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02:29And it looks like the current value is someplace between two and three billion dollars a year just for the United States.
02:39How much coal, how much petroleum, how much do we have to consume to generate three billion dollars worth of electricity?
02:49It's a stunning amount of resources we're using to do something that is totally unnecessary and detrimental.
02:59Most people now in North America have never seen the Milky Way. That's tragic. But it's a brave new world. I'm not happy with it, but it's the one we've got.
03:29My name is Dr. Danielle Pahud. I am an instructor in the Department of Physics and Astronomy.
03:36We are situated and we'll be learning about the stars today on the homeland of the Anishinaabe, Cree, Oji Cree, Dakota and Dene people.
03:44And we live under the same skies that they've lived under for thousands of years.
03:49All right. So we're back in Winnipeg. These bubbles of light are light pollution that we can see from the distance.
04:00And so if you were to drive south of Winnipeg and look north, so much of that sky would have this yellowish greenish hue. It wouldn't be quite as dark.
04:12Light pollution and mobilizing against it is something that I'm seeing more and more.
04:17And so there are pushes for dark sky preserves, which are regions kind of like our national parks that are protected so that people can still access the night sky.
04:26And so it's ensuring that we'll have access to this wild and free thing, which is our night sky.
04:33The dark sky preserve is an ecological designation, which allows us to be able to bring nature back to its natural forms.
04:41So the animals, the nocturnal animals can live their life. And it allows us all to experience some of those things that we don't see.
04:50That people come out of our city here and they go out to the country and they had absolutely no idea that there is that many stars in the heavens.
04:59We are in conversations with Nature Conservancy of Canada and there is an area just south of the city that they are interested in making into a dark sky preserve.
05:26So this is the area that's all part of that dark sky preserve. It's way bigger than we first thought.
05:33You can start seeing is there's potential for an awful lot of places that could have light sources.
05:39These are all either chicken barns or hog barns or whatever in the area. And because of the light domes that are possible there, they want those documented now to see if that's going to remain constant over time.
05:58Nature Conservancy, essentially their mission is to turn land into its natural state.
06:04They're trying to preserve things, not for the humans. They're trying to essentially keep things preserved for the animals and the flora and fauna that you find in their properties.
06:17Astronomers want dark skies. So we're a match made in heaven. And this could take a few more months yet to come to completion.
06:26We have to make another trip out there to take a new set of photographs. But everybody in that surrounding area is behind us. They're all interested in making it a dark sky preserve. So we don't see any challenges in this one.
06:41OK, so here's the region that we're going to be in and documenting all of this here.
06:47We're on the edge of where the light pollution starts. And so to find dark skies, you have to go quite a distance from Winnipeg.
06:55This would be Steinbeck. Here's Marchand. St. Mallow. All these towns are just at the very edge of the large light dome that is Winnipeg.
07:06So our first stop will be north of that. That's right. But is this a dirt road? This should be a gravel road. This should be all right.
07:15Because if it rained today. Yeah, it could get ugly.
07:19What's happening right now is we're taking photographs and measuring the darkness of the sky at that area right now.
07:26Yeah, this is the wide open stuff I saw in the satellite view.
07:39Look at that sunlight over there.
07:43Yeah.
07:44Wow.
07:45So we're going to start shooting. Shoot towards the west.
08:02It's called a sky quality meter. Just like any other light meter, it has an input point to it. And what you do is you just point it so that no other light source is in the way.
08:18Push the button and it will read your sky conditions.
08:22Okay, so Jerry, here's the plan. How about we start shooting towards Vega?
08:27Sylvia's pictures will be able to tell us if there's any light domes close enough that might be affecting this area.
08:35So the more you zoom in, the more you see a little bit of a dash instead of a pinpoint.
08:41And that's because it took 30 seconds for that picture to be created. And in that amount of time, our planet has moved. And so it created a little dash out of that star.
09:002137.
09:02These numbers are quite consistent with the sky that's not been messed with. These are quite good numbers.
09:09We've been waiting for the sun to disappear only to realize that the glow in that direction is really never going to disappear because that's the city of Winnipeg that's an hour away from us traveling.
09:23And that is what this place is going to have to live with from here going forward.
09:29So this is why we're here to document this. We want to make sure that whatever dark sky is here is going to be preserved.
09:36Well, that part of the sky is just lost to this site. Nothing is perfect.
