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The Beauty Queen And The Catfish - Season 1 Episode 2 - Turning Detective
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00:00I'll probably know straight away because I can see it in my mind when I started asking him
00:10questions he was angry he said I'm sick of all this I'm sick of you questioning me come to my
00:17house and we will speak and here's my address I am gone I am all guns blazing at this point
00:24I'm going to this house I'm going it's such a small town it's affected Kilmarnock hugely because
00:32everybody knows about it he came out of nowhere I was like oh who's this how we not came across
00:38this guy but then I got a message from another girl from Kilmarnock and she said whatever you
00:44do don't trust David Graham he then became threatening either you speak to me or you're
00:50not going to like what's going to happen I actually do remember like the adrenaline pumping I'm really
00:55suspicious now I kept saying to her do not let him see you we thought we're going to need to all band
01:01together here it didn't add up at all is this like a kidnap attempt or is it money like what is the
01:07end game for you something just rang alarm bells like in my head I'm thinking Michael Myers is running
01:14around Crosshair's hospital I just thought who is this psycho who the fuck is David Graham
01:19oh
01:29oh
01:43yeah this looks familiar running through my head was all the lies he might not be attractive he might
02:00not be tall he might not be successful but I'm in love with him
02:04I was so desperate to see him at this point like it was like a need and not a want
02:14so we're looking over to the left and there was a trampoline in his back garden and I thought
02:21it is his house look at me aunt cj look at me it's a trampoline in the back garden that's where
02:28Lily was they walk up to the door my legs are like jelly I don't know who's going to be behind
02:34this door in this house probably the most nervous I'd ever been there's like a dark shadow that walks
02:41past the window and I'm thinking oh that must be him that must be him well the door opens and I'm
02:49like gulping back sick for this point I'm thinking oh my god help me and the man opens the door and he's
02:56just so far from who I thought was going to open the door and he's like I don't know a David Graham
03:02hen I've lived here all my life and I'm just standing there in a housing estate looking for
03:07a guy that I've spoke to for six months and he's not here
03:11so after we went to the house he went radio silent I feel as if I've lost him
03:21why are you not taking this as a sign that he's been caught out and he's not real
03:26you just look past red flags because this isn't just like a guy that you text every day once or
03:33twice this is from the morning you wake up to the very last word that you say at night
03:39because the alternative is admitting that admitting that you were so vulnerable that
03:49you fell for all this and you just don't want to admit that you just don't want to so you're just
03:57holding on to every single last hope
03:59I feel as if I've invested so much love time and effort into this guy that I am in love with
04:08this person and I really really need to find out who it is now
04:12this little spot is in my kitchen I don't know why I've automatically always came here
04:30anytime something kind of stressful happens have you ever thought about getting any chairs in here
04:35nope I don't know why do and there's like no chairs in my house I'm such a floor person as well
04:41I'll eat my dinner on the floor so I've been speaking to two girls from Kilmarnock who also
04:50knew David Graham and we decided to then make a group chat called 007 to get to the bottom of who
04:57was behind David Graham and why is this person doing it I know that there's no David Graham working
05:04in the hospital or the ward however I've got a picture of a pager an ID card that says that
05:11this person has access to that ward and my granddad is still in the hospital
05:14it was scary I think because I knew at the time that my granddad wasn't talking my granddad
05:24couldn't really move I'm thinking what is this person doing to my granddad is this like freak just
05:31walking in and out of a hospital and he doesn't actually work there what's this person got access
05:36to all three of us were having so many different conversations we were starting to think is he a
05:46romance scammer scamming people out of money why did you think it might be money because I think
05:51that was quite a hot topic with David Graham as well was talking about money David was always doing
05:58something extravagant he was living in this affluent area he was driving a nice car always like to boast
06:08and always like to bring up money so is it connecting with all these women to scam them out of money like
06:13is this the reason behind all of this
06:22he actually told me his daughter died in the hospital and I didn't believe it I was like there's no way that
06:28that we girls died of cancer so just thought right no more
06:37and then I got a call from one of my friends Kevin and he asked if I was dating a David Graham
