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00:30The Army Air Force has announced that a flying disc has been found and is now in the possession
00:59of the Army.
01:00Army officers say the missile found sometime last week has been inspected at Roswell, New
01:05Mexico and sent to Wright Field, Ohio for further inspection.
01:10Late this afternoon, a bulletin from New Mexico suggested that the widely publicized mystery
01:15of the flying saucers may soon be solved.
01:18Army Air Force officers reported that one of the strange discs had been found and inspected
01:22sometime last week.
01:23Our correspondents in Los Angeles and Chicago have been in contact with Army officials endeavoring
01:28to obtain all possible late information.
01:30Joe Wilson reports to us now from Chicago.
01:34The Army may be getting to the bottom of all this talk about the so-called flying saucers.
01:39As a matter of fact, the 509th Atomic Bomb Group headquarters at Roswell, New Mexico reports
01:45that it has received one of the discs which landed on a ranch outside Roswell.
01:49The disc landed at a ranch at Corona, New Mexico, and the rancher turned it over to the Air Force.
01:55Rancher W.W.
01:56Breezel was the man who discovered the sopher.
01:59Colonel William Blanchard of the Roswell Air Base refuses to give details of what the
02:03flying disc looks like.
02:07I'm standing at what remains of the Roswell Army Airfield, home of the 509th Bombing Group.
02:14This is all back in 1947.
02:16There's really not much left here.
02:18A brick wall, some dust on the road, that's about it.
02:20But in 1947, this was ground zero for what many people believe, as we do, something crashed
02:28here from another world.
02:29A brick wall, some dust on the road, that can't go to the quando andrenkosis.
02:38Just like that one button and order, as we do.
02:41A brick wall is cinco, yeah.
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11:57It's an iconic place in
12:26It's when these things break, you know, researches we just pop all over, but when they, I forget
12:35the gentleman's name who zoomed in on the telegram, and that to me is very, very telling,
12:42that to be very important.
13:12He had no idea that the print on that paper was facing the camera.
13:17Years later, the computers were starting to read what's on that piece of paper.
13:22Exactly.
13:23Victims of the wreck. Weather balloons didn't have victims.
13:26No, exactly.
13:27And so, I mean, that to me is the beginning of the cover-up.
13:30So, we know that in 47, when the Roswell Daily Record published the first story,
13:40Army Captures Flying Visc.
13:43And the whole world, apparently, switchboards going nuts,
13:46and everybody's looking at Roswell.
13:49And then, what is it, 24 hours later, 40 hours later, whatever,
13:52a completely different story, Ramey says.
13:55And that's been the status quo until 2017
13:59with Commander David Traber on Tucker Carlson.
14:02And then everything changes.
14:03Unfortunately, Marcel had no choice.
14:06Ramey pulled rank on him.
14:08I mean, he was a general, and he was a major.
14:11He didn't have a choice.
14:13He had no choice.
14:14But you can look in the expression on Marcel's face on that thing.
14:18I have talked about that till the cows come home.
14:21He is not comfortable with that in those pictures.
14:23No, he's not.
14:24I'm a student of body language, not a professional student,
14:26but I'm a student of body language.
14:28And his eyes, everything says,
14:31What am I doing here?
14:32What am I doing here?
14:33Why are you doing this?
14:35You can see it.
14:36Unbelievable.
14:37Yeah.
14:38So, you know, they're both gone.
14:40Jesse Marcel, Senior.
14:42Major Marcel and Jesse Marcel, Junior.
14:45And yet the legacy lives on.
14:48We still don't know the truth.
14:50We were in Hangar 84 this morning, which was a real...
14:52I mean, I had to catch my breath.
14:54I really did.
14:55Because, I mean, I've known about that forever.
14:57So all of a sudden we're in the area.
14:59And then Bull took us into the back back room
15:04where allegedly the autopsy took place.
15:06I have some questions about that.
15:09I don't know that an autopsy was done there.
15:12We do know there was an examination
15:14because Glenda and this mortician had the nurse friend,
15:17which is a whole other story.
15:19Exactly.
15:20But she claimed that there were three bodies badly decomposed
15:25and one they could examine.
15:28And she was taking notes for a pathologist
15:31that was examining bodies.
15:33I don't think they had the time here to do an autopsy.
15:37If they sent them to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base,
15:40like we know they did because Patrick Henderson was a pilot,
15:43they had cold storage facilities.
15:46They would have been able to do autopsies or whatever
15:49to preserve the bodies.
15:51So I hadn't ever brought into the autopsy here.
15:55Okay.
15:56And that little room out there, which...
15:58It's very small.
15:59Yeah.
16:00I don't know that had been a good facility.
16:02Maybe they just viewed the bodies there.
16:04Maybe that was like a holding place for them.
16:06Interesting enough, Colonel Hill in the interview with the Rankins,
16:10what happened to the records, what happened to the bodies?
16:13Without any hesitation, Colonel Hill stated on the record to them
16:17that they were falling away like that.
16:19Well, we know where it went because Patrick Henderson was a pilot.
