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Drake Maye seemed rattled. What were your thoughts on the game?
Drake Maye seemed rattled. What were your thoughts on the game?
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00:00Tough, tough Monday for everybody. Not a manic Monday, just a sad, sad, no moral victory Monday.
00:07Welcome to the Greg Hill Show. Courtney in for Greg for, we think, two hours. I think he'll be
00:11joining us from San Francisco in two hours. We've got Curtis. We've got Wiggy back from San Francisco.
00:17Shyam, real life Tom in the booth. But 29-13, the Patriots fall to the Seahawks in the Super Bowl.
00:24And that score, I hate even giving it because it was not that close if you actually watched the game.
00:30No, no, no. You're saying it was closer than what the score is.
00:34No, I think the opposite.
00:36Really?
00:37Oh my God.
00:38It feels like they lost by 50 points.
00:40Yes, yes.
00:41Oh, okay. I felt like that game was like super close in the sense of the score.
00:50Right. I'm saying that score does not reflect what the actual game was.
00:53Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I agree with you.
00:55Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're saying the same thing.
00:57Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you said it wasn't as close as it was.
00:59Yeah, to me, that game was your defense was spectacular.
01:04Yes.
01:04You know, that was a game where, I mean, if you had any offense, you know, maybe it's probably a different outcome.
01:12Your defense did everything that they could possibly do.
01:17Right until the, what was it? It was the fumble.
01:26Right until the fumble where...
01:28The sack fumble.
01:28Yeah, the sack fumble.
01:29But even then, the defense held them to a field goal and made a 22 or to 7 or some point like that.
01:37But I just felt like, man, I was happy with the defense, the offense.
01:42Drake May, Will Campbell, Josh McDaniel.
01:45Will Campbell, guys.
01:47I'm sorry.
01:48I understand he's coming back from an injury.
01:51But when he was out, like, we didn't look that bad.
01:54And it's almost like, could, do you pull him?
01:58Like, that's where I was at at a certain point.
01:59It's not just like, who are you going to put in there?
02:01I'm like, I don't know anybody.
02:02He was getting absolutely worked the entire game.
02:06And I don't want to put it all on him.
02:08I don't want to put it all on Drake.
02:09There's no excuses.
02:10Like, this offense looked atrocious.
02:13They had no answers start to finish.
02:16And I don't know, what frustrated me the most watching that game is all season long,
02:20we were beating the drum of Drake May.
02:22Even if he starts off tough, he does not let it rattle him.
02:25He does not let it spiral him.
02:28He looked rattled yesterday.
02:30He wasn't playing loose at all.
02:32I have to say, like, I am shook by how he looked yesterday.
02:37I don't want to hear about Will.
02:39I mean, we do want to talk about Will Campbell.
02:41It's a huge part of the game.
02:42As it pertains to Drake May, I don't want to hear about it.
02:46There were wide open guys he missed.
02:48The interception he threw.
02:49When you were actually, want to say it was sort of the game?
02:52Yes.
02:52At that point, it was 19-17.
02:54And you're driving, I think you were at least midfield, I don't know, right around there.
02:57Yeah, you were a little, yeah.
02:58You got intercepted midfield.
02:59Yeah, you're probably about your own 35, 40-odd line, somewhere in there.
03:03Yeah, so it's 19-7.
03:04Yep.
03:05You get a touchdown there.
03:06Yeah.
03:06Plenty of time.
03:07Five-point game.
03:08The defense was playing phenomenally.
03:09Yeah.
03:10The interception was bad.
03:11That was Mac Jones's, like, that, you can't tell me Mac Jones doesn't have the same or a
03:16better performance yesterday than Drake May did.
03:18Oh, yeah.
03:18That was awful.
03:20And there's no emotion.
03:21There's no anything.
03:22He looked like he lost a bet.
03:24Like, what are you guys doing?
03:26Well, in the beginning, when they talked to him before the game, I had posted it on my
03:29story being like, yo, he's locked in.
03:31Looking back on it, he was rattled before it even started.
03:35And I don't know.
03:36We're going to talk to Boomer this morning at 7.
03:39And there's talk about, like, he got shot up before the game in the shoulder.
03:42Apparently, he didn't turn that corner as hard as we thought he did.
03:46I don't know.
03:47I'm not buying that one.
03:48I mean, yeah, maybe he might have been dealing with something.
03:50I had said this when we were out there on media row, and we were talking about it before
03:55the game.