10:06I was a little kid growing up in Argentina and one of my earliest memories is being the small child climbing up onto my bed and in the middle of the night and peering through the blinds out into the sky and looking at stars, looking at the moon and just being fascinated by that whole thing.
10:31See, and this pier is bolted to the cement blocks so that it doesn't shake.
10:41I grew up in Buenos Aires, so the province of Buenos Aires, the city of Florencio Varela.
10:47Back in those days, light pollution wasn't really as rampant. And so I was able to see the stars. And I think that's what really also got my attention because they're just so prominent in the sky.
11:01I think I always love contemplating that those big questions, you know, what are we? Where are we going? What's this universe about? Where does it start? Where does it the infinity?
11:17The infinity? So I remember being wrapped around, you know, how can something begin and end? How can that be, right?
11:24Those questions really is what really attracts me to astronomy because it's the vehicle that really drives me to think about that.
11:32And when we're so busy doing like just regular stuff, going to work and doing the mundane day to day, astronomy is what actually brings me back to those questions.
11:42I'm Natasha Donoghue. I'm a Cree Métis person. I was born in Amiskwichi, Wiskugan, Beaver Hills House or Edmonton.
11:54I'm not a Western scientist. What I'm trying to do is explore what is Indigenous science in academia and how do we make space for that?
12:03I was disconnected from my culture. My family told me that I should pretend not to be Indigenous. They said, I don't look Indigenous.
12:11My life would be easier that way. And that was really confusing. It caused a lot of internalized shame that I didn't understand.
12:20Because of that disconnect, I think I had this void in me. I've always felt very connected to the sky.
12:26And trying to understand that, I think I decided, well, I better become a scientist.
12:32I realized that my connection to the sky, it is spiritual and always has been.
12:42The Seven Sisters, there are stories about that little cluster of stars throughout this entire planet.
12:49The really fascinating part about that is most of them have to do with the number seven, right?
12:55So the number seven and many of them also seven women or something about women.
13:01When you look at that little cluster of stars, you can't, with your naked eye, see seven stars.
13:07The average person can see six. And the reason for that is because we're in this galaxy, the Milky Way, which is not, like, just static.
13:17It's moving, right? All the stars are moving. We're orbiting the supermassive black hole in the center.
13:22Astronomers have been mapping the stars of the Milky Way for decades.
13:27They reverse engineered the motion of the Pleiades. And they found that the last time you could see seven stars with your naked eye was around 100,000 years ago.
13:39So that, coupled with this pattern, right, around the world of oral history, suggests that this story could be one of the oldest surviving in our human species existence.
13:54Oral history isn't static either. Oral history is dynamic. And it's responsive to your environment because it's about survival.
14:04This could be an example of this story moving across the world, right, and changing in response to the environment.
14:11So when we're learning about oral history and comparing our stories and talking, we're not just learning about the physical sky.
14:20We're learning about our ancestors. We're learning about each other, our relationships, how we interact with one another, but also everything in reality.
14:29Like, we are all connected. Everything is connected.
14:33The 2nd century school has been conceived.
14:34Now, it's been retained.
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14:40The theatre in prions
14:51The theatre region must convert easily into the historical cycles of life.
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15:00Hey how are you Sylvia? Good it's looking good tonight. Great night for uh for viewing eh?
15:12A few low clouds out here but that should clear up pretty good depending on how dark it'll get.
15:19I wouldn't mind getting up here a little bit. I've got I've got my big binoculars out so we
15:25can set that up. Did you bring your little scope? I got the little scope yeah. Great.
15:28I want to check it out. Let's set it up. I'm gonna need you to show me. Just in case yours didn't work I thought I'll bring it back up.
15:37Back in the 2000s I was going through some personal stuff in my life and in order to to get through that
15:48very difficult time I started to spend a lot of time in nature and and in fact astronomy became
15:55the the area that I really gravitated to and and I spent a lot of time in the outdoors because astronomy
16:04is done outdoors. In the night I felt a calmness and a peace that came to me by being involved in that
16:12and then of course when I got involved in astronomy and got into the into the telescopes and into the
16:18sky objects and the and the solar system and understanding the the the magnificence of this
16:24whole entire universe like we can't even begin to process it. How do we how do we begin to put that into
16:30into words you can only experience it you can only see it and that's what astronomy does for me it just
16:35grounds me. What I'm learning from astronomy the studies of the heavens I feel that I'm more connected and
16:42and realize the impact that we as humans have on the whole entire system.
16:49Getting prepared for a night viewing is a very important thing that starts actually during the day.