16:22Yeah, and that's on the record.
16:23Top pilot by the atomic bomb group that was stationed here.
16:27And he never told his wife anything he did while he was in the military,
16:31which is typical of the atomic bomb group.
16:34Secrecy is their job.
16:36But after they retired, they were in a grocery store
16:39and at the checkout counter, there was a tabloid that said something about Roswell.
16:44He looked at his wife and said, I guess I can tell you what I did.
16:48She said, what?
16:49He said, I flew bodies and debris from Roswell to Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio.
16:55That was the first she knew it.
16:57Wow.
16:59It's amazing how military people, and you know, my hat's off to them, no pun intended,
17:05but they take that oath, that non-disclosure agreement, they take the oath, and they hold on to it.
17:10I mean, Colonel Hill's on his deathbed, and we have two witnesses.
17:14We have a gentleman he just spoke of, and Colonel Hill said they were flown to Wright Field.
17:19I mean, so we know that that's what happened at some point.
17:23I also spoke to a woman fairly recently within the last five years who works,
17:30was still active at Wright-Patt, and she told me that there's a section,
17:36there's an area, that when you get near it, it smells like formaldehyde,
17:41and no one goes in there.
17:431118 or Hangar 18?
17:44It's something like that, yeah.
17:46Something like that.
17:47And you know, there's guards always around it and stuff, so, you know, something's going on.
17:52I am delighted to be here with Frank Kibler.
18:17And, you know, your background, you deal with geology and metals, and you found some things.
18:26But before we get into that, in 2017, we know that Commander David Fravor appeared on Tucker Carlson's show
18:33and sort of let the cat out of the bag when Tucker asked him,
18:36in your opinion, what was this tic-tac-shaped object?
18:39And Fravor looks right at the camera and says,
18:43whatever this was is not from this earth.
18:46Groundbreaking.
18:47I figured my phone was going to ring off the hook.
18:50Totally flatline.
18:51Nobody cares.
18:52A couple of weeks later, and this is the question.
18:55A couple of weeks later, Luis Elizondo appears on the show and he goes,
18:59yeah, we've got metal from retreating UFOs, crash sites, some from government, some from private.
19:05We're testing the metal.
19:07A couple of weeks later, Chris Nolan comes on and goes,
19:09we've tested the metal.
19:11It's got isotopic ratio.
19:12It's not found on this earth.
19:14And that, Frank, I want you to weigh in on that.
19:17When you heard that, what were your thoughts?
19:20The isotope ratios are like a thumbprint.
19:24They are a dead giveaway as to where this material came from.
19:28We know if material comes from the moon or from Mars or from Mercury or whatever,
19:32because we know what those isotope ratios are.
19:34And there are only certain ones that we have on earth, certain ratios.
19:39And if those ratios are what they say they are and they don't match what we have here on earth,
19:44then the dead giveaways, they are extraterrestrial.
19:47They can be from new places.
19:49And that, I mean, that is astounding.
19:52The fact that, you know, and I get it, Nolan is former agency.
19:56And so, in my opinion, we're looking at a managed agenda, but that's my opinion.
20:01There are powers that be behind the scenes that are sort of leeching this information out.
20:06But, I mean, that is, it's a groundbreaking statement.
20:10Something happened.
20:11And depending on who you talk to, it was a weather balloon.
20:15Something crashed there.
20:16And Jesse Marcel Sr. mistook somehow the debris from a weather balloon for a crashed UFO,
20:23which, of course, we've interviewed a lot of different people,
20:26and we're not buying the weather balloon story at all.
20:29So, I don't believe that the powers that be, and I was a Boy Scout.
20:34Sorry, I remember doing this.
20:36When you policed an area, right, you were shoulder to shoulder.
20:40Remember that?
20:41Are you a Boy Scout?
20:42Oh, yeah.
20:43I was in the Boy Scouts.
20:44I remember doing that.
20:45You remember that?
20:46Yes, I did.
20:47So, we would clean the campsite, the entire troop would line up shoulder to shoulder,
20:48and we would walk through that area and pick up anything that didn't belong.
20:51And that is exactly what they did, allegedly, at the Roswell Crafts Act.
20:56But they didn't get everything.
20:58Their thoughts?
20:59It would be impossible to get everything.
21:02The reason why is when something blows up, and I've done the physics on this,
21:07when there's an explosion from an aircraft, a crashing aircraft,
21:11there is stuff scattered everywhere, and it's all sizes.
21:13And the only way that you could possibly ever, ever find everything
21:17is you would have to literally remove the top two or three or four feet of ground.
21:21Which they didn't do.
21:22As far as I know, they didn't do it.
21:24They did some work out there with dozers.
21:25That information I do know.
21:27So, a little simple question, do you think they got everything?
21:30No.
21:31The military couldn't.
21:32I don't care if they went over it a hundred times on their hands and knees and crisscrossed it.
21:37There is no way that they could have gotten it all.
21:40I mean, look what's going on right now in this part of New Mexico.
