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Seth and Sean discuss Bill Belichick not getting enough votes to be the 1st-ballot Hall of Famer that he realistically probably should be, and what politics may be behind making him wait.
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00:00I'm trying to figure out what the biggest story is right now because usually in the two weeks headed up to the Super Bowl
00:05the actual game itself kind of takes a back seat and it seems like
00:10it seems like Bill Belichick definitely not making
00:15the Hall of Fame this year has got the the most people hot and a lot of run last night
00:20it happened late in the day yesterday and that that kind of carried social media
00:25last night I would say and see think about it if you're just waking up and you entered the news
00:30uh Bill Belichick it would appear I guess it hasn't been officially announced but
00:35it was leaked to Bill Belichick that hey you ain't getting in yep we only got through a room
00:40for three non-football player inductees per year
00:45and you're not on the list of finalists for the non football player inductees
00:49that's what it was
00:50yeah and and so then after that after that leaked
00:53oh
00:55another news leaked about how this all came about and it turned into
01:00a whole lot of fun to watch the fireworks because
01:03it turns out according to
01:05reports Bill Polian who is one of the 50 selectors
01:10for this particular distinction I keep in mind Bill Belichick
01:14by all
01:15measurements is a first ballot Hall of Famer he's the most successful head coach in terms of super
01:20bulls in the history of the sport well I don't know I I'm not so sure about
01:25that okay well I mean he obviously isn't yeah fair the general consensus
01:30that I saw last yeah was this is
01:35insane and I don't think it helped the cause of people who don't want him in
01:40that was bill polian reportedly leading the charge on this this bill poll this is the report
01:45bill polian was a vocal figure in the hall of fame deliberations
01:50involving bill belichick with spygate and deflate gate coming up among voters
01:55during discussions per voter who spoke anonymously polian the
02:00former bills and colts gm and longtime patriots rival told some voters he believed
02:05belichick should quote wait a year as penance for spygate basically the
02:10thing that astro fans are nervous about yeah jose altube they're like yeah he's a hall of
02:14famer
02:15But you, this is our chance to wag our finger at you because we didn't get to it.
02:20You administer a punishment. That's the NFL's job.
02:22Yeah. This is, uh, this is, uh, Sean, it's important.
02:25It's an important life lesson. Kids out there, if you're ever thinking about getting embroiled in a scandal, this, I mean.
02:30It's, it's not a surprise to me because this is what happens. If you are really well-liked.
02:35You can weather a scandal with, with ease, with aplomb.
02:39If you're.
02:40If you're despised, that scandal is going to bite. And we've seen it with.
02:45Look, Lance Armstrong, one of the reasons that it became as big a deal as it was was because the, the.
02:50French who are in charge of all the cycling stuff, they hated Lance Armstrong.
02:54He was a cocky.
02:55American, American jerk, all that.
02:57Barry Bonds, not well-liked.
02:59And, and he's.
03:00To get a huger brunt of all of the PED scandals than anybody else.
03:04Um, Bill.
03:05Bill Belichick, widely reviled within the NFL.
03:08Uh, and so you don't.
03:10You don't weather that stuff all too well.
03:12Uh, the Astros, honestly, remember, go.
03:15Before the Astros being better than everybody else scandal.
03:18They were not well-liked as an organization.
03:20Jeff Luno rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
03:22Yeah.
03:23And I think in an era where a lot of people.
03:25Were doing very similar things to the Astros.
03:27They became, uh, a very easy.
03:30Target.
03:31Yeah.
03:32One that people were almost salivating over.
03:33And I think Belichick falls into that same category.
03:35No.
03:35No question.
03:36Yeah.
03:37I'm not going to sit here and argue that Belichick is well-liked or even should be well-liked.
03:40I.
03:40I guess the part where I would push back where you say he's a definite slam dunk first ballot
03:44guy.
03:45It's that I don't know if with coaches it's as easy to, you know, differentiate.
03:50Between this guy's a first ballot guy.
03:52That guy isn't.
03:53Partly because there's, there is a line.
03:55You're not going to get in and you're in there eligible immediately after they retire.
03:59Mm-hmm.
04:00Oh.
04:00Um, or after they're done coaching.
04:02So people are always kind of, it's not like there's this five year window.
04:05Where you're waiting.
04:06You know for sure that Belichick's actually done.
04:08Who knows?
04:09He could end up back in the NFL.
04:10No.
04:11Well, and I'll argue against myself a little bit here and add on to your argument.
04:15Which is, um, without Tom Brady, Belichick is the furthest thing from a Hall of Famer.
04:19That's true.
04:20He's, you know.
04:20Yeah.
04:21You know, like there, there is that element to it.
04:22Now he had Tom Brady and he really took advantage of having Tom Brady.
04:25Yeah.
04:25That's the positive.
