UFO Disclosure 6 - Cattle Mutilations – Unmasking the Dark Agenda

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00:01:00Chuck Zukowski is a professional investigator and has been delving into the cattle mutilation phenomenon for decades.

00:01:15Chuck was kind enough to give us video clips of his fieldwork and our first Watchers film.

00:01:20That was 10 years ago, and Chuck has since conducted numerous field trips to ranchers all over the Southwest.

00:01:26Chuck was a volunteer sheriff and law enforcement professional.

00:01:32Chuck brings a very unique perspective to our film in that, in my opinion, Chuck Zukowski is the lead investigator into the ongoing troubling world of cattle mutilations.

00:01:43So I'm here with Chuck Zukowski in his inner sanctum, which is just incredible.

00:01:48My first question is, what got you into this?

00:01:52Because this is something, I remember seeing Linda Moulton Howell's film, Strange Harvest.

00:01:57Oh, right.

00:01:58And this is years ago, and I was watching it, and I could watch about maybe 10 minutes at a time, because it was so disturbing.

00:02:04There was nothing in my grid system at all that prepared me for what Linda was showing in the film.

00:02:10It was just like, I had no idea this was going on.

00:02:13You live in Colorado, which is in some ways cattle mutilation central.

00:02:18What got you into this?

00:02:19Okay, so what got me into the cattle mutilation aspect of UFOs?

00:02:22Because I was in UFO investigations a decade or so before I got into cattle mutilations when I lived in California.

00:02:30As was I.

00:02:30Right.

00:02:31So when I moved out to, actually, I researched cattle mutilations in California.

00:02:37It just, you know, there weren't any, pretty much, that I could get to because I lived in Huntington Beach.

00:02:42But the reason why I researched animal mutilations early on is because there was always some type of a UFO.

00:02:48Not always, I shouldn't say always.

00:02:50Sometimes there was a UFO encounter, you know, around the time of mutilation, either week before or week before.

00:02:56Lights in the sky.

00:02:57Yes, lights in the sky.

00:02:57Weird craft.

00:02:58Something like that, yeah.

00:02:59So when I came out here to Colorado, it was, oh, I think 1999, 1998, 1999.

00:03:08Stuff going on out here, so, you know, I started rolling on it after the fact.

00:03:12After, you know, it was already on the papers.

00:03:15That was the only way I knew about it.

00:03:16And it was really interesting because the people that I were talking to were seeing lights in the sky.

00:03:24And I call them balls of light.

00:03:26I don't like to call them orbs.

00:03:27Okay.

00:03:27Because I've done some ghost investigations.

00:03:32And an orb in a ghost investigation is a living entity of being of some sort.

00:03:38I agree.

00:03:39But a ball of light when you're out on the field where there's animal mutilations, it's more mechanical.

00:03:45It's more like a probe.

00:03:46And they're doing something out there.

00:03:48And they can respond to you, too, or they can scare the hell out of you or whatever.

00:03:52So I think one is mechanical and one is spiritual.

00:03:56So I got, I started getting more into animal mutilations because it was really fascinating.

00:04:01Now, I'm a city boy.

00:04:03So the first time I walk out on the field where there's, you know, 50, 60, 100 cattle, I'm like,

00:04:07terrible.

00:04:08Oh, yeah, they're big.

00:04:09They're 1,100-pound animals.

00:04:11Oh, well.

00:04:12And I'm like going, and of course, I'm just like not trying to, you know, be afraid because

00:04:17they can pick up on that.

00:04:19It's interesting.

00:04:20Cows aren't as stupid as people think.

00:04:22No, they're smart.

00:04:23They're pretty smart.

00:04:25A couple of times I've set up game cameras in areas where there have been mutilations to

00:04:30watch the cows.

00:04:32And cows are very in tune to their environment.

00:04:36And it can be a big open field and your game cameras will be, and they'll walk right up

00:04:42to the game camera and look at it.

00:04:44And basically, you know, they'll give you a side profile, front profile, wave, and a

00:04:49whole bit.

00:04:50So they know.

00:04:51And so game cameras don't generally work.

00:04:54Now, here's the, here's the thing now.

00:04:56So if you use, if a cow can figure out, you put a game camera out there and you're trying

00:05:02to take, you know, evidence of a UFO, of a higher entity that's more intelligent and

00:05:09it has a technology far beyond what we can comprehend.

00:05:13So I was learning on from a very, very early beginning of how to handle certain things.

00:05:18Now, with Linda Bolton, how's Strange Harvest.

00:05:22That came out before you moved here then, right?

00:05:24That came out.

00:05:24But I have to be honest with you.

00:05:26Um, I had decided once I started doing investigations that I wouldn't watch other people's material.

00:05:33It's not that I don't think that she did a good job.

00:05:35It's because she didn't find the answer.

00:05:39And, and, and so, I mean, if she found the answer, then why am I looking at, yeah, I don't

00:05:44want to do issues.

00:05:45And so what you don't want to do is you don't want to go down that same narrow road.

00:05:51There's so many different paths to go on that, um, you have to find your own path and you

00:05:57have to focus on what you're doing.

00:05:59And you don't want to be, you know, uh, influenced by other people's investigations.

00:06:05They haven't found the answer.

00:06:07If you follow their, if you know, their, their, their stuff and you may go down their path

00:06:11and you're going to hit a dead end too.

00:06:13And because of that, I'm like, was the first animal mutilation investigator to use an EMF

00:06:19meter.

00:06:20Uh, first one to use a full spectrum camera during the daytime by putting a white light

00:06:26blocker.

00:06:27And now, now I use, uh, just IR with a white light blocker.

00:06:31Every animal mutilation is, my opinion is animal cruelty.

00:06:36It's an animal cruelty case.

00:06:37Something is killing.

00:06:38It's a crime, right?

00:06:39So every crime leaves evidence who's ever committing the crime, these evidence doesn't matter if

00:06:47you're a human or you're an animal or, you know, you're going to leave some type of evidence.

00:06:52So it's up to us as investigators to try to figure out how to capture that evidence.

00:06:58And so you have to be really creative.

00:07:00So is that what got you into it as an investigator?

00:07:03I mean, what, so the phone rings and, and you pick up the phone and go, Hey Chuck, you know,

00:07:07there's a, there's a dead cow here on this ranch here.

00:07:09We're not sure what to go out and look at it.

00:07:11Is that what happened?

00:07:12Well, at first it was stuff in the newspapers.

00:07:16Okay.

00:07:16And then.

00:07:17It's caught your attention.

00:07:17And then I would just go.

00:07:19All right.

00:07:19Okay.

00:07:20And, and.

00:07:21So you would just go to the field and knock on the door?

00:07:24Basically.

00:07:24Yes.

00:07:25And what was that like?

00:07:26Um, not too bad.

00:07:28Okay.

00:07:28You know, a lot better than I thought people here in Colorado, the cowboys, you know, when

00:07:34you, when you talk to ranchers, they're very open.

00:07:36They're very down on earth.

00:07:38You know, I mean, I came from Huntington beach and I've worked in LA and you know, it's a

00:07:42whole different crowd out there.

00:07:43You come to Colorado, it's a little different, right?

00:07:46And, and you just can't come in and say, okay, what happened?

00:07:51You'd have to hide.

00:07:52I'm Chuck.

00:07:52You know, you, you get around to what you want to talk about.

00:07:56You just don't go for the attack because you know, they may not talk to you.

00:08:01Um, I had one rancher in a little town called San Luis, which is near the Colorado, New Mexico

00:08:06border.

00:08:07Okay.

00:08:07Uh, I worked on a few of his mutilations, really scary stuff, Manuel Sanchez.

00:08:13And he was really easy to work with.

00:08:15I remember.

00:08:15Yeah.

00:08:16I remember reading about that.

00:08:17So once that came out on the paper and my name was out there, then the other ranchers

00:08:22in the Trinidad area, San Luis Valley, knew of me.

00:08:26Um, so I did a, uh, a mutilation case for Guerin and, and the Guerin case, um, he was, uh,

00:08:33more of corporate type, you know, where they tag every animal and they have a file on every

00:08:39animal and the medical history.

00:08:40Sure.

00:08:40Right.

00:08:41Most of the ranchers out there, they're just free grazing animals.

00:08:44And then there was a new case there.

00:08:45But see, he, he found out about me from another ranch, contacted me because these ranchers out

00:08:51there, you know, they're very in tune, A, to the environment.

00:08:55And so they go out at night and they know the difference between an airplane, a helicopter,

00:09:00and something different.

00:09:01Because they're outdoor people.

00:09:03They don't, you know, a lot of people that are watching this and watch other shows, you

00:09:08know, they're, you know, they're watching in their living room.

00:09:10And how many times do they actually go outside camping and look up?

00:09:15Well, a few times a year.

00:09:16But ranchers every day, every day, every day, every day, every day, every day.

00:09:18Right.

00:09:19They're out there before the sunrise.

00:09:21And so they're in tune to their environment so they can say, they know when something's

00:09:26going on.

00:09:27And, and then also they know if an animal has been killed of natural causes because it's

00:09:32happened many times.

00:09:34Most of these ranchers are second and third generation ranchers.

00:09:37So it's not like they're newbies.

00:09:40So let's circle back.

00:09:42So you get, your phone rings, you go out, you see a dead cow.

00:09:47It's your first mutilation.

00:09:48What are your thoughts?

00:09:50What's going through your head?

00:09:51Well, the first mutilation is right off the bat.

00:09:55How do I know this animal didn't die of natural causes?

00:09:57Okay.

00:09:58Hey, if it did die of natural causes, what are the, what's the evidence to show that it

00:10:02died of natural causes?

00:10:04Predator damage, scavenger, well not scavenger, that comes later, predator damage, right?

00:10:10Biological.

00:10:11This is where you got to be really, really careful.

00:10:13I mean, you know, there's mad cow diseases, all kinds of stuff.

00:10:16Sure.

00:10:17So I roll on my first one.

00:10:19I got gloves on.

00:10:20I've got a bio mask.

00:10:22It's in my kit anyway.

00:10:23Put that on.

00:10:23I have a full white suit.

00:10:25You know, I don't know.

00:10:26Right.

