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Speaking with FRANCE 24's Sharon Gaffney, Lynette Ong, Distinguished Professor of Chinese Politics at the University of Toronto, says that the removal of General Zhang Youxia, Senior Vice Chairman of the Central Military Commission, is just the latest in a long series of purges and calls into question President Xi Jinping's judgment. Zhang Youxia is being investigated for suspected serious violations of discipline and law.

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00:00This is apropos, nobody in
00:05the inner circle is safe.
00:06That's how many political
00:08observers are interpreting.
00:10Xi Jinping's decision to remove
00:11long-term ally General Zhang Yuxia.
00:15In the Chinese president's
00:16latest military page, the move
00:18underlining that even close
00:19personal.
00:20Political ties offer a little
00:21protection when it comes to loyalty
00:23to the party leadership.
00:25And suggesting that a near-term
00:26attack on Taiwan may be less likely.
00:29Monty Francis.
00:30He was once a close ally of
00:34President Xi Jinping.
00:35But China's top military officer,
00:37General Zhang Yuxia, is out of
00:39a job.
00:40And under investigation for
00:41allegedly violating the law.
00:45Xi has carried out a campaign to
00:46purge the People's Liberation Army
00:48of those he perceives as
00:50disloyal or corrupt.
00:51And so I think it shows that she is
00:54prepared.
00:55To put his political mission above his
00:59sentiment.
01:00For any particular individual, even
01:02someone that he knew and worked
01:04with in the past.
01:05Dozens of other military leaders have
01:06also been removed in the purge.
01:08In this photo, you see
01:10General Zhang Shengmin, who has overseen
01:12the military purges for Xi and on the
01:15right, General Liu Junli, who was also
01:17ousted over the weekend.
01:20Observer say nothing matches the magnitude
01:22of General Zhang Yuxia's departure.
01:24The Chinese...
01:25The defense ministry has only said that he
01:26had committed serious violations of
01:28discipline and law.
01:30But the Wall Street Journal reported on
01:31Sunday that the 75-year-old military
01:33leader had been accused of
01:35selling nuclear secrets to the U.S.
01:37Experts say General Zhang's departure
01:40will create a leadership vacuum, making
01:41immediate military action against Taiwan
01:44unlikely.
01:45But that his ouster increases the chances of
01:47an attack in the medium to long term.
01:50If this is indeed a political power grab by Xi
01:54and Xi Jinping, and if it means there are a few
01:57constraints on Xi Jinping, in a major
01:59beginning term, I think this increases the
02:01likelihood of the use of force against...
02:04Taiwan.
02:05A self-ruled territory of 23 million people, Xi has
02:08long wanted to...
02:09Reunite Taiwan with China.
02:11Officials in Taipei say they're closely watching
02:13what they've called...
02:14abnormal changes to China's military leadership.
02:19To discuss further, we're joined by Lynette Ong,
02:22distinguished professor of Chinese politics.
02:24at the University of Toronto.
02:26Thanks so much, Lynette, for being with us on the...
02:29program.
02:30There are an awful lot of rumors in Beijing about what
02:33specific...
02:34led to this particular military purge.
02:37What do you think prompted it, given that...
02:39General Zhang Yuxian was a respected and well-known figure
02:43described by...
02:44many as a voice of reason in China?
02:49The...
02:49There are many speculations and rumors that have been thrown
02:52around saying that, you know, Wall Street Journal has...
02:54reported that he has leaked nuclear secrets to the United States,
02:57which is a serious offense.
02:59There's also rumors saying that he is very corrupt and has...
03:04successfully reigned in corruption by him and his family.
03:07But I think the ultimate reason...
03:09reason for removing someone so high up in the...
03:12Central Military Commission, he's the...
03:14second person in charge, just below Xi Jinping, has to be...
03:19the question about loyalty to person Xi or...
03:24loyalty to the party.
03:25In this case, you know, we could see that presidency is really...
03:29still cleaning out...
03:31So the official reason could be rooting out corruption.
