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00:00Yes, it is! Hello!
00:02Good evening, everybody!
00:04Welcome to the show. Lovely to see you all.
00:06Oh, that's too kind.
00:08Too kind, thank you very much.
00:10We have got a packed show tonight.
00:12I tell you, there'll be more people on my sofa
00:14than have watched the Melania documentary.
00:16You know, more than one.
00:18It's another great lineup for you tonight.
00:20Look over there, singing for us later,
00:22it's Brits Critics' Choice Award winner,
00:24Jacob Allon!
00:26Yeah!
00:28They'll be singing a haunting single,
00:30Don't Fall Asleep.
00:32But first, on my sofa tonight,
00:34this champion ballroom and Latin dancer
00:36is one of the nation's favourite
00:38sitcom dancing pros.
00:40Now, swapping his dance shoes for a pair of thigh-highs
00:42in the hit musical Kinky Boots,
00:44it's our good friend, Johanna Serranovae!
00:50Thank you for it.
00:52Look at you!
00:54Thank you!
00:56Thank you!
00:58There you go!
01:00This Oscar-nominated star first caught her attention
01:02as Karen in Mean Girls,
01:04then had a singing along to ABBA in Mamma Mia.
01:06She's following up her recent box office hit The Housemaid
01:10with a powerful new musical drama,
01:12The Testament of Anne Lee.
01:14It's a first-time sofa welcome to Amanda Seyfried!
01:16Hello!
01:18Oh, she's out!
01:20Oh, she's out!
01:22She's ready! Hello!
01:24Good to see you!
01:26There you go, Amanda.
01:28And we've the two singing-off stars of Emerald Pennell's
01:32new adaptation of Wuthering Heights.
01:34He is the star of the hit series Euphoria,
01:36the brilliant black comedy Salt Fern,
01:38and has just received his first Oscar nod for Frankenstein,
01:42while she is the three-time Oscar-nominated star of I, Tonya,
01:46The Wolf of Wall Street,
01:47and the star and producer of the blockbuster hit Barbie.
01:51Please welcome Jacob Elordi and Margot Robbie!
01:55Yay!
01:56Yay!
02:03Oh, hello, hello!
02:04There you go!
02:05She comes down!
02:06Oh!
02:10Yeah, I thought it was much wider.
02:14The glamour, the excitement.
02:16Hello, everybody.
02:17Hello.
02:18So nice to see you all,
02:19and a special thank you to Markham and Jacob,
02:21because you've just come hot-foot from your premiere.
02:24We just got literally right here.
02:27Yeah.
02:28Now, it was...
02:29There you are.
02:30That was you, minutes ago.
02:31That was us about 20 minutes ago.
02:32Yeah.
02:34And, now, it was a bit of a damp one,
02:36but I feel that was on brand for Wuthering Heights.
02:38I put in a word with the big guy and I said,
02:39listen, it's always raining in our movies,
02:41so that would be appropriate for tonight.
02:43And, Jacob Elordi, your first time on the show.
02:45Welcome, welcome, welcome.
02:46Yes, thank you.
02:48And, what a time...
02:51What a time to be Jacob Elordi.
02:54First Oscar nomination for Frankenstein.
02:56Congratulations.
02:57Thank you very much.
03:00And, I heard you talking about this,
03:03that you believe you playing this role
03:05was sort of written in the stars.
03:08I don't know.
03:09I kind of regret saying that now.
03:11LAUGHTER
03:12It's a obnoxious story.
03:13No, it had to do with...
03:15Someone, when I made my first film,
03:17The Kissing Booth, said that...
03:19It was a tweet and someone said,
03:21this plank of wood is so boring,
03:24he could only play Frankenstein's monster.
03:27LAUGHTER
03:28And that was the start of my career.
03:30And then, you know, six or seven years passed
03:34and, lo and behold, Guillermo del Toro sent for me to play it.
03:38Yeah.
03:39And now, you're Oscar nominated.
03:40Fuck you, Twitter.
03:41LAUGHTER
03:42So...
03:43Welcome.
03:44Thank you very much.
03:45Very good.
03:46Congratulations.
03:48You've been around for that.
03:49You've been around for that.
03:51Amanda Seyberg, you've been on the terrible Zoom thing,
03:53but this is your first sofa.
03:54Yes, true, yes.
03:55Never sat here.
03:56Welcome, welcome, welcome.
03:58But, weirdly, we were looking at pictures of you last week
04:01because Rachel McAdams was here
04:03and we were looking at Mean Girls pictures
04:05because there's so much love for Mean Girls.
04:07APPLAUSE
04:08Yeah.
04:09She was so happy.
04:10Phil was so happy.
04:11But you...
04:12Like, people still come up to you.
04:14Like, do people have...
04:15Oh, yeah.
04:16Do they have Karen lines that they always want to say to you?
04:17Of course.
04:18I love being recognised for it
04:20because it was, like, the first film I ever did
04:22and I had the best time, so...
04:24What line do people come up and quote the most?
04:26Well, they ask me if it's raining.
04:28LAUGHTER
04:29I was about to say.
04:31And, like, on Wednesdays we wear pink.
04:33I got the best line.
04:34LAUGHTER
04:35You know, on Barbie...
04:37It's Thursday.
04:38We did that.
04:39Every Wednesday the whole crew wore pink on Wednesdays.
04:42What?
04:43We made shirts that said it.
04:44What?
04:45Yeah.
04:46I should have reached out and let you know.
04:47Yeah.
04:48That's really...
04:49That's iconic.
04:50That's so...
04:51I'm so...
04:52That's so nice.
04:53That's amazing.
04:54That's exciting.
04:55It really is.
04:56It's pretty cool.
04:57And this weather must be great for you because...
04:58Because there's a 30% chance that it's already raining.
05:00I mean, it's super right.
05:02My boobs are correct.
05:04They're twitching right now.
05:06They're hanging much longer than they used to.
05:09LAUGHTER
05:10But they're still correct.
05:11And...
