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How these authors’ everyday experiences shape—and sometimes contrast with—the vivid and paradoxical worlds they bring to life in their narratives.
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00:00All righty. We see a couple folks coming in. We're just going to slowly get started.
00:05We have our mystery panel here with two illustrious mystery writers.
00:10As a quick heads up, N.E. Davenport is not going to be able to make it this afternoon,
00:14but we still have an amazing panel made up of Miss Christian L. Berry and Brendan Slocum.
00:21Woo!
00:24Christian is the author of We Don't Talk About Carol, a beautiful debut novel delving into family,
00:30community, motherhood, and secrets, and Brendan is the author of The Violin Conspiracy,
00:37Symphony of Secrets, and The Dark Maestro in a musical series. Come on out.
00:41All righty. I wanted to just get started with asking you guys a little bit about your most recent novels and just telling us a little bit about your journey to publishing this around this time this year.
01:02Sure. So my book is We Don't Talk About Carol, and it follows my protagonist, Sydney, who discovers that she had an aunt who was one of six black girls to go missing from the same Raleigh, North Carolina neighborhood back in the 1960s.
01:27No one has ever found these girls, and no one in Sydney's family has even mentioned her aunt's name.
01:33So Sydney's a former crime reporter, so in a lot of ways she's the best possible person to find out what happened to Carol and the missing girls,
01:41except that investigating another missing person story led her to experiencing a psychotic break.
01:48But still, Sydney can't help herself from figuring out this mystery, but in doing so, she winds up putting lots of things in jeopardy, including her marriage.
01:58She has to wrestle with her own mental health during this time.
02:04And so, yeah, anyway.
02:06So, yeah, essentially, while this is sort of a, there are a lot of difficult topics that my main character wrestles with,
02:16at the end of the day, it's a hopeful story about, you know, what happens when one person doesn't give up
02:24and finding what happened to their missing relative.
02:34Have y'all read that?
02:36That sounds like a good book.
02:38I'm looking forward to it.
02:39Was it good?
02:41Okay, y'all don't know.
02:42My book is The Dark Maestro.
02:45It's the story of a young man growing up in Southeast D.C.
02:48I don't know if you guys know too much about Southeast D.C., but it's rough.
02:52It is rough.
02:53Like, documentaries and stuff are made about how rough it is.
02:56And he discovers the cello, and the cello is his way to get out of the hood.
03:01His father is a low-level drug dealer who's doing the best he can.
03:05His mother figure is his father's girlfriend who's also involved in gang activity.
03:10Kid works and works and works, and he makes it to the absolute top of the top.
03:14He is a soloist with the New York Philharmonic.
03:16Right after his debut performance, the best performance he's probably ever going to give,
03:23the FBI come and say, you're in witness protection now.
03:26We've got to go.
03:27He loses his career.
03:28His family is on the run.
03:30They're trying to figure out a way to get their lives back without having been killed first.
03:36And it goes all different directions, and it's really a question of how far would you go for those that you love.
03:44You could say one thing, but when the time really comes, how far would you go?
03:48So, I know she read it.
03:51See?
03:52It's just front.
03:54No, but it's a great story.
03:56I think it's a very complimentary story.
03:58Sounds like it.
03:58Excellent.
03:59I'm excited to read the both of these.
04:01So, you both traverse pretty extraordinary terrain in both of your books.
04:11It's a lot of complicated dynamics interacting with pretty extraordinary circumstances for your characters.
04:17But on the day-to-day, I'm sure you live pretty ordinary routines.
04:21Maybe.
04:21Maybe I'm wrong.
04:22Maybe I'm wrong.
04:23How do you kind of draw from personal experience in your day-to-day to really, like, create these dynamic landscapes?
04:34So, when I'm reading a mystery story and a main character is able to somehow drop everything in their life to pursue a mystery,
04:44it always strikes me as deeply unrealistic because, like, I have a full-time job and a husband and friends and commitments,
04:51and I would get in a lot of trouble if I just fell off the face of the earth to investigate a mystery.
04:56So, I wanted to make sure that my main character also had a really rich and complex life.
05:01So, my main character, she has a full-time job.
05:04She works a day job in PR just like me.
05:07So, I did draw upon that, that background.
05:10And then she also, she and her husband are struggling to have children.
05:15So, I was really interested in exploring the idea of breaking generational traumas.