03:55What would I have liked to seen?
03:57Because we kind of know what Seattle likes to do.
03:59They like to play zone.
04:00They like to just rush for it.
04:01I said, you know what?
04:02Get an empty.
04:04Get the ball out of his hands quickly.
04:06Empty is a little bit easier for the quarterback to read.
04:09You've got, like, your three-step drop.
04:11Get the ball, whether it's screens, you know, quick passes.
04:15You know, I want to get in the weeds.
04:16Stick routes where the quarterback, where Drake may can just kind of dink and dunk.
04:21Go no huddle.
04:22Not an up-tempo no huddle, but just a no huddle where you're not giving the defense the opportunity
04:28to maybe substitute and maybe get him into some rhythm.
04:31Because you saw when they did that on the Matt Collins touchdown drive, there was a little
04:37bit more of a rhythm, and I wish they would have started the game like that.
04:41Well, and I knew we were going to see this a lot.
04:43It's already coming through on the text line.
04:447-8-1 text.
04:45The game plan was painstakingly conservative.
04:48No fire.
04:49No energy.
04:49And I was interested in Shime's take on that because you've been a game plan guy all season
04:55long when it comes to Drake May and the offense.
04:57What was your takeaway?
04:58Yeah, it wasn't great, but it also wasn't the primary reason you lost the game.
05:03Like, the quarterback and the offensive line were just, you can't win with that.
05:07You can't.
05:07It is what it is.
05:08Like, if you're going to rank them, those two are at the top, and then third would be
05:11the play calling.
05:12Like, that's not the reason you lost.
05:14I didn't like some of it.
05:15I agree.
05:16I thought some of it was conservative.
05:17But at the same time, like, it felt like early they were playing, like they were playing
05:21in the second half of the Denver game.
05:23They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:23Like, that run on third and five early in that game.
05:26It's like, fine.
05:26We'll just punt it away.
05:27The defense will get the ball back or whatever.
05:29And unfortunately, you also just couldn't convert anything on Sam Darnold.
05:33There were some opportunities to sack him.
05:34You couldn't get it.
05:35You couldn't force a turnover early there because clearly they were trying to jumping those
05:39routes.
05:40But it's not on the game plan.
05:42It's just on the offensive line and the quarterback.
05:43That's it.
05:44And the other thing is, Shime, you make great points.
05:46The narrative will be, this is a great defense.
05:50Drake May had no shot.
05:51Like, even if he goes well, the Seahawks were a spectacular defense that's going to be part
05:56of this NFL for years to come.
05:58Then what do you say about the MVP that everybody here said was a fraudulent MVP that Drake May
06:05got screwed?
06:06Matthew Stafford, two weeks ago in the playoffs, against that defense.
06:10Right.
06:1022 of 35, 374 yards, three touchdowns.
06:14Yeah.
06:14So you can't come at me and talk about, you know, that it was just this insurmountable
06:19obstacle of a defense.
06:20That defense against the guy you told me Drake was better than, lost and put up 375 points,
06:27375 yards and three touchdowns.
06:29And you look at this, the person taking the victory lap is probably Cam Newton.
06:33Right.
06:33But when you look at the defenses, both defenses really kind of put those offenses in kind of
06:39like a blender.
06:40When you start to look at it, like Sam Donald wasn't very good at all.
06:45Their running game, I think Kenneth Walker, he made some plays.
06:49He had two runs that really, you know, I think one was for 29, the other one was for 30.
06:54But if you looked at, you know, early in the game, they were kind of bottling him up a little
06:59bit when you start, it was the undisciplined, letting him get outside, which led to that
07:05really long run.
07:08So there were some of these plays where it was just the defense taking poor angles.
07:12But overall, if you look at what the defense was able to do and basically hold them to
07:18field goals, you know, throughout that game, I was watching it and kind of having a conversation
07:23like, all right, we're only down by six points and our offense looks pathetic.
07:29Right.
07:29We're only down by nine points and our offense looks horrible.
07:32We're only down by 12 points and look at how bad our offense is looking.
07:37And a large part of that was because of what the defense was able to do for the most part
07:43for everybody else that wasn't named Kenneth Walker Jr.
07:48Well, in the beginning of the game, I was saying, well, are we going to have another Sam
07:52Darnold seeing ghost situation because the defense was tipping balls left and right.
07:56Like he got away with a few bad passes.
