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Leadership isn’t just about climbing the ladder—it’s about expanding your capacity, breaking barriers, and leading from every seat you occupy. This bold conversation challenges traditional leadership norms and equips you to lead with vision, authenticity, and impact—no matter your title. Whether you're navigating growth, resistance, or opportunity, this panel will help you step into your next level with clarity and confidence.
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00:00Good afternoon everyone. I am so excited to have this conversation with these esteemed panelists.
00:10And as you just heard from our announcer, this is called Leading Without Limits. So this
00:16conversation is about supporting you and challenging you to lead. Leadership does not
00:22mean that you have people who are directly reporting to you. Leadership is really a mindset.
00:27It's about alignment to who you are and you can lead from different seats. So I'm really excited to have
00:34this conversation as I just mentioned. It is based on another leadership development program that we
00:40have at the Academy for Advancing Excellence. And I'm really excited that we will be activating
00:45a conference by the same name in Martha's Vineyard from August 20th to the 22nd. And I have the best
00:52news that you'll hear all day. You are all invited. Yes. So feel free to check out our website
01:00advancing-excellence.com and go to the events page to see some more information about Leading
01:07Without Limits. But let's get to the business. I want to jump right into the conversation. We luckily
01:15have a little bit more time and I'm really excited that we have that time because we've got again
01:20such an esteemed panel. I want to start with Veronica. Self-awareness is the foundation for
01:27authentic leadership and knowing how to step into your own power. When did you first realize that
01:33knowing yourself was critical to how you lead? So thank you so much for that question. Thank you
01:40all for being here. Thank you, GBF, for having us as well. I think I really realized that through
01:47college. I had the honor of matriculating at not one but two HBCUs. I attended Xavier as well as Meharry.
01:56In both those institutions, we learned very soon, very early, that we would have to be twice as good
02:04to be given half a chance. Not that we weren't as good, but we would have to act in a way that we were
02:13twice as good because we wouldn't be perceived the same as our white counterparts. And I think that
02:18self-awareness for me is how I took on medical school, took on going into practice. And just as
02:28an example, as an intern, and if you know anything about medicine, when you're an intern, you're not
02:33in charge of anything. You are just trying to figure out how to survive. But I made up in my mind I was
02:39going to be the best intern. And so when I started, I was far ahead of my colleagues. And I think that
02:47going in in that way built a reputation of my excellence that opened doors for me to have
02:53opportunities for leadership. That is beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing that.
03:00Something that you said just really struck me is really about being the best and being able to show
03:05up and really get the job done. But there's sometimes that we're not at our best, that we may
03:09be a little bit out of our depth and our capacity may not be where we think it is, right? We set out
03:16to do a job and we might not have the skills and capabilities to get there. So Sarah, I'm curious to
03:21know for you, tell us about a time in your career where you had that realization, that true like
03:26what is happening right now moment. And you said, I've got to do something about this because I'm not as
03:32prepared as I need to be for this role. Thank you for the question. Near and dear to my heart,
03:39because I think it's something that many of us have faced. And I had a very clear idea, you know,
03:45in the industry I'm in of where I wanted to go, the direction of travel. But I didn't have all the
03:51tools in my kit to get there. And so two pieces. One, I was very fortunate to have mentors and advocates
03:58along the way that were willing to be honest with me to sort of hear my dreams, hear my ambition,
04:04but also lay out a roadmap and really not only recommend what I needed to do, but actually kick
04:10open doors for me to do it. Because you can, you know, want to build your capacity and take on the
04:16skills, but you also need a board of advisors and people with influence that are willing to open
04:21doors for you. So the last two, um, you know, missions I had prior to the role that I'm in
04:27today, I took on capacity and I took on risk. One was a chief marketing officer role, which was
04:34stepping into functions and areas that I hadn't been familiar with. Some, I would say half of the
04:39job I'd done, but the other half I had to learn on the job and I had to learn how to build a team,
04:44a board of advisors, to be vulnerable and acknowledge that you don't know everything.
04:49I think that's part of building capacity is to be able to say, Hey, I don't know. I need help.
04:54I need to ask questions. I need support to get there along with having the opportunity.
04:59And then the second step prior to taking on my current role was again, taking on a role that
05:05was purely sales. You know, I hadn't had up to that point, a pure sales role. And this involved
05:11moving my family from one coast to the other, um, within a pretty compressed period of time,
05:17but it was about building capacity and you have to be willing to take risk. Capacity and risk need
05:23to be used in the same sentence because you have to have the appetite for risk to push your capacity.