00:10:27I really don't know.

00:10:28And I roll on the first one like this, like, you know, a person out of their, completely

00:10:35out of their environment, right?

00:10:36I'm watching the rancher stand right there looking at me going, fine, take all the crap

00:10:43off, you know?

00:10:44And because the rancher's fine.

00:10:48Yeah.

00:10:48Nothing's happening to him.

00:10:49Nothing's happening to him.

00:10:50But you still have to know that there could be a virus, a viral thing that can, because

00:10:59cows and humans are a lot closer.

00:11:02We'll get into that.

00:11:03Yeah, than most people think.

00:11:05So you have to think about the viral aspect.

00:11:09So you always have to watch out for that.

00:11:11So now I'm looking at this animal.

00:11:12I'm going, yeah, it's everything that I've researched, everything, you know, all the aspects

00:11:18are there of what a mutilation case is compared to an animal being killed by a predator.

00:11:25You know, lack of blood, strange cuts, you know.

00:11:29Oh, I got some stuff to tell you, too.

00:11:31How it's laying there, how it appears to be dropped.

00:11:35Appears to be dropped.

00:11:37Okay.

00:11:38And you're looking at it and you're learning all that stuff.

00:11:41And I got to tell you, L.A., that I've been doing this for over 30 years, probably close

00:11:46to 35 years, field investigative work.

00:11:49So I think I'm pretty good at it because I found stuff that other people haven't figured

00:11:54out yet.

00:11:55Every case I do, I learn.

00:11:57And that's what drives me, too.

00:12:01Because I always learn something new.

00:12:04It's not just the same old case.

00:12:06So you're there, you're looking at this animal, and this is what amazes me about some of the

00:12:13shows that talk about kind of mutilations.

00:12:15And the mainstream press will say, oh, it's predators or some sort of satanic cult or whatever.

00:12:20And we rule those things out.

00:12:22I mean, predators, there'll be blood everywhere, there'll be flesh, all this stuff.

00:12:25We don't see that.

00:12:25What we see is, and I'll let you describe it, but we see surgical precision with the cuts.

00:12:34And I want you to explain, so you walk up, and I realize each one can be different, like

00:12:40you know, tongues, eyes, whatever, anus is cord out, sex organs cord out.

00:12:44Something really grizzly is going on.

00:12:48So let's talk about the incisions, the way these things are excised from the animal.

00:12:54So it's really interesting with that, because I had taken, well, you would have the cut.

00:13:00It depends if it's the side of the face or the side of the neck or the body.

00:13:04The eye or whatever.

00:13:05Right.

00:13:06The ear.

00:13:07Really hard to take, really hard to take, you know, samples from the skull because it's so hard.

00:13:12So from the, you know, it's easier.

00:13:15So I have a scalpel.

00:13:16And so the cut's here, right?

00:13:18So what you do is on the leading edge of the cut, you do a triangle so the lab can actually

00:13:25see the cut, right, the unknown cut.

00:13:29And I've done that a few times.

00:13:30I've taken it to the Colorado Veterinary Lab over on the other side of Denver, okay?

00:13:37And they're a veterinary lab for the Four Corners region.

00:13:40Okay.

00:13:41And they're open 24 hours.

00:13:43Oh, wow.

00:13:43I'd be rolling up.

00:13:44I rolled up with a cow one time at 12.30 in the morning.

00:13:47And how to analyze it.

00:13:49We can go on that later.

00:13:50But they would look at it.

00:13:51And depending on the different samples of the different cows, it was, they would say,

00:13:59well, it appeared to have been surgically cut.

00:14:02Another case, it appeared to have a serrated edge.

00:14:06You know, remember your mom having those scissors that cuts material and you have the little triangles?

00:14:13Yeah, I had a case like that, too.

00:14:14That's very strange.

00:14:15Okay.

00:14:16And, but it was too, the form was too perfect to be animal bites.

00:14:23Right.

00:14:24But, you know, for a while there, when 2009 hit and it went on for, you know, a decade,

00:14:31just, you know, I mean, Rancher Miller, who we'll be talking to later, I've done, I think,

00:14:3712 or 13 investigations.

00:14:40That's why I picked him.

00:14:41Yeah, that's amazing.

00:14:43And he's got a very interesting area there that we'll talk about, too.

00:14:47Let me go way off script here.

00:14:49Or is he spooked by this?

00:14:56Every mutilation he's concerned about.

00:14:59There's other things that spooked him.

00:15:02We can talk about that later.

00:15:05Okay.

00:15:06So, if we can start it now, then we're going to go off topic.

00:15:09This is a very complex phenomenon that's happening.

00:15:13It is.

00:15:13And not too far from him, Rancher Mike Duran, I investigated a couple of his events,

00:15:23and so much stuff had happened with, in his area, and with lights in the sky and things

00:15:30that his wife and his son had seen, that for a while there, his wife was afraid to go out

00:15:34of night.

00:15:35So, yes, it does affect people to a point where they're afraid to go outside.

00:15:39Let me go, I got, I received an email from Pastor Stevie up in Pennsylvania.

00:15:47This has been now last week, and now it's into this week.

00:15:50So, there's a flap happening.

00:15:52It was the 22nd of March today.

00:15:532023.

00:15:55So, there seems to be a flap happening up in Pennsylvania.

00:15:57And to your point, what you just said, the woman who saw this saying, now she's afraid

00:16:03to go out at night.

00:16:04And this is what happens, because it's, there's nothing that prepares a person to deal with

00:16:10this phenomenon.

00:16:11So, getting back on task here, on point.

00:16:13So, there's also been reports from my research that some of these cuts are done with laser-like

00:16:19precision.

00:16:20Your thoughts?

00:16:21Well, it's not laser, as we know it.

00:16:23Unless it's a cold laser, because there is no heat applied to the cuts, any of the cases.

00:16:32So, you would see, you would see some type of, of, of, of a, something showing that heat

00:16:39was on the cut.

00:16:40Okay.

00:16:41That's never been the case.

00:16:43So, if it is a laser, now it's, it's laser precise in some cases, you can see that.

00:16:47Now, if they use a cold laser, where, you know, heat isn't applied, okay, that could be the

00:16:55case.

00:16:56You know, and there are cold lasers out there that, you know, that don't burn.

00:17:01Um, there's no hemorrhaging.

00:17:04So, and I learned that.

00:17:06Now, this is a, this is one thing that I learned that, that made me feel, oh, well, thank God.

00:17:13Okay.

00:17:13So, the animal's not alive when they're cut up.

00:17:15Because I can't imagine an animal being sedated and being cut up while it's sedated or, or

00:17:22not, or paralyzed, I should say, and not being able to move.

00:17:26So, the animals are, are, are drained of blood first.

00:17:30Why?

00:17:31Why do we know that?

00:17:31Because every one of the samples, there's no hemorrhaging, meaning there would be blood

00:17:36coming out.

00:17:36Right.

00:17:37And the cuts would be none of that.

00:17:38So, they drain the blood first.

00:17:40Yeah, and nothing cauterized.

00:17:41No cauterization at all.

00:17:43That opens it up to a whole different topic.

00:18:03Tom Miller has been ranching all of his life on 1,400 acres in a remote area of Colorado.

00:18:09Tom has lost 16 cattle to the mutilation phenomenon.

00:18:13Chuck Zukowski has investigated many of the mutilations on his ranch, and it was Chuck

00:18:17who introduced us to him.

00:18:19We interview Tom on his ranch.

00:18:21Here is his testimony.

00:18:23I'm here at Tom Miller's ranch.

00:18:27It's an incredible 1,400-acre spread.

00:18:29So, we are in an undisclosed location somewhere in Colorado.

00:18:33So, there's been 16 cattle mutilations on your property.

00:18:36Of course, Chuck Zukowski brought us here to interview you because you've been sort of in

00:18:41the thick of it.

00:18:42What kind of a span through the years, you know, you've got 16, is it like every two or three

00:18:46years, or is there no rhyme or reason?

00:18:47When did it start, let's put it that way.

00:18:48When was the first one?

00:18:49Well, the first one we checked for sure was in 1996, and that was close to the house there.

00:18:55Okay.

00:18:56How close to the house?

00:18:57Within 50 yards of the house.

00:18:58Oh.

00:18:59And so, and we had lost cattle before, but they'd be down in a row a year or something

00:19:02like that.

00:19:03And so, I just let the coyotes take care of them, but this one was right close to the house,

00:19:08so I really checked it out.

00:19:09So, some of those others might have been mutilated too, I don't know.

00:19:15Don't know.

00:19:16But this one I checked and it was completely mutilated.

00:19:21No blood.

00:19:22No blood at all.

00:19:23No blood at all.

00:19:24No blood.

00:19:25No blood at all.

00:19:26No blood.

00:19:27No blood at all.

00:19:28No blood.

00:19:29No blood.

00:19:30No blood.

00:19:31No blood.

00:19:32No blood.

00:19:33No blood at all?

00:19:34No blood.

00:19:35Yeah.

00:19:36No blood.

00:19:37No blood at all.

00:19:38No blood at all.

00:19:39Did you, you know, 50 yards from the house, that's awfully close.

00:19:42Did you see anything?

00:19:43Were you awakened in the middle of the night?

00:19:45Was, I mean, anything happening other than, you know, how did you, let me ask you this,

00:19:51were you awakened and then how did you discover the cow?

00:19:55Well, I had my whole herd out here.

00:19:58Okay.

00:19:59And I was feeding them.

00:20:00And so that's when I noticed there was one laying there.

00:20:04Were the other cows away from the one that was mutilated?

00:20:07Uh, they were fairly close to it.

00:20:09Okay.

00:20:10And, uh, but after I, uh, checked that one, and anytime I would lose one after that, I

00:20:18would really check it.

00:20:20And I lost a lot more through mutilations than just natural cause.

00:20:24Wow.

00:20:25So something, something's up with this particular piece of property.

00:20:28I mean, 16 mutilated cows from 1996 to the present day.

00:20:33That's, it's really incredible.

00:20:35Um, you've seen lights, you've seen orbs.

00:20:40Um, something is going on in this area.

00:20:43So are the, are the cows, they're in different parts of the 1,400 acres or was there a concentration

00:20:49in one particular area?