21:44We're getting lots of storms, lots of rain.
21:46And it only takes, and this is the time of year that it goes on,
21:50it only takes a little bit of a rainstorm to wash stuff down a rabbit hole, to wash stuff.
21:55And there's no way they could have gotten it.
21:57There are pieces, and it just takes a lot of diligence and a lot of time to find stuff.
22:04Have you found anything out there?
22:06I have.
22:07I have found materials out there.
22:09It was not an easy task.
22:11It was very frustrating.
22:13The first time I went out there, I was out there at the debris, called the debris field.
22:18The first time I was out there, I found nothing.
22:21I was out there for probably anywhere from eight to ten hours,
22:25walking around, swinging a metal detector,
22:27in places where I used my geology knowledge for things like runoff and stuff,
22:32and looked at the physics of explosions to figure out where to breathe.
22:36I found nothing.
22:37Went out the next day, I did the same thing.
22:40Except towards the end of the day, after about six or eight hours,
22:44I got this little ping sound in the headphone that I was using.
22:49And I'm going, oh my gosh, my heart was racing.
22:53And it was in an anthill.
22:55So I dug up the anthill, and here's this tiny little piece of metal about the side of my,
23:02half of my little fingernail.
23:05Wow.
23:06Put it in my hand, a gust of wind came, and blew it out of my hand.
23:11It took me another ten minutes to find it, because it was so lightweight.
23:14It just kind of flew away.
23:15And I'm like, what the heck?
23:17So, and then paranoia set in, after I found it again.
23:20I mean, I found it, and I packaged it up, and sealed it all up.
23:24And I'm like, oh my gosh, could this actually be a piece of a beautiful thing?
23:28And then I started thinking about, are the helicopters going to come?
23:31Are the men in the black trucks going to come driving up?
23:36And I'm going, alright, reality sets in.
23:38And I'm going, alright, I'm remote.
23:39Nobody knows I'm out here.
23:40No.
23:41So, that was the first time.
23:42Since then, I've found probably 30, 40 pieces, including some military bodies that I found were out.
23:49So, I've got that stuff.
23:52You know, in the whole Roswell War, we hear about the mystery metal.
23:57The metal that, allegedly, you could roll up, and then it would just spread itself out.
24:01What are your thoughts on that?
24:03That mystery metal, I'd look for that.
24:06That is the telltale holy grail.
24:08That's the holy grail.
24:09That's the holy grail of what we want to find out.
24:11If you want to hear my thoughts on that.
24:14I do.
24:15I spoke to a physicist, a couple of them, in reference to that.
24:18So, let me give you a little background so that lay people can understand what's going on here.
24:25So, do you remember the old mood rings?
24:27In fact, they're still out there, where your body temperature would change the colors on the rings.
24:32Sure.
24:33The warmth is changing the molecular structure on the inside of those ring material to make the different colors.
24:42And we use them today.
24:43We use it for aquariums and things like that.
24:45So, it has its uses.
24:46So, all you're doing is putting some energy in, and you're changing the molecular structure.
24:50So, I asked a physicist, several of them.
24:53I said, what if, can we do that with metals?
24:55Can we literally change the physical properties of atoms?
24:59If we change, bombard it with some kind of energy?
25:04And they said, yeah, but you've got to keep that going.
25:08So, if you have lots and lots of energy to pump into something, you can rearrange the molecules.
25:15If not, we do it today.
25:17You can rearrange those molecules, and you can make the elbows do different things.
25:21But you've got to keep that energy pumped into it.
25:24Otherwise, it disappears.
25:27It doesn't stay there for very long.
25:29So, now the story, the backing story on Roswell, is that after all the debris was cleaned up, there was a time where the animals, sheep, cattle would not cross over to the area.
25:43Oh, my gosh.
25:44So, I'm going, I got to thinking, I'm going, what if there was some residual type of energy that was left over, that was actually caused the morphing of the metals?
25:54Maybe the stuff that I found out there didn't morph at one time, but it doesn't morph now.
25:59Let me stop you right there.
26:00We interviewed Chuck Sikowsky, and we know from the county relations that the herd, let's say the cow is put back into the field here, the entire herd will move this far away from this.
26:09Well, gee, I wonder why.
26:11There you go.
26:12I wonder why.
26:13And the coyotes won't get near it, and it's even at the point where after the carcass is removed, the animals don't go near it.
26:21So, is it possible that the metal only lasted that way for a period of time?
26:27It's sheer speculation from it.
26:30But I think that whatever energies it had dissipated, it had no longer been.
26:37Yeah, it lost its properties.
26:39It lost its properties.
26:40You know what?
26:41We have nitinol, and I should have brought some nitinol with me.
26:43I have some.
26:44Cool.
26:45So, you can literally crumple it up and hold it in your hand and let it go.
26:49That's amazing.
26:50So, I have some nitinol foil, and I played with it here.
26:53When was that?
26:54When did that nitinol?
26:55Nitinol.
26:56Okay.
26:57When did that come into date?
26:58That was shortly after.