06:41and I was like no I was like why are you asking that and he said that his friend Adele had said
06:46that her cousin was David Graham Adele had seen on Facebook that her cousin had been commenting things
06:52and thought we were in a relationship so then I unblocked David and asked why he was telling people
06:59that he was in a relationship with me to which he was pointing straight away to say that he didn't
07:04and his cousin's just got the wrong end of the stick
07:07a week or so later I had arranged to meet Kevin just for like lunch
07:16Adele came and she's like I'm Adele I'm David's cousin was kind of first thing she'd say to me
07:23she was bubbly she was chatty nicely dressed she just seemed like a nice girl
07:29she started asking questions oh have you not actually met each other yet
07:33I had think I said to her no I definitely won't be meeting him because he doesn't exist
07:38but then she got very defensive saying David's just going through a really hard time
07:42so he did have a child that just died of cancer but he really likes you
07:46so he was very gutted that I don't want to meet up with him and things now
07:50so what are you thinking at this point are you thinking oh god I've got this all wrong
07:54and I remember just thinking at the point no I still don't think this guy is who he said he is
07:58there's something strange here
08:00so basically after I went for lunch I remember a message me saying why are you saying to my cousin I don't exist
08:13you don't believe my daughter's died like basically making me as if I was sick in the head
08:17why would you think I'd make it up
08:20but then I just literally cut it off
08:22I heard no more for a good few weeks and then I got a message for like a random number
08:28just to let you know
08:31David's been in a car crash he's in hospital
08:34when I tried to phone it there was no answer
08:39don't know who the number was from
08:41never answered it when I called it never messaged back
08:43still to this day I have no idea who the number was from
08:46so then that's when I went on to Facebook
08:52there's pictures of him in a hospital
08:56so obviously you're thinking right what's going on here
08:59David Graham was lying in a hospital bed
09:01and his friend was saying come on David you can pull through we're all rooting for you
09:07I started looking closer at the picture
09:12I'm pretty sure the guy in the bed was just a different guy
09:15so I started phoning round hospitals
09:19there's no David Graham in any hospital in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
09:23in the surrounding areas
09:25do you ever hear from David again?
09:27no but someone else calls me and it's his cousin
09:30screaming hysterically down the phone
09:32making me feel bad for not going to the hospital
09:37telling me that her little cousin is on his deathbed and he's asking for me
09:42but I've phoned round all the hospitals
09:45how am I supposed to get there if I don't know where I'm going?
09:47I'm trying to say give me the address of the hospital
09:51and she's just shouting over me
09:53how do you leave that conversation?
09:55I think I got hung up on
09:57she wasn't listening and then she just hung up on me
10:00in the 007 group chat one of the girls in the chat knows a girl called Adele
10:15and Adele's so far the only person that we know that's ever spoke to David
10:21one of the girls in the group mentioned that when David Graham was on holiday in Marbella
10:26he phoned her and they were having a conversation and then he passes the phone over to Adele
10:32and then Adele's having a nice conversation and then passes the phone back to David
10:38so we could pin Adele and David in the same place at the same time
10:43I didn't know who Adele was but she's a girl from Kilmarnock and she's the same age as all of us
10:48there's a strong connection in the group
10:51one of the girls had been in nights out with Adele like they've got friends in common
10:57so we kinda need to look into her
11:05Was it possible in your mind that he wasn't a doctor?
11:08I don't think I ever questioned his occupation but I did start thinking like are you who you say they are?
11:20So by this time my friends, family, me we were all investigating trying to find out basically who David is
11:26A few weeks previous David had sent me a picture of a parking ticket and it was on a windscreen
11:32in the distance you could see there was a building and it says Department of Pathology
11:38and at that point I was like that's it like that is where David parks his car
11:44yeah so see here probably at this point we would have been like oh my god this is it
11:48we know the location, we know the car, we know the Reggie, we know everything
11:52so we're like right this is our moment we've been waiting for
11:55we're gonna find out who the hell this is
11:58I was on the phone to David and he says that it was starting at 9 o'clock
12:02and I was like fantastic
12:04my mum and sister at this point says they didn't want me to go by myself because it wouldn't be safe
12:08so they said we'll come with you
12:10Oh no wonder is there a building gone there now?