05:12Now, Johannes, you've never done the Mean Girls Stats.
05:16You have done the Mean Girls Stats.
05:17I have indeed.
05:18Yeah.
05:19What?
05:20Oh, yes.
05:21My friends and I, at Christmas time, maybe two Christmases ago,
05:24we dressed up exactly like you guys and we learnt the dance.
05:28And...
05:29Amazing.
05:30The song, the dance, everything.
05:32Yeah.
05:33I mean, it's an iconic film.
05:34I love how it has travelled.
05:36Like, if this is...
05:37Good for you.
05:38Yeah.
05:39Do you still remember it?
05:40I mean...
05:41Because I do.
05:42Stop it.
05:43No, I mean, it's in my body.
05:44I mean, it must be somewhere in my body too.
05:45Yeah.
05:46I don't remember it right now, but I'm pretty sure...
05:48Yeah, the...
05:49The slap...
05:50Yeah.
05:51Oh, that's wrong.
05:52Yeah, yeah, yeah, that does.
05:53Oh, my...
05:54Oh, my God, he does know it.
05:55He does know it.
05:56All right.
05:59Doesn't know it.
06:01You feel left out, Jacob.
06:03He's like, he knows this.
06:05He knows this.
06:06I also know this.
06:08But no, the thing is, you haven't done the Mean Girls' House, but on Strictly, you did get to do a Barbie routine.
06:14We did.
06:15Yeah.
06:16From the movie?
06:17From the movie.
06:18And it was lovely because the choreographer said all the girls are going to be Barbies and I was thinking to myself, okay, who am I?
06:24And they said...
06:25Barbie says that in the movie too.
06:27They were like, you're going to be Safari Kane.
06:31And there is it.
06:32And they said there's going to be a dressage, there's going to be trees.
06:35And all I can give to myself is, fuck the tree.
06:39I want to be Margot.
06:42Oh, my God.
06:43But then when you did your own tour, you did get to be Barbie.
06:47Oh, yeah.
06:48You know, this is the thing about...
06:49Oh, my God.
06:50Yeah, this is the thing about doing...
06:51Oh, my God.
06:53Yeah, listen, it's important.
06:58I had to do my show and create it for myself, so...
07:01Listen, let's get started.
07:04The wait is over.
07:05Wuthering Heights has arrived.
07:07This is the hotly anticipated new adaptation from Emerald Fennell,
07:10with Margot Robbie as Cathy and Jacob Elordi as Heathcliff.
07:13It opens on February the 13th.
07:16So, Margot, you've had a relationship with Emerald for a while.
07:18You've produced her other movies, but you weren't in them.
07:22No.
07:23So, were you always going to be in this one?
07:25No, and I've always wanted to be one of her actors
07:29and we produced Promising Young Woman with her
07:31and we produced Saltburn with her.
07:32And then when she said she was going to do Wuthering Heights
07:35and we were talking about Cathy and I was like,
07:38I'm just going to throw my hat in the ring
07:41and I hope I don't make it weird.
07:43And it's kind of like...
07:45She explained it really well.
07:46She was like, it's kind of like doing the yawn
07:48and the arm over, like, your friend at the movie.
07:51It's like, are we more than friends?
07:53I don't want to make it weird and if we're not, that's OK.
07:56And fortunately, she felt the same way and so she was excited.
07:59So, I didn't make it weird by offering up my acting services
08:03and taking our relationship to that level
08:05and it worked out really wonderfully.
08:07Jacob, is it true that Emerald seeing you on the set of Saltbird
08:10was kind of what prompted this whole thing?
08:13Yeah, can I...
08:14I'm sure it sucks to have Margot Robbie put herself
08:17in your movie as well.
08:19That's right.
08:20You're doing that with a lot of confidence.
08:22Yeah, that's fine, that's fine.
08:24Yeah, she did say that, but I didn't know that at the time.
08:29I was in Indonesia and I got a text message that said,
08:32you want to be Heathcliff?
08:34And I wrote, yeah.
08:36And then, like, two weeks later, there was a screenplay
08:40and then that was it.
08:41What?
08:42And then she said in the press, yeah, I suppose I had sideburns.
08:45Well, she said it's because the book that she had
08:48when she was 14, the Heathcliff on the cover,
08:51looked like Jacob looked in saltburn with his sideburns.
08:54Yeah.
08:55And so she was like, oh, my gosh.
08:57And she'd already...
08:58She'd been wanting to make a wuthering height for a long time.
09:01You're quite taken with this photo.
09:03We agree.
09:04OK, sorry.
09:05She goes, you look so young now.
09:06I was like, it's like two years ago.
09:08LAUGHTER
09:10Ah, success. Hollywood.
09:12LAUGHTER
09:13Well, listen, before we talk about it some more,
09:15here is a taste of Margot and Jacob in Wuthering Heights.
09:20Oh.
09:21APPLAUSE
09:23LAUGHTER
09:25I mean, we got a customer.
09:27Woo!
09:28The man is invested.
09:30Aw.
09:31I mean, just add rain, honestly.
09:33It's so beautiful.
09:35And you were saying the sets...
09:37Because visually, this film is so stunning.
09:39You were saying these sets kind of took on a life of their own.
09:41They did.
09:42So the...
09:43I mean, shout out to our production designer, Susie Davies,
09:46who built the most incredible sets you've ever seen.
09:49Like, ever.
09:50And we started the shoot on Wuthering Heights
09:52and that's where Kathy and Heathcliff grow up
09:55and the set is kind of like dark and more brutalist
09:59with the nature kind of encroaching in on it
10:01and it's incredible.
10:03And we had real livestock, like horses and pigs
10:06and a pig pen and all this kind of stuff.
10:07Snails.
10:08And snails and all sorts.
10:10But...
10:11And rain machines.
10:12But, you know, the animals would actually, you know,
10:15piss on the set because, you know, they...
10:18They don't know.
10:19They don't ask for a bathroom break.
10:21They're in it.
10:22They go when they want to go.
10:23It's so messy.