00:20:51No, they were scattered out, uh, different properties or all my property, but, you know,

00:20:57different places.

00:20:58Okay.

00:20:59Um, some of the rivers, some in the fields, some out in the pasture.

00:21:02Did you call a veterinarian and do a necropsy on any of the cattle or what did you do?

00:21:07Well, I, I did have the veterinary out, veterinarian out, and then I called the sheriff and they

00:21:16came out and looked and, uh, uh, of course they didn't understand it either.

00:21:21And what, what did the sheriff say for an explanation?

00:21:24Well, he, he wanted to know if I had any enemies and, uh, but, uh, I think he was just kind

00:21:31of joking because he couldn't figure it out either.

00:21:34So you called a brand inspector, someone that comes out and looks at the cattle.

00:21:38What did he say?

00:21:39Well, he was at a loss for words too.

00:21:42Okay.

00:21:43Um, he didn't understand what happened or, uh, how it could happen and just like the rest

00:21:49of us and, uh, so I, I'd call the sheriff out a few times and, uh, but then pretty soon,

00:21:59you know, there was no explanation.

00:22:01So, uh, after that, I, I just called Chuck.

00:22:05That was my next question.

00:22:07How did you get ahold of Chuck?

00:22:08What was the relationship there?

00:22:10How did it start?

00:22:11Uh, I'm not sure how I got ahold of Chuck to start with.

00:22:15Uh, every time I would have one, I would get him to Chuck.

00:22:18Sure.

00:22:19Uh, touch with Chuck and, uh, he would come out and, uh, one, one time we, it was a calf

00:22:26and, uh, we loaded it up on his pickup and he took it to, uh, Fort Collins, I think, uh,

00:22:32to, uh, uh, facility up there and they checked it and they said they'd never seen anything like

00:22:39it.

00:22:40So let me ask you something.

00:22:41So you're here, you've lost 16 head of cattle over a period of time.

00:22:45Right.

00:22:46Something is going on.

00:22:47You had lights up into the window.

00:22:48You had, you told me the story earlier where this, something kind of passed over you and

00:22:54they did it twice and you couldn't, woke up the next morning, you couldn't walk.

00:22:57And that was a whole very strange experience.

00:23:02But as a rancher, as a human being, you know, with a wife and, and all this, the cattle everywhere,

00:23:12you come out and you find not only one, but through the years, 16, how do you deal with

00:23:18that emotionally, mentally?

00:23:21What, how do you process that?

00:23:23What, what, what does it create in you?

00:23:26Well, uh, first it kind of a fear because you don't know what's going to happen next.

00:23:32Right.

00:23:33And then, uh, then you, you just kind of have to live with it.

00:23:38I mean, uh, you don't know what caused it or who caused it.

00:23:43Uh, uh, but I guess we just kind of keep going on.

00:23:48We can't just stop, so.

00:23:50Right.

00:23:51So you kind of learned to live with it.

00:23:53Is that a fair statement?

00:23:54Yeah, of course, you know, it's a terrible thing, but, uh, there's nothing I could do

00:24:01about it.

00:24:02Let me ask you something.

00:24:03The level of fear.

00:24:04I mean, that, that when you come out and you see something like an animal like that, and

00:24:08you know, it's not a bobcat or a mountain lion or a bear or a coyote or anything like

00:24:13that.

00:24:14These cuts are surgical and they're precise and the blood is drained and there's, and

00:24:19the scavengers won't touch the carcass.

00:24:21We know that from all the study that, that Chuck and other researchers have done with the

00:24:26cattle mutilation.

00:24:27So when you look at this, I mean, what, the fear level.

00:24:31What's the fear level from one to 10?

00:24:33What's the fear level?

00:24:34Uh, I, I guess, uh, it's eight.

00:24:39I don't know.

00:24:40Okay.

00:24:41You know, it's, so it's way up there.

00:24:42It's way up there.

00:24:43And then, uh, I guess the more I have it, the fear kind of goes down, but you still,

00:24:48you still worry what, what's going to happen next, you know?

00:24:52Now, regarding the lights, um, have you ever actually seen a UFO in the field?

00:24:58Are there just, or are they just moving lights that are moving around?

00:25:01Uh, the ones I've seen is, uh, just lights, except, you know, I was telling you about that

00:25:08guy with a cell phone and, uh, taking a picture.

00:25:12He was in a tree stand.

00:25:13Right.

00:25:14And, uh, then it, it was a round object, like a marble.

00:25:19Like an orb.

00:25:20Like, yeah, something like that.

00:25:22Yeah, something like that.

00:25:23So, we got 1400 acres here, roughly, and 16 cattle mutilated over a period of years.

00:25:29And yet, your neighbors that surround you, no cattle mutilations.

00:25:33Is that a fair statement?

00:25:35Yeah, that's right.

00:25:36Any idea?

00:25:37I mean, any explanation that you have?

00:25:40Not really.

00:25:42And then the road out here, within a mile stretch, right?

00:25:47Right.

00:25:48Twelve people have, have died in horrible, I'm assuming horrible, automobile accidents,

00:25:53in a one mile stretch of road.

00:25:55Which, I mean, you, we could do some research on that and try to find the odds of that.

00:26:00But the road is straight.

00:26:01I mean, it's not like it's this 90 degree turn, like dead man's curve or something.

00:26:05The road is straight, and yet there have been 12 fatalities on that road.

00:26:08Your thoughts on that?

00:26:10Well, uh, sometimes maybe I kind of tie it to the mutilations or with the, uh,

00:26:16whatever's going on, uh, maybe it affecting a car or people in there.

00:26:24I don't know.

00:26:25So you did a soil test on the property.

00:26:28Was there anything anomalous with the, uh, with the soil?

00:26:31Actually, uh, one crew that was here, and they, I showed them where the different spots were,

00:26:38where these animals were mutilated.

00:26:41They took tests of the soil, but that's been a long time ago.

00:26:46And, uh, it was, I, I, I'm not sure exactly what, but it wasn't like the soil was over there.

00:26:56It was, there was something a little bit different.

00:26:58Something was different.

00:26:59Something a little bit different.

00:27:00Okay.

00:27:01Something a little bit different.

00:27:02A little bit different.

00:27:03So, Tom, Chuck Zukowski, uh, came out here and, and did some research.

00:27:08And he, um, found EMF readings that were higher.

00:27:13Tell us about that.

00:27:14Well, uh, I know one of them for sure.

00:27:17He came out and the cow was mutilated there.

00:27:20And he checked right at the, the body of the cow.

00:27:23Mm-hmm.

00:27:24And he got a high reading.

00:27:26And whenever he would back away a ways, it would go down.

00:27:30So there was something about that animal, uh, some kind of radiation about that animal.

00:27:35Now, with these, with the mutilations, the 16, I want you to describe, not every one,

00:27:41but I'm assuming, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I'm assuming that different parts of the animal were taken.

00:27:48Tell us, tell us what parts of the animal were basically taken or mutilated.

00:27:53Okay.

00:27:54Usually, uh, one eye was gone.

00:27:57And, uh, it was just cut out.

00:28:00And sometimes one ear was gone.

00:28:02And, uh, and it, a lot of them had a, a cut cut on the chest.

00:28:08And, uh, in the rear end, there was a cut there.

00:28:12And, uh, apparently, uh, some of them you could, you could look right down.

00:28:17Right down in there, in the cavity.

00:28:20And so, uh, I think that one calf that they did, uh, biopsy on, I think the lungs, the heart, the kidneys,

00:28:34there were several items missing out of there.

00:28:38And, uh, they mentioned with the heart, was the heart, was the paracordia in the sac that surrounds the heart,

00:28:45was that still intact or didn't they say anything about that?

00:28:48Uh, I don't think they said anything about that.

00:28:50Okay.

00:28:51But, and also, a lot of times the tongue is missing too.

00:28:55The tongue is missing, right.

00:28:56And, uh, it's real strange because, you know, moving, removing all those things and there's not a,

00:29:04sometimes there's not a drop of blood there.

00:29:06And that's impossible.

00:29:07Yeah, that's impossible because a cow has five, six gallons of blood.

00:29:12Yeah, that's a lot of blood.

00:29:13That's a lot of blood.

00:29:14And I know any time I, uh, have to have a cow down or something, have to make a little cut on it or something,

00:29:21the blood squirts.

00:29:22Instantly, right?

00:29:23Yeah.

00:29:24So, uh, it's just completely strange.

00:29:28One of the more strange, um, mutilations on the property involved two cows.

00:29:37Right.

00:29:38One, one was mutilated, the other was still alive.

00:29:40Tell us about that.

00:29:41Yeah, when I found them, uh, I, they were laying side by side.

00:29:47But one was completely mutilated and the other one was laying right next to it.

00:29:53But its back was broke.

00:29:54It was still alive.

00:29:55Wow.

00:29:56But its back was broke.

00:29:57And so, uh, well, there's, I guess, a lot of theories that, you know, maybe, maybe both

00:30:06of them were raised up.

00:30:07Right.

00:30:08Maybe they were close together.

00:30:09Right.

00:30:10And as it beamed up, uh, maybe one dropped off.

00:30:14Right.

00:30:15Broke its back.

00:30:16Or they, uh, mutilated this one and dropped her down and maybe she landed on this other cow.

00:30:24But anyway, uh.

00:30:26So, let me ask you the, uh, a question because, um, there's a lot of, a lot of people around

00:30:33the phenomenon.

00:30:34And people have different paradigms.

00:30:36People have different worldviews, different belief systems.

00:30:39So, my question to you is, is this a good thing or a bad thing?

00:30:46Uh, what do you mean?

00:30:47Well, are the cow mutilations, are they a good thing or a bad thing?

00:30:52Well, to me, they're a bad thing.

00:30:53Okay.

00:30:54And I would agree with you.

00:30:55Let me ask you this.

00:30:57Do you think it's deliberate that whoever is doing this, whoever these entities are, they

00:31:03could drop the cow pretty much anywhere.

00:31:05But they drop it back in your pasture as if to say, you know, we can do whatever we want

00:31:12to do and you can't stop us.

00:31:14When you hear me say that, what does that make you think?

00:31:17How does it make you feel?