16:55One of the items that I've always encouraged all young astronomers to to go after is what we call the
17:01explore the universe certificate. It's a great program which allows you to find all these various
17:09different objects in the skies they list them out and then as you as you go through the process of
17:15the of the certification you get to check off all the things that you found they get they've got you
17:21know moon phases they've got planets they've got constellations they've got all kinds of things and
17:28what it does it gives you a very very good understanding of the sky you know so at that night you can
17:37come and you can say oh I think Cassiopeia is over here and you've got the Milky Way over here and
17:42you've got the Big Dipper over there. The thing that I like about this is preparing you get ahead of time
17:47you sit down you say tonight we're going to find these objects. Now the explore the universe kind of
17:53takes you through the whole entire year so you're not going to be able to find all these objects at one night
17:58so it forces you to come out here in the seasons that that objects are there and hopefully you'll capture them and
18:05some of them are a challenge some of them are pretty simple you don't have to have a big scope you don't
18:11have to have this kind of equipment having a set of binoculars you can do most of that with a binocular
18:17and I'll tell you it's it's been a great discipline.
18:20So with these domes right now what happens is that the light is climbing up higher into the sky whereas before they
18:34used to be lower down and the problem is that the city did a wonderful thing right in shielding the lights and
18:40and directing that light downwards. Now the problem is that they selected a type of light that is really bright.
18:48It's towards the blue end of the spectrum which is a shorter wavelength so what happens is it scatters more
18:56and the human eye gets actually a lot of glare from blue light. Now if it was just a slightly warmer hue which is what it used to be
19:04remember when the lights used to be orangey red in the city those lights didn't have shields unfortunately but
19:12it didn't scatter as much so we didn't see these high domes climbing up so high into the sky they were lower down domes
19:20and here's the big dipper you can clearly see the handle but the actual bowl is totally immersed in the light pollution
19:30you can barely see those stars.
19:34So essentially what you want is to be able to see stars you need that nice contrasty black sky right so that the stars will stand out.
19:43Having a dark sky preserve protects the integrity of that sky so it makes sure that you know guidelines are followed
19:51the proper lighting is used and not only for the park itself but also for the communities that surround it to make sure
19:58that they use also lighting that is compliant and that's what happened at Spruce Woods.
20:08Spruce Woods Provincial Park just became a dark sky preserve in 2022
20:13and essentially what this means now is that the park will be protected from light pollution.
20:19I started with Manitoba Parks in 2009. I moved from British Columbia back to my home province in Manitoba.
20:33I really I love my role here. Yeah I'm part of the team that really believes in looking after the park, preserving the park for future generations.
20:46Currently right now there's not too many places where one can go to look through and see the stars and the planets.
20:56And this was perfect. It was a great fit for the park.
21:03Spruce Woods Park was always an attractor to astronomers. It always had that natural darkness to it.
21:10Over the last 15-20 years they started to realize that hey our sky is being compromised.
21:16Light pollution is becoming rampant around the world and it's actually affecting Spruce Woods now.
21:23And so Tim Kennedy, he spearheaded the whole thing.
21:27He started communicating with people, you know, do we want to protect Spruce Woods Park?
21:33And of course everyone was behind him.
21:36Yeah in the early 2000s we attended the Spruce Woods Star Party which is an annual event.
21:42And that annual event became such a success.
21:46Through that event we discovered that the park had all the particulars and the perfect setting for a potential dark sky preserve.
21:57So then of course at that time I didn't really know too much about what a dark sky preserve was.
22:02We applied a human perspective to it where we go to sleep at night and then come and visit the park the next day.
22:10And we'd forgotten all about what happens in a park at night.
22:14In some cases some parks are way more busy at night than they are in the daytime.
22:18If we're going to preserve the natural habitat we have to preserve the darkness too.
22:24I like to always refer to this dark sky as not just an astronomical thing.
22:28It's actually an ecological preserve so that all of nature is able to benefit from all that.
22:34Not just astronomers or people who are looking at the stars. It's everybody.
22:39What is this work about? Well essentially we had to document all of the lights in the park.
22:45Basically walking around and checking out what the infrastructure was like.
22:49What kind of lights were in the existing park.
22:52There were for example drink machines, you know, that would illuminate three campsites at once.
22:58Now the reason that it took 13 years is because we were up against so many weird things.
23:03For example there were two major floods at Spruce Woods that stopped everything.
23:07I mean it wiped out half of the campground, the highway and everything.
