00:00It shows that the vetting process wasn't good enough, and that's one of the things we need to look at.
00:03But it is a long-established vetting process that long precedes this government coming into power.
00:08But clearly, it failed on this occasion.
00:11Information that should have been made available to the Prime Minister was not.
00:15And so he took a decision without knowing that Maddelson was lying.
00:19As soon as he found out, he sacked him.
00:21Now, we can't legislate against liars lying.
00:24What you can judge somebody by is what do they do when the liar is exposed?
00:28And Keir Starmer could not have acted more quickly or more decisively.
00:33He phoned him up at 5 a.m. and sacked him on the spot.
00:36But the fact of the matter, and you keep avoiding this point, you keep invoking hindsight.
00:41I haven't avoided anything you've asked me, Richard.
00:43Can I finish my question? Not a single question.
00:44Can I finish my question, sir?
00:46Well, you're making up lies about me avoiding your questions.
00:49I'm answering every single one.
00:50I'm not making up lies, and I think anybody watching this interview will observe that you have used the excuse of hindsight
00:57to defend the Prime Minister.
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