26:59That was shortly after.
27:01Not too long after.
27:02What a coincidence, right?
27:05So, is it possible with a SPAC engineer like Philip Corso talks about?
27:10It's possible.
27:11Everything is possible.
27:12But you also have to understand that this was right after World War II.
27:17Yeah.
27:18And our advancements in technology for owls, for electronics.
27:22To the roof.
27:23We were trying to come up with technology so we could beat our animals.
27:28And some of that might have been an offshoot of the war.
27:33I don't know.
27:35It's only speculation for my part.
27:37What's in here?
27:39You want to see it?
27:40Absolutely.
27:41All right.
27:42So, what do you want to see?
27:43You want to see the button first?
27:44Yeah.
27:45The button's the most important part.
27:47Actually, the button's kind of cool.
27:48No, because the button shows that, you know, what is that button doing out there?
27:53So, this is an aluminum fatigue button.
27:59And it's been dated from the mid-40s, early 50s.
28:04And this is what the military used.
28:06Would have worn.
28:07I found three of these.
28:08Shoulder, shoulder.
28:09That's right.
28:10I found three of these buttons out there.
28:12They were buried three to four inches deep in hard-packed, what we call collegiate, which
28:17is clay.
28:18It's been there for a long time.
28:20I found three of those out there.
28:22So, let me just stop you right there.
28:23Yeah.
28:24What's that doing out there?
28:25Uh-oh.
28:26It's a military button.
28:27It's a military button.
28:28It's a military button.
28:29It's a military button.
28:30And that, what I love about that, that is physical evidence that a bunch of military
28:35guys were out on the debris site and they had no business being there.
28:40Hands and knees.
28:41Right.
28:42Unless they were having an orgy and ripping their clothes off.
28:43No, I don't think so.
28:44I don't think that was happening.
28:45But, no.
28:46Wow.
28:47That button.
28:48That's a smoking gun.
28:49It is.
28:50That is a smoking gun.
28:51There's no doubt.
28:52There's no other place that it could have come from.
28:53Yeah.
28:54Because it is, in fact, a military.
28:55Wow.
28:56So, we have that.
28:57And that's one of my favorite artifacts that actually came from the debris field.
29:07Now, later on, there was a documentary that was made.
29:12They went out there and I raised hell with them because it was a, I won't mention the
29:17name of the organization that did the work.
29:20And they found a, um, a really big button that came off of a, um, um, it was military uniform,
29:31but it was for like an officer.
29:33And, uh.
29:34So, he's not on his hands and knees picking up.
29:36You know.
29:37No.
29:38And I had, I had a, I had a dispute with them.
29:41And, uh, it might have been one of the reasons why they shut the show down.
29:44The show had some problems.
29:45Uh, but, uh, they locked it.
29:47They basically, that was planted out there by them to make it look.
29:51Because I told them that I had found this and, uh, uh, I showed these to them, but they
29:56wanted to find their own button as, as part of the mystique of, of making a, uh, a show.
30:04Which is sad.
30:05But that's what they did.
30:06And the, uh, the, the people that, uh, the, the leads in the show that did that, uh, one
30:14person that, that I know very well, he agreed with me and he apologized across the
30:19window.
30:20Wow.
30:21Yeah, because it's completely disingenuous.
30:22Yeah, it was.
30:23Yeah.
30:24And that's, that happens.
30:25No.
30:26So.
30:27Now, this stuff.
30:29Okay.
30:30I love this.
30:32Um, interesting little pieces of material here.
30:35Um, these are all, um, really thin, um, metal alloys.
30:43And this is the typical size of material that's been found out.
30:46This is what Linda Marcel showed.
30:48Um, and it's usually, uh, folded over like, like a lot.
30:52I mean, it's been folded over a bunch, uh, over the years.
30:56Um, uh, some of it has, um, um, under a microscope, it's got holes punched all the way through it.
31:03That when you look at it, it's explosive holes.
31:06They're almost microscopic where you, you know, when a bullet goes through something,
31:10when it goes through metal, it, uh, it flares out on the backside.
31:14Right.
31:15Some of these pieces have pinholes where they flare on the backside.
31:19And I'm going, well, that's pretty wild.
31:21Some of it's melted on the edges.
31:23I think it's been through a lot of heat.
31:25Uh, so that has happened, um, sometime in the future.
31:29This is the average size of material that comes from out there.
31:32Um, this was unusual.
31:34Now, um, Mac Brazel mentioned that, uh, there was some pieces of material that was out there
31:43that resembled, uh, Bakelite plastic.
31:46Um, might've been Marcel that mentioned that as well.
31:50So the Bakelite.
31:51So I was walking around.
31:52I didn't find that piece with a metal detector, but, uh, it was just after a heavy rainstorm.
31:58I went out there, I was walking around and I found some pieces of plastic and I'm going,
32:01and this was, there was no trails, no roads, no nothing that would lead me to believe
32:06that it was left there by a camper or something.
32:09Right.
32:10So it just so happens that that's about the thickness of a phonograph record.