10:24It's so messy.
10:25A pig would probably piss here.
10:26Yeah.
10:27They're taking their craft very seriously.
10:30And then the Thrush Cross Grange set
10:32is meant to be this kind of, like,
10:34Oz in, you know, in Technicolor.
10:36You step into it in these beautiful pastel colours
10:38and we had this real garden with thousands of real roses
10:41and the smell of that when you walked on the set,
10:43like, it was amazing.
10:45And I remember we'd been shooting over at Wuthering Heights
10:47for a couple of weeks and then it was, you know,
10:50the scene where I go to Thrush Cross,
10:51which Heathcliff in the story is not happy about.
10:54And I...
10:55By that point I was like,
10:57my costumes, like, stink like horse piss
10:59and I'm dirty all the time
11:01and, like, it just stinks all the time
11:03over here at Wuthering Heights
11:04and then I got to Thrush Cross
11:05and I was like,
11:06oh, my God, I totally understand
11:08why Cathy goes and marries Edgar.
11:10It's so clean here.
11:13It smells so nice.
11:15And I came back and Jacob's like,
11:17well, how is it over there?
11:18And I was like, it's honestly amazing.
11:20The story makes so much more sense to me now.
11:24And you both do the accents, but Jacob,
11:27you're kind of from the same part of Australia as Margot, right?
11:30Yeah, we're from Queensland.
11:31We're about...
11:32So, presumably, you spend a lot of time,
11:34kind of, before you go to America, kind of thing,
11:36trying to crack your American accent.
11:38Have you even done an Australian accent
11:39since leaving Australia?
11:41I did one.
11:42I did a show called The Narrow Road to the Deep North.
11:44Oh, of course.
11:45But it was...
11:46Was it weird to act in Australian accent?
11:47It was period, so I was sort of speaking differently.
11:49Right.
11:50It felt like not your voice.
11:51It wasn't like Queensland, no.
11:52It wasn't like...
11:53You guys have, like, an extra level, like, of challenge.
11:56Yeah.
11:57Because it's either English or American for the most part, right?
12:00That's crazy.
12:01I haven't done, really, an Aussie accent...
12:03That's crazy.
12:04...since I was on Neighbours.
12:05And I don't know if I could now, because I'd feel so, like...
12:07Yeah.
12:08But this is...
12:09This isn't as Queensland as...
12:11Queensland as, like, my accent used to be so strong.
12:14Yeah, you have to...
12:15Wait a minute, is this thing true?
12:16That when you're on Neighbours, they get...
12:18Yes, they get...
12:19They got a dialect coach for me.
12:20Oh, I love you.
12:21They got a dialect coach for me
12:23because I was too Australian for Neighbours.
12:26Yeah.
12:27Because you have to have a drama school accent.
12:30Like, they...
12:31You have to finish your words.
12:32And I couldn't...
12:33I couldn't hear that I had a bad accent.
12:34I was like, what do you mean?
12:35What do you mean?
12:36And they were like, you're just awful to listen to.
12:41I'm going to send you off to work with this woman
12:43and it will round out your accent.
12:45Jacob, did you do the Australian soaps?
12:47I tried so hard.
12:50Yeah, I auditioned for Neighbours twice
12:53in Home and Away maybe three times.
12:57Three times?
12:58Yes.
12:59I lost it to someone that was on, like, Australian Idol.
13:02Oh.
13:03And it came down to...
13:04I had to fudge Instagram followers
13:07because they had a limit on Neighbours
13:11that you had to have 20,000 followers on social media
13:15or something like that.
13:16Oh, wow.
13:17They're probably going to come out and say that's not true.
13:18Yeah.
13:19But I remember a piece of paper with that on it.
13:23And it was something to do with that.
13:24Anyway, they didn't cast me and I didn't get it.
13:25So, fuck on.
13:26Wow.
13:27Well, OK.
13:28We're laughing now.
13:29So, Johannes, how old were you when you did the big
13:33leaving inside that way?
13:34Now, as I say this, I'm immediately thinking,
13:37this must be quite difficult.
13:38You were dancing on a cruise ship.
13:40Because they move.
13:41They do.
13:42Yeah.
13:43Yeah.
13:44So that's hard.
13:45Listen.
13:46But you did it for a long time.
13:48Seven years.
13:49Wow.
13:50Seven years I was dancing to ABBA.
13:52Darling.
13:53Like, freestyle?
13:54Like, every single day, vacation day, show day,
13:59I think ABBA made everybody happy on board.
14:04I've always wanted to go on a cruise.
14:06You've never been?
14:07No.
14:08Is it fun?
14:09You do?
14:10Yeah, I mean, I don't think I could now,
14:11but I wish I had.
14:12I guess, like, maybe I wish I had too.
14:14It'd be fun.
14:15You were working?
14:17I was working.
14:18And were you freestyling or were you, like, dancing?
14:20No, dancing, dancing professionally.
14:22Like, no.
14:23But when they were, like, put on ABBA, you had a routine.
14:25He was on it for seven years, Amanda.
14:30I have a question about cruise ships.
14:31Oh, yes.
14:32Hit me.
14:33Did it get pretty dirty?
14:35All below deck.
14:37Because you're stuck on a phone.
14:40You had to disappear after you performed,
14:42run back down below and lock yourself up.
14:45That's how I survived.
14:46Wow.
14:47This is what I mean.
14:48I was curious about that.
14:49I, yeah.
14:50It sounds dark.
14:51There are morgues on cruise ships.
14:52They have jails.
14:53Oh, yeah, you have to.
14:54As you can imagine.
14:55They have little jails.
14:56Jails and refrigerator, uh, freezers.
14:57Freezers for the dead bodies.
14:58No jails.
14:59I don't know about jails.
15:00But I know about morgues.
15:01We're really selling cruise ships right now.
15:04Apparently the food is great.
15:06So here's the thing.
15:07Margot, we have not had you on the show
15:10since the huge global success of Barbie.
15:13Congratulations to you.