07:58And if the defense was, if Gonzo was able to hold onto that ball, there were a few other
08:03guys who tip balls.
08:04If they were able to intercept those instead of just tip them, like we could be having a
08:08different conversation today.
08:09But again, I don't want to say that because I don't want anyone to think I'm giving excuses.
08:12Friday, I came on this show and I ripped the national media for everybody going with the
08:16Seahawks and said, oh, and the Pats win.
08:18They're going to come in on Monday and have headlines just giving excuses.
08:22Of why the Pats won.
08:23There's no excuse for how we looked yesterday.
08:25We were all wrong.
08:26Cause I was like, okay, I was like, oh, it's going to come down to the play of the quarterbacks
08:30and the quarterbacks are going to have to make these specific throws and make specific
08:34plays.
08:34And when you start to look at it, I mean, the touchdown that Sam Donald threw, it was a
08:39great play design.
08:40The guy's wide open on a play action in the back, back corner of the end zone.
08:43I mean, anybody probably makes that throw.
08:46It came down to the fact that your offense, especially Drake May and this offensive line
08:53could not do anything at all.
08:56And that throw, the interception.
08:58Yeah.
08:58I just saw it again behind you, Courtney.
09:00Like that is Mickey Mouse crap.
09:04You were, I even think it was on first and 10.
09:06I don't know who he was throwing it to.
09:07I put that in my notes.
09:08I'm like, who the hell is he throwing this to?
09:10He threw it like in between because he had the deep crosser that he was, if he was thrown
09:14at that, he was way behind.
09:16Right.
09:16Or he way overthrew Kayshawn Booty, who was the shallow crosser.
09:19Yeah.
09:19I had no clue.
09:20I was like, who the hell is he throwing this to?
09:22It was awful.
09:23It was just, I know Mondays and especially there's no easy way to have your season come
09:29to a thud like that last night.
09:31But the performances of the quarterbacks specifically, first of all, if Jets fans are out there, like
09:39everybody's like, ooh, the Jets screwed up losing Sam Darnold.
09:42Sam Darnold's like, talk about a passenger.
09:44I mean, he did what you need to do.
09:45He didn't make mistakes.
09:46Yeah.
09:46He didn't turn the ball over.
09:47But like, I didn't watch that game and in any way think that Sam Darnold is this like
09:51great quarterback or up and coming guy.
09:54And the other is that I don't understand how you have McDaniels, Mr. Gadget guy, like at
10:02some point, do you have anything?
10:04Yeah.
10:04Brother, he rolled him out of the pocket once.
10:07Yeah.
10:07Yeah.
10:08Your offense couldn't do anything.
10:10Yeah.
10:10Dial up some trick plays, especially when your offense isn't going double passes, reverse
10:14pass, halfback pass, something like some trickery.
10:18And that was something that they didn't do at all.
10:21There was none of that.
10:22It was, it was.
10:23What about the punt?
10:24What do you think about Vrabel?
10:25It was like fourth and one.
10:26What was it?
10:27The third quarter, if I'm not mistaken.
10:29Oh yeah.
10:29Because it was still a two possession game at that point.
10:31Right.
10:3112, nothing.
10:32No, I was fine with that.
10:33Like, I felt like your defense had played so well.
10:35You're kind of out of halftime.
10:37They're not quite as tired as they were at the end of the second quarter.
10:40Punting there, I didn't, I didn't mind.
10:42I thought Vrabel at that point handled it okay.
10:44I thought the, the two point conversion decisions were odd.
10:48I thought, but like that, I wasn't, wasn't crazy about it.
10:51He was trying to flip the field on that.
10:52But he was trying to maybe get them deep in, pin back deep.
10:57And, and he was hoping that because he knew his defense would have, you know, good enough
11:00to stop them.
11:01And then hopefully you get the ball in good field position and things become a little
11:06bit easier for your offense.
11:07And I think that's, that's what he was trying to do.
11:10For that too, Wiggy.
11:12I know nobody cares about this.
11:13The punter mismatch in this game was massive.
11:17The chasm was giant.
11:19That Dixon guy could put the ball wherever he wanted when he punted that football.
11:23Yeah.
11:23That one that I think Marcus Jones, he's got to feel that one.
11:26And I think they had it twice inside the five yard line.
11:30He was able to, uh, punt it down there, but, um, and I thought the broadcast was fine.