32:13It's about the same color.
32:16Um, it's been analyzed.
32:18It is a, uh, phenolic, uh, phenolic epoxy resin type.
32:23Um, could not have been made back then.
32:28Um, how it got there, I have no idea.
32:32It's, uh, it's been through, it's been through a lot of heat and looking it up, it's used,
32:37it has two properties or two uses.
32:40It's used, uh, uh, as heat shielding material for, um, uh, rockets, uh, for spacecrafts.
32:47And it's also, um, um, used in electronics.
32:51Uh, so it's the same kind of material that BB circuit boards made up as well.
32:55Um, don't know what it is.
32:58It's been analyzed and we've, I've got the data on that as well.
33:01So it is unusual for the timeframe for it to be out there.
33:08I've heard about the Roswell crash since I was a kid.
33:11I've always dreamed about actually going there.
33:14And the next day after our interviews with Frank Kimbler and Dennis Balthauser, we were headed
33:21out to the debris field, the legendary debris field.
33:25I had no idea where it was.
33:27And Frank Kimbler was our guide along with Chuck Sikowski.
33:30So we drove about 45 minutes to an hour north outside of Roswell.
33:36And then we made this left turn on a two lane country road.
33:40We were on that road for at least a half an hour before he made another left turn on what
33:45I could only describe as a cattle road.
33:47It was gravel.
33:48There was cattle gates, free range cattle were everywhere.
33:51And we were on that road for about a half an hour.
33:54Frank got out of the car and opened up a cattle gate and we found ourselves in very rugged terrain.
34:00And we were on that dirt road for at least 20 minutes.
34:05And finally we came upon the debris field.
34:08The debris field was literally in the middle of nowhere.
34:12I got out of the car and looked around.
34:15And I was just amazed that here I was at 72 years old standing in the legendary debris field outside of Roswell, New Mexico.
34:28We are here in ground zero. 1947 this is the crash site.
34:54And I'm here with two experts which I will immediately defer to.
34:58Frank, you've spent hundreds of hours out in this field.
35:01Lots of times.
35:02You've been here numerous times.
35:03Tell us the story about the Mexican woman and what she told you.
35:07Okay, so I was at the UFO festival in Roswell, a convention that they have every year.
35:13And this old Mexican lady came up to me and she was probably late 70s, early 80s.
35:22So, it was right in that.
35:23She would have been young.
35:24She says, oh, my family was camped out up in the hills.
35:27She says, I saw this thing come in.
35:29She says, I'm going to tell you how big it was.
35:31And I says, well, how big was it?
35:33And she said, it was 100 feet across.
35:35That's what I've always thought it was.
35:37100 feet across?
35:38That's a huge spacecraft.
35:39Yeah.
35:40And they were camped out in the hills this direction, which would be towards the north.
35:44I'm going to get my bearings here a little bit.
35:46It would be north and a little bit west of us.
35:49Closer to Roswell?
35:50No, closer to Corona.
35:52Closer to Corona.
35:53So, they were in the pine trees.
35:54They're not going to be camped out here during the 4th of July weekend.
35:56They're going to be up in the hills.
35:58And that's where they were at.
36:00And that has a tendency to match one of the stories about Lincoln La Paz,
36:05because he said he saw that the trees were clipped off in that general direction
36:10that I'm pointing in back this way, which is to the north and a little bit to the west.
36:14But there was also a touchdown site between this, which is called the debris field,
36:19and where Lincoln La Paz says that he saw the trees clipped off at the top.
36:27And what he found was the touch-to-a-touchdown site was melted glass.
36:33Huh.
36:34He mentions that, and I keep remembering that, and that is also supposed to be no more than a few miles to the north,
36:42slightly west of what this is called the debris field.
36:46That fits in with your story that you talked to me about, Chuck.
36:51So, obviously there's multiple stories to this, because we've had multiple witnesses,
36:57and then we're trying to gather evidence from something that happened in 1947.
37:0276 years ago.
37:03Yeah, so it's really tough.
37:05And working with people like Frank, instead of being one-sided in theories based on who you've talked to,
37:14we can start collaborating back and forth with who he's talked to and other investigators talked to.
37:19And the cool thing is, is no matter who you talk to, regardless who it is, right?
37:25The direction, the clipping of the trees, the one commonality is right here.
37:32This is where the debris came down.
37:35This is where I found evidence.
37:36This is where Frank's found a lot of evidence.
37:38That's right.
37:39And as investigators, that's what we do.
37:41We listen to all stories, and we look for that one commonality between all of them.
37:46And that's what we focus on, because, I mean, you know, we have full-time jobs.
37:51And so we have to spend our money wisely and our time wisely by focusing on the one thing
37:58that we know that we can probably get some type of evidence.
38:02And that's why we're here today.
38:04And just to be standing here, I mean, you know, I've known about Rothwell since I was a little kid.
38:09You know, and read the books, and I want to go there, I want to go there.
38:12And now we are standing here at Greenfield.