00:31:19Yeah, I think you're right.

00:31:21Uh, they can do what they want.

00:31:23And there's, it seems like there's no stopping it.

00:31:27Is there a nefarious element to this, in your opinion?

00:31:32Or do you think it's somehow wonderfully benevolent?

00:31:35What are your thoughts?

00:31:36Uh, boy, I don't know.

00:31:38I just, uh, it's just, yeah, maybe there is some kind of, like a motive for all of this

00:31:48stuff.

00:31:49I don't know.

00:31:50Maybe it's supposed to lead up to something and maybe, I don't know.

00:31:55In one of our films, we discussed abductions and we had two women who were abducted, one

00:32:02of them numerous times since she was six years old.

00:32:05During the abductions, when she got older, she was impregnated three different times and

00:32:11carried a child.

00:32:12And the child was taken from her at the third month of pregnancy.

00:32:17You've heard this, I've heard this as a researcher for decades, but then when you sit and you

00:32:22talk to a woman that's actually gone through it, not once, but three different times, and

00:32:27she's been abducted and taken since she was six years old.

00:32:30I am 20 years old and I'm living in another state and I am going out the window again.

00:32:43You know, um, it's starting again.

00:32:46And, um, about three months after we moved there and this started up again, I got pregnant.

00:32:58And, you know, this is before, well, you know, back then you had to go into the doctor.

00:33:08You didn't, didn't have all these great fast home pregnancy tests.

00:33:12Went to the doctor.

00:33:14I was pregnant, you know, having everything done, healthy, you know, gotten all the blood

00:33:21tests, all the appointments at about 10 to 12 weeks.

00:33:29I woke up and I wasn't feeling good and I wasn't bleeding.

00:33:36I never had any, I was spotted just a little bit.

00:33:39My stomach hurt really bad.

00:33:42It was about three or four in the morning.

00:33:45Went into the hospital, no heartbeat, ultrasound, no baby, DNC, no fetal tissue.

00:33:54There was nothing, it was clean.

00:33:57He's like, ma'am, are you sure you were pregnant?

00:34:00I'm like, this is my doctor.

00:34:02You can call her.

00:34:03I was pregnant.

00:34:04He's like, you didn't bleed all night.

00:34:06You don't have nothing.

00:34:08I'm like, no, nothing came out of me.

00:34:11That was the first time that happened.

00:34:14Over the five or six years that I lived in that place that happened twice again.

00:34:20Is it possible that the mutilations, because if they take,

00:34:23if they take the child at the third month, that child's not developed yet.

00:34:27They have to create some sort of an artificial womb.

00:34:30Recently in the news we heard that now they're creating artificial wombs for human beings.

00:34:35It's like Brave New World.

00:34:37Is it possible?

00:34:38Because we know that bovine blood can be used in human transfusions.

00:34:42What are your thoughts when you hear that the mutilations could be used,

00:34:46taking that genetic material and the blood to create an artificial wound for the hybrids,

00:34:52for these people that have been abducted, impregnated, and then the hybrid baby taken.

00:34:59What are your thoughts when you hear that?

00:35:01I think it's real possible.

00:35:04It means the blood of an animal, of a cow, and a human are so close.

00:35:10Right.

00:35:11So, yeah, I was talking to one guy one time and telling him about that,

00:35:17and he said, well, they're doing this because they're going to create some kind of a being.

00:35:23There you go. To my point. Yeah.

00:35:26So, maybe it is possible. I don't know.

00:35:30When I pushed her back, when she went to kiss me, I pushed her back.

00:35:35Her eyes shape-shifted.

00:35:37The whites went to a golden color with black streaks, and her pupils shrunk.

00:35:42I upset her, and that's what happened.

00:35:45When I pushed her back, her eyes shape-shifted, and I pushed her off me.

00:35:49That was my reaction.

00:35:50And I said, what the heck was that?

00:35:53And she gave me the most evil laugh you've ever heard.

00:35:57And I got the heck out of there.

00:36:01Judy Messaline is the owner and curator of UFO Watchtower,

00:36:05which is an observation platform and campground north of Cooper, Colorado.

00:36:11The Watchtower, which has a 360-degree view of the San Luis Valley,

00:36:15was created by Judy Messaline in May 2000

00:36:19to capitalize on the existing use of the property by UFO observers.

00:36:24There have been TV documentaries done on the UFO sightings in the area,

00:36:28and several books have been written on the subject.

00:36:31Since its inception, it has received widespread

00:36:34United States and international media coverage.

00:36:38Judy is also the owner of the remains of the skeleton of Snippy the Horse,

00:36:43who in some ways is ground zero for the ongoing anima mutilations in the modern era.

00:36:49The mutilation of Snippy made international headlines when it happened decades ago.

00:36:54So tell us the back story here. What's with this horse?

00:37:04She was discovered in 1967.

00:37:08The woman who owned her, her name was Nellie Lewis,

00:37:13and the horse was over here on the King Ranch,

00:37:16which is over by Mount Blanca.

00:37:18But they found her after she'd been missing for over a day.

00:37:24When they found her, she was totally stripped from the shoulder to the nose.

00:37:32All that was left was bones.

00:37:34This isn't making sense to anybody.

00:37:39Nellie said that the day before that she had seen UFOs in the area.

00:37:46And this valley is known for UFOs.

00:37:49It's a hot spot.

00:37:51The area around Snippy was radioactive, which is bizarre.

00:37:58So they got your counters out there and they're seeing the needles are jumping.

00:38:03Right.

00:38:04Is that a fair statement?

00:38:05Yes.

00:38:06And there were indentations in the ground like something had landed there.

00:38:14They opened the skull to get the brain out.

00:38:18There was no brain.

00:38:20Then they opened the body cavity.

00:38:23No organs in the body cavity.

00:38:26Let me stop you right there.

00:38:27I want to drill into that.

00:38:28No pun intended.

00:38:29Were there any entrance wounds in the skull area?

00:38:33So there's no, but the brain is gone.

00:38:35Right.

00:38:36And the organs in the body cavity.

00:38:38Same thing.

00:38:39Same thing.

00:38:40And I had a young man come in two months ago.

00:38:46And he was there when they opened the body cavity.

00:38:50Oh my gosh.

00:38:51That was nice.

00:38:52Eyewitnesses, you know?

00:38:54And he said, it was weird.

00:38:57He said there was no organs in there.

00:39:00And of course the body was completely drained of blood.

00:39:02Right.

00:39:03And no blood on the ground.

00:39:05No blood on the ground.

00:39:06So, I don't know what's happened in here.

00:39:09They've estimated 10,000 to 15,000 mutilations in this valley in northern New Mexico since the 60s.

00:39:17Wow.

00:39:18And that's the time when Snippy was mutilated.

00:39:22Was taken?

00:39:23Yeah.

00:39:24Now, the debunkers will always say, well, it's predators, it's coyotes, it's, you know, a mountain lion or whatever.

00:39:32But we know that, just from what we just stated, that the forensics, the crop seed that was done on this horse show that something very, very strange is happening.

00:39:41Of course, again, research that there's lights in the sky, UFO activity in and around these places with it.

00:39:49The cow was mutilated.

00:39:51I was mutilated.

00:39:53I asked Chuck this question.

00:39:54Obviously, or maybe not so obviously, there seems to be an endgame here.

00:40:00There's an agenda.

00:40:01Whoever was doing this spends an inordinate amount of time doing it.

00:40:05And then there's the fear factor.

00:40:07It's like if you're going to take a cow from somebody, you know, that's stealing.

00:40:11And if you're really that intelligent that you can create craft that come from some other world, surely you understand that if you drop something in the farmer's field that's mutilated, that's going to create fear.

00:40:24It's almost, in my wheelhouse, in my paradigm, it's almost deliberate that they're basically saying, screw you, we can do whatever we want.

00:40:31Yeah.

00:40:32And you can't do anything about it.

00:40:33Your thoughts just on that.

00:40:35I think our military has something to do with all of this.

00:40:41And the reason I say this, there was a woman who lives south of Blanca and she called me one day and she said, I just want you to know I just saw a military aircraft drop a mutilated cow.

00:40:54I've talked to and I think, you know, Chuck has talked to people, witnesses in the UFO community.

00:41:01These, these things, these, whatever they are, nuts and bolts, crap, some of them apparently have the ability to morph into other, you know, so when you say military aircraft, okay, I get that.

00:41:13It may have been us that's doing it.

00:41:15I understand that.

00:41:16But it also can be them sort of shape shifting into some other crap.

00:41:21The UFO that came up to a person's property and then right in front of his eyes shape shifted into a dragon-like thing and flew away.

00:41:28Okay.

00:41:29Yeah, he couldn't believe it.

00:41:30What you see with this, with this animal, big news, because this was really ground zero in some ways.

00:41:38Yeah.

00:41:39So tell us what happened with the reporters and the media that came around and, and, and were trying to figure out what was going on.

00:41:46Well, her real name was Lady.

00:41:48I want to tell you about it first.

00:41:50So it wasn't Snippy?

00:41:51No.

00:41:52All right.

00:41:53The media named her Snippy.

00:41:55Why was that?

00:41:56Because.

00:41:57Because of the, okay.

00:42:00Yeah.

00:42:01All right.

00:42:02Because of the mutilation.

00:42:03All right.

00:42:04Um, every spot in Alamosa, every motel was full.

00:42:10Wow.

00:42:11After the word got out about Snippy.

00:42:13And this is, I'll just show you know, this is an extremely remote area.

00:42:18Oh yeah.

00:42:19I mean, it's really very, very remote.

00:42:21You have to be driving here intentionally.

00:42:25You don't just end up.

00:42:28Yeah.

00:42:29But, um, people just went nuts.

00:42:34Everybody trying to figure it out.

00:42:36And somebody said that ants.

00:42:38Yeah, I read that.

00:42:39Had done that.

00:42:40No way.

00:42:41Total nonsense.

00:42:42Not overnight.

00:42:43You know.

00:42:44Total nonsense.

00:42:45And, and the ants wouldn't pick the bones clean.

00:42:47They would leave some parts and they would concentrate on a certain area.

00:42:51This thing was tripped.

00:42:52And the fact, what did ants do?