15:14Yes.
15:15Highest grossing film of 2023.
15:19Oscar nom for best picture.
15:21And it's one of those things,
15:23hindsight is a wonderful thing.
15:25Once it's a big hit, everyone goes,
15:26of course that was going to be a big hit.
15:28But what were people saying in the lead up?
15:30They were like, a Barbie movie.
15:34What?
15:35How?
15:36And don't...
15:37Mmm, mmm, that sounds...
15:38No, I know.
15:39And afterwards everyone's like,
15:40well, of course it made over a billion dollars.
15:42And I was like, we sounded insane
15:44when Greta and I sat in our green light pitch meeting
15:46and we're like, this is going to make a billion dollars.
15:49And everyone was like, that's cute.
15:51They said that.
15:52And we're like, no, it will.
15:53Like, we are going to make this a four-quadrant
15:55globally, you know, a moment.
15:57And, uh, thank God we did,
15:59because I did pitch...
16:00Yeah.
16:01I pitched the hell out of it,
16:02so at least I wasn't lying.
16:03Well, because even Ryan Gosling took convincing.
16:05He did.
16:06Yeah.
16:07He took convincing and I ended up emailing him
16:09in one of my attempts to convince him.
16:11He was like, no, thank you.
16:12And I was like, no, please.
16:13And this went on for a little while
16:14and then I ended up saying in an email,
16:16I will buy you a present every single day.
16:18Every day if you come and do this movie.
16:21And I don't know why I said that.
16:23And, um, and then he came and did the movie
16:25and I was like, well, don't make a liar out of me, Ryan.
16:28I will buy you a present every day.
16:30What did you get him?
16:31It ended up becoming really fun.
16:33I just leave him a present in his trailer every day,
16:35like, to Ken from Barbie, and it would be something silly
16:38that, you know, if we were shooting a beach scene,
16:40it would be like a Hawaiian shirt or, like, floaties
16:42or something like that.
16:43It's now occurring to me that another co-star is right next
16:47to me who didn't get a present every day.
16:50He signed up immediately.
16:52That was you, that's on you.
16:55It is on me.
16:57Part of the success of Barbie was that the,
16:59the Barbenheimer thing where Oppenheimer was opening
17:01at the same time.
17:02Yeah.
17:03Was, and that became a thing.
17:05We didn't plan that.
17:07That's what I'm going to say.
17:08No, people often ask, they're like,
17:09how did you plan the Barbenheimer of it all?
17:11And I was like, we didn't, you can't plan for something
17:13like that.
17:14And it worked, you know, beautifully for both movies
17:16and, and it was really wonderful.
17:18I actually know the producer Chuck Roven,
17:20who was a producer on Oppenheimer,
17:22and he called us and, you know, he was like,
17:24I hear you've got that date.
17:26Yeah.
17:27He's like, that's when we are.
17:28And I was like, oh, wow, cool.
17:29He's like, so you should move.
17:31Oh.
17:32And I was like.
17:34Absolutely not.
17:35I was so thrilled because I was like,
17:37he's asking me to move dates.
17:39He's scared.
17:40Yeah.
17:41That's right.
17:42And I was like,
17:43we're not moving dates.
17:44If you're so worried, you should move dates.
17:46In fact, I think it's going to be a great thing
17:48if we're on the same date,
17:50it'll be a wonderful double billing.
17:51And he was like, I don't know.
17:53And I was like, well, we're sticking
17:54and I hope you do too.
17:55And then we, and by the way,
17:56this is all friendly because we work together
17:57on other things.
17:58So he was joking.
17:59No, he wasn't.
18:00He wasn't joking.
18:01Oh, he wasn't?
18:02No, we can chat like that though.
18:05Don't dare a man call a woman and say,
18:07I'm scared.
18:08You need to move.
18:09No.
18:10Honestly, I was like,
18:11I feel like he would have done that to the dude.
18:12So I actually felt like,
18:13yeah, okay, cool.
18:14And then it ended up being...
18:15And you're like, no, bitch.
18:17Yeah, not bad.
18:18And guess what?
18:19We were posturing.
18:20It was really fun.
18:21It worked for their movie too.
18:22They couldn't be more different.
18:23Yeah.
18:24It was great.
18:25And they're both important and it's like,
18:26yeah.
18:27That was so cool.
18:28We've got another monster hit on your hands.
18:30Wuthering Heights starring Margot and Jacob will be starting from next Friday.
18:35Very good.
18:36Yeah.
18:38Yeah.
18:39Now, Amanda Seyfried, she brings us The Testament of Anne Lee.
18:45It will open in cinemas on the 27th of February.
18:49So this is an extraordinary film.
18:50It's a musical and it's a true story but because it's the 18th century...
18:55We don't know.
18:56We don't know.
18:57We're not sure how much.
18:58A lot of liberties.
18:59A lot of liberties.
19:00Okay, so Anne Lee.
19:01Yeah.
19:02You play Anne Lee.
19:03Tell us about Anne Lee and her story.
19:04It's like Wuthering Heights.
19:05It's an interpretation, right?
19:07Mona Fastfold's interpretation of drawings and paintings from, you know, the late 18th century
19:13of the Shakers when they...
19:15The Shaker movement, you know, the chairs and brooms and they invented a lot of stuff.
19:20And it was actually led by a woman and most people do not know the founder.
19:25Her name was Anne Lee.
19:26She didn't really care for a legacy.
19:28She just wanted to create something, a space for...
19:30Where all people were created equal between gender and race in the late 18th century.
19:35A woman took eight followers from Manchester to...
19:38That's why I have to do the accent.
19:40Boy, that was tough.
19:41From Manchester to England.
19:43I mean, to Manchester, England to America.
19:45Actually, we're kind of where I live now.
19:47And there were like 6,000 at one point.
19:50And there are still three left but the only caveat is that they couldn't fuck.
19:54So...
19:55And that actually...
19:56That was the only rule?
19:58The only rule, really.
19:59And their worship was song and dance.
20:01Yeah.