11:34I, the best part of the broadcast for me was pregame with Rodney grilling, uh, Tony
11:38Dungy about the, uh, Belichick craft thing.
11:40But I, the, the first drive of the game, I believe where cup catches the ball and it
11:47looked to me like the ball was still moving in his hands.
11:50He did not maintain possession.
11:51Why wouldn't you challenge that?
11:54They, I, that was the first time all year where I feel like Mike Vrabel in that type
11:59kind of a situation, obviously it doesn't matter in the end of the game, they were going to
12:02lose, but I was shocked.
12:03They didn't challenge.
12:03It's also crazy when you consider that the Seahawks offense was without JSN for a little
12:08bit of time because he was in the medical tent that he was put back into the locker room.
12:13He did end up coming out back out, but like there was a period of time where they could
12:16have capitalized greatly on them missing one of their best guys out there on the field.
12:21Yeah.
12:21And, and you're right about that, Courtney.
12:23I mean, defensively, you were doing a good job before he got, I think he hit his head
12:27on the ground before that.
12:28But, you know, there was a point in time where it's like, okay, we could be a little bit
12:32aggressive on, you know, on defense because they don't have JSN and then on offense,
12:37try to take advantage of this, but it came down to, and I would kind of agree with
12:43Shime.
12:44It came down to the player, your quarterback, and it came down to the player, your offensive
12:48line.
12:48And then you throw in the offensive coordinator on, you know, maybe how we could have changed
12:53the game plan up a little bit differently throughout the game and maybe did things
12:57differently.
12:58It's now the biggest question is this, and I know it's only a second year, but this is
13:04going to be the national media.
13:06And this is the drum that they're going to be because we talked to a lot of people down
13:10there on media row.
13:11The national media is going to go, okay, they're instantly going to go to the scheduling,
13:17right, for the regular season and Drake May's performance.
13:20But they're going to say, when Drake May goes against good defenses, what you've seen in
13:27the postseason, is that who he is?
13:30Because you look at his postseason run against four very good defenses.
13:35The offense, I mean, your best player was Ramondre Stevenson.
13:41100%.
13:41You know?
13:42But also, you have to consider Drake was sacked the most in NFL history when it came
13:46to the postseason.
13:47But I put a lot of those on him.
13:48Yeah, part of those.
13:49He was slow in the pocket.
13:50He was unaware.
13:51Something he had developed, I thought, over the season, he improved dramatically with his
13:55presence.
13:56It was non-existent.
13:57And I have, like, I just watch the interception that they keep talking about.
14:03I'm sure the guys didn't think about the camera, but did you see the faces of the defensive
14:07guys?
14:07I was, Curtis, same thing with the fumble.
14:10Yes.
14:10It was when they, good on the camera guy, because he went directly to them.
14:15Their faces, I mean, they're also beat at that point.
14:18And they looked pissed.
14:21I mean, you got to think, think about this.
14:23And I don't know, and they put it up, they put it up last night, it was Joe Burrow and
14:30Drake May as far as, but the offensive line in four games, so I want to say they had six
14:36sacks last night, correct?
14:37They did.
14:38So the offensive line in four games gave up 21 sacks.
14:44Correct.
14:4621 sacks.
14:47Yeah.
14:48Joe Burrow's record was 19.
14:49You're basically averaging five sacks a game.
14:55Yeah.
14:55How do you expect to win?
14:57And part of it, and out of those 21, you'd have to really go back, like, you know, what
15:02was coverage sacks or Drake holding on to the ball or what was O-line?
15:06But, you know, when you start to look at it, I would say that you could split it down the
15:11middle.
15:1250% went to Drake and the other 50% went to, you know, the offensive line.
15:16And bad luck, bad luck on the offensive line, take it with a grain of salt because it's
15:21a tweet from Ben Volan, but I guess Will Campbell was asked multiple times to meet with the
15:26media and he declined and left.
15:28I thought you were going to say Bad Bunny when you started stuttering with Bad Bunny.
15:30No, don't bring up Bad Bunny.
15:32Hey, I didn't know what he was saying.
15:34I was shaking my ass.
15:34I thought I was on the wrong show.
15:35Oh, no.
15:36Yeah, it was horrible.
15:37Yeah, that halftime.
15:38I didn't think it was horrible.
15:39Yeah, I thought it was.
15:40I didn't understand any of it.
15:41No, but the beats, like, were, I don't know, I was moving and grooving.