23:11So everything had to be delayed for those reasons.
23:14And then you have the normal reasons, right?
23:17Park staff have different budgets. Budgets changed from governments to governments.
23:22But eventually it did get done.
23:24It's just another entity in the park like protecting the animals, the trees, the insects, the skink.
23:36You know, it's, you know, our hognose snake.
23:40I mean we have to protect it all as best as we can.
23:44The public has been so great with the dark sky preserve.
23:48They're excited to get here. They're excited to go camping.
23:51And they're just enjoying the campfire.
23:54And that's so important because it takes everyone to have a dark sky preserve, to preserve above us.
24:02It takes everyone.
24:04But it's not over.
24:05You know, it's not like you make a dark sky preserve and now Spruce Woods will be protected forever.
24:09We have to keep going back.
24:11We have to keep, you know, monitoring, reminding, not only the park and the people around it, but even ourselves.
24:18We have to remember that, you know, that we have to go out there and make ourselves, you know, more present.
24:24And share our love of astronomy so that it doesn't get forgotten.
24:29My love for astronomy goes right back to the beginning.
24:49I'm not one that usually supports the nature side of the nature nurture discussion.
24:57But in this case, this is almost genetic.
25:03The first word I learned to say was hot.
25:07So I'm already into scientific concepts.
25:09The second word I learned to say was moon.
25:12Mama and Dada came later.
25:14I mean, didn't even really need those at that point.
25:16So my fascination with the sky started practically from the very beginning.
25:21One of my earliest memories was the second Sputnik.
25:26And being hoisted on my dad's shoulders to go watch this point of light going across the sky.
25:31And I was three.
25:33This will be as good a spot as any for this.
25:36And what I'm trying to do is align this axis with where Polaris is going to be.
25:47So that this telescope can track.
25:50This telescope is what we call an equatorial mount.
25:55If an object was to rise in the east, this telescope can track the object across the sky in one motion like this until it sets over on the other side.
26:09I think what's impressive about it is it's always represented something large, huge, the biggest perspective that you can get.
26:22I think that's part of my whole approach to everything is to get at the biggest, widest perspective I can get.
26:31I like being up high.
26:32I like being in aircraft.
26:33I like being able to see as much as possible.
26:37And astronomy gives you the biggest perspective you can have on our universe.
26:45So it waxed and waned a bit, but it never ever disappeared.
26:50It's always been there.
26:52And now I'm more involved in it than I ever was.
26:57Nice thing about astronomy, it's kind of ageless.
27:00You can do it from start to finish.
27:16I make sketches of lunar objects here that allow me to not only understand and learn, but show the way in which the objects will appear to you if you get to look at it through my telescope.
27:33We're trying to convey the visual experience.
27:37You're making yourself look at things more than you otherwise would have.
27:43And because of that, not only do you see more, and it makes you a much better observer.
27:48I can look at things and see things that people with much better eyes than my tired old eyes.
27:54But I can see more because I know how to look now.
27:58A lot of swatting.
28:02Central peaks.
28:12Central peaks.
28:13That dark spot was there.
28:22So this one is here.
28:30This one is a miserable looking one.
28:32Up and around there with a notch.
28:35Oh.
28:36Ridiculous.
28:37And there's this rigid stuff here.
28:52Yeah, this should actually come out further.
29:04Get out of the way.
29:05I can't even see the sketch.
29:09It here.
29:11You've been fishing here.
29:12ın
29:39That is a beautiful looking crater, and this is as good a spot as any to see them.
30:07And these are the modern, I think these are halogen ones on these now that are making
30:13them so bright, but they will ruin my sky.
30:20Matter of fact, they'll shine right into my kitchen.
30:22They'll shine up on the wall in my kitchen, so they're quite bad that way.
30:26It would be so simple to fix so much of this if they just had proper shielding over their
30:31lights.
30:32Okay, this next issue has to deal with a lumber yard to the north of me here.
30:37They've got two ancient old mercury vapor lamps at either end of that storage shed there.
30:43The electrical company that installed them doesn't seem to understand the way modern
30:49lights work.
30:51And they tilted them up as if they were old-fashioned flashlights or something like that.
30:56And they illuminated my entire yard.
30:57The tops of my trees were just bright-lit as if the sun was still up.
31:03It was a crime.
31:04There's nothing wrong with the light.
31:06They could use the light.
31:07All they have to do is install it properly, but they seem reluctant to want to do it.
31:12Or they just don't understand how it could be a problem.