20:02Yeah, the Shakers are like...
20:03I mean, it's like pretty popular around the area I live in right now in upstate New York.
20:07But nobody understood that this was founded by a woman.
20:10Yeah.
20:11Yeah.
20:12And that's Ann Lee.
20:13And she, from a young age, was just very, very devoted to God.
20:17And it's just incredible what she was able to do and what she felt like she...
20:21She just was very brave.
20:22Yeah.
20:23So it's empowering to play an empowered woman.
20:25You know, she was a bit nuts.
20:26Yeah.
20:27Obviously.
20:28It's extraordinary that that many people followed this one.
20:30Because that journey...
20:31Yeah.
20:32In fact, I'll tell you.
20:33Let's show the clip.
20:34Oh, it should look like...
20:35The clip is the journey.
20:36Yeah, listen.
20:37It's strange.
20:38Yeah.
20:39But that's what I love about cinema.
20:40Yeah.
20:41Absolutely.
20:42It's an extraordinary story.
20:43It's a journey.
20:44It's a journey.
20:45It's a journey.
20:46Absolutely.
20:47But as you said, there are not many shakers left.
20:48Well, maybe there will be now.
20:49Yeah.
20:50But as you were saying, the crafts go on.
20:51The shaker furniture and shaker style.
20:52Yeah.
20:53And it's beautiful.
20:54It's so simple.
20:55It's innovative but simple.
20:56And I heard you got into some of the crafts.
20:57I did.
20:58I had to, a little bit.
20:59Yeah.
21:00I'm a crafty person though.
21:01I have to...
21:02No, I have to say.
21:03And what was lovely was...
21:04I had to go into some of the crafts.
21:05Yeah.
21:06I had to go into some of the crafts.
21:07I did.
21:08I had to, a little bit.
21:09Yeah.
21:10I'm a crafty person though.
21:11Like, I have to...
21:12No, I have to say.
21:13And what was lovely was, Amanda was on the phone to the researcher,
21:15talking about coming on the show.
21:16Yeah.
21:17And Amanda said, I'm actually weaving a basket now,
21:20and I think I'll give it to Graham.
21:21Oh.
21:22And I was thinking, that is so lovely,
21:23because you can never have too many baskets.
21:25Right.
21:26And, er...
21:27And then, before the show, someone came up to me
21:29with the, er, basket that Amanda made for me.
21:32And I've got it here.
21:33Oh, no.
21:34That's it.
21:35LAUGHTER
21:40Yeah.
21:41Thank you, Jacob.
21:42These aren't real.
21:43Yeah.
21:44They're not?
21:45They're real.
21:46Thank you very much.
21:47They're totally real.
21:48I'll save that till later.
21:49I hope you are.
21:50LAUGHTER
21:51Here's the thing, though.
21:52So it is incredibly beautiful.
21:53I mean, it's not that practical, but it's...
21:55How the hell did you make that?
21:57I've...
21:58I just saw this YouTube video from Instagram.
22:00I just watched the video, and then I looked at it.
22:02And I looked at it.
22:03And I looked at it.
22:04And I looked at it.
22:05And I looked at it.
22:06I looked at it.
22:07And I looked at it.
22:08And then I...
22:10started making them myself.
22:11They take like 45 minutes.
22:12It's incredible.
22:13And that's also not, that's not an actual shaker basket.
22:17That's just a normal, antique-looking basket.
22:19It's beautiful.
22:20But it's yours.
22:21Don't you dis that basket.
22:22And look at underneath it.
22:23What have I got underneath it?
22:24You'll never forget who it's from.
22:26Oh!
22:27From minge to you.
22:29Because of course...
22:30People call you minge.
22:32Yeah, can I ask?
22:33It's a...
22:34Jacob asks.
22:35Ask, ask.
22:36Oh, they're good.
22:37Because in Australia, it's Minj.
22:38Still, yeah.
22:39In the UK, it's also Minj.
22:40Yeah.
22:41I saw that on your foot and I thought it might be like a child's name.
22:46Could you imagine if my name is my child Minj?
22:49I wasn't sure whether to ask.
22:51I literally saw that at the start and I was like, Minj.
22:53In America, she wouldn't be made fun of it.
22:55No, it's a nickname.
22:56OK.
22:57You went to the Manchester accent and, you know, is tough, but is it your son was good
23:02at it?
23:03Yeah, well, because I was speaking in the accent a lot at home because it's so hard.
23:07And I thought it would, I mean, my son will say anything I want.
23:10Well, at one point, he would say anything I wanted him to say when he was three or four.
23:14Now he's five.
23:15And it's very difficult.
23:16But he, he's like really good at profanities.
23:20But he would just go around being, I'd be like, I'd be like, say that, say, say what
23:25mom taught you.
23:26This accent is very fucking odd.
23:29That's what gets me into the accent.
23:30So, yeah.
23:31Cute.
23:32Talking of having fun on set, I've got to congratulate you on the huge success of The Housemaid.
23:45I mean, that movie, like you kind of, well, like you and Sidney Drini, obviously you want
23:52your movie to be a hit, but even you must be a bit like, wow, that's a hit.
23:57I've never been a part of a movie that cost that little, that had that much of a, you
24:05know, a box office.
24:06Yeah.
24:07It's pretty great.
24:08But we did know, like, we did know it's, it's an incredible IP.
24:11It's been like the top of the books.
24:12Yeah.
24:13The bestseller lists.
24:14But, you know, I do think we made a really good version of it.
24:18It's better than the book for sure.
24:19The author even agrees.
24:20But, um, I think it's just funny, like, I wanted that movie because I wanted Paul Feig
24:26and I wanted to, like, go nuts.
24:28And it just has been surprising and wonderful and, you know, they better put me in the second
24:33one.
24:34Well, no, this is, I love this statistic.
24:35As a producer, Marco, you'll be impressed by this.
24:38The Housemaid has taken ten times its budget.
24:43Wow.
24:44That's awesome.
24:45Yeah.