05:23And a lot of times, if people have had, you know, traumas in their childhoods,
05:28they can have lots of doubts, potentially, about whether to have children of their own.
05:33And so, that's something that I really wanted my main character to explore, too.
05:36So, I tried to find things that would be relevant to the story,
05:40but also, maybe make this character feel like a richer and fuller person.
05:45Somebody you might relate to in a lot of different ways.
05:47Absolutely.
05:49Same.
05:50Same.
05:50Just kidding.
05:51Same question.
05:53Same question.
05:53Yes, sir.
05:55I 100% agree.
05:57I try to write with authenticity.
05:59You know, you read books where everything just lines up perfectly.
06:02And I don't know anyone who has ever experienced everything going right, ever.
06:08So, a lot of authenticity, a lot of realism.
06:12And I like to set my books in places that I know.
06:15A lot of them are set in North Carolina, D.C., Virginia,
06:18places that I've lived and had experiences in.
06:21And, you know, this particular book, Dark Maestro,
06:24with it being set in Southeast D.C. in the beginning,
06:28I live in Northeast D.C.
06:30I taught in Southeast D.C.
06:32I see everything that's going on in this book every day.
06:35I see it all the time.
06:36I see the drugs.
06:37I see what the kids are trying to do to better themselves.
06:40I see the parents that, you know,
06:42I don't know what the parents are doing, you know,
06:45but they're doing their things.
06:47And I see it.
06:48And I really wanted a clear perspective
06:51of what life in Southeast D.C. would be like for people who,
06:55you know, they would say,
06:56nah, that's not real.
06:57Stuff like that doesn't really happen.
06:59You see that on TV.
07:00That's not real.
07:01But I wanted to bring a sense of accuracy
07:04just so people can have a clear perspective
07:07that's different from their own.
07:09Absolutely.
07:09And on the flip side of that,
07:11do you experience moments of dissonance with your characters,
07:14even in the worlds you're creating?
07:16All the time.
07:16Yeah.
07:17Yeah.
07:17I've learned not to fight it.
07:19You don't fight it.
07:19You just go with it.
07:20Because once the character is set, in my opinion,
07:23once the character is set, that's the character.
07:25If they're a headstrong person
07:26who's going to do what they want to do,
07:27it doesn't make sense for them to,
07:30okay, well, I'll just take your advice and go and do this.
07:32That doesn't make sense.
07:33Yeah.
07:33You're either going to learn the hard way,
07:35you're going to do it your way,
07:36or I follow the character, never fight it.
07:38I love that.
07:39Follow the character, never fight it.
07:41Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
07:44Also, I mean, like, at the end of the day,
07:45I am a fairly boring, normal person,
07:47and no one wants to read about that in a character.
07:50No, I would.
07:52So, yeah, I think it's, I don't know,
07:54I think more complex characters are more interesting for me to read,
07:58and they're also more interesting for me to write.
08:00Absolutely.
08:01Well, do the worlds and perspectives your characters represent
08:05challenge the way you see yourselves?
08:09Challenge the way I see myself?
08:11I mean, yeah.
08:13So, I mean, I think one of the main challenges
08:16that my main character goes through
08:18is that her family has a lot of secrecy.
08:20So, she grew up in a household with the motto of
08:23what happens in this house stays in this house.
08:25And this is very much a work of fiction,
08:28but I also grew up with that motto for very different reasons.
08:31And so, I think there was something very cathartic
08:33about writing about, you know,
08:35trying to unpack all those things you might have learned as a child,
08:40as far as, you know, keeping things to yourself,
08:42or not processing things fully,
08:45not talking about them amongst the people
08:46that you maybe have experienced those traumas with.
08:49And so, I think, yeah, I did definitely learn a lot
08:52and probably heal a lot in the process of writing this story.
08:55For me, it was really cathartic
08:59because when you're a kid
09:00and you're experiencing all of this stuff,
09:02who are you going to tell?
09:04You know, there's no one you can vent to.
09:05No one at all.
09:07There are also, in this book particularly,
09:09just for me,
09:10there is a section,
09:11a father-son section,
09:13and we can all relate to parental dysfunction, I'm sure.
09:18I didn't get along great with my dad for a long time,
09:21but I resolved that in this story.
09:23I was able to do that,
09:24and I think a lot of young black,
09:27well, I'm not young,
09:28but black men can relate to it,
09:30and it was a really cathartic experience
09:32to be able to say what I said in this story.