00:42:54Somehow drain the blood from the animal.

00:42:57So, I mean, it's just, you know, it's a, it's a debunker or a skeptic mind looking for

00:43:01some sort of natural explanation.

00:43:03Because in a lot of people's worldview, there is no supernatural or there is nothing, you

00:43:08know, that's maybe coming from an interdimensional portal or something like that.

00:43:12But there's been other, you mentioned it earlier, there's been other mutilations in this

00:43:17valley.

00:43:18How, what kind of an area are you looking at here?

00:43:20Mile wide, square miles, roughly.

00:43:22It's 75 miles wide and a hundred miles wide.

00:43:25So that's, that's a big area.

00:43:26It is.

00:43:27That's a big area.

00:43:28And the mutilation that I got to go see, the rancher's wife is the one that told

00:43:36me about it.

00:43:37When he found out, he got upset because he didn't want anybody knowing it happened there.

00:43:43But she told me that the, the day before there was military aircraft flying all over their

00:43:51ranch.

00:43:52And then the next morning they found the mutilated cow.

00:43:56So, what do they need this for, you know?

00:44:03Well, Chuck Zukowski and I were talking about this and it's, it's my, I'm leaning towards

00:44:09the fact that bovine blood can be used in transfusions.

00:44:14That the abduction phenomenon is real.

00:44:17People are taken.

00:44:18Sperm is taken from the men, ovum from the women.

00:44:21Women become pregnant.

00:44:22They're re-abducted in the third month.

00:44:23The child is taken from them.

00:44:25That child has to be incubated in something.

00:44:28And what I think this is, and, and experiences and other people have talked about this.

00:44:33They're, they're in a ship and they see these, these vials, these glass-like jars and in

00:44:38it are the, are the fetuses, which look more alien than human, which are growing.

00:44:43And I think that the, the mutilation is to get the genetic material to create artificial

00:44:49wounds.

00:44:50Your thoughts when you hear that?

00:44:51That could be.

00:44:52That very well could be.

00:44:54I haven't been taken yet.

00:44:56And you don't want to be.

00:44:57Yes, I do.

00:44:58Okay.

00:44:59We differ on that.

00:45:00I want to see.

00:45:01But who knows until one of them lands here and we can have a chat.

00:45:11That's it right there.

00:45:12That's the whole thing.

00:45:13So, and that brings me to this, you say you want to be taken.

00:45:16We all want to know the information.

00:45:18We want to be able to sit down and have a, you know, an interview with one of these characters.

00:45:22And of course that doesn't happen.

00:45:24Now, you mentioned the government.

00:45:26Is it possible that the government has had interviews with these entities?

00:45:30I've talked to people who have claimed to be in underground bases, deep military, you

00:45:37know, deep underground military bases.

00:45:39And they have stated on the record, we pixelated their faces, the skies, their voices.

00:45:43They were both, both people I've interviewed on this and others were very distraught, very

00:45:49distraught about what they had seen.

00:45:51And they basically stated we were working side by side, the grays.

00:45:55We were there.

00:45:56Your thoughts on that when you heard that?

00:45:58Well, Robert Hall, have you heard him speak?

00:46:01Mm-hmm.

00:46:02I mean, and, and he says that they landed right there, outside of Las Vegas.

00:46:11And that they met with our governmental officials.

00:46:16And then I have the Native Americans who come in here and they're down on the reservation,

00:46:23the Navajos.

00:46:24And I had one come, I spied jewelry from her.

00:46:28Mm-hmm.

00:46:29And she said they land on our res.

00:46:31And I said, well, you've seen them?

00:46:34Boy, yeah.

00:46:35Have you talked to them?

00:46:38I don't know.

00:46:39We stay away from them.

00:46:41She said.

00:46:42Interesting.

00:46:43I spoke at a Navajo reservation at a church a while back.

00:46:47And a woman came up to me.

00:46:49The church was here and there was like a little, like, small mountain range, more of a hill

00:46:53than a mountain range.

00:46:54And then there was a little valley.

00:46:56And she said, you know, about a month ago, a UFO was just hovering right there.

00:47:01So they know.

00:47:02I mean, they're, they're, they've been in communication with these entities for centuries.

00:47:07So we were talking about bovine blood.

00:47:12The fact that when you come up to a cattle mutilation, the blood is drained.

00:47:17Is this all across the board?

00:47:20Okay.

00:47:21Now this is the common denominator.

00:47:23Okay.

00:47:24I'm going to turn my back for a second and just show you this file right here.

00:47:29And it says 1896 cattle mute case.

00:47:341896.

00:47:35Okay.

00:47:36In Missouri.

00:47:37Wow.

00:47:38There was three animals that were found drained of blood.

00:47:41Wow.

00:47:42And there was, there was a light hovering over it.

00:47:44I got goosebumps at that.

00:47:45I didn't know about that.

00:47:46Okay.

00:47:47So when people think about animal mutilations, the first thing they say is, well, it's our military.

00:47:52No, it's not.

00:47:53Us this or that.

00:47:54It actually, okay.

00:47:55Okay.

00:47:56So this is the case that comes, that was in the newspaper in 1896.

00:47:59But one of the luxuries of me living out here in Colorado and when I go out is I get a chance to talk to Native Americans.

00:48:05Yeah.

00:48:06So here in Colorado Springs, it's the Ute Tribe.

00:48:08Then out there in San Luis Valley.

00:48:09Then we have Navajo going to Mexico.

00:48:11It's Apache where Dulce is and stuff.

00:48:14And they all have animal mutilation stories in their history.

00:48:21Oral tradition.

00:48:22Way before Europeans migrated to this continent.

00:48:26And not only that, they had Bigfoot, of course, and they have UFOs.

00:48:33You know, star travelers, whatever you want to call them.

00:48:36Sky gods.

00:48:37Right.

00:48:38So it's not anything new.

00:48:40This has been going on since 1896.

00:48:43That we know about.

00:48:44Yeah, exactly.

00:48:45But the Native Americans have it before that.

00:48:47So a common denominator with the blood, it's always the blood.

00:48:51Blood's missing first.

00:48:52And then depending on the cuts.

00:48:55And when I first started looking at the animals, I was looking at the cuts.

00:48:59I'm like, why here?

00:49:00Why here?

00:49:01Why here?

00:49:02Why here?

00:49:03Why here?

00:49:04Why here?

00:49:05And I started some looking at anatomy.

00:49:06And I'm talking to the doctors, the vets over at Colorado Veterinary Lab.

00:49:13And it turns out that most of the places where the cuts were, there were glands.

00:49:20So...

00:49:21Why is that?

00:49:22Why were they taking areas of the cow where they were glands?

00:49:27But in other cases, it's not.

00:49:31They're just like random areas where there's really nothing there.

00:49:34Right.

00:49:35Then you have other cases where there are holes where organs were removed.

00:49:40Obvious.

00:49:41Okay.

00:49:42So that's obvious.

00:49:43So...

00:49:44The whole premise of an animal mutilation.

00:49:47I think the difference between the animal mutilation and a cow that dies of natural causes

00:49:52is the animal is taken from location A.

00:49:55We'll be grazing over here.

00:49:56It's taken to location B somewhere.

00:49:59And it's mutilated, killed, drained of blood, and then cut up.

00:50:03Then it's taken to location C, which is close to location A.

00:50:07So what I do is I'll take an EMF meter and I'll take my camera and I'll do a spiral.

00:50:12So where the animal is, I spiral out.

00:50:15Wow.

00:50:16Okay.

00:50:17As much as I can looking for any evidence that may be there.

00:50:20Right?

00:50:21And one investigation comes spiraling out and we find footprints.

00:50:26So here's a fence and you see the animal tracks come and they stop.

00:50:31Luckily it had rained the night before.

00:50:34So it was muddy.

00:50:35So you know.

00:50:36Right.

00:50:37Okay.

00:50:38And it was next to the fence so there wasn't grass growing next to the fence.

00:50:40So that's the point where he's abducted?

00:50:41He's just stopped.

00:50:42Okay.

00:50:43And 50, 55 yards later there's the body.

00:50:45Okay.

00:50:46This was the first time I found where the animal was taken.

00:50:49So let me stop you there.

00:50:50You know.

00:50:51I mean that's really hardcore evidence that the animal, unless somebody's got, you know,

00:50:57fake things and doing this and that's not the case.

00:50:59The animal's going to the fence.

00:51:01The tracks stop.

00:51:02The tracks just stop.

00:51:03And there's no turnaround.

00:51:04There's no turnaround.

00:51:05So obviously, well not obviously with the cow.

00:51:07And the only way they could get out of that would they would have to go backwards and step

00:51:10right out of each one.

00:51:11And that's not going to happen.

00:51:12No.

00:51:13So he's taken.

00:51:14The cow was taken.

00:51:15The cow was taken there.

00:51:16Heads up over here.

00:51:17Manuel Sanchez has been hit multiple times.

00:51:19He moves his cows over to his pasture over here.

00:51:22There's a fence here.

00:51:23There's a fence there.

00:51:24There's a pasture here.

00:51:25A pasture here.

00:51:26Other guy's cows is here and here.

00:51:29Cows everywhere.

00:51:30But they hit Manuel Sanchez.

00:51:33And they do hit the same cows or the people who are, it's like they target the rancher,

00:51:41but they target their cows.

00:51:43Because there's absolutely no movement in the dirt or mud of the legs or the head.

00:51:49Wow.

00:51:50There's no struggling.

00:51:51Never, ever, ever.

00:51:52Okay.

00:51:53Mike Durant's case was great because it was sitting on, there's a purgatory river right

00:51:58there and it was laying on a muddy bed.

00:52:00So any type of anything.

00:52:01Next to the water and it was laying in the mud.

00:52:03No tracks.

00:52:04Nothing.

00:52:05Wow.

00:52:06Okay.

00:52:07So no tracks and no movement.

00:52:09So that's paranormal number two.

00:52:13Okay.

00:52:14And then three is depending on the new cases, the animal is impacted in the ground.

00:52:23Sometimes a little bit, you know, sometimes so hard, you'll see the dirt cup up.

00:52:30Wow.