12:12They've knocked down a building behind me so that's where the Department of Pathology sign was
12:17so basically we parked, see at the very back there
12:20there was cars parked all the way down here in front of us
12:23so it wasn't obvious that we were sat up there
12:25I'm on the phone to David the whole time, literally laid down in the back seat
12:30and then all of a sudden we see a car coming round
12:34it's the red Corsa from my mum's house
12:37he's saying that's me just arrived at work
12:40and I'm thinking I know it is because I can see you, you've arrived
12:43and then we see the car pulling up, engine turns off and the lights turn off
12:47and David says oh that's me pulled up, you know like a long shift and that kind of stuff
12:51so the door opens and someone steps out, it was dark so we can't see who it was, just a shadow
12:58so I'm like I said crouched down, I'm talking, I then hang up the phone to see the reaction of the person that we were watching
13:05they drop the phone, then I re-ring them back
13:08Pearson picks up the phone, turns round
13:11it's a woman
13:13what? like no, and all three of us were just like in shock, we were like no way
13:19and I think when I seen first of all a woman I was like oh this is a woman
13:23but then I was like hold on a minute, it's the florist
13:26it's like the girl who I've been talking to, who's been delivering these flowers, who's been talking about David
13:31and I think at that point my mum and my sister must have been like shut up
13:35like the girl who's been dropping the flowers off to you and I was like yeah
13:37and it just sent shivers through me and when I think back
13:40oh my god, like what the hell
13:45I would never have ever thought that this was David
13:48not the girl who'd been delivering all these things to me
13:52who, you know, I was inviting in for like a cup of tea, who I drove home, like I can't believe that I was sat next to her
14:02and chatting to her, you know, like I could let she go out and touch her arm
14:06I then went on to David's Facebook, I couldn't find her anywhere
14:12I then looked up the name of the shop, couldn't find that either
14:17there's absolutely no evidence at all that this girl exists anywhere
14:24I got in contact with my friend Kevin and I said listen, give me that Adele's number
14:29he sent me Adele's number
14:32I put it on my phone and I had already had a contact with the same number
14:37and the contact was David Graham
14:41David Graham and Adele both had the same phone number
14:44I then went on to Facebook, typed her name in
14:51typed in enter
14:54and then her picture came up
14:57and I was like holy fuck
15:01she works on my grandad's ward as a nurse
15:04like she's the person looking after my grandad right now
15:10like I actually can't even believe it now, why am I crying?
15:19I don't know because I remember looking at it and being in such disbelief because I'm like
15:26there's no way that's who they're talking about
15:28I was totally shocked but I don't understand it because it is a guy's voice on the phone
15:36it was weird, so I'm talking to a man and this woman and I'm like I'm talking to you
15:43like you're a man on my phone but you're a woman crossing the road
15:46Hi sorry I'm driving
15:50Yes
15:52I'm also texting
15:54Oh my god that is him
15:55But
15:57Is that you palming me off already?
15:59She was using the voice changing app
16:01No, I was not saying you were fat
16:04However
16:06It's good to get the steps in
16:09That's what I was saying
16:11Ah, that is the voice, yeah
16:13That's his, that's, that was David Graham
16:15Because you had spoken to David and spoken to Adele
16:19The voices weren't the same?
16:20No, not so, the voices were nowhere near the same
16:23It was a guy and a woman, Adele was a woman, David was a guy
16:25The voices didn't even sound remotely the same
16:27And not for one thing does I think it's a voice changing app
16:29Because you just don't think that these things exist
16:32And I'm just like this is wild
16:34And I can't believe this person is actually going into a hospital
16:36Because you clearly see she was dressed
16:38As if she was going to work
16:42I'm actually getting goosebumps just now
16:44Even just thinking about it like when she was walking over the road
16:46Just starting her shift
16:48This person who's of a good profession
16:51Is doing this?
16:54Why is she doing this?
16:56Like what is the reason behind it?
16:57Because she actually did work in the hospital
17:00And I seen her side by side with my granddad
17:03It was just like quite sickening
17:05Like that's someone we put our trust into
17:08It was terrifying to be honest
17:10You know fine well what I'm going through
17:12And you still thought that that was okay
17:16Like who does that?
17:20But who actually does that?