24:46I feel like that's good.
24:47That is very good.
24:48And can I tell you something?
24:49Yeah.
24:50I'm a producer on it.
24:51Woo!
24:52Yes!
24:53But I didn't know until three weeks in and I saw the call sheet and I was like,
24:55executive producer?
24:56I didn't sign up for that.
24:57And I called my agent, or no, actually I called one of the producers, Todd, and I was
25:00like, you guys had me on as executive producer and I was like, you're an agent.
25:04That's what your agent negotiated.
25:06And I was like, I was like, this really better be a hit.
25:09And it was one of those vanity credits, because I didn't do shit to make that movie.
25:14That's the thing about vanity credits, it's like, I don't want people to get it
25:19twisted.
25:20What Margot does, is really intensely developing movies from jump.
25:26I just jumped in, had a bunch of fun and left.
25:29And now I'm like, they're sending me on a vacation.
25:32Yeah.
25:33Now drinks are on Amanda.
25:34Take it, babe.
25:35Yeah.
25:36Yeah.
25:37Did you guys pay for these already?
25:39It was, it's cool.
25:41It was very nice.
25:42I don't know who was going to be in the second one.
25:43I can't wait to see it.
25:44You!
25:45No, I, no.
25:46Just a reminder, you can see more of Amanda Seyfried in The Testament of Anne Lee from
25:50the 27th of February.
25:51Very good.
25:52Now.
25:53Good news, everybody.
25:54Johannes Arelibe is making his West End debut as Lola in Kinky Boots, the musical.
26:03It runs, it runs from the 17th of March to the 11th of July at the Coliseum Theatre,
26:11big house.
26:12And here's a little taste of what to expect.
26:15Check this out.
26:20So, Johannes, Kinky Boots, it's been in the West End before, but not for a long time.
26:25So, remind everybody who you play and what the story is.
26:29Well, it is based on Charlie, who's played by Matt Cardell, very, very soon.
26:37It's a story about a failing shoe factory based in Northampton.
26:43And the guy for saving the factory, he comes to London and he meets this larger than life
26:49drag queen, which is Lola, and together they come up with a plan to save the factory by
26:53making these unconventional boots.
26:55And to cut the long story short, they succeed, but the story is based on inclusion, overcoming
27:02hardship, teamwork.
27:05It's just an upbeat, uplifting.
27:07And also the father and son thing is just amazing in this film.
27:10It is.
27:11It is.
27:12Because it explores those relationships that we have with our fathers.
27:14And I think that's Charlie's father and my father, obviously, because I'm a drag queen.
27:18So, you know, I could relate to Lola's story in terms of the person that she had to grow
27:24up and be comfortable being.
27:26And I had that struggle.
27:29So, really sinking my teeth into the character did not take a lot.
27:33I just needed to look at my life and go, oh, okay.
27:36And that's where I drew strength from.
27:37And you've been on tour with it before.
27:39Yes.
27:40And then you got to perform at the Royal Variety Performance.
27:43Absolutely.
27:44Here you are with Prince William.
27:46Wow.
27:47He looks thrilled.
27:48Because I think he asked me, he said to me, those looks fine looking at my boots.
27:54He said, those looks fine.
27:55And I said to him, well, I could teach you if you want.
27:59That's the best story ever.
28:02All right, all right, Sir Johannes.
28:07Prince William, I didn't know what to say to him.
28:11I was just so nervous.
28:12And I'm like, why are you standing here in drag?
28:14But, you know, I had no time to change.
28:18So there, but it was beautiful.
28:20Yeah.
28:21I peed myself a little.
28:22And Cyndi Lauper, who wrote the music and lyrics for this.
28:26So you got to meet Cyndi.
28:27Absolutely.
28:28There she is.
28:29She's done the music for it.
28:33Yeah.
28:34That's iconic.
28:35And she's been on the show a bunch of times.
28:37I love Cyndi Lauper.
28:39She's amazing.
28:40And she decided to do a bit of promo with Johannes.
28:44And now, Cyndi has given us permission to show this.
28:47This is Cyndi.
28:50And Cyndi essentially just trying to say your name.
28:53LAUGHTER
28:56You're so full of hype.
28:59LAUGHTER
29:01It's Cyndi Lauper.
29:04You know what it is?
29:05And Babe, I was like, you can say it wrong, it's fine.
29:08I'll accept it from you.
29:11I love her.
29:12Talking of musicals, Jacob Lordi, was it your very first gig?
29:16Ah, yes.
29:17What?
29:18I don't know this.
29:19Guys, my first job was at 12.
29:21And I think it was because I had bad behaviour in school.
29:23They thought it was obnoxious.
29:25So they asked me to play the cat in the hat in Seussical, the musical.
29:28We've got photographic evidence.
29:30Oh, Jesus Christ.
29:31Photographic evidence.
29:32That is a very young Jacob Lordi.
29:34Wait, you were 12?
29:35How tall are you at 12?
29:36I was honestly just a little bit shorter than this.
29:38Oh, bless you.
29:39Oh, bless you.
29:40Yeah, I've been this big since I was about 15.
29:42This is tall.
29:43And then the hat.
29:44Yes, the hat.
29:45He's the unfaithful narrator and trickster of the show.
29:49He opens the show and I came up through a trap door.
29:52Wow.
29:53And I was being sort of hunched down and the stage manager is like, okay, who's about
29:56to go?
29:57And it's like a school trap door.
29:58So it's not like this hat comes up.
30:02It's me with this look on my face.
30:04And that was your punishment?
30:05Yeah.
30:06That was my punishment.
30:07And then I started, you know.
30:08They don't know what they're doing.
30:09That's awesome.
30:10All the things you can think.
30:11All the things you can think, you know?
30:12Oh, wow, you know it all.
30:13Keep going.
30:14Yeah, if you're willing to try.
30:19And you got the bug.
30:20I got the bug.
30:21Yeah.
30:22And talking musicals, Amanda, Mamma Mia 3, that's a thing, right?
30:26Yeah.