31:17If you're on the highway right now and you happen to be driving by a particular spot right there,
31:23you will be blasted by a real shot of light.
31:26The tech guy who readjusted this light, and I went through the whole explanation of how
31:32these lights have to be flat not to be trespassing out and away, but it didn't matter.
31:38They needed to keep that light from offending that house over there.
31:43So this was their compromise position.
31:46If I can't get a group of people who are publicly aware, and they are trying to accommodate me,
31:55and it still doesn't turn out okay, it just shows you the problems that we're up against
32:01when we're trying to control bad lighting.
32:08You made it!
32:09You made it!
32:10You made it!
32:11You made it!
32:13You made it!
32:14You made it!
32:15You made it!
32:16You made it!
32:17You made it!
32:18You made it!
32:19You made it!
32:20You made it!
32:21You made it!
32:24It's cold out!
32:26It's windy too!
32:28How's it going?
32:29Oh great!
32:31How was the drive?
32:44Oh, usual.
32:46We have essentially documented the light domes of their largest proposed area.
32:54Well, maybe we should send a reminder to our counterparts there and see where they're at with it.
33:00I mean, not that it's because it's now out of our court, right?
33:03The ball is in their court, and so we're basically waiting for them.
33:06But it'd be nice to know if they are having trouble or is this just a thing of, you know,
33:11there are other priorities at the time, and that's why they're not moving forward.
33:15If they did need us to help make the case, we're available.
33:19Yeah, they know we're available.
33:21But crickets.
33:24Well, but you know what?
33:25There may be more to this because all of these organizations have different priorities, too.
33:30And we know this from the other Dark Sky Preserve that, you know, we worked with at Spruce Woods.
33:35Yeah.
33:36There are so many different groups.
33:38There are individual farm owners.
33:40There's, who knows, they might be having trouble getting everybody on board or understanding even how it works,
33:46what kind of lighting they're supposed to have for this.
33:49And from our data, it looks great.
33:53It looks really good.
33:54There shouldn't be any stumbling blocks here.
33:56We got the pictures.
33:58We have a preliminary map with the boundaries marked on it.
34:03It should be a done deal.
34:04After all those efforts, driving out there, all those hours, out in the dark.
34:09Yeah.
34:11Taking pictures until, I think we were there until four in the morning, one of those pictures.
34:15That's right.
34:15Yeah.
34:15So, let's hope that it gets to something.
34:19I was given a small inheritance from my grandpa when he passed away.
34:43And all that was said was, you need to buy something that you could do with your family.
34:50And I had two young boys at the time.
34:52And it was said to me, well, why don't you just get a telescope?
34:54All you do is look at the stars.
34:56And so that's how it started.
34:58I got my first telescope and I realized I had no idea what I was doing with that telescope.
35:04So, I joined the Royal Astronomy Society of Canada here in Winnipeg where I met amazing people that, you know, just taught me the ropes.
35:13A lot of those people that I got together with did a lot of nature walks and hikes and they'd bring their cameras along.
35:21Some of them were professional photographers.
35:23And I just really took a liking to understanding what photography was about, taking pictures of things and people saying, hey, that was pretty good.
35:34And, you know, just that kind of encouragement.
35:38It really is a vehicle that takes you places to explore things that you never even knew existed.
35:44You see things differently at night.
35:46It's like if you put a macro lens on your camera, you see the little world differently too, right?
35:50It was a vehicle for me to get me places, question more, find out more what I liked, which I didn't even know.
36:01My real passion when it comes to the night sky is getting a camera with a wide angle on it, on a tripod, and just heading out and capturing definitely more wide field, definitely more events that are happening in the sky.
36:17And just really showcasing those kind of things with things that are in my environment.
36:23I mean, I live in a beautiful country.
36:25We have, you know, beautiful landscape.
36:27We have beautiful abandoned buildings, which always are really nice with the nighttime sky.
36:33I always say you don't know unless you try.
36:36It's like, am I going to see the eagles today?
36:38Am I going to see, you know, Aurora when I go up?
36:42Well, I don't know unless I try.
36:43We look at our nature and we look at birds and how they use the night sky and the stars to migrate and, you know, to be able to see the landscape that they're going through.
36:56And I think so much of that, like, we don't pay attention to.
36:59But I think it's just about information.
37:01I don't think a lot of people know it.
37:02I don't think people intentionally try to add light pollution.
37:05But it's about knowledge and how that affects us and how it affects our environment.