17:23You might only think it like six months of your life is nothing
17:27But six months when you're 23 and you're trying to figure out your head
17:33It was soul destroying
17:36Goes to show that you just can't trust
17:38Trust people basically
17:39I feel disgusted in myself for falling for something like that
17:45And this is who it is, it's Adele Rennie
17:55Soon as I found out that it was Adele
17:57I went straight back to chat
17:59I was like holy shit
18:01Like she works on my granddad's ward
18:06That ward in particular
18:08It is a very vulnerable ward
18:10I mean if you really wanted to take advantage of people
18:13Like that would be the best ward to do it in
18:15I just thought I didn't want her to work in the hospital
18:18Taking care of my granddad
18:20But my main thing was for it to stop
18:22So I phoned the hospital straight away
18:25I said listen I said you've got someone in your ward
18:28Called Adele Rennie
18:30I said and she's pretending to be a male doctor
18:34I just phoned the hospital again
18:36And the woman on the ward does not believe a thing I am saying
18:41I remember her saying is this some sort of vendetta you've got against Adele
18:45I was like listen I will be going to the police
18:48And I was like no trace the number back to Adele
18:50And she went ballistic, absolutely ballistic
18:57I felt like I had no control of the situation
18:59Like my granddad was still in there
19:01I've got someone saying that I've got some sort of vendetta
19:03I've got Adele, is she off today?
19:05Is she working today? Like where is she?
19:07I think I just kept saying we just need to find more proof
19:08There just needs to be more, we need more
19:15It was only a matter of time before Adele caught on
19:18We knew like all she needs to do is either block us
19:22Or completely delete the profile and then that's it
19:24Like we don't have anything to go on
19:26So it was pretty much like a race against time
19:31We just had to like screenshot everything
19:33Write things down, like the more evidence the better
19:35So when I started looking deeper into David Graham's Facebook
19:39Then I started noticing it was always the same people commenting on these things
19:42And then I started asking myself well are they real?
19:45We would reverse image search
19:47So you can put an image into Google and find out where it came from
19:50And we found these profiles that actually have been stolen from Instagram
19:54Like there was a web of people so you've got like David here
19:56And then you've got all these profiles validating that David's a real person
20:01But it's all Adele
20:03So we screenshot the other profiles as well
20:07Time went so fast and I didn't sleep
20:11Like I was sitting on my phone looking for things and my laptop
20:15And it was like before I knew it we were on to like 5, 6 in the morning
20:19And then I'd have a quick sleep and then I'd wake back up again
20:22Like I was consumed by it all
20:28That period of time you're not sleeping, you're not eating
20:30Like why did it take over?
20:32I think because it involved my grandad
20:35And the only way I'm going to be able to get Adele
20:37And the trouble for it is if I come up with all this information
20:40Once we kind of start noticing that all these profiles are like definitely fake
20:46We realised this was a full scale operation
20:49I knew I just really had to get the police involved
20:58It was obvious it was Adele Rene
21:01I was really really optimistic like
21:03Just going to go straight to the police and they're going to arrest her
21:06And that's going to be it
21:07I was in the police station for about 4 or 5 hours
21:17There was like so many intricate details
21:19And I just kind of sat and tried to give them as much information as possible
21:23Any screenshots that me and the girls had sent each other in the chat
21:26And stuff to like prove that we knew it was her
21:31They couldn't actually get their head round it, it was actually very very frustrating
21:34Their words to me were
21:37Well she's not done anything criminal
21:39Like apart from maybe data protection
21:42Like she's not really done anything
21:44Catfishing's not a crime
21:46And I was kind of like
21:48Right okay so this is like normal behaviour then
21:50Like we've just accept that
21:52I just thought why are you allowed to do that?
21:55Like why are you allowed to pretend that you're someone else?
21:57Especially when you're in a job of power, like surely that's not allowed
22:02When I first heard about the Adele Rene case
22:07I think the most surprising element is how long it went on for
22:13What we call catfishing
22:15Creating those fake identities
22:16Using those identities to contact, follow victims
22:22Isn't a legal term, it's a term that has become really popular in the media
22:27And if you walk down to a police station
22:31And you say, I've met this person on a dating platform
22:34We've been in the early stages of a relationship but something's not right
22:38It's almost impossible that the police are going to take that case on
22:43Because what's the crime?