00:52:31As if you take your fist on a sandy beach and you hit it in the sand and you see a traitor

00:52:36effect.

00:52:37Sure.

00:52:38Good analogy.

00:52:39Okay.

00:52:40And then you'll see some cases broken bones.

00:52:42Okay.

00:52:43So from the impact.

00:52:45So.

00:52:46Dislocated rib cage.

00:52:47I know where you're going with this, but.

00:52:49You may not.

00:52:50Okay.

00:52:51Give me the punchline.

00:52:52Punchline is, is, and this sets me aside from other animal mutilation investigators.

00:52:59Okay.

00:53:00That's why I don't go down their path.

00:53:02Right.

00:53:03Because you learn stuff.

00:53:04So, A, it is not dropped.

00:53:07Done.

00:53:08I don't care what people say about that.

00:53:10I've got enough evidence to prove it was, that they're not dropped.

00:53:13Wow.

00:53:14They are placed.

00:53:15Why the broken bones?

00:53:17Why, why the compression?

00:53:18There you go.

00:53:19Now, I couldn't understand why.

00:53:21Right.

00:53:22Why are the bones broken?

00:53:23Why are the ribcage is dislocated from the backbone?

00:53:26Why is the leg broken?

00:53:28So it looks like it's been dropped.

00:53:30It looks like it's been dropped.

00:53:33Okay.

00:53:34So I'm, I'm getting a little better now.

00:53:36I'm doing my investigations.

00:53:37I'm looking, you know, a little area.

00:53:40And I finally decided, you know, I gotta, I gotta, you know, this was before I bought

00:53:44my drone.

00:53:45I gotta, I gotta get a little more of an aerial view to see what's going on.

00:53:50So I pulled my truck back and I hop on top of the back of my truck.

00:53:53I've kind of looked down and I went, I didn't see that.

00:53:57The animals laying in a ground depression about 16 to 22 feet in diameter.

00:54:02Now it's happened a few times, not all the time.

00:54:04Say that one more time.

00:54:05It's like a crop circle.

00:54:06Okay.

00:54:07But it's a ground depression where, because you gotta remember that a lot of these fields,

00:54:11they're not high grass.

00:54:12They're really low.

00:54:13So it's really hard to see when you're walking.

00:54:15You get an aerial view.

00:54:16That's why you're, I just want to make this really clear.

00:54:18Cause I, I'm sensing where you're going with this.

00:54:20So you're in the back of your truck, but you're above the site.

00:54:23Right.

00:54:24And now you're seeing something from a vantage point.

00:54:27Right.

00:54:28That you've never seen before.

00:54:29Right.

00:54:30Say that again, please.

00:54:31What are you looking at?

00:54:32So I'm seeing this circle on the ground.

00:54:35And how big is the circle?

00:54:37Depending on the animal, I've measured them from 16 feet to 22 feet.

00:54:41Okay.

00:54:42All right.

00:54:43Not perfectly round because it's not like a crop circle.

00:54:46Right.

00:54:47Kind of is a crop circle, but it's not as precise as a crop circle.

00:54:50You know, like you would see in the UK.

00:54:52Sure.

00:54:53But it's just a round, ground depression.

00:54:55And it's funny because I get goosebumps just talking about it.

00:54:58I do goosebumps too.

00:54:59I know, me too.

00:55:00Right.

00:55:01And then, so this was an aha moment.

00:55:03So I take a soil sample from inside, not next to the animal, inside the ground depression.

00:55:07And then I take a soil sample outside.

00:55:09Here we go.

00:55:10You know, way outside.

00:55:12Look, I just want a nutrient analysis from soil A and soil B.

00:55:18That's all.

00:55:19And that's all they needed to know.

00:55:21Well, I bring, it comes back, indications of CECs or the solubility of the soil is different.

00:55:30Of course it is.

00:55:31Near the animal.

00:55:32Than outside the animal.

00:55:33I'm going, okay, I have an electronics background.

00:55:36What causes soil to lose solubility?

00:55:40Oh, high current.

00:55:41Good.

00:55:42Okay.

00:55:43I got to introduce an EMF.

00:55:45Microwave?

00:55:46Well, anything.

00:55:47Yeah.

00:55:48Well, electromagnetic field is microwave.

00:55:49Right.

00:55:50Okay.

00:55:51So, I'm going, okay, there was an energy source used here.

00:55:55It's got to be.

00:55:56So, I am really pounding on an EMF meter now.

00:56:02Using EMF meters near the animal.

00:56:05My next ones.

00:56:06Okay.

00:56:07Because I'm learning.

00:56:08Right.

00:56:09So, and I'm saying, okay, I'll definitely have a soil difference.

00:56:13Okay.

00:56:14Well, the soil difference has happened not only in Colorado a couple of times, but we had

00:56:18a case in Kansas City, Missouri, and I had that investigator take soil samples.

00:56:23We had a case in Georgia and had that brancher, bless their soul.

00:56:28Just, I taught them how to do it.

00:56:30What happened after I did soil samples, I figured, I called back to this lab.

00:56:34I said, you've got to teach me how to do this properly.

00:56:37Right.

00:56:38And they said, this is exactly, it sent me information exactly what you do to make sure

00:56:42you get the best sample that matches what you're doing.

00:56:45Right.

00:56:46Okay, great.

00:56:47And three different states, three different soil samples, the same results.

00:56:51The CEC's occasions are different.

00:56:53So, what do you think this is?

00:56:54It's an energy source.

00:56:55Okay.

00:56:56That's placing the animal.

00:56:57So, in other words, let me just.

00:57:00And, before you go there.

00:57:03Okay.

00:57:04And then, about a year or so later after that case, I had a case where the side of the

00:57:10animal was completely cut, like you normally see.

00:57:14Right.

00:57:15You know, the skin's gone, you can see the skeleton there.

00:57:18Right.

00:57:19And I'm getting twice the Earth's magnetic field coming from a cow head.

00:57:22Yeah, that shouldn't be there.

00:57:23I should get eight microtestuses, I'm getting over a hundred.

00:57:26I'm looking around for a picture that might illustrate it.

00:57:29Fire in the sky is kind of close to it.

00:57:32And we've seen, you know, there's lots of cartoons on the internet where there's a beam

00:57:36of light and then there's the cow with a beam of light.

00:57:38Absolutely.

00:57:39Is that what we're looking at here?

00:57:40Yeah.

00:57:41Something like that.

00:57:42Well, it's, I mean, everything's light.

00:57:43We just can't see it.

00:57:44UV, IR.

00:57:45Right.

00:57:46So, the cow, in the same way that people are abducted.

00:57:50Now, not all of them are abducted this way.

00:57:52You know, taken through the window, we talked about this in our film on abductions.

00:57:56They go through the ceiling, they go through the wall, they go through the window.

00:57:59They'll find themselves, many of the abductees, immersed in some sort of a beam of light as

00:58:04they're taken aboard the ship and usually that's when they're switched off or even before that.

00:58:08Al Matthews in our film talks about his car was taken, the entire car was taken.

00:58:17Yeah.

00:58:18And so, he wakes up in the car shaking violently, I mean vibrating, his whole body is vibrating

00:58:25in this beam of white light, just the most brilliant light you've ever seen, being lowered

00:58:31down onto the road.

00:58:32The car hits the road and it drives itself for a period of time before Al is aware enough

00:58:40to grab the wheel and he's like 200 miles away from his point of origin.

00:58:44I had a couple out here in Colorado Springs years ago that were taken in their truck,

00:58:47the whole truck.

00:58:48Whole truck up.

00:58:49Topanga Canyon in Los Angeles, same thing.

00:58:52Car was just taken right up.

00:58:53I don't do abduction cases anymore, I'll tell you why later.

00:58:56Besides being scary, number one.

00:58:59And number two, you get noticed.

00:59:03Some type of force that places the animal.

00:59:06Here's the interesting part.

00:59:08Now this is, this is kind of a theory of mine, but it's more of a fact now based,

00:59:15what I actually, it's not really a theory with me now, it's like this is what I'm seeing,

00:59:19this is like evidence.

00:59:21You know, I'm trying to be very analytical about this and this is the evidence I'm seeing.

00:59:25I'm seeing some type of electromagnetic force around this animal.

00:59:29It impacted the ground.

00:59:30Okay.

00:59:31Sometimes it's still on the animal before it dissipates.

00:59:34But depending on the force, you know, how much current you give it, you know, 110, 220, whatever,

00:59:41will depend on the animal's impact on the ground.

00:59:45Wow.

00:59:46So if the animal is placed back on the ground hard, then you're going to get broken bones.

00:59:53And you'll get that, that, that, you know, meteorite impact effect.

00:59:57Right.

00:59:58If it's not, then it's just kind of land.

01:00:00And you've seen both.

01:00:01I've seen both.

01:00:02Let me.

01:00:03So I've been able to do enough of these where I can, now I can compare.

01:00:05When you do onesies and twosies, you can't.

01:00:07Right.

01:00:08Right.

01:00:09Yeah.

01:00:10How many animals have you actually looked at, would you say, in your career?

01:00:13I don't know.

01:00:14Not that many, 50, 50, 60.

01:00:16Yeah, but that's still, that's, I mean, you're on the entire planet of 8 billion people.

01:00:20Yeah.

01:00:21I mean.

01:00:22You're the only guy that's looked at 50 of them.

01:00:24I mean, we've had over.

01:00:25Or more.

01:00:26I mean, let's say, I think, I don't know if it was George Knapp, you know, said, you

01:00:29know, we've had over 10,000 cases.

01:00:31Yeah.

01:00:32Animal mutilations.

01:00:33And every, every mutilation case that law enforcement was involved with, they've never

01:00:37found.

01:00:38Nothing.

01:00:39Nothing.

01:00:40There's no perpetrator.

01:00:41There's no, it's not a satanic cult.

01:00:42Human beings are not involved.

01:00:43It's not a predator.

01:00:44We know that.

01:00:45There was two mutilated horses here in Colorado in our county that I ran it on.

01:00:51And, and they were definitely, it was a mutilation case.

01:00:55And Glenda who saw, she actually, they saw lights and then we'll go into the helicopters

01:01:03later.

01:01:04But there was a helicopter showing up afterwards, unmarked, where it was a gunship that was hovering

01:01:10over the area.