37:10Why is having knowledge of the sky important?
37:14I think that it is one of the very few things that all of humanity has in common.
37:23And one of the very few things that humanity can't affect.
37:26And so we can affect our ability to see it, but we can't change the stars.
37:31It's this thread that runs through thousands and thousands of years of humanity.
37:37Each of these specks of light is a whole galaxy.
37:41Each of these galaxies contains hundreds of millions to billions of stars.
37:47Anything that will spark curiosity has ripple effects.
37:54Four, three, two, one, zero.
37:58Armistons running.
37:59Commit.
38:00Liftoff.
38:01It was our curiosity about the moon and our ambition to get there that drove this incredible wave and push for research and technology development.
38:13Things like cell phones, things like smaller computers, microwaves, and MRI machines are all results of the space program.
38:22There are all of these secondary technologies that come from daring greatly and from being inspired by something.
38:32And whether that's the deep seas or being deep in a forest or looking up and being like, wow, I wonder.
38:38I think that that sentence, I wonder, is incredibly powerful.
38:52Almost forgot my tent.
38:58Okay.
38:59Tent.
39:00Really?
39:01Yeah.
39:01Cute.
39:02And sleeping attire.
39:06And flashlight for the tent.
39:08Camping in some ways has always been the venue for us to get away from the lights.
39:24And the star party is kind of unique in that you will see the entire spectrum of people with interest in astronomy.
39:31You'll have people roll up here in their fancy big camping buses.
39:36And on the other hand, there's people who are sleeping in the back of their car.
39:41So you've got the whole spectrum of people that are getting together here for the purpose of getting to the dark skies.
39:48Hi, everybody.
39:49I brought my cup.
39:51Coffee over here.
39:53Over here.
39:55Oh, thank you.
39:56So a star party is essentially a place where all astronomers of all levels, it can be amateur astronomers, real beginners, professionals, gather under a dark sky.
40:12I don't remember which pole goes first.
40:16Of course, I know how this goes.
40:17It goes like this.
40:19And what we do is we observe the sky together.
40:21We go with our telescopes, tents, and all of our favorite equipment.
40:25And we share the dark sky together.
40:28And this is where we exchange all of our ideas.
40:30It's an opportunity to get together and observe together.
40:34But, like, I really like to, like, look at the stars.
40:45Like, that's, like, the main reason why I'm here.
40:47Plus, I also like to stay up late.
40:50Today is the public star party at Spruce Woods.
40:53And it's an event that we hold annually.
40:56So every year we come out here and we do this major astronomy event.
40:59In the afternoon, we have the solar observing.
41:02So we set up our solar telescopes to look at the sun.
41:05It's almost like outfire.
41:07It's like a superheated gas.
41:09Basically, it's plasma going out into space.
41:12Okay, time out before you guys get rowdy here.
41:16Asteroids!
41:17Come on down.
41:20Right.
41:21Three, four.
41:22Okay, good.
41:23During the night, we set up telescopes and we do presentations to show the stars and the planets.
41:28And we're also going to have the moon make an appearance tonight.
41:32I would say that most people have never seen a dark sky in their life.
41:41And if they come to a place with a dark sky, it's always mind-blowing for them.
41:50Details will come to you, but take your time and look around and see what comes out.
41:54The North Star is Polaris.
41:56That is it.
41:57That's the star that doesn't move.
41:59It just sits in our sky and does a little tiny circle day and night.
42:03It's always there.
42:05Oh, I'm just like here.
42:07Because I love looking at stars and things.
42:09I love that sort of stuff.
42:11I think it's so important to inspire the next generation to want to enjoy the park, protect the park.
42:20Astronomy and the knowledge of astronomy have played an important role in understanding our place in the universe and asking these large existential questions about, like, what does it mean to be human?
42:32What is my place on this earth?
42:34What is my place in the universe?
42:36And you don't need a fancy lab to do it.
42:39You can just be outside in a dark sky, look up, and have these questions sort of bubble up within you.
42:44And so it's really important to be able to access that.
42:48If you deny the ordinary person the ability to see the Milky Way galaxy, which you can only see in dark skies, you're depriving them of their direct access to their resources for their concept of the universe.
43:03I think generally in society, we are beginning to recognize that a lot of things that we do and take for granted are having huge impact and having huge effects on us.
43:16And now we're beginning to realize, whoa, maybe we need to change the way we do things.
43:21So in some respects, that's really what this whole thing is all about.
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