03:34But the larger reason is he is trying to put in place people that he actually...
03:39trust in important positions.
03:42But then even with that reason...
03:44So many important people in their positions have been removed in recent...
03:49years, one have to question his judgment.
03:52At one point, at what...
03:54point is this reshuffling going to start because it is creating a lot of...
03:59instability in the system.
04:01Yeah, because does this actually, in effect, strength?
04:04It makes it, in a way, Xi's leadership by concentrating more power in his hands or...
04:09does it leave him more isolated and without reliable advisers surrounding him?
04:14Yeah, you would think that, you know, by removing all these deputies...
04:19his power is way more concentrated.
04:21But in actual fact, he himself cannot run...
04:24run China.
04:25He depends on many, many people to run this very huge country.
04:29And Zhang Yuxia is the second person in charge of the Central Military Commission.
04:34So I'm sure he has a bunch of followers within the army, within the people's...
04:39operation army.
04:40So once he is purged, and Xi has purged, you know, six out of seven people...
04:44in the CMC...
04:45What's happened to the followers?
04:46What happened to the followers in...
04:48in the...
04:49.
04:50What happened to the followers in the...
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04:53In the...
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05:12And there's a lot of questions as well about what this might mean, not just for the China's military.
05:17But also for the future of Taiwan, some people believe this, believe this.
05:22This makes any kind of attack in the short term less likely, but that perhaps.
05:27It's going to strengthen China's hand if she is perhaps thinking here of a longer term.
05:32Attack.
05:34I would think in the short term it makes an invasion.
05:37It makes an invasion on Taiwan less likely because with an army in disarray.
05:42People do not know who is in charge.
05:45It makes any imminent attack.
05:47Attack on Taiwan is very unlikely.
05:52Short term, I would think.
05:54But in the next couple of years, if President Xi could really.
05:57Successfully put in people that we don't see this revolving door, you know.
06:02Shuffling in and out, being removed six months after their appointment.
06:07He might have a chance of consolidating the army then would make.
06:12A military attack a lot more credible, but that is a big if question.
06:17But is yet to come.
06:19And will she be in any rush here to replace?
06:22Those that he is he's outing in this purge.
06:25Do we have any idea at this point who might replace?
06:27These generals we don't we don't actually know so.
06:32They are kind of second batch of people serving in the army, I'm sure.
06:37Some of them Xi Jinping has been studying.
06:41But you have the question.
06:42You know, usually people belong to certain factions.
06:46So so once.
06:47General Zhang Yuxia has been removed.
06:51What happened to his family?
06:52Reaction what happened to his followers and so many people at the top have been removed.
06:57You would naturally think that, you know, people in the rank and file are actually very.
07:02Nervous, I don't know which which direction to follow.
07:07And who is actually in charge now other than presidency.
07:12Maybe that is the actual message that he wants to send, to send this, this.
07:17This sentiment of fear among the rank and file in the army that everyone now.
07:22Must listen to him.
07:24There is no no scope for any dissent at all.
07:27We heard from the U.S. Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, earlier saying Washington is watching
07:32development.
07:32Has the U.S. lost an important senior level contact here?
07:37Because the Chinese president had had allowed Zhang to continue communicating.
07:42With the U.S.
07:43Even after China had effectively cut off most communication after.
07:47Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan.
07:51I think, you know.
07:52Whoever is allowed to communicate with the United States needs explicit content.
07:57Consent of President Xi.
08:01So I don't think in that.
08:02Since the U.S. has lost an ally or whatever.
08:07The term being being being being used, I think the next thing to watch is.
08:12Who is he going to replace this?
08:17Who is he going to replace this group of high-level generals who have been removed in the last
08:22two years or so?
08:23Who is he going to replace this group of high-level generals in the last two years or so?
08:24And I think that is the key important question.
08:27And Lynette, it's not just generals who are being targeted at here.
08:32This appears to be part of a much broader anti-corruption drive that's resulted in...
08:37...about 200,000 officials being punished in some way or another since she came...