30:27Wow.
30:28I love Mamma Mia.
30:30Yeah, and you guys are in it, all of you.
30:33It's nothing.
30:34Happily.
30:35No, you are.
30:36I love Mamma Mia.
30:37You're going to have to be in it.
30:38Because at this point, I cast people every day.
30:41Wouldn't you give a better cast than you guys?
30:44Graham, you're welcome.
30:45Oh, I'd love to get a brief.
30:47Everybody keeps asking me as if I hold the key.
30:50Maybe your agent got you an executive producer credit
30:52and you don't know it.
30:53Honestly, if I don't get it for the third,
30:55I'll be pretty pissed.
30:57But I want it for real.
30:59But I also think, like, I don't know anything about anything
31:03other than that I was in it.
31:05Twice.
31:06Yeah.
31:07Was it fun?
31:08Oh, it's the best time of life, you know?
31:10Cher will be back, right?
31:11Of course she will.
31:12Cher is starring in it.
31:13OK.
31:14She's actually playing the lead.
31:17OK.
31:18What's she like?
31:19Is she cool?
31:20The best.
31:21Oh, my God.
31:22Not only is she just incredibly nice, but she is exactly who she is.
31:26Yeah.
31:27What you see is what you get.
31:28This studio is not large enough to contain the fuck she doesn't give.
31:32Yeah.
31:33She's very quotable.
31:35She is.
31:36She's so great.
31:38That is amazing.
31:39I love you.
31:40I love that.
31:41It's the perfect way they're staying here.
31:43Yeah.
31:44We saw you singing and dancing in Barbie.
31:45Would you ever do a Broadway show or anything?
31:47If I could sing, which I can't, you'd all know about it.
31:51I would never shut up.
31:52I would never shut up.
31:53I'd be singing right now.
31:54Because if I had your voice, I would never shut up.
31:58I can't sing.
31:59I'm terrible at it.
32:00And I had to sing.
32:01That's embarrassing.
32:02I had to sing in that scene in Barbie.
32:04But fortunately, I was meant to be not a good singer.
32:07That was fine.
32:08But it was mortifying.
32:09So embarrassing.
32:10I don't know how you do it.
32:11I think, honestly, it's liberating.
32:12Because you've seen...
32:13I mean, listen.
32:14In Mamma Mia, do Pierce, Colin and Stellan sing well?
32:18If they do it and they love it.
32:21Oh, they love it.
32:22You know?
32:23It's about just, like, accepting, loving it.
32:27You have a lot of confidence if you're not great at it.
32:30I know, but then once you get past the fear of it,
32:33you just become liberated.
32:34If I'm, like, with friends at karaoke, I don't care.
32:37Yes, great.
32:38Like, I can actually share.
32:39Believe is my favourite karaoke song.
32:41Oh, really?
32:42Nice.
32:43So do a bit of a shared voice while I do it, you know?
32:45But doing it in front of, like, a crew was humiliating.
32:47Wait, what's your share voice?
32:48Yeah, I was going to say...
32:49Is there any more?
32:50No, I'm absolutely not stepping into that.
32:54Sure, on live TV, I'm just going to bust it out.
32:56Absolutely not.
32:57That's not happening.
32:58Oh, God.
33:00Give us a share, come on.
33:03Can you?
33:04Go on, come on.
33:07Do it.
33:08You're doing it, Jacob.
33:09Do it.
33:10I'm not singing.
33:11Do it.
33:12Do you be...
33:14He wants it.
33:16Leaving your chair to one side, I've got to ask you
33:20while you're here, Joanna, a lot of Strictly fans, myself included,
33:25are a bit worried.
33:26You were very boohoo when you said goodbye to Alex Kingston on Strictly,
33:30is that the end?
33:32Are you not coming back to Strictly?
33:34back to strictly was that boohoo yes you were sobbing graham i will do that show for as long
33:42as they will have me okay good good no i promise i will yeah it's a magical sparkling world i love it
33:54yeah it'll be you'll be there a long time i think oh really yeah oh can you reveal quickly
33:58who the new hosts are wait what now you know now you know i do not know i'm i'm keen though
34:18you can't say that again no no we don't know do we no we don't listen lots to look forward to and
34:24you can see johannes ranabe in kinky boots the musical from the 17th of mark i urge you to do so
34:33all right it is time for music this Scottish singer-songwriter just won the prestigious
34:37brits critics choice award for their debut album in limerence here performing their latest single
34:43don't fall asleep it's jacob allon jacob allon everybody so beautiful come on over to the band
34:54all the candles we love it thank you so much jacob thank you so much jacob
35:02another jacob and margot is here oh sorry don't spill drinks oh there oh oh oh nice bonding lovely
35:14very nice uh very good uh jacob thank you so much for that performance it was really really really
35:20beautiful and uh that is off the new album which is out now in limerence yeah yes yeah now i think i
35:28speak for the nation uh what does limerence mean well you know graham i didn't know what it meant for
35:34a long time either um i found it down a rabbit hole of deep desperation on youtube um just after basket
35:42weaving yeah look at that basket and by the way can i just say i love the artwork in this it's gorgeous
35:48thank you it's my friend rory my friend rory following him oh yeah love to rory yeah so in
35:54limerence yes keep going that's it yeah so the crappy childhood fairy um appeared on my algorithm
36:00and she taught me the word limerence and it's this deep state of longing for something that isn't real
36:05it's like an obsessive kind of attraction um that um with some to someone that is you know impossible
36:15or unavailable or a fictional that you've kind of filled in the gaps in your mind so we can all
36:19relate to that wow that we didn't i didn't know that so now i do but you felt it but i understand
36:25it yeah yes annoyingly it was one of those words we'll probably use now i'm sorry but i was i was
36:31fully in limerence with them is that how you use it are you in limerence with yeah i mean i i wanted to
36:36make a distinction from love because being in love is what i always thought this was and i was really
36:42relieved when i learned that it's not as shite as that it's actually going to be a bit better than
36:48that so and uh more good news you've announced uh a mini tour you're off on tour where are you
36:54doing you're dublin i'm calling it a tour and is the roundhouse that's going to your biggest gig so
37:04far that's the biggest one it's gonna be crazy it's so round it is it probably they called it a roundhouse
37:09and that's what it is and i'll be spinning i'll be spinning it's like people are sitting all around
37:13i think i'll be like i think so yeah i'm gonna see if they have a lot of work i know well you should
37:19come you should come and take one side and i'll take the other and i meant to say as well uh you wait
37:27ages for one jacob to be on the couch and now we've got two uh yeah what a bargain can you sing
37:34believe my share oh i don't really know how would you i'm a i'm a bad gay i don't really know much
37:40please don't put me in gay jail could you could you get it going i'll sing along with it oh no that one
37:50yes
38:08thank you beautiful beautiful
38:11Beautiful.