38:15So it's, in some ways, it's incredibly lackluster,
38:18because we're not seeing a hundred-foot, you know, UFO crash into the hillside.
38:22I will tell you this, this is literally the middle of nowhere.
38:25And, you know, weather balloon stuff, I'm not buying that for a minute.
38:29And we're going to get into something, because we talked to Frank yesterday
38:33at the Roswell Library about the button.
38:36And to me, this is the smoke.
38:38The metal's great, I get that.
38:39But the button, and you found three of them right here on this site,
38:43that kind of blows the whole story out of the water of, you know,
38:47it's just a weather balloon, something else is going on.
38:50So, it clipped off trees.
39:05Ragsdale sat on his site.
39:09And Debbie and I went there, and we found...
39:14It was cool, because we found the boulders, supposedly with the Ragsdale.
39:18Yeah, been to that exact same site.
39:20So, if you go back and get on a hill, you can see the tree line do this.
39:24No way.
39:25Something came through.
39:27Now, I guess it could be growth, but the ground didn't do that.
39:30No.
39:31The ground was level, the tree tops were this way.
39:33That's why we were focusing on that saddle right there,
39:36because that's where the Jim Rags site is.
39:39Sorry, Liz.
39:40Now, we're getting other stories.
39:43Want some more of this?
39:45I have more stories for you.
39:47Kevin Randall, one of his books that he put out,
39:52talked about an interview that he did with a lady that basically said that
39:57they were out working on Pine Lodge Road at the mill, and they saw some smoke coming off the side of the road,
40:07and they drove down, and basically, she mentioned the fact, and they saw some aliens sitting on a rock.
40:15Right.
40:16Wow.
40:17Did you read that story?
40:18That's in the museum, too.
40:19Yeah.
40:20So, that particular story would be where we assume that the main body of the craft, that's over there.
40:28That is right off of Pine Lodge Road.
40:30In fact, I was curious about it, because there's a huge dig site out there,
40:36and I spoke to the surrounding people about the dig that's right off the side of the road,
40:41and they said, oh, yeah, we don't know why they ever dug this, because even though it's been used for road ballast or whatever,
40:48the ground, it's worthless material.
40:50Huh.
40:51They dug a big hole out there, and that hole goes all the way back.
40:55Interesting.
40:56This is something kind of new that now we're going to be toying with, okay?
40:59Just for you, L.A.
41:00I appreciate that.
41:01Okay.
41:02Now, when things come down, they hit hard.
41:05And they skip.
41:06Well, this is a skip site.
41:08So, the story goes, from my point of view, was it came down, it skipped here.
41:13Right.
41:14And it left just tons and tons of debris.
41:15Right.
41:16And then it traveled 17 miles, the main body of the craft, and that crashed down.
41:20Three miles from this location, supposedly, is where there was some more wreckage that was found by the military,
41:26and that was Fawn Fritz was talking about that.
41:28Fawn Fritz, she was a granddaughter of Mac Griselle.
41:31So, it might have made a curve.
41:34Now, here's the thing.
41:35Because it could have, you know...
41:36No, but here's the thing.
41:37We were just talking about it, that no one's already thought about.
41:40It hit hard.
41:41Now, we do know, they say that there was a slice on the side, because debris fell out three miles.
41:47What about breaking apart?
41:50Now, you've got two pieces.
41:51You've got a piece there, and you've got a piece there, which now ties in two stories.
41:55Right.
41:56That the main body of the craft, there was actually two separate pieces of the main body of the craft.
42:02That would make sense if debris is over there, and now we have evidence that something's over there.
42:06So, we're here at UFO Nuts Truck in the back of it.
42:13We've got all of our gear here, and there's a reason why we're here.
42:17Something happened just maybe a hundred yards away in the debris field.
42:21Now, I have filmed in a lot of different locations.
42:24What happened was the batteries drained, and drained very quickly.
42:27I've seen this before.
42:29Chuck, what do you think?
42:31It's happened to me numerous times, and what's really cool is it falls right into Frank's theory about the memory metal, so...
42:39The idea about energies that were stored up in the metal and then gradually dissipated over time, which is why the sheep and the cattle never came over this for a long period of time until the energy dissipated.
42:53But who's to say there's still not some energies floating around?
42:58And just so you know...
42:59In certain spots.
43:00I'm right there with you.
43:01We were at Sulastani.
43:03Brian Forrester led us there.
43:04Chase Klotsky was there.
43:05And Chase had all this gadgetry on, which of course was battery operated.
43:10And there was one of the Sulastani towers, which has been taken down.
43:14Nothing left, except the ring of foundation stones.
43:17Chase stepped into that ring, and instantly the batteries drained.
43:21She was dumbfounded.
43:22We all were.
43:23So she goes back down to the parking lot, gets new batteries, puts them in, goes back into the ring.
43:28Same thing happens again.
43:29So there's something going on here.
43:31Something going on.
43:32Not only there, but here at the debris site.
43:35So even walking here, our mics dropped off from our sound man, James Peterson.