08:42...to power.
08:43So who exactly has been the main target here with all of this since 2012?
08:47Yeah.
08:48So, you know, a less cynical view would be that there is actually...
08:52...a lot of corruption in the Chinese system, which is, I'm sure, definitely true.
08:57Everyone has a skeleton in the closet because of the way that the system is...
09:02...of political reform.
09:03So it's very easy to kind of to enrich yourself.
09:07...in the system.
09:08And sometimes one is forced to do so, even though you might be...
09:12...righteous officer, right?
09:13But the most cynical way to look at it is that...
09:17...you know, in the first five years of President Xi's term produced from 2013...
09:22...in the 18th, everyone kind of buy into the fact that he was trying to rule out corruption.
09:27But...
09:27...but there's more and more people get removed from office.
09:32...you have to wonder...
09:34...does he really know what he is?
09:37...what he is doing.
09:38...you know, if everyone is corrupt...
09:42...then the...
09:44...the...
09:45...the formula being used to remove...
09:47...corrupt officials becomes...
09:49...somehow of a...
09:50...become somehow...
09:52...orbitrary, right?
09:53...because...
09:54...not everyone who is corrupt is being removed.
09:57Also, there are some people who are being spared.
09:59So that becomes a bit of a factional politics game.
10:02So I would think it's a combination of really rooting out corruption.
10:06...factional politics.
10:08And I would even question...
10:10...
10:11...
10:11...
10:12...
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10:21...
10:21that we see 12, 18 months later...
10:23...this person being removed from office.
10:26So does he really know who his followers are?
10:29Does he really know who he is loyal to?
10:31...to him?
10:32I think he is...
10:33...you know, sometimes...
10:34...not trusting his own...
10:36...
10:36...judgment very much...
10:37...from the look of it.
10:39And then I think...
10:41...the British Prime Minister is currently in China...
10:43...being hosted by President Xi.
10:45The latest...
10:46...in a string of Western leaders to visit China...
10:48...in the last few months...
10:49...and there's speculation...
10:50...
10:51...in the UK that...
10:52...you know, Keir Starmer might be there...
10:53...with a focus on trade...
10:54...but really the priority...
10:56...for China...
10:57...they might be looking at this...
10:58...as an opportunity...
10:59...to widen the crack in...
11:01...of Western unity...
11:02...given the current geopolitical...
11:03...situation.
11:04Would you agree with that for you?
11:05Or what...
11:06...what do you think?
11:08Yes...
11:09...maybe widening the...
11:11...the crack is not the way to put it...
11:13...because it's...
11:14...it sounds as if there's a lot of intention...
11:16...in that...
11:17...but our Prime Minister Mark Carney...
11:19...was just in Beijing...
11:20...two weeks ago...
11:21...really out of necessity...
11:23...that in terms of...
11:24...kind of trading...
11:25...economic...
11:26...partnership...
11:27...we need to diversify...
11:28...from the United States...
11:29...and look to China.
11:31So I'm sure the UK Prime Minister...
11:33...has that in mind too...
11:34...but we would think...
11:35...you know...
11:36...so a lot of that...
11:37...pivot to China...
11:38...if I could put it that way...
11:39...is really pushed by...
11:41...President Trump...
11:42...his tariff war...
11:43...his use of tariffs...
11:44...as punitive measures...
11:46...against his...
11:47...his long-term allies...
11:49...over a bunch of issues...
11:50...including...
11:51...andspace...
11:53...against...
11:54...over Greenland...
11:55...and other...
11:56...you know...
11:57...rather...
11:58...thinkable...
12:00...so I've made...
12:02... Catania PBX...
12:03...he- way of seeing others...
12:05granted and people are looking at buying insurance and taking
12:10you know playing hedging policies in order to diversify
12:15some of the risks and thanks so much for all of that insight and
12:20analysis we'll have to leave it there for now that is Lynette on distinguished
12:23professor of Chinese politics
12:25at the University of Toronto in Canada
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