we're going to reset at the top of the hour.
00:59:39We've got another continuing hour of breaking news coverage here in Tucson, Arizona, because
00:59:45they have somebody who has been detained, apparently pulled over in a traffic stop, a traffic stop,
00:59:54and is now being questioned, we assume.
00:59:57Continuing coverage, right?
00:59:58We're going to set up this up.
01:00:06We're going to set up this up so it's not easy to be the one who is allowed to do so.
01:00:09We're going to let it go.
01:00:11Let's paint on the top of the floor.
01:00:16We're going to set up the top of our fish on the top of the fish.
01:00:20Now I'm going to take it here.
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