44:00And we will go back to that after we've done this thing.
44:05Keep talking.
44:06Yeah.
44:07But yesterday we talked about...
44:08I remember being in Boy Scouts at a jamboree, and we would all line up shoulder to shoulder,
44:13and we'd all walk the field...
44:14Pick up all the trash.
44:15Pick up all the trash.
44:16I did that when I was in the Boy Scouts.
44:17And so, according to what Marcel talked about, and other people, other witnesses, that the army came out here,
44:25or the Air Force came out here, the Roswell Army, shoulder to shoulder, on their hands and knees,
44:30picking up the bits of the metal.
44:32And you found the button.
44:34Three of them.
44:35Three buttons out here.
44:36And to me, that's like, it's almost more of a smoking gun than the metal.
44:39The metal's fantastic, because the metal shows that something very explosive happened to that.
44:44But the buttons tell us that, you know, why are we finding all these buttons out here?
44:50Your thoughts?
44:51The buttons are military fatigue buttons.
44:55I found them in this spot right here.
44:57In fact, we're standing, like, three of them spaced probably about this far apart.
45:01And they were buried about this deep in this hard-packed kalichis.
45:05So it's hard-packed.
45:07It's old to be buried that deep in this stuff that's packed down like concrete.
45:12And it was hard for me to dig out. I couldn't just use a regular spade to dig it out.
45:16And these buttons tested to circle what? 47 for sure.
45:21I did an investigation looking at military buttons of the era anywhere from the mid-40s to the early 50s.
45:29So even if it's a weather balloon story, I mean, a weather balloon, you know, you're going to have some debris on that.
45:35But nothing like this where you've got a debris field with perhaps thousands of shards from the craft all over the place.
45:43And in order to get everything, you're going shoulder to shoulder just like we did in Boy Scouts.
45:47I've been reading about Roswell and the Roswell crash and the Mystery Metal and all this stuff literally for decades, folks.
45:53And Frank is out here with this metal detector and he gets a hit.
45:57And we have this all on film.
45:59And he's digging it out and digging it out.
46:01And he finally finds...
46:03He's down to the last little bit of a handful.
46:05And sure enough, there's the piece that comes out.
46:09I love it.
46:11I'm trying to get it out.
46:13Let's sit through.
46:15I want to schedule this to my kids.
46:21If you're not going to use the الر easy answer, please.
46:26I want to schedule this time for a year, please.
46:28If you're planning to schedule this time properly, please.
46:30I'm not going to schedule this time for my kids.
46:31And if you're improving your kids.
46:33I'm going to schedule this time…
46:35I'm going to schedule this time for you back to the next day.
46:36I'm going to schedule this time for me to schedule this time for a week.
46:38I don't know, I missed it before, I must have dropped it.
46:48Alright, it's in that dirt pile, we know that for a fact.
47:06Keep dropping it, it's in that hand.
47:32That's where it is.
47:39There it is.
47:46There it is.
47:53There it is.
47:54Come here guys, we found a piece.
48:08Got a piece of it.
48:10It's right there.
48:11It's dirty, it's been buried for a long time.
48:14We got another piece.
48:16Before it blows away, make sure you hold it.
48:18Oh, I didn't get to go anywhere.
48:20Okay, let's get rid of the dirt and I'll pour some water over it.
48:23You guys got a shot of that?
48:25That's so cool.
48:26That is a piece of the metal and we just found it.
48:31Do you know how rare that is to actually have that happen out here?
48:34I know, I know.
48:35You guys are like, good luck.
48:36It's awful.
48:37On film.
48:38This is only the second time in probably 12 years that we've ever caught this on film.
48:43Frank, you are amazing.
48:44Oh yeah.
48:45They almost always, they're almost always folded.
48:48Now we can clean that book.
48:51Okay.
48:52Get pictures?
48:53Yep.
48:58Actually, you know, let's rinse it off.
49:01I got it.
49:02It's not going.
49:03You got it?
49:08It looks exactly like the other pieces that you found.
49:11This one's even folded up more.
49:12Yeah.
49:13Wow.
49:14That was, that was in the display.
49:17So there it is.
49:19The mystery metal from Roswell.
49:21There we go.
49:22That's an old piece too.
49:23Look at that.
49:24Look at that.
49:25Look at that.
49:26That's a good piece.
49:27That's an amazing.
49:28That's the largest piece I've ever seen.
49:30I have found it three times.
49:32Oh no, this is.
49:33Yeah.
49:34No, no.
49:35Let's look at this folded.
49:37Yeah, that's folded.
49:38This is really amazing because, you know,
49:40the chances of finding anything at this point 76 years later, right?
49:44Let me explain something.
49:45Please do.
49:46They're usually in groups.
49:47So if there's one here in the span of maybe eight feet,
49:53there could very well be another one.
49:55Wow.
49:56Wow.
49:58Wow.
49:59I'm pretty jazzed.
50:00I can't really.
50:01No, I'm really jazzed about it.
50:02I am joined this evening with Chuck Sikowski and Frank Kimmler.