22:45The minute you say they've stolen a thousand pounds
22:49There's a really clear pathway
22:51It's fraud, we can investigate that, we can follow the money
22:55But in these cases that's not true
22:58The motives are unclear, unknown
23:02And so when a victim is forced to investigate their own crime
23:07And try and build that evidence, forcing more interaction with the perpetrator
23:13The risk for the victim just gets higher and higher
23:21Because I felt like I wasn't getting taken seriously
23:24I put a post on Facebook just basically warning everybody
23:28Saying if you've got David Graham as a friend on Facebook
23:31Get them deleted now before you get scammed
23:33He's not a real person, it's actually a girl called Adele Rennie
23:37I didn't expect my inbox to then start going ping, ping, ping, ping, ping, ping, ping
23:46And that just one day, it was floods and floods and floods of messages coming through
23:52People that had all been through similar stuff, like even worse
23:56It was actually quite overwhelming because it wasn't even just females that I was getting messages from
24:03People's boyfriends saying like, my girlfriend's been through this
24:07How do you know that it's this girl because we've been trying to prove this for ages
24:12If I was like, wow, like this is bigger than what I thought it was going to be
24:16Like I genuinely didn't think it was going to be as big as what it was
24:19What do you think Adele's motivations are at this point?
24:22I think at the time I was just so confused because before I think it was just really easy for us to just assume that if you're able to buy all these people gifts
24:30Is this because you're scamming people out of money?
24:34Have you ever seen any evidence that she took money off anyone?
24:39Evidence? No
24:41Did he ever ask you for money?
24:43No
24:45David Green wasn't asking me for money, he was just making up a string of lies
24:49That's why I for a long time thought this must be real because I was sending no gifts to him, it was all one way
24:57The only thing at that time I could think of why she was doing it was because she wasn't comfortable with her sexuality and she would rather be with girls
25:06Did you get a sense the person behind the phone was sexually attracted to you?
25:10Yeah, I definitely thought he was sexually attracted to me
25:13The phone calls, the messages, I definitely would have thought of that, yeah
25:17Once we discovered who it was, it was a case of well you're basically only talking to females
25:22So we just assumed that she was maybe someone that isn't confident about coming out
25:27But when you then went deeper into it, that almost didn't make sense
25:32Like that couldn't just be the motivation, there must have been more to it
25:36I then get a phone call from the police and that was me kind of thinking, oh, like I'm getting some sort of update
25:44And it wasn't, it was basically to say that Adele had filed some sort of harassment order against me
25:50I was really surprised
25:52So she's logged onto Facebook, she's seen that you're sort of outing her on Facebook
25:58Yeah, at this full moment it wasn't really getting taken seriously
26:01It was more my reaction that was getting taken seriously rather than the action of her
26:06That was her then kind of like, reverse note on me
26:17I was kind of like, shit, like this girl's dangerous
26:19Like, she's so willing to go to the police about me, knowing that she's in the wrong
26:24Like what else is she going to try and pin on me? She's going to try and say that I'm David Graham
26:27And I think I got even more scared at that point
26:32I was like, what's she going to do next?
26:33I was like, what's she going to do next?
26:34I was like, what's she going to do next?
26:35I was like, what's she going to do next?
26:41MUSIC PLAYS
26:49MUSIC PLAYS
26:52So it was quite annoying to hear that she'd just been interviewed and let go and again
27:05it was like well that's it like we're just gonna need to be happy with this but she's
27:12been warned we noticed that on Facebook David's profile had completely disappeared and then
27:20obviously we'd warned quite a few people in Kilmarnock about this happening it's not like
27:24that big a town so she'd be stupid to try and do it again because we're all going to know it's her
27:32however granddad is still in the hospital
27:40bought a dog and i used to take the dog in to see my granddad as well
27:46and he was just sitting like this the full time
27:50the hospital said like it's going to happen quite soon so i went and visited and then he died in the night
28:03obviously it's like shit in general but i think it it was just like a pure kick in the teeth because
28:10all that time and effort with Adele
28:11it consumed like months where i should have probably been spending more time with him
28:22but i did think to myself at least she's stopped
28:26Adele's not going to be catfishing anyone else
28:29i think as soon as tinder came out everyone was on it
28:46it was just exciting to meet people from your phone
28:51you didn't need to go to bars you didn't need to go out and socialize and wait on people coming up to
28:56you it seemed to make you quite picky very
29:03it makes you almost on a pedestal that you can just judge these people
29:06i would swipe left on short men because i liked someone tall men under five niner call friends
29:12that's what's on my profile you were swiping people you knew to start with and then you were