09:35That's what I wanted to hear from my dad for decades, you know,
09:39and he actually passed away before we got to resolve our stuff,
09:42so it was a necessary thing for me to be able to do.
09:46So, you know, just, I was able to pour it out,
09:49and I was happy to be able to do that.
09:51Yeah, to that point,
09:52were there moments in your writing process
09:54where your day-to-day emotional state
09:56was kind of informing how you were guiding the characters
09:59and the emotional worlds they were existing in?
10:03I'm going to jump in on that one.
10:06For me, yes,
10:07because as I was writing Dark Maestro,
10:09I was really, really, really sick
10:12to the point where I almost died,
10:14and I didn't know if I was going to finish this book,
10:16so I really wanted to get it done.
10:17Oh, wow.
10:18And it started off as one story,
10:21but it actually ended up being something else
10:23because of what I was going through.
10:24I'll just tell you, we're all friends, right?
10:26Yes.
10:26Okay, cool.
10:28I actually had a kidney transplant 10 months ago,
10:31and I was, before my transplant,
10:33I was down to 4% function on my kidneys,
10:37and I was about to die.
10:40All I could do was ball up on a couch
10:42and type a little bit every day.
10:44That's all I could do.
10:45So that has a huge,
10:47it plays a big part in this story.
10:50So my day-to-day life
10:52definitely influenced the writing of this book,
10:55and I think it ended up being okay.
10:58Has anybody read this book yet?
11:00What are y'all waiting for?
11:01We're about to.
11:02Y'all going to buy it, right?
11:03All right, it's a good book.
11:05But yeah, so yes, sorry.
11:07Wow, I'm so glad you're okay.
11:09Yes.
11:10Oh, did you know that they don't take the old ones out?
11:13I have a new one right here.
11:14Oh, my goodness.
11:15Yeah, I got three, yeah.
11:17Wow.
11:18Only one works, though.
11:22Wow.
11:23Wow.
11:24Glad you're okay.
11:25Yeah, definitely.
11:27It's good living in God.
11:28That's what it is.
11:29Wow.
11:34I know.
11:35My bad.
11:36I should let you go first.
11:37No, no, no.
11:37Well, no, I mean, definitely a different situation.
11:40I think that, you know,
11:42in terms of, like, how my real life impacted the story,
11:44some of it, like, so my main character,
11:46as I mentioned earlier,
11:47she is navigating fertility struggles with her husband,
11:50and that hasn't been my personal journey.
11:53But, you know, I was the same age as Sydney
11:55when I started writing this novel,
11:57which was, you know, late 30s.
11:59And at that time,
12:00if you were a person with a uterus,
12:02everyone is asking you what your plans are
12:04when it comes to having children.
12:06And so I think I was able to put a lot
12:08of those kind of pressures
12:09and things that you're considering
12:10if you're making the decision
12:12about whether to have children or not
12:14into this story.
12:15And something else that also is a big part
12:18of the story is just the disproportionate
12:21or the different ways that black missing people
12:25are treated in this country.
12:27So, for example, you know,
12:29black Americans are going missing
12:31at a disproportionately high rate,
12:33yet our cases are less likely to be covered
12:34by the media,
12:36and they're less likely to be solved.
12:38And I was getting frustrated every time
12:40I would see news coverage
12:41or more often, you know,
12:44not seeing news coverage
12:45about missing people of color.
12:47And so I was able to put a lot
12:48of that frustration into the book.
12:50And so it's my hope by writing this story
12:52and, you know, putting it into a,
12:55what I think is a page turning mystery,
12:57will hopefully also just gain awareness
12:59for this very real issue.
13:02Absolutely. Absolutely.
13:03And I know this is your debut book.
13:06It is.
13:07Congratulations.
13:09How do you think you've changed
13:11in the process of writing it?
13:13As a writer,
13:13are you already looking to the future,
13:15other works?
13:16Like, what feels different for you now?
13:18I mean, everything feels different.
13:19The fact that now strangers
13:21are reaching out to me on Instagram
13:22to tell me that they really enjoyed it
13:24or that they related to my main character
13:26in some way,
13:27that's been really nice.
13:28I think it has definitely been
13:29a big confidence boost
13:30that, you know, I'm like,
13:32oh, this isn't,
13:33not just my, like, lifelong dream,
13:35like, now it's actually my reality,
13:36which is really wonderful.