05:30And those two roles really brought in fundamental skills, address gaps that I had that helped me
05:36to step into the role that I have today. And just going to continue building from here.
05:41Thank you so much for that. So many great nuggets in there. And I want to call out a couple. One was
05:48mentorship, which is absolutely critical. Um, I do want to say that statistically we are typically
05:54over mentored and under sponsored, but you talked about both, which is fantastic.
05:59Something else that you talked about that I heard is really around the empowerment piece. And you,
06:05you really stepped in and lean into being more empowered and helping to make decisions that
06:11were going to continue to guide your career, uh, for years to come. And I want to come to you,
06:16Margaret, because you're with the YWCA and part of what the YWCA does is really about its empowerment.
06:23And you've been in that space for decades, providing programs and services that focus on building
06:28agency. What does true empowerment look like for women today? And how can we encourage more women
06:34to step into leadership roles? I think empowerment looks like being in the driver's seat of your own
06:41life. And oftentimes we are more than willing just to sort of do the next thing to do the next thing
06:48instead of sort of really taking, uh, the direction that we want to go. And I think the work we do at
06:55YWCA is about providing that agency so that women can be in the driver's seat. And, you know, we've
07:01done this for a very long time, but it's really Dr. Dorothy Height, who is, uh, the, the mother,
07:07the godmother of so many organizations that are here today, um, who really helped put us on a course
07:13around our mission of eliminating racism and empowering women. And that empowerment piece,
07:19I know as a black woman, we see the leadership, we want the leadership, and it is often the
07:26sponsorship or all the other pieces that belong there, that belong with leadership, um, that we
07:33have to have, uh, the ability to advocate and have agency. And that's part of leadership is opening the
07:39doors. I can only imagine all the doors that Sarah is able to open and not only mentor, but sponsor in a
07:45global position that she's in. And that's what we do for each other. And that's what the YWCA is about.
07:51I love to hear that. And I love that there is a place where people can go, women can go to access
07:57those resources because we definitely need that support because it's not easy being in this, this body
08:04and this skin. So it's very helpful that we have help and support. And I want to say that sometimes I
08:09think the support is the ability to hold the mirror up. So you get an accurate reflection.
08:15And when we have an accurate reflection of ourselves, we can be empowered. But so often
08:23the mirror is distorted because it's not being held for us. And so we can, um, get lost a bit.
08:32Thank you for that nugget. Uh, as an executive coach with my clients, I often say we're holding a
08:37mirror. I'm going to hold a mirror up for you. And we definitely do need that, that role, someone to play
08:42that role for us. Something else that I think is particularly important. And I feel like Essence
08:48Festival is such an amazing, uh, reflection of that is joy. And Dr. Takesha, I want to come to you
08:54because this has been a very joy filled weekend, but how do you stay grounded and find joy, especially
09:00during times of resistance or fear? Uh, thank you for the question. Uh, and thank you guys for being
09:07here. Um, I think it's essential for us to recognize that the joy that we have felt this
09:12weekend is not something that we should do just as a reward, right? We don't come to Essence or to
09:22other activations as a reward for joy. That joy is an essential strategy for our success during the
09:29hardest times that we have, that our ancestors have had. They always had the opportunity to find
09:36joy. So for myself, um, as a physician, as a hospital CEO, we are in a very serious business,
09:43but to be able to show up as your true authentic self, you need to also bring what makes you joyful
09:51to that workplace, whether that's your family, whether that for me, I'm in a Mardi Gras crew. I'm a
09:58true New Orleans girl. I am a captain. So I dress up with feathers and glitter and I'm coming
10:04and I'm still the CEO. My voice is hoarse today as Dr. Gillespie Bell and I talked about
10:11because I had a lot of joy last night with that Philly joint, but we have to remember that joy is an
10:20essential part of our strategy to thrive. We can't survive every day. All of the challenges that we
10:30have without intentionally making sure that we include joy in our day-to-day life.
10:40Thank you for that. And I love to hear that you were, uh, getting joy from that Philly Joan,
10:45because she's amazing. Man, let me tell you, if I could sing, if I could sing, it would be something
10:51else. But I really thought I could with Jill last night. We all can. We all can. When we're all
10:56together, we can sing well. I do want to just spend a little bit more time with you because I think it's
11:01sometimes hard to really truly access that. So when we are, you know, battling with depression,
11:07whenever we feel like the weight of the world is on our shoulders, give us one practice that makes us
11:13pause and say, let me find this joy. Just one, just give us an insight there.