01:01:11Good grief.

01:01:12Where the horses, or it was two horses that were mutilated.

01:01:14Another horse had experienced it, had marks on the inside of its legs and all four of its

01:01:20legs and a mark on its nose.

01:01:22And their dog had experienced it and it had marks on the inside and it had a mark on its

01:01:26nose too.

01:01:27It experienced it.

01:01:28The dog had to go to the vet because it had thyroid issues.

01:01:30Wow.

01:01:31Radiation?

01:01:32I don't know.

01:01:33Wow.

01:01:34After that, the other horse would not go out and past her anymore.

01:01:37It was done.

01:01:38It stayed inside the crowd.

01:01:39She had one year one.

01:01:40Terrifying?

01:01:41She had to sell it because it didn't want to be there anymore.

01:01:46So, let me ask you this, and it's going to take me a while to set up the question.

01:01:50So, with the abduction phenomenon, and for my POV and my research, I'm always looking for,

01:01:58you know, is there a convergence?

01:02:00Is there some sort of a universality to all this phenomena which sorts, goes back to one

01:02:07source?

01:02:08In my opinion, there is.

01:02:09But that's just my, you know, my toolbox, my world view.

01:02:12But we've got the abduction phenomenon.

01:02:14We know that people are being taken.

01:02:15There's no doubt about that.

01:02:17We know that sperm is taken from the men over from the women.

01:02:21We know that the women are impregnated.

01:02:22We've got it on film, on camera.

01:02:25Karen was abducted numerous times, and she was impregnated by them three different times.

01:02:31And in classic, in the third month of pregnancy, she's re-abducted.

01:02:34The baby is taken.

01:02:36Twenty years later, now she's remarried.

01:02:39The abductions have stopped.

01:02:41She has her own children.

01:02:42And she sees these three entities appear in her bedroom, and she thinks they're her boys.

01:02:48But, you know, it's late at night.

01:02:51It's two in the morning, and she's just waking up out of her sleep.

01:02:54Husband's completely switched off.

01:02:55Classic.

01:02:56And she looks over.

01:02:57This is all in the film, by the way.

01:02:59She looks over, and she realizes, no, these aren't my boys from my husband who's sleeping

01:03:04next to me.

01:03:05This is from them.

01:03:07And they were short and stocky, and they looked at her.

01:03:10The eyes were big, black.

01:03:11They looked at her with absolute hate.

01:03:14Hate?

01:03:15Hate.

01:03:16Oh, no.

01:03:17Yeah, on camera, she starts to cheer up.

01:03:20Because she realizes that, she says this on camera, this is her testimony, that she was

01:03:25hoping that there would be something good in the wall.

01:03:28Connection, yeah.

01:03:29But there wasn't.

01:03:30Oh, that's sad.

01:03:31And she picked up on that.

01:03:32Woke up in the middle of the night, two or three in the morning, and there's three children

01:03:39standing by my bed.

01:03:42And at first, I wake up, I see them, and the first thing I thought is, oh, my kids are,

01:03:50what's the matter?

01:03:51My kids are here by the bed.

01:03:52I have four children.

01:03:54And they looked like my boys.

01:03:59And I said, one of my boys' names, what are you doing?

01:04:04And then, as you know, when you first wake up, you don't see very clear, plus they were

01:04:08contacts, and so it takes a while for my eyes to focus.

01:04:10And then I realized, wait, these aren't my boys.

01:04:12They're too short.

01:04:13My boys are taller than this.

01:04:14They're not as tall as my boys.

01:04:16And they started trying to pull me off the bed.

01:04:19But not physically with hands, but I felt them pulling me.

01:04:23And I'm like, no, no, in Jesus' name, no, I am not going.

01:04:29And they're pulling, and I'm pulling back.

01:04:31And I'm like, no, not this time.

01:04:33No.

01:04:34And I'm like, and it resists.

01:04:37It breaks the pull.

01:04:39And as soon as that pull, and I'm paralyzed at this point, I've had, oh, my gosh, I've had

01:04:45so many times where I've had that sleep paralysis.

01:04:48Same thing.

01:04:49I was having that sleep paralysis.

01:04:50I break out of that, and I hit my husband.

01:04:53I'm like, why aren't you helping me?

01:04:56You know?

01:04:57I'm like, why didn't you help me?

01:04:59He wakes up.

01:05:00He's like, what?

01:05:01I'm like, didn't you see them?

01:05:02Why didn't you help me?

01:05:03So he's completely off.

01:05:05Completely out.

01:05:06Is this your same husband that you were married to?

01:05:08Yes.

01:05:09When you were 18?

01:05:10Oh, no, no, no.

01:05:11This is a different husband.

01:05:12This is the one you've met.

01:05:13Right.

01:05:14Yes.

01:05:15So let me ask you something.

01:05:17The three children that were standing there next to the bed, what did they look like?

01:05:21Did they look human or not human?

01:05:23No.

01:05:24There were some features that reminded me of my kids.

01:05:28Like one of my kids is in boot camp, and they'll put pictures out with like 100 kids,

01:05:33and I could find him every time.

01:05:35Do you know what I mean?

01:05:36You just, it's like the Where's Waldo, but you're really good at it.

01:05:39And there were features that I recognized.

01:05:42And that's why immediately I just knew.

01:05:44I was like, and immediately I thought it was them, because that's kind of where your mind

01:05:47first goes.

01:05:48And then I realized, nope, their faces were too big or too fat, too round.

01:05:54They weren't, they were too short.

01:05:57They were too, they were, I've often, after that I kind of looked into this a little bit,

01:06:03because I was curious and I've heard people talk about them being skinny or whatever.

01:06:07No, they seemed really stocky to me.

01:06:09Stocky.

01:06:10But shorter than you?

01:06:11Shorter than my kids.

01:06:12Mm-hmm.

01:06:13How tall were they?

01:06:14Maybe four, four and a half feet.

01:06:17Did you look at the eyes at all?

01:06:19I did, it was dark.

01:06:22Their eyes seemed to be almost glowy, but not glowy.

01:06:26That's probably the wrong, they were dark and intense.

01:06:31Larger than normal human beings?

01:06:33Oh yeah, very much so.

01:06:35Without putting words in your mouth, is it safe to say that there was perhaps an alien

01:06:41component to the children that were there?

01:06:44Oh, for sure.

01:06:45And what bothered me about it, and I really had to pray on this for a while.

01:06:50Because at first, and I don't like that I felt this way, I wanted them to come back.

01:06:58Because I thought, they're half me.

01:07:00That means there must be some God in them.

01:07:03And maybe they just need love, and maybe I can find a way.

01:07:07Because they're alive.

01:07:10And I prayed, and I prayed on it, and I knew that there was nothing in there.

01:07:14There was no soul.

01:07:16And I think what they're trying to, I think, you know, I think they're trying to manufacture souls.

01:07:21I think they're trying to figure out how to get a soul.

01:07:23They didn't have, they didn't have that.

01:07:26There was no compassion in their eyes.

01:07:28And when you look at people, you see even some of the most damaged people in this world.

01:07:32You look at them, you can still see some kind of person, some kind of love, some kind of compassion,

01:07:37maybe just feeling in there.

01:07:39It was cold.

01:07:41It was just so cold.

01:07:43And I realized there was nothing there for me to save.

01:07:48And the best thing I could do was just pray and pray and pray in a way that they never came back.

01:07:55And I don't want anything to do with them.

01:07:57If you impregnate a woman, and you take that baby in the third month of pregnancy,

01:08:04you've got to take it somewhere to have that child grow in an artificial womb.

01:08:10Incidentally, just recently, in the last month, now they're talking about, you know, human egg shops, for lack of a better word.

01:08:17Right, right.

01:08:18Growing human beings.

01:08:19Oh, that was Dulce based New Mexico.

01:08:20Here we go.

01:08:21Yeah, that's, you know, the whole horrors and all that stuff.

01:08:23Right.

01:08:24But is it possible, and this is what I believe, and I want to get your thoughts on this,

01:08:29is it possible that because bovine blood and human blood can be used in transfusions,

01:08:35and that's a medical fact, and all this genetic material,

01:08:40is it possible that this material, genetic material, and the blood is used to create an artificial womb

01:08:47where the abducted female's fetus is?

01:08:51Absolutely.

01:08:52Absolutely.

01:08:53And I can say absolutely, and anybody that's watching this that disagrees, just Google this.

01:09:00It's easy, okay?

01:09:01So when in vitro fertilization first started, the medical industry, they were looking at bovine hemoglobin to use.

01:09:09And then the medical industry...

01:09:10And that's a medical fact.

01:09:11That's a medical fact.

01:09:12Anybody can look at this.

01:09:13Anybody can look at it.

01:09:14All right.

01:09:15All right.

01:09:16So the medical industry said, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute.

01:09:19We don't want you to make humans from cows.

01:09:23Decades ago, we were using bovine hemoglobin for virtual fertilization, and that's with the technology we had decades ago.

01:09:31Yeah.

01:09:32So if someone out there has got this advanced technology so far above us, who knows what they're using it for.

01:09:39And I strongly believe from the very beginning, I've always thought, because of that, that possibly someone is making hybrids.

01:09:49And there was these stories of these vats, you know.

01:09:53I've heard this before.

01:09:54Of blood.

01:09:55Yeah.

01:09:56And Dulcy.

01:09:57Yeah.

01:09:58And that really intrigued me because that was like, okay, I'm hearing stories about blood, you know, and, I don't know, aliens floating in there.

01:10:07I mean, you know, they don't have the digestive, so they kind of like it's, you know, it's absorbed in your skin.

01:10:12Absorbed, yeah.

01:10:13And then I'm seeing, you know, every one of my animal mutilation cases, not only that.

01:10:18I say animal mutilation, not cattle.

01:10:20Animal mutilation cases, every one of those cases, no matter what species of animal.

01:10:25You know, it's always drained of blood.

01:10:28Now, the one thing that I'm trying to understand beyond that is, is I was very comfortable with bovine hemoglobin being used for something.

01:10:39But now you have horse hemoglobin, you have dog hemoglobin, you have goats, pigs, and these are some of the cases that I've worked on.