13:38So I'm hopeful that I can just continue
13:40to write more and more novels
13:41that hopefully also illustrate
13:43different aspects of, you know,
13:44the black experience.
13:46And I also want to read
13:47about more characters
13:48that, like, look like me
13:49and also have, like, you know,
13:51lots of the different things
13:52that I, you know,
13:54have had to deal with in my life.
13:55And so I'm hopeful that other readers
13:57can relate to those experiences too.
13:59A hundred percent.
14:01Yeah.
14:02And Brendan, this is your,
14:03correct me if I'm wrong,
14:04third mystery book?
14:05Yes.
14:06Amazing.
14:07What is your love affair
14:08with the mystery genre?
14:10It sells books.
14:13No, I've always been
14:15a big mystery reader.
14:17Like, when I was a kid,
14:18Sherlock Holmes,
14:19Agatha Christie,
14:20I would love that stuff.
14:22First mystery I read cover to cover
14:24was Hound of the Baskervilles.
14:26And it scared me
14:29because I was like,
14:30whoa, you know,
14:31people can do this stuff
14:32and there's a shoe.
14:33Anyway, if you read the book,
14:34you know there's one shoe
14:35in the thing.
14:36And it was, you know,
14:37I just always loved it.
14:38And when I was writing
14:39my first book,
14:40The Violin Conspiracy,
14:42it was basically
14:43an autobiography.
14:44But my agent was like,
14:46you need a hook.
14:47I said, well,
14:48my violin did get stolen
14:49when I was a kid.
14:50And he was like,
14:51that's your mystery.
14:52I was like, all right, cool.
14:53So I'll write it.
14:53And I got to be able
14:55to put it in.
14:56And it was nice
14:57because if you've not read it,
15:00the protagonist gets to play
15:04on that violin
15:05that was stolen from me.
15:07So I got one more performance
15:09out of it without having it.
15:11So it was nice
15:12to be able to do that.
15:14And with mysteries,
15:14you can open up different worlds
15:16and different people.
15:18People you think are one thing,
15:20but they end up being
15:20something completely different.
15:22And that's in everyday life.
15:23And it's just fun.
15:24It's fun to do.
15:24They're fun to read.
15:25I love that.
15:26I love that.
15:27And on the end
15:28of this third book,
15:29what do you think
15:30is the most different
15:31about your writing process
15:32versus your first two?
15:34If anything.
15:36Honestly, I am getting looser.
15:38I'm loosening up.
15:39First one, in contrast,
15:42would be very stiff.
15:43Second one was a little looser.
15:45And this one,
15:45I just kind of,
15:46I'm just being myself
15:47through the entire book.
15:48I've had friends read it
15:49and say, Brennan, that's you.
15:51So yeah,
15:51it was easy for me to write.
15:53So yeah, there you go.
15:55And I think, you know,
15:56we know ourselves best
15:58and it's always fun
15:58to throw a little spin
16:00in on who you are
16:01just to keep people guessing.
16:03That's always fun.
16:04Exactly.
16:05I love that.
16:06Without giving anything away,
16:08are there favorite parts
16:09of both of your novels
16:10that you really want people
16:11to know about
16:12or the world to know about
16:13as a takeaway?
16:14Oh, let's see.
16:19That's a really tough question.
16:21I mean, I think like
16:22one of the main takeaways
16:24for the book, I think,
16:25is that, you know,
16:26if you want to move forward,
16:30you know, in your life,
16:31you first kind of have
16:31to take a step back
16:32and look back at your past
16:34and be willing to
16:35kind of reconcile with it.
16:37And so, like I said too,
16:38there's, you know,
16:38there's some heavy aspects
16:40to the story,
16:41but ultimately it is
16:42a hopeful one.
16:43And so, like that's something
16:44that I want to like
16:44leave people with is,
16:46you know, yes,
16:46we all have things
16:48in our past
16:48that might have been
16:49difficult or challenging,
16:50but if we, you know,
16:52actually take the time
16:53to process them,
16:55you know, seek help
16:55if you need to process them,
16:57that you can come out
16:59on the other side,
17:00you know,
17:00and maybe even heal
17:02with the people,
17:03you know,
17:04maybe participated even
17:05in the harming,
17:06you know,
17:07as far as family goes.