11:19A great question, right? When a few days ago in the big ugly bill was being passed, right? And thinking
11:27about the weight of the world there, uh, one practice that I have is to sit back and reflect on
11:34what are the things in my ecosphere I can control, right? There's so many things that are happening
11:41that are outside of our control. What can I actionably do to make me feel like I am fighting
11:49or combating whatever that issue is, particularly when those things make us have anxiety or we are
11:58depressed. So I, I really encourage you to think about what's the one thing that you can do during
12:05that time, whether that is just to get up out of bed and go get something to eat, whether that is
12:12just to go take a walk, what can I do to change the way that I feel and then be able to get back to
12:19the strategy that I have for my life.
12:23And if I can just piggyback on that, um, I was on a panel with one of my great friends from Xavier,
12:29Dr. Dawn Brown, she's a psychiatrist and she made a point that I think we should all consider that
12:36it is okay to not be okay. And everybody is on the mental health spectrum. We are all on the mental
12:43health spectrum somewhere. And I think a lot of times as black women, as women leaders, we don't
12:50want to admit when we are struggling, when we are having trouble finding that joy, but it's okay to not
12:58be okay. And it's okay to lean into your village and let them know that you're not okay to get that
13:04support that you need to get back to your joy. Thank you both so much for that. I think it's
13:12always important when we're sitting in this space that we give people something that's actionable
13:17so that when we're in that space, we know what we can do and we have those options available to us.
13:23Something that's going on that can be challenging for people right now is the black women's
13:28unemployment rate. It's showing that we are being disproportionately impacted by today's
13:33environment. So Sarah, I'm going to come to you with for this question, but what advice can you
13:37give women who find themselves without a job or in transition?
13:43So to support that discussion and to build on what we were just saying in terms of being okay with not
13:51being okay, backstage, we were talking a little bit about the idea that we sit on these panels
13:57with the titles that we have and the things that we've done in life. And sometimes people look and
14:03say, wow, they must have it all together. And I'm here to tell you, I'll speak for myself,
14:09absolutely not. I have faced setbacks, many of them in my life personally, professionally,
14:16as a wife, as a mom, you know, the list goes on as a black woman. And I think it's incredibly important
14:25that we bring what I like to refer to as this sort of innate strength and spirit that we have that
14:31sometimes it's a love hate relationship with that strength. Okay. And I go through it all the time of
14:37like, okay, I am resilient. I am strong. I get a lot of inspiration from my ancestors, the other
14:44women in my family, those around me who've inspired me. But sometimes you have to say,
14:48I'm struggling and I need to ask for help. So my point number one is going back to the earlier
14:54point, who was on your board of advisors? Who can you bring in to help hack this with you when you
15:01are sitting on the sidelines and trying to figure out what your next move is? How do you allow yourself
15:07to find joy in even the darkest moments? Because when you are trying to figure out what's next,
15:13when everything is on the line, right? It's not that you're trying to figure out what's next and
15:17you're reclining and, you know, relaxing by the seaside. People are figuring out how to pay bills,
15:23how to take care of their family, what's going to fall apart in the balance, you know, when you're
15:28unemployed or trying to figure out how to increase your earnings, et cetera, and beyond. There's a lot,
15:33there are people depending on you, right? But even in that, you have to find joy because if you go into
15:40that dark sort of place, it will be a lot harder to present yourself to the world as someone who's
15:46ready for next. So finding that joy within, tapping into that strength, but when you don't have it,
15:52tapping into the strength of people around you, people that you trust, is so critical and key.
15:58You have to market yourself. You have to brand yourself, right? In that moment, sitting there and saying,
16:03okay, who am I? Not what does my resume say? And I've gone through this exercise, but who am I? What am I
16:09bringing as a person, as a leader, as someone who's influential, as a potential team member, employee to
16:15the table? Who am I? Not the sequence of jobs that you've done or things that you've done, but what are your
16:21values? What are your leadership qualities? Who are you? And having leadership qualities isn't just because
16:27you've been the boss of a lot of people or you've been at a certain level. It's innately what you
16:31choose to lead yourself every day, how you show up in community. These are all ways that you can brand
16:37yourself. So I encourage you to step away from your resume and really write down on a page, who am I?