15:44It was nice to have on in the background, I guess.
15:46I mean, if you're going to go with the beats, then just throw a DJ up there.
15:49Yeah.
15:50I mean, the biggest miss was Cardi B was right there.
15:52No mic in hand.
15:53Yeah, like, he has a...
15:54You didn't get Lady Gaga, though.
15:55Right.
15:55You didn't get Lady Gaga and Ricky Martin.
15:57Yeah.
15:58Which I was, like, shocked.
15:59I was like, wait a second, who's that?
16:00I was like, oh, damn, that's Ricky Martin.
16:02I was like, I didn't know they had a song.
16:04Next year, they need to do William Hung.
16:06Make them go full circle.
16:07But, um, so, so when you start to, and maybe I would switch that up because I think the
16:13biggest question, you know, you know, becomes, they're going to need a little bit, they're
16:18going to definitely need a playmaker on offense.
16:20Yeah.
16:20Right?
16:21And I think the wide receiver group did an amazing job all year long, and I take nothing
16:26away from them.
16:27But I think you're going to need a legit playmaker that maybe defenses are going to have to game
16:31plan for, which maybe will help out your offense to do some, some different things.
16:37But the question, I think, nationally is going to be, who's the real Drake May?
16:43It's not a question nationally.
16:44It's that he was exposed.
16:46The headline of the New York Post, imposter syndrome, front page of the New York Post with
16:50Drake getting a sack.
16:52They're going to love it.
16:53And the thing that sucks for Drake, and it's something we talked about now, because they
16:57went 14 and three, they had a stellar regular season.
16:59He was number two in MVP voting.
17:00Right.
17:01Now, December 6th next year, he's going to, the Patriots are 12 and two.
17:07Everybody's going to say, okay, whatever, just call me in the playoffs.
17:09So like the pressure, it's going to be another long regular season.
17:13Well, the good thing about this Curtis though, is next year, their schedule, very difficult.
17:18So if he performs well during the regular season, he might be able to, you know, not completely
17:26kind of take that narrative away, but they will say, cause you know, you play Seattle during
17:33the regular season.
17:34Obviously you're going to play Buffalo.
17:35You play Kansas city.
17:36I think you play the Vikings there, Denver.
17:41So he might not, he's not going to completely be able to kind of erase that.
17:46But if he does well during the regular season, people will have a little bit more confidence
17:51in him going into the post season.
17:53But you're 100% right, Curtis.
17:55Now it's going to be like, is he just going to be a, the A-Rod of baseball?
17:59Great regular season.
18:00All we do with Lamar Jackson, great regular season, but come the post season, where are
18:06you?
18:07Yeah.
18:07Well, we'll be talking about Patriots all, all morning long.
18:10Uh, that was a tough loss.
18:1129, 13 was your final in the super bowl.
18:14We're going to talk to Boomer Esiason this morning at 7am.
18:17They said it, we'll do it at 7 20.
18:19I believe Greg will be joining us at seven 30 and then he gets to choose whatever we do
18:23moving forward from there.
18:24I have news ready.
18:26I don't know if we're going to get to it because there's a lot to talk about when it comes
18:29to what happened in Santa Clara last night.
18:30It was a bloody, bloody day.
18:33That's the best way to say it.
18:35I also curious, Courtney, like let's say you're Greg, but you actually paid for the tickets.
18:39So you buy two tickets, let's call it six grand a piece.
18:43Yeah.
18:43You're sitting there in the third quarter.
18:45You're like, I spent 12 grand on this.
18:47Oh my God.
18:47That's gotta be miserable.
18:49I think he lucked out.
18:50I don't think he had a, no, he did not pay.
18:51Yeah.
18:52That's what I said.
18:53But if you did buy it.
18:54Oh yeah.
18:54Yeah.
18:54Yeah.
18:55And I think they were probably a little bit more than that when you, if you were trying
18:59to get them down there.
19:00Yes.
19:01Oh yeah.
19:01Yeah.
19:01I, I, there was some people that, that I know, um, that were looking to get tickets and it was
19:07like nine, 10,000.
19:09Wow.
19:09Well, and I want to hear about your week because you did a wonderful job on media row.
19:13You were getting all of the stars and we were talking about it every single day because
19:16watching the Twitch stream of you guys out there, you were out of your seat.
19:20You were calling people, you were getting them over.
19:22So I.
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