17:11I want people
17:12pretty much
17:12the same message.
17:14All of,
17:14I'd like for all
17:15of my stories
17:16to end hopefully
17:17on an uprising note.
17:20I've read
17:21and seen too many
17:22movies and stories
17:23about black people
17:24are this,
17:25black people are that,
17:26black men are this,
17:27black men are that,
17:28and I wanted to put
17:29stuff out there
17:30that shows that,
17:31you know,
17:31there is more to us.
17:33There's so many more
17:34layers to us
17:34than what you were
17:36presented with.
17:37So everything
17:38is always going to end
17:39on a,
17:39not necessarily on a high,
17:41but there will be
17:42hope that,
17:43you know,
17:43someone,
17:44maybe it's not
17:45the protagonist,
17:45maybe it's someone
17:46else in the book
17:47or even the reader,
17:49you're going to,
17:49there's something
17:50for you out there.
17:51You've just got
17:51to keep going.
17:52No matter what you do,
17:53never,
17:53ever,
17:54ever,
17:54ever give up.
17:55And that's the message
17:56that I try to put out
17:57in every story
17:58that I write.
18:00Fabulous.
18:01I'm doing a quick
18:01time check.
18:03I think we have
18:04a couple minutes.
18:05Wanted to open
18:05the floor
18:06for questions.
18:13Congratulations
18:13for your debut book.
18:15How amazing.
18:17You're at the essence.
18:18That's a big deal.
18:19That's a big deal.
18:21And I saw him,
18:22I said,
18:22Lord,
18:22he looks like
18:23a miniature maze.
18:23So I just,
18:25he can pass
18:27with maze brother,
18:28you know,
18:29like I said.
18:30Is that good?
18:30Yeah,
18:31that's good.
18:32Maze,
18:32you know.
18:33Okay.
18:33Beverly and Maze,
18:34you know what I'm saying?
18:36Rest in peace.
18:36Rest in peace.
18:37But did you ever
18:38get a chance
18:39to kind of
18:40reconcile with your dad
18:42at any point?
18:44I'm getting real personal
18:45here because
18:46we are friends.
18:47Yes.
18:47Because you're going
18:48to buy this book.
18:49Yes.
18:49And you're going
18:50to buy this one too.
18:50Yeah,
18:51but I can't do it today,
18:52but I'm going to buy it.
18:53I'm going to buy it.
18:54I'm going to buy it.
18:54Cool, cool.
18:57Yes,
18:58in a sense,
18:59I did at his funeral.
19:00I said a lot of stuff
19:01that I wanted to say
19:02and he actually
19:03apologized to me,
19:05which was a start.
19:06He didn't know
19:07what he was apologizing for,
19:08but he knew
19:08he needed to apologize
19:09for something.
19:10So I'm cool with that.
19:12You know,
19:12I think about him every day.
19:13I pray for him every day
19:14and, you know,
19:15I miss him.
19:16I miss him.
19:17I miss what we could have had.
19:19That's good.
19:20And then my last question,
19:21how long did it take you
19:22to write your book
19:23and how long did it take
19:24you to write yours?
19:25That is so messed up.
19:27Oh my God.
19:28Okay,
19:30well,
19:30I started writing this
19:31in May of 2020.
19:33So I've been working
19:35on it for five years.
19:36I probably wrote
19:37the first draft
19:38in about two years
19:39and then I had to like
19:40edit it a lot,
19:40revise it a lot,
19:41revise it a lot
19:42with my editors
19:42at the Penguin Random House team.
19:44So it was about
19:45a five-year process
19:46all together.
19:48And look,
19:48they got your song on,
19:49man.
19:50Oh,
19:50I know.
19:51I wrote this
19:55because I was sick.
19:56I was mad
19:57when I wrote it.
19:58I wrote my first book
19:59in two months.
20:00I wrote my second book
20:01in four months.
20:02I was pissed
20:03because I was sick
20:04and it took me
20:04six months to write this.
20:06Come on.
20:07But you're still alive.
20:08God is good.
20:09Absolutely.
20:09Yeah.
20:10Y'all be blessed.
20:11I like her.
20:12Thank you so much.
20:12You know what?
20:12I'll buy you my book.
20:13You don't even have to buy it.
20:14I'll buy you this one
20:15and you can buy that one.
20:17I got you.