16:44What do I bring? What energy do I bring? Why am I sort of critical to the environments that I'm
16:49pushing, you know, I'm proposing to be a part of? So that's key. Creativity is key. Don't always kind of go to
16:56what you know or what you're comfortable with. You have to sort of say, where am I going to be
17:01pushed and challenged? What's maybe not obvious? If someone says, hey, consider this, consider it.
17:07Even if it doesn't feel obvious to you based on what you've done, be willing to take risk.
17:13So this is all tied to the capacity point as well, because when you are figuring out next, you have to
17:18lean into areas that may feel uncomfortable. You may have to build your capacity. You may have to take an
17:24online class or take a class or sit in a seminar so that you are more attractive for that role.
17:30But lean into taking it as a moment to not only find next, but build yourself. Strengthen your
17:35proposition. Strengthen your brand and how you speak and find people to practice it with.
17:40And then the last piece is don't be willing to ask for the opportunity. I think sometimes people call
17:47me, I speak, I have a lot of mentees and people who reach out for advice. And I say to them,
17:51did you ask for the opportunity? Are you asking me for an opportunity? Be willing to say it. What is
17:57the worst that someone can say to you? No? Okay, so you pick the pieces up and you keep going, but ask
18:03for the opportunity. And when you have the opportunity, make sure you're asking and discussing
18:08the hard things. What do you think is fair in terms of compensation? What are the conditions that you
18:13need to support your family and your needs every single day? Right? Take yourself there, project yourself
18:18there beyond the point of yes to say once I have a yes, then what needs to come with it to make
18:23sure that I can live my life, I can find that joy, and that it fits with me holistically. So that
18:28creativity, the branding, the empowerment, the board of advisors and being willing to do things
18:33that may not be obvious are the things that can kick doors open and not to allow self-doubt to take
18:40you to a dark place. Know that you deserve to take up the space in the air and that you are great.
18:45Say that to yourself every morning and don't forget it. It's just a season. It's not forever. Okay?
18:57That was fantastic. Thank you so much. The reason it's so resonant is because there were so many
19:04applicable steps. That's a blueprint, right? That's very easy to follow. There are action steps in there
19:10so that you can get to the other side of whatever it is you're going through. And what was interesting
19:14about it? It was so relevant not just to employment but just to life. Like thank you for that. Something
19:21that you mentioned that I want to put a fine point on is centered around values. So I'm a big fan of
19:27core values. When I'm coaching clients, it's one of the first thing that I ask them about. And sometimes
19:32people don't know what their core values are. We have different exercises, etc. to help them find those
19:37core values. But it's really important that we understand our deep why so that when we are,
19:43we find ourselves in places and spaces that we need to be very strong and resilient, we can actually
19:48tap on something. And Margaret, I'm coming to you. And the reason I'm coming to you is I want to talk a
19:55little bit more about a moment that you may have had where you really had to choose yourself. You had
20:01to really reflect on your values. Think about who you are from a vision standpoint. And despite maybe there
20:08was some pressure that you needed to conform to not be who you are, what helped you stand in that choice
20:14even if there was risk involved?
20:17Well, Aaliyah, I was working for a corporation and started as a manager and then became national director
20:26and then vice president of sales and marketing within about a three and a half year period.
20:32And one day, the company was sold. And several weeks after that, I remember getting a fax that said I wasn't a team
20:43player. And I read that fax and was heartbroken. I remember sitting at my desk, literally, emotionally falling
20:55apart. And the next day, I woke up. And I said, wait a minute, I don't do crazy.
21:07And I called the person I needed to call and said, I believe you don't see me going forward. And I'm happy
21:17to package up and prepare for the next person. And it really was a very powerful moment for me to have
21:27that level of agency and to recognize that I didn't have to do crazy. And it's just been something that
21:36has stayed with me in my career. And being able to create that voice, I think that's so important for us
21:45as women. We have so much more power and so much more agency than we often recognize because we're
21:53always fighting to get to that next thing. But that voice, the inner voice is so important. All the things
22:00that the doctors have said and Sarah have said just really play such an important part of our lives,
22:08of really being reflective, of looking inside. But I heard that voice and speaking to me loudly. I do know
22:16where the voice, who the voice belonged to. And it's just been a guiding, a guiding mantra for me.