04:26I would say Belichick hasn't, Belichick, Belichick has not done.
04:30himself any favors since he parted ways with Brady either.
04:33Yeah.
04:34In, at North Carolina.
04:35All the, all the chicanery going on there.
04:38Um, but again, I'll go.
04:40Go back to if, if Bill Polian is the one that's leading the charge, I don't.
04:45I don't like Bill Polian.
04:46No.
04:47I don't like how, how high.
04:48He's the one that's responsible for this stupid.
04:50Shortened overtime.
04:51The 10 minute overtime.
04:52And it, and I think he's overrated.
04:54I think that.
04:55I think the 10 minute overtime.
04:56And I think, you know, Bill Polian, and I think we should point out too.
05:00One of the other, one of the other people in that category that Belichick was in to get
05:05into.
05:05the hall of fame is Robert Kraft.
05:06Yeah.
05:07Who we know he and Belichick did not see eye to eye at the very.
05:10very end there.
05:11And I don't know what their relationship is now, but this is the part with Polian that
05:14is further.
05:15infuriating in an interview with ESPN on Tuesday night.
05:18Again, I remind you, you're just getting.
05:20in your car.
05:21Bill Belichick, not in the hall of fame.
05:23The report is that Bill Polian was.
05:25Reminding everybody of Spygate and Deflategate and that he was leading the charge.
05:30to keep Belichick out for a year.
05:32An interview with ESPN on Tuesday night.
05:34Polian.
05:35He denied telling fellow voters that Belichick should serve a one year penance, but he said
05:40he heard his fellow voters float that idea, but he insisted that he didn't agree or.
05:45disagree with the proposal.
05:46Polian said he voted for Kraft.
05:49Robert Kraft.
05:50And even spoke up on his behalf during the deliberation saying Kraft had no knowledge
05:54of this.
05:55Spygate scheme.
05:56Polian added.
05:57Now, this is the.
05:58This is the smoking gun.
06:00I think Polian was leading the charge and I think Polian is a bit of a scumbag.
06:05Polian added that he couldn't remember with 100% certainty if he voted for.
06:10Belichick saying he was 95% sure he voted for the coach and.
06:15The player most likely Elsie Greenwood.
06:17Now.
06:18I don't know.
06:19There may be some sort of rule.
06:20There may be some sort of rules about what you are and are not allowed to say publicly.
06:23And in fact, I think there are.
06:24I saw John McClain.
06:25was, you know, he was on Twitter last night talking about all this and that was the fun.
06:30Tony part two is that as soon as as soon as all those writers.
06:35And all those selectors.
06:36There's 50 of them that decide these things in a room.
06:39As soon as.
06:40They all saw the sentiment on social media.
06:43Boy, the rats were jumping off.
06:45The ship.
06:46They're right.
06:47I voted for him.
06:48Yeah.
06:49About these guys.
06:50I'm.
06:50Yeah, I meant there for Gary Harris, to be a voter right now.
06:50I got him for him.
06:53It was so fun to watch.
06:55last night. I don't know. Part of it, I guess, I'm a little swayed also by there's other
07:00coaches who are kind of waiting in line who have been retired and definitely retired from
07:05coaching altogether. Give me some names. Tom Coughlin, Mike Holmgren, like all of those guys.
07:10are kind of waiting in line to potentially be inducted. And I do just, I wonder if part of
07:15it, aside from all of the scandal and whatnot, whether there's a little bit of.
07:20Hey, look, we can take our time with the coaches. It's not as big a deal that Belichick's gonna get
07:25in at some point. We also want to give these guys the respect of giving them their chance.
07:30I mean, they're all in their 70s and 80s now, though. Is there? I mean,
07:32Tom Coughlin's older than Bill Belichick. Right.
07:35Yeah, yeah. At least he seems older. Yeah. You know? And he also beat Bill Belichick.
07:40Twice in the Super Bowl. He did. He did. Yeah. Belichick would have a lot more Super Bowl rings
07:43if Tom Coughlin.
07:45No, there's multiple guys deserving to get in. It's just they narrowed it down to these.
07:50Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's the thing. They like they narrowed it down to these five, you know,
07:54Bill.
07:55That's the thing. It was, you know, Belichick and a couple of players and Robert Kraft and we
08:00will be denied of Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick going in at the same time and having to be in
08:03the same room with each other.
08:05I'm a little bummed about that.
08:06I do like it. It's you always wonder, OK, how much do the coaches actually care about this?
08:10Because coaches spend their whole careers preaching. We don't care what they say on the outside.
08:15And very few of these guys in the Pro Football Hall of Fame voting committee are what you would call insiders.
08:20or football guys or anything. Actually, I shouldn't say very few, but it's a lot of writers.
08:25Also, so they've spent their entire careers preaching about how you shouldn't care what the writers say and.