20:19Any other questions?
20:21All righty.
20:23I wanted to cue up.
20:25Oh,
20:25yes,
20:26ma'am.
20:31I know in mystery writing
20:33there are certain
20:33sometimes elements
20:34or tropes
20:35that authors
20:36want to follow
20:37or put into.
20:38How do you feel
20:39like your books
20:39are kind of
20:39stepping out of that
20:40or do you actually
20:41think it's a good thing
20:42for mystery writers
20:43or writers who might
20:44be in the room
20:45to follow it
20:45if they're trying
20:46to get started?
20:48That's a good question.
20:51You know,
20:51that's a really good question.
20:52I'm not sure
20:52if there are any
20:53tropes necessarily
20:56in my novel.
20:58I'm trying to think.
20:59I think the one challenge
21:00for me is just like
21:01the twists.
21:02There is a big twist
21:03in this book
21:04but now I feel like
21:04there's a lot of pressure
21:05for my second novel
21:06to have like
21:07another big twist.
21:08I'm like,
21:08oh,
21:09can I always be like
21:09the big twist author?
21:11I don't know
21:11if that's,
21:12you know,
21:14achievable.
21:16But I think
21:16it's important
21:17to at least read
21:17a lot of,
21:18you know,
21:19mysteries
21:19and be aware
21:20of what all the tropes are
21:21so you can kind of
21:21either use them
21:22or subvert them,
21:24you know,
21:25in that way.
21:28So,
21:28yeah.
21:29I'm not sure.
21:29How do you feel
21:30about tropes?
21:30I think I agree.
21:34There's a basic formula
21:35to a mystery
21:36and I think
21:37the twists
21:38and turns
21:39make it interesting
21:40and that was
21:41the hardest thing
21:42for me too
21:42just keep coming up
21:43with stuff
21:44and coming up
21:44with stuff
21:45but I really
21:46don't feel like
21:47everyone follows
21:48the same plot.
21:50It's not going to be
21:51okay,
21:52there's someone
21:52discovers something,
21:53someone discovers
21:54something else
21:54and then they solve it.
21:56I, you know,
21:56I think it's gone
21:57way beyond that
21:58which is great
21:58because it's,
22:00there's a big element
22:01of storytelling
22:02in the mystery writing
22:04I think that you can do
22:05because you can get
22:07a whole mystery
22:08but you can get
22:09a whole backstory
22:09on someone else
22:10that's even more
22:11interesting than the mystery
22:12so I think
22:14we're evolving
22:15as mystery writers
22:16all the time.
22:17You know,
22:17I read something
22:18and I'm like,
22:18whoa, okay,
22:19I'm going to do
22:19something like that
22:20because I would
22:21never have thought
22:21of that
22:22and, you know,
22:22we just kind of
22:23push each other along
22:24you know,
22:25and that hardest part
22:26is a twist
22:27and I'm just going
22:27to tell you
22:27in that second book,
22:29you're going to be great.
22:30It's going to be fantastic.
22:32Wait, can I ask you,
22:33do you plot
22:34your books
22:35in advance?
22:36I outline everything.
22:38I know exactly
22:39what this book
22:40is going to be
22:40but it doesn't always
22:41stay that way
22:41but, yeah,
22:42I have to.
22:43How long do you
22:44spend plotting,
22:45like outlining?
22:46A couple of days.
22:47Wow, you're so fast.
22:51You know why?
22:52Because I'm a musician,
22:53I'm a violinist
22:54from the age of nine
22:55I've been taught
22:56routine and discipline.
22:58You get up,
22:59you do it.
22:59I write,
23:00when I'm writing a book,
23:01I write every single day
23:02until I'm done
23:02and you just do it
23:04and then I can go
23:05and do the rest of the stuff
23:06that I need to do
23:07for the rest of the day
23:07but only after I finish that.
23:10It's a good training,
23:11good violin training.
23:13That's good advice.
23:14Amazing.
23:15Well, unfortunately
23:16we have wrapped up on time
23:18but there will be
23:19an opportunity
23:19for a book signing
23:20right after this
23:22when you all exit
23:23to the left of the stage
23:24there will be an opportunity
23:25to purchase the book
23:26and both of our authors
23:27will be signing
23:28on the right side
23:30of the stage.
23:31Thank you so much.
23:32Thank you all.
23:33Thank you guys.
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