50:07It's a real honor and pleasure to have these guys here at the end of our Roswell films,
50:15because without them, we would have never found a piece of a debris.
50:16So I just want to cut right to the chase.
50:17I'll turn it over to you guys.
50:18You know, we found two pieces of metal, which kind of blew us completely out of the water.
50:19And, and, and, and.
50:20And the way the way Frank is so meticulous and very careful.
50:22with uh chuck sukowski and frank kimber it's a real honor and pleasure to have these guys here
50:27uh at at the end of our roswell films because without them we would have never found a piece
50:34of a debris so i just want to cut right to the chase i'll turn it over to you guys um you know
50:39we we found two pieces of metal which kind of blew us completely out of the water and and you know
50:46the way the way frank is so meticulous and and very careful you know digging down getting the
50:51dirt making sure it's beeping and and all that we of course we've showed that on film we've captured
50:57it on film but now we've tested the metal and and tell us what we uh tell us what you guys discovered
51:04well we went back you know after after we found the metal with you and found a couple pieces more
51:12so we had a couple more pieces besides the ones that we tested you know with you and uh go ahead frank
51:19this is uh this is your field so yeah no we we had uh what was nice about this is chuck had uh had
51:27pieces his pieces tested which uh up in colorado and i had my pieces tested down here and uh we ended up
51:36with uh this essentially the same results and uh this is what we came up with uh we we came up with uh
51:44what is a um a 6000 series alloy and and i need to put this into perspective yes um aluminum uh
51:55alloys of aluminum have different uh catalog or different uh categories they can be put into
52:01and a uh and there's a whole worldwide designation or catalog of these alloy designations and what their
52:09compositions are so what we ended up with was we ended up essentially with a 6000 series alloy that
52:17we don't know exactly what 6000 series alloy it is but it falls into that category and to to give it a
52:24little more little so that people that are listening going oh what the heck is a 6000 series alloy um
52:30aluminum foil household aluminum foil is a 1000 series uh the top of an aluminum can is a 5000 series
52:43alloy in the side of aluminum can is a 3000 series alloy uh aircraft alloys are in the 2000 range is what
52:52they are and then there's some real exotic ones like they build uh space shuttles and stuff out of that
52:57that are in that 7 000 um zone for what so ours are essentially an uncatalogued unknown 6000 series
53:09which is just amazing it shouldn't be out there because 6000 series alloys are generally used for
53:18big construction projects i i was making i was making a joke going hey chuck uh you know 6000 series alloys can
53:25be used for uh beer kegs maybe the aliens had a kegger out there i mean who knows about the um they're
53:32also used for uh like tanks so like giant uh tanks they're they're used to build essentially like
53:39things like aircraft carriers and i'm going why is this stuff out there what amazes me is they didn't
53:44get it all i mean i just love it and i get it you know frank and i talked about it all three of us were
53:50talking about this you know boy scouts shoulder to shoulder these guys are on their hands and knees this is
53:55why the buttons are falling off or or getting loose or getting tangled up and a button falls off and
54:01then you find it you know decades later i get that it's all part of the of of of what really happened
54:08there but they didn't get it all because you're right you get a little piece like this you like
54:13like the size of the end of your finger and then you look at the white sands explosion i don't know how
54:19that was leaked i don't know who leaked it out whether i'm even looking at something it's real
54:24but it sure seems like it's real to me and when that thing explodes you know you're looking at
54:28something with a lot of velocity almost like a bullet coming down like you know you fire a 22 into
54:34the ground that bullet's going to go in well that's what we're looking at here so what really
54:38gets me is this is hard science you guys have spent the money we went out in the field but then you
54:43guys took it you know took the ball and ran it across the goal line it's hard science like i said
54:48earlier the machine doesn't care what we believe or not believe or whatever what all the machine's
54:53doing is spitting out the data what drives me enough just like we did the dna testing in paracas
54:59and we went to three different labs and we had 58 different samples and we showed that something is
55:04is a mess something is not right it goes against the prevailing darwinian paradigm or the modern day
55:10archaeologists and the reason why i bring this up if if the academics don't like the data well it's
55:17contaminated well the machine's broken well you just found a beer can it's always but they never
55:23look at they never go out there themselves and actually do the hard work and i i applaud you guys
55:28i mean you took you took the ball um across the finish line and and in my opinion you know is it
55:34conclusive we'll never really know until the military actually comes clean but from where i sit
55:40from what i know from from the investigations that we've done you've done the hard science that
55:46we've done billy for you guys um to me it's a smoking gun you know and i'll quote the infamous infamous
55:54book that came out a number of years ago roswell case closed but it's not what you think
56:10it's not what you think it's safe for us but for us now we've done it's a lot of years ago
56:16we'll do a little bit of work oh we're doing this now i разработり x6
56:16you know and i've made this job of course let's go ahead and get it to me
56:20and as you want to get it to me so i think for you guys i'm also there's a lot of the
56:27people that we do have to go out and see what we're doing you can do is have a lot of
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