01:10:48And it's kind of the same, it's kind of different, but yet they're all mammals.

01:10:53Yeah.

01:10:54So, sort of put a bow on this thing, kind of wrap it up.

01:10:57And I'll circle back to my long question again.

01:11:01Whoever is doing this, they do it with impunity.

01:11:04No one is stopping them.

01:11:05You know, you talked about the black helicopter, the gunship, whatever.

01:11:09They're, you know, way after the fact usually.

01:11:12Hmm.

01:11:13You know, it's already happened.

01:11:14Ranchers talk about seeing lights, stuff happening.

01:11:18The cows, you know, are kind of nervous.

01:11:21They pick up on that.

01:11:22But, and all of a sudden, the next morning they come out and the cow has been mutilated.

01:11:25So, they, whoever's doing it, they do it with impunity.

01:11:28They stick it right back in your face.

01:11:30Now, we've talked about this not on camera.

01:11:32In my opinion, it's like, they're basically going, we just, we just took your steer.

01:11:37You know, if we were benevolent, we would just, you know, drop it over here in a lake.

01:11:41So, you never find it again.

01:11:42You wouldn't even miss it.

01:11:43You wouldn't be afraid and blah.

01:11:45No.

01:11:46It's like riding your pasture and it's basically saying, we can do whatever we want to do.

01:11:50You can't stop us.

01:11:52They take the blood.

01:11:53They take the sex organs.

01:11:54They take excise, you know, jaw material, eye material, tongues, all this.

01:11:59And I think it's part to create this artificial womb for the hybrids.

01:12:03Yeah.

01:12:04I think that's what they're doing.

01:12:05And, and if you dwell further into ufology, there's a pecking order of greys.

01:12:12Yeah, there is.

01:12:13The short greys.

01:12:14The short greys.

01:12:15Yeah.

01:12:16The short greys are more or less your worker ants.

01:12:17Yeah.

01:12:18The worker bees.

01:12:19And they're very automaton-like.

01:12:20Now, let me throw this to you.

01:12:21I think they're, I think they're avatars.

01:12:22Okay.

01:12:23And that could be.

01:12:24Yeah.

01:12:25Let me ask you something.

01:12:28Do you think the phenomena is benevolent or malevolent?

01:12:33Or, or, or don't, or you're still, you know, weighing things in the balance?

01:12:38I can tell you this, LA.

01:12:40I take a gun with me every one of my investigations.

01:12:43Oh, I would too.

01:12:44Every time.

01:12:45I'll have a .40 cal or a .45 on my hip.

01:12:48If I'm out there interviewing a witness, I usually have one.

01:12:52I have a concealed carry.

01:12:54And I'm also known as being a former deputy, so I have to protect myself anyway.

01:12:59Yeah.

01:13:00I've seen some things where humans were mutilated.

01:13:05Yeah.

01:13:06I, there's a case in Canada that didn't go very far because it only went internally with

01:13:12investigators.

01:13:13One in Pennsylvania, the same thing.

01:13:15But would you ever, because when a human dies, it's a homicide.

01:13:20Yeah.

01:13:21And then if, and they may lock it up.

01:13:23The, the judge may lock the case so you can't see the files because it's an ongoing case.

01:13:30And, and, and as it should be.

01:13:32Because you have.

01:13:33And that seems very disturbing.

01:13:34Yeah.

01:13:35I mean, it's one thing if you're talking to a rancher that loses an animal.

01:13:38Now it's a big deal though, because, because every animal that a rancher loses, they lose

01:13:43thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars.

01:13:45Exactly.

01:13:46Because it's called the multiplier effect.

01:13:47Right.

01:13:48An animal cannot calve anymore.

01:13:49That means their calves can't calve.

01:13:50That means those calves calves can't calve.

01:13:52Calve, calve, calve, calve, calve, calve, calve, calve, calve, calve, calve, calve,

01:13:54blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:13:55They lose it.

01:13:56So it's thousands, thousands and thousands of dollars down the road.

01:13:59When you lose a human, or a, okay, horse first and then a human.

01:14:05Horses are more like pets.

01:14:06You know, dogs are pets, but a human.

01:14:08You know, you use a relative, that's a different story.

01:14:11Now it's a homicide.

01:14:13And so you have to treat that differently.

01:14:17To make a case, like I said, there was a case in Canada that, and then you said, I think

01:14:23you said Pennsylvania.

01:14:24Yeah, Pennsylvania.

01:14:25Yeah.

01:14:26Um, so I was able to talk to the investigator in Canada, a little different out there.

01:14:30Um, you know, it was just, uh, one of the Mounties was driving on the side of the road,

01:14:34and there was an abandoned car, or just parked off the side of the road.

01:14:37And there was a lady slumped over the street, well, fully closed, you know.

01:14:41He goes, you okay, lady?

01:14:42You okay?

01:14:43And no response, correct?

01:14:44No response, right?

01:14:45I went, oh, man.

01:14:46Then they called the coroner.

01:14:47Whatever their version of the coroner is in Canada.

01:14:50Uh, they figured, well, you know, she had a heart attack or whatever, or, or overdose.

01:14:54You never know, right?

01:14:55And they get in the coroner, opens up, they're closed, and it's, it's the same thing.

01:15:01That she was, you know, it was a mutilation.

01:15:04Wow.

01:15:05And then clothes were put back on, and placed back in the car.

01:15:07Unbelievable.

01:15:08And after I heard that, I'm like, all right, you know, I don't like these guys.

01:15:28Before I get into the rap here, I just want to tell you something.

01:15:31This is the darkest film I have ever worked on, and I've worked on over 25 films.

01:15:37I would come into my studio, go into my edit area, and begin to edit the film.

01:15:42And after about an hour, I had to get out of here.

01:15:45Go out into the sunshine, think about anything else but what I was dealing with.

01:15:49It took longer than I thought to edit this film.

01:15:52It's dark.

01:15:53And in my opinion, we are looking at Hell's Kitchen.

01:15:56We are in Hell's Kitchen.

01:15:58Because something is being cooked up here that is unprecedented.

01:16:02And yet it continues year after year after year.

01:16:06Remember when we sat down with Chuck Zukowski.

01:16:08Chuck believes, as I do, that this is animal cruelty.

01:16:12Tom Miller, when I asked him, Rancher Tom Miller, I said, Tom, on a scale of one to ten,

01:16:18where's the fear factor here?

01:16:20He thought about it, and he said, about an eight.

01:16:23That's a lot of fear.

01:16:25When I sat down with Judy, she was adamant about wanting to know who's doing this and why.

01:16:30Folks, cattle mutilations continue year after year after year.

01:16:35Thousands, thousands of cattle have been mutilated.

01:16:39The FBI has investigated as well as local authorities.

01:16:42No one has ever brought anyone to justice.

01:16:45This is not the work of some satanic cult.

01:16:48No.

01:16:49It's Hell's Kitchen itself.

01:16:50And what we are doing in this film is to show you what is actually happening.

01:16:56That this breeding program that we talked about in number four, the blood and the material from the cows, in my opinion, is used to create an artificial womb.

01:17:07To some of you, that might sound really out there, but folks, I really believe that that's what they're doing.

01:17:14People on board ships, experiencers, have seen the hybrid babies being grown in these clear glass-like containers.

01:17:24As we stated in the film, bovine blood and human blood are interchangeable.

01:17:31What are we to think of that?

01:17:33I will leave you with this.

01:17:35There's the kingdom of faith and there's the kingdom of fear.

01:17:39The kingdom of Jesus is one of faith and peace and love.

01:17:44The kingdom of darkness, the one of fear.

01:17:46Always fear.

01:17:47Fear is the devil's calling card.

01:17:50And some of you will scoff at that.

01:17:51Some of you will laugh at that.

01:17:53Here's what I want to get into.

01:17:55If these were benevolent space brothers, surely they know what they're doing.

01:18:00Why wouldn't they just take the mutilated cow and move it to some other area?

01:18:05So the rancher wouldn't ever really know, never see what's happening.

01:18:08They don't do that.

01:18:09They bring the cow back into the same area.

01:18:12And as Chuck said, Chuck Zukowski said, they place it there.

01:18:16It's not dropped, they place it.

01:18:18Which is why Chuck has seen the circle from the craft coming down and placing the animal there.

01:18:23Let's walk through this.

01:18:25The rancher comes out, he sees the cow.

01:18:27What does that produce in him?

01:18:29Does it produce a feeling of happiness?

01:18:31Of course not.

01:18:32It produces a feeling of fear.

01:18:34He gets his wife and his kids.

01:18:36They come out.

01:18:37They become fearful.

01:18:38The veterinarian comes out.

01:18:40He looks at it.

01:18:41More fear.

01:18:42Local law enforcement come out.

01:18:44They look at it.

01:18:45There's no explanation.

01:18:46They don't understand what's going on.

01:18:48More fear.

01:18:49Finally, a local newspaper guy comes out.

01:18:51He covers the story.

01:18:53Thousands of people pick up that local paper and read it.

01:18:56Fear, fear, and more fear.

01:18:59It's an ever-expanding circle.

01:19:02I want to circle back to Tom Miller because you could see that after 16 mutilations,

01:19:08he really had had it up to here with the whole phenomena.

01:19:11He has no answer, no explanation.

01:19:14And when I asked him point blank, is this a good thing?

01:19:16He said, oh, absolutely not.

01:19:18Absolutely not.

01:19:19If these were benevolent space brothers, then there's other ways of going about this

01:19:25than what they are doing.

01:19:27These entities move in fear.

01:19:30Fear is your calling card.

01:19:31And I truly believe that the material taken from these cattle mutilations is used in the

01:19:38breeding programs.

01:19:39There is a supernatural world, and it does surround us.

01:19:43And it's manifesting now.

01:19:45I believe, with all my heart, that what we are looking at is the calling card of darkness.

01:19:51There's nothing good about this, about the cattle mutilations.

01:19:55There's no happy moment here.

01:19:57It's dark, it's gruesome, and it's a peek into Hell's Kitchen.

01:20:02Thanks so much for watching.

01:20:05Thanks so much for watching.

01:20:06Thanks, guys.

01:20:09Let me see you soon.

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