22:26Can I add, just to build upon that, that piece about knowing your core values, not, as Sarah said,
22:34what your resume speaks about you. That's what you do. That's not who you are. But if you know your core values
22:42and let that be that guiding force for you and really sit down and figure out what it is that makes you move
22:51every day, then you'll determine, right, what it is that I should be doing to have the greatest impact. The world tells us
22:58we should be in different places and you should continue to strive and climb. But maybe that's not
23:04where I want to be if my core values are being met where I am and be willing to listen to that voice and
23:12make those tough decisions. Love that. I want to deviate a little bit from our preparation and just talk for
23:19a moment. And I know we're getting short on time. Just talk for a moment about, tell me about a time when you
23:26led without limits, where you were just unmistakably who you were. You chose yourself. You felt very
23:33empowered. You were telling your own story. You were the author, you know, the captain of your fate.
23:40I would like for all of us to share a story when we led without limits.
23:47I would say that in this space and in this time, as an OBGYN and a public health expert,
23:54I am doing that on a daily basis. I, over the last couple of years, have written op-eds in
24:02national media, the New York Times and MSNBC. And I all, and my public health position is in state
24:09government. And so I always have this feeling of, am I going to get in trouble? Am I going to upset
24:16somebody? But I have to go back to, I am in this role because I'm trying to make it better for me.
24:23I'm trying to make it better for us. And so regardless of whatever is over my shoulder or
24:28whatever fear I have from who is going to be upset in, you know, in, in my role in the government,
24:35I'm, I know because I pray and I'm led by God and I'm, I know that I'm making that right decision.
24:43Um, and so that is to me, how I'm leading every day with, without limits.
24:53So, um, for me, I have the pleasure of serving, uh, as a president and CEO, uh, of a small hospital
25:01here, uh, in new Orleans, which is our only, uh, city owned hospital, but I am the only African
25:07American female CEO of a hospital in the state of Louisiana. So, um, as we speak about, uh,
25:15leading without limits, the making the decision to do that, I had been 10 years as the assistant
25:21state health officer. Uh, it was a, a, a good paying job as my mama would say. Um, it, it met,
25:28uh, my core values of being able to have an impact on those who didn't have a voice. Um, but when I was
25:34offered the opportunity to step back into the community that nurtured me and helped to bring
25:40back healthcare to that community that had been devastated from hurricane Katrina, I was met by
25:46a lot of mentors who said, why, why would you ever do that? It seems like a step backwards.
25:52And we fast forward 10 years and we are at the crux of politics and health, uh, in our people,
26:01with the COVID pandemic. And I knew then that I was in the role to be able to lead, to be the first
26:07to have our vaccine mobile units put up, not our large health systems, but my hospital to be the
26:14first to say, this is an epicenter. This is what we need for our people. So I continue to leave without
26:20limits and decide every day that I don't need to move to another place. This is the place that my voice
26:26has impact, not just on healthcare, but the workforce development, the economic development
26:31that needs our voice. Thank you for that.
26:38So I, I feel that I'm in that era in my life personally and professionally. Um, and I think
26:46it's come with the passage of time and all of the experiences that I've had that I do feel that I am
26:51living without the limitations that I once had, the limitations that were true and concrete,
26:59the limitations that were in my own mind. And that's a beautiful thing. And I, I want to lean
27:03even further into this and grow further into this and in my life. And I always say, I wish I had arrived
27:08here sooner, earlier when I was younger, because I came from the school of, you know, you work twice as
27:15hard to get half as far and, you know, take, take the good, you know, stable thing. And the, and I
27:22really admire the bravery that I see, you know, amongst younger generations of getting there and
27:27arriving there early. So if you are a part of that generation, or you're in that mindset, stay there
27:32and don't ever compromise. You know, in my current role at L'Oreal, I think, you know, this, this is a,
27:38L'Oreal gives me a platform to do what I love to do in this industry. I work in the beauty industry.
27:43I've been in this industry for a long time. I'm very passionate about connecting the heart of what
27:47we do with the consumers that we serve, making sure that diverse range of consumers feel seen.
27:54You know, I hadn't always felt seen growing up, you know, as a young person and looking at the ads
28:00and looking at the products and saying, where am I, you know, in all of this? These are products that
28:04are part of my life that I connect with emotionally from the fragrance I wear to the cleanser on my skin,
28:09but I don't see anyone like me. And I think there's always been a purpose to make what we do
28:14as global and as relevant as possible to consumers everywhere, because it's beyond just something
28:19that's in a bottle. It's something that makes people feel good and confident when they walk.