29:17putting your distance out a wee bit and there was all these fresh faces from other areas that you never
29:21would have came across
29:29when i saw that profile i thought he was very good looking
29:33coming across like he had a bit of a life
29:35to be a doctor you need to be a certain person like you care about people
29:39so swipe right and it came up a match i was like oh like because it's always a nice feeling if you
29:49find someone attractive and they also find you attractive as well he was different to other
29:53people because i hadn't actually opened up about my personal life to other people i'd spoken to
29:58i was 24. my mother got diagnosed with a rare neurological disorder so she needed care
30:08it was a really difficult time i was basically giving up my job to look after my mum
30:15i just felt like he understood he would say of course your mum's your biggest priority
30:20like my family's my biggest priority he did just say the right things and made me feel special really did
30:34does the name david graham mean anything to you no and who is it that you were speaking to
30:40i've been speaking to matthew mancini
31:02why did you want to hide your identity a lot of people will judge and i don't want to be one of
31:11those people that are judged for what i believe was a pretty dark time in my life
31:18matthew mancini was very very charming flowers were sent bottles of wine were sent
31:25he knew what to say when to see it and how to bring you in
31:39was he quite flirty on text i would say the flirtiness didn't start straight away i would
31:44say it was just more respectful but then matthew consistently asked for
31:49explicit nude photos i declined to send any sort of photo to him and he sent me a link
32:03it was to a porn website i'll just have to use this then if you're not going to help me out
32:10that's when it started to get quite abusive and quite nasty
32:13we had arranged to meet up and go to the christmas market but you think you were looking forward to
32:31it yeah definitely just seemed like it was the right time to like meet someone meet them face to face
32:38and then he sent me a picture of the christmas tree that him and his nephew had been decorating
32:43and i'm quite observant i always look at all the details see what someone's house is like
32:48i love interiors and i questioned why it was a completely different living room to the one that
32:54he sent me a few days before and he got quite defensive and said it was a different part of the house
33:00and i was just like you're lying then i just felt sick like who is this person it was enough for me just to block
33:08and then i got bombarded with calls from a withheld number
33:18i had honestly about 60 missed calls the first day
33:21miss call from no caller id miss call from no caller id i had so many missed calls and my voicemail was
33:27full it wasn't like the friendly voice anymore it was angry frustrated threatening just answer your phone
33:35just answer your phone he could not accept that i've been caught out
33:45did you think it was all over yeah i genuinely did
33:48but then i get a message from someone i know on facebook there's a brand new profile
33:57he's got the same picture he's got the same profession but a different name
34:02matthew muncini
34:05and i'm like shut the front door like am i going to need to go through all this again
34:09we worked out that adele had started using tinder and she's contacted a brand new set of victims
34:17when you're catfishing on facebook you've got to have friends and family to make yourself more
34:22like realistic but as soon as tinder came around it made things for adele a lot easier
34:27because she didn't need to prove who she was or who she was friends with
34:31and she could get in contact with people even further afield
34:35but there was definitely new things where i was like hmm like you're a bit nastier and you're
34:40willing to put people down so that's when i realized that it wasn't just happening again
34:45but it was actually getting worse is there anything going to stop this girl
34:53at this point i had spoke to police i had spoke to a hospital i'd spoke to all these people and i'm
34:59like well if they're if you're not going to believe me i know who will believe me
35:10a year into working at the scottish sun roughly i spoke to abby draper i instinctively knew that
35:16this was a big story this is a dictaphone recording of my first ever interview with abby
35:23i had a message on facebook and she told me everything that happened to her and i barely
35:29got a word then because abby was so keen to to tell me everything that had happened straight away
35:35it ticked all the boxes for a good tabloid story there was so much on social media and there was
35:43something that just drew you in towards this character
35:50adele renee lived in a nice house appeared to have a nice family around her was smartly dressed
35:56if you passed around the street you wouldn't have given her a second look
36:01we obviously knew from the beginning that she was a nurse and a lot of really kind things were said
36:06about her we heard that she was one of the most attentive nurses on the ward so there was
36:12there was a jekyll and hyde side to adele renee going on
36:20i'm pissed hick she looks like she loves a night out and people were obviously
36:27quite happy to be in her company and some of the women that i spoke to did say that she was great fun