38:12See, you know what?
38:14It's been a real sing-along tonight.
38:16Yeah, I know.
38:17Hey, Jacob, congratulations on the album.
38:19Thank you so much for that beautiful performance,
38:21and good luck with the tour.
38:22Jacob Adlon, everybody!
38:24Thank you so much.
38:26What did you say?
38:28I think so.
38:29I think that's about that, because it's actually...
38:31Right, that's nearly it before we go.
38:33Just time for a quick visit to the big red chair.
38:35Who have we got? Hello, sir.
38:36Hi, Graeme.
38:37Hi, what's your name?
38:38My name's Max.
38:39Max, lovely.
38:40Where are you from, Max?
38:41Originally from Melbourne.
38:42I thought I heard an accent.
38:43And do you live here now?
38:45Yeah, I've been here for about four years.
38:46All right, what do you do?
38:47I'm a trainee lawyer.
38:49A trainee lawyer.
38:50All right, Max, off you go with your story.
38:52OK, so this story goes back to when I was about six years old,
38:55in class, and the teacher went round the room
38:57and wanted to find out what everyone's parents did for a living.
39:00So for some context, my mum's a sexual health doctor.
39:03So we went round the room, there were a few accountants,
39:07business builders, nurses, nothing out of the ordinary.
39:10Until it got to my turn, when I got up and proudly announced
39:13that my mum is a sex worker.
39:16So it gets worse.
39:18That evening, the reason why the teacher had asked us to present this
39:21was because that evening was parent-teacher night.
39:24So my mum went along, she was running late from work,
39:26and remember, the teacher at this point thinks my mum's coming
39:29from a brothel.
39:30And when my mum arrives, she's ten minutes late,
39:32and she's very apologetic, she goes,
39:34I'm very sorry I'm late, it's been absolutely mental at work,
39:37been backed back all day, queue out the door,
39:39and I've been absolutely slammed.
39:41So...
39:42That's brilliant, do you do more?
39:44There's a good story.
39:45Do you do more?
39:46Oh, you want to be good?
39:47OK, there you go.
39:48Hey!
39:49There you go.
39:50One more?
39:51We've got time for one more?
39:52OK, here we go.
39:53Hello.
39:54Hiya.
39:55Hi, what's your name?
39:56I'm Jenna.
39:57Jenna, lovely Jenna.
39:58And where are you from, Jenna?
39:59I'm from South Africa, but I moved to London in November.
40:02OK, are you enjoying it so far?
40:04Um, it's a bit, yeah.
40:06It's...
40:08Wow, someone's saving for a ticket home.
40:17Get a job on a cruise ship.
40:18All right, Jenna, what are you doing for a short time here?
40:22Um, I'm an assistant researcher for an educational resource company.
40:27Jesus, that sounds awful.
40:29Go home.
40:31Eh, no, Jenna, off you go with your story.
40:35OK.
40:36So, a couple of years ago, I was invited by my friend to go on his family vacation to Mozambique,
40:41which is a country that borders South Africa.
40:43All right, all right.
40:44Don't worry about it.
40:45That was essentially what was his grand last international holiday,
40:49because she was turning 90, so they wanted to take her, you know, to the beach.
40:53Oh, lovely.
40:54Um, and we had a lovely time, but on the second last day, she passed away peacefully in her sleep.
41:01Um, the problem was we didn't know how to get the legal fees or documentation to move her body back to South Africa,
41:08and they didn't want to bury her body there in the beach.
41:11Um, so the solution was to quietly pack her into the trailer of their car that they had crossed the border with.
41:19Um, pack her with some ice.
41:21I like South Africans who are resourceful people.
41:23Um, but yeah, so we covered her in a Moroccan carpet and packed her with some ice.
41:30Um, and drove her across the border.
41:33Beautiful.
41:34Um, so when we got to the other side of the border, we were relieved, stopped for a drink at the closest.
41:39Yep.
41:40Uh, Reshan, which happened to be a wimpy on the side of the road.
41:42Um, had our drink and got back to the car and the trailer had been stolen.
41:47Oh!
41:48So, yeah, we love the missing trailer and a missing persons request.
41:57I'd say you could walk.
41:58I'd like to go.
41:59Oh, you want to be good too?
42:01OK, there you go.
42:02Uh, I so hope that's true.
42:06How is it not, like, also kind of illegal or something like that?
42:12Look, Amanda, slightly illegal.
42:15No, it's very illegal.
42:17They're removing a dead body.
42:19Um, all right, that really is all we've got time for.
42:22If you'd like to have a go in the red chair yourself and tell your story,
42:25you can contact us via our website, this very address.
42:28Please say a huge thank you to all of my guests tonight.
42:30Uh, Jacob Allon.
42:32Yohannes Haniby.
42:34Amanda Seyfried.
42:37Jacob Elordi.
42:40And Margot Robbie.
42:43Join me next week with Music S Gorillas, Olivier Award winner Adrian Lester,
42:50Big Band Theories Kayleigh Cuoco, and the creator and star of Adolescent Stephen Graham.
42:54I'll see you then.
42:55Good night, everybody.
42:56Bye-bye.
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