28:23It's something that defines who people are and, you know, your signature scent defines what people
28:27know about you and who you are. And also the opportunities that it provides employment-wise
28:33for, you know, women and women of color, from chemists all the way to people who are running
28:37brands and behind the camera, in front of the camera and beyond. So our industry is big and it's bold,
28:43but you need people from diverse backgrounds to be at the table to actually sort of make sure that
28:49what we're doing is relevant. And so at L'Oreal, I have the platform to do that and the platform to be
28:53authentically myself, which is why I'm here, because none of this works unless I can be authentically
28:59myself. That is not something I'm willing to compromise on. And so it needed to be sort of
29:05a fit for me in that sense. And I see not only me doing that, but I see other leaders doing that.
29:09I see the way that we walk the talk. I see the way that sort of consumers can see it because they
29:15demand that of us and they need to feel confident that there are leaders behind the scenes that reflect
29:19them and reflect their interests. So I think in life, you know, understanding my purpose and the
29:25imprint I want to leave on this earth because we're here for a season, but professionally,
29:30how can I show up as my authentic self and how does that benefit our end consumer, my team every
29:35day so that they feel that they can be themselves? Because I think there's a, there's a thing here
29:38about leading without limits. When you lead without limits, when you are authentically yourself,
29:43you're actually modeling that behavior for people around you. We have, you know, teams of people
29:48every day that see what we do, that are looking to us to model certain values and be an inspiration to
29:53them. So we are then inspiring others to lead without limits, to show up as their authentic self.
29:59If I don't do that, then I'm saying leave part of yourself at home. We're not interested in that.
30:04I'm saying lead with limits instead of without limits. So I'm very cognizant of that every day,
30:09of that the more I can step into that era, the more I'm empowering others to step into that era as
30:14well and be uncompromising about finding the partnerships and the platforms that allow you
30:19to do just that versus leaving part of yourself at home and holding back because that will sort of
30:26create stress that will sort of take you down. It will not allow you to really sort of express yourself
30:32and blossom and bloom in the way you, and I know both sides of the coin. So I'm saying this from experience
30:38that when you can authentically be yourself, so many doors will open.
30:41Absolutely. Thank you so much for that. Margaret, love to hear from you on this.
30:46I don't know that I have ever truly experienced leadership without limits.
30:54There are limits all around me every single day. There are obstacles in the business,
31:02and there are limits that I have to regularly remind myself, hey, I don't have to carry that anymore.
31:12And it's always such an important exercise around seeing the limits I place on myself and seeing
31:25the limits others project onto me. And honestly, it is, it's just a level of
31:32intentionality every single day to keep pushing forward. So much of joy is also a real battle.
31:42Because part of my legacy is understanding the legacy of slavery in my lineage and the message of work.
31:52Work. While I'm not carrying a cotton bag, hauling cotton,
32:01that does translate for me to you better work seven days a week. You better work seven days a week.
32:08And that's a limit. What Sarah just said, holding on to creating space. I keep limiting myself believing
32:20that that that thing, the seven days a week, is what I need in order to reflect
32:30leadership. And that's a false, it's false. It's a false paradigm that I'm always struggling against.
32:43And I see it with a greater level of intentionality, mainly because I work with amazing young people
32:50and amazing women who are breaking, breaking, breaking, breaking those barriers and leading limitless.
32:58But it is an area where I have to really work very hard around it.
33:04Thank you so much for that. I'm really appreciating just the vulnerability of sharing in that way.
33:12And there are sometimes boundaries that we run up against and just the recognition that that exists.
33:19And sometimes we have struggles. It's something that Sarah brought up that we were talking about behind the scenes.
33:24So what I heard just as we begin to wrap this up, leading without limits is really about how you choose to lead.
33:34It's about you. Some of what you heard here today is around faith and courage, freedom, surrender in some ways, representation.
33:45Being authentic is actually contagious. And then there's intentionality.
33:50So those are all ways that you can lead without limits. But what's most important is that you get to decide.
33:58You get to decide how you want to show up and lead without limits.
34:03Thank you so much to all of my panelists. Please give them a big, big round of applause.
34:10And don't forget the best news that you heard today. You are all invited to Martha's Vineyard for leading without limits.
34:18Thank you so much again for your time, your energy and your attention.
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