36:32there's not a hint of anything sinister about her at all so there was a mystery around what was
36:38actually motivating adele renee to carry out this pattern of behavior so the goal was obviously to
36:45get the story out there but i also thought with the power of the media more victims could come forward
36:53so i'm thinking if maybe 10 to 20 women are going to the police and then we're all complaining about the
36:58same person then surely the police are going to arrest her straight away
37:04but at that point i didn't even know myself like how bad what she done was
37:10the relationship with matthew turned toxic he puts me down makes me feel small
37:26my opinions are invalid i'm lying and i'm going crazy messages started to get really nasty
37:38sent a photo of his excrement which is so disturbing and disgusting to me
37:43i feel like he was trying to play a game but it was a game of him having full control
37:50and fully enjoyed it he would message like where are you what time will you be finished dinner
37:58when are you finishing work when do you start work
38:02there was numerous times that i felt like he was there watching or there wherever i was numerous times
38:09you would always feel that they're asking that because he's wanting to watch he's wanting to see
38:17where i am and at that point i thought something's not right i didn't realize that she was physically
38:26going to places speaking to like other victims they were saying like oh she sent me a picture
38:31of outside my work ones they keep sending me all these different presents
38:36most people have called adele a catfisher do you feel like that's accurate
38:42i think adele is a stalker and i think she has used a range of different ways to carry out her
38:50stalking one of those ways is through what we call catfishing and so she's a stalker who is using all
38:57means at her disposal to stalk her victims obviously flowers where i left with my parents at the time
39:02to me alan belge rang because i didn't give him my address it became a point where he started getting
39:09a bit more obsessive and then that's then when i started getting texts basically seeing where he
39:14knew where i was that freaked me out as the victims become aware that something's wrong adele's behavior
39:25changes and becomes much more physical it becomes following turning up delivering gifts and that
39:32behavior is inherently more risky once more people had came to me and then i started realizing that
39:40adele was actually going to their workplaces or she was going to their house and doing stuff i was
39:44kind of like right well you need to go to the police because that's stalking
39:50and then i started thinking so she's been sitting outside my house she knew what my blinds looked
39:56like did she hand deliver my flowers see we would have stopped in like something like that and then
40:04seen a trampoline and then i was like that's a stalker oh my god and when we drove to his house
40:14he'd never turned up are you thinking why did she bring me to this area
40:20because this is actually where adele lived the shut up
40:28oh my god i've got actual tingles you're kidding
40:32i just thought she gave me just a random address and she was probably watching me without me knowing it
40:44who's sick she saved them that bit
40:53you sent me to the area and the place that you live but you gave me a wrong address
40:58like to watch me squeal it's like sending a mouse to a mouse trap
41:05i didn't really feel angry i just felt pity for her like
41:16me and now i feel rage and anger and disgust adele was there adele was watching me
41:28the whole time she was doing this to me and the others
41:33this is not just someone been behind like their keyboard and
41:36pranking or winding someone up this is someone that's taking it to extreme measures
41:41she's not a catfish she's just a monster
41:50there's no doubt that adele has the potential to be dangerous
41:54the offences that happened away from the internet show that there was potentially a much more sinister
42:05person at play here
42:14it would have become clear to adele her job was potentially on the line and she then seemed to
42:21turn her attention to a senior employee a charge nurse who also worked at crosshouse hospital
42:29adele allegedly pursued the charge nurse in her car drove up very close behind her flashed her lights
42:35she was weaving in and out of traffic and subjected that woman to quite a a frightening ordeal it was
42:42obviously an act of intimidation
42:50that would scare the living daylights out of you because you think that person's capable of doing
42:54that that person's going to be capable of doing a lot worse
42:58like this girl doesn't stop what's she going to do next
43:02and i'm like literally batting down the hatches waiting for adele to escalate
43:07every time i stopped the car it was like a 360 check making sure the doors were locked actually
43:17putting like hoovers against the door never in a million years could have imagined that
43:23i was about to walk into two detectives sitting on the couch
43:27i dropped what i was doing and i just went straight down to Kilmarnock's head of court
43:32you don't want to believe that your child's capable of these kind of things why why would you do this
43:49that's what you think you're doing and that's what you're doing and that's what you're doing
43:55so
43:55you
43:56you
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