08:30But and yet the reports are the Belichick's a little peeved by all of this.
08:33Yeah. Well, so I don't know.
08:35I guess. Come on. Come on, coaches.
08:37Take a dose of your own medicine and try not to care about.
08:40the opinions of others.
08:41You can't be happy with your with your 18.
08:45pounds of championship hardware.
08:47You have your your your arguments.
08:50good one as to why like, hey, man, you just you didn't do it.
08:53You you disrespected this.
08:55group of people continually who are actually deciding this thing.
08:58There's a human there's a there's a human.
09:00element to it.
09:00No, no, no, no.
09:00That's not my argument.
09:01I'm not arguing that that's why he was kept out or anything.
09:04I'm saying he should.
09:05He shouldn't be so bothered by it.
09:06Oh, OK, gotcha.
09:07Well, I mean, you were kind of saying like he's you know, he's he has a.
09:10He's treated people very well, you know, right?
09:11Yeah, and that's where I think like but that's people.
09:15inside of the NFL as well.
09:16Yeah, yeah, he's just you're right that.
09:20That's what I was talking about earlier.
09:21Yeah, as far as the specific like grudge against them or anything.
09:25I guess it's not the the scandal part you can't ignore.
09:30Yeah, but it does feel to me if you bring the Astros into it, it does feel like.
09:35OK, I don't want the Astros I don't want individual Astros players to be punished.
09:40When it comes to Hall of Fame stuff, that's what it feels like.
09:42This is this feels like it's that exact.
09:43Yeah, but with.
09:45Spygate, I mean, Belichick was the architect of that in control of everything.
09:49Whereas L2.
09:50Altuve was a was a non-participant in the actual scandal and L2 is very.
09:55well-liked within baseball.
09:56Yeah.
09:57People that people who aren't morons know that L2 is a solid.
10:00Dude.
10:01Yes.
10:02Including a lot of the people that would vote for the Hall of Fame.
10:03Yeah, yeah.
10:04I'm not using this as any sort of.
10:05precedent for Altuve, but it is it is interesting the similarities.
10:08If I'm an Astros fan looking at this.
10:10You know, does my concern, even though it's a completely different constituency and sport
10:14voting on it.
10:15Do I look at this?
10:15Oh, man.
10:16Is this a reminder that we might have to deal with this for a year with Jose Altuve,
10:19who I think.
10:20is a first ballot Hall of Famer when he comes up.
10:22I don't know.
10:23The whole thing with Deflategate.
10:24I hate.
10:25The Deflategate gets wrapped into this because I think that whole ordeal was idiotic and
10:30stupid.
10:30I don't think Belichick probably even knew that Brady, like, took some air out of a
10:34football.
10:35That's.
10:35Yeah.
10:36He claims that he doesn't know that.
10:37But then remember, he got up at that press conference.
10:39Oh, yeah.
10:40We.
10:40We pay attention to every single little detail about everything.
10:43Except I've never thought about the inflation.
10:45of a football before.
10:46It was weird.
10:47People bought it.
10:48You're absolutely right.
10:49The press conference.
10:50The press conference is hypocritical.
10:51I think if I had to guess, I'm guessing Belichick.
10:54I'm guessing there's a better.
10:55chance he was lying about being on every little detail than he was about knowing that a football
11:00got.
11:00deflated by two PSI or something like that by Tom Brady.
11:03I just.
11:04I don't.
11:05I think he.
11:05I don't care if he knew or not.
11:06It's stupid that it was ever.
11:07Yeah.
11:08Yeah.
11:09That's.
11:10It was like the.
11:11I mean.
11:10It was so haphazard the way they even monitored any of that.
11:13Yeah.
11:14Like the idea of a quarterback.
11:15And that.
11:16You know what another though that goes back to the Colts at the time were the ones who
11:19were whining about it.
11:20I think.
11:21Yeah.
11:22Yeah.
11:23Yeah.
11:24Yeah.
11:25Yeah.
11:26Yeah.
11:27Yeah.
11:28Yeah.
11:29Yeah.
11:30Yeah.
11:31Yeah.
11:32Yeah.
11:33Yeah.
11:35Yeah.
11:36Yeah.
11:37Yeah.
11:38Yeah.
11:39Yeah.
11:40Yeah.
11:41Yeah.
11:42Yeah.
11:43Yeah.
11:44Yeah.
11:48Yeah.
12:06We put it on.
12:07And I just between.
12:10clicks on, the Belichick-Kraft dynamic of them having to be in the same cocktail party.
12:15At the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
12:16Yeah.
12:17That's fun.
12:18Would Kraft pay for his...
12:20Kraft's got a...
12:20Usually the team that a player is most associated with.
12:24Yeah.
12:24He's for the...
12:25Because remember, in football, you don't go in with a team helmet or anything.
12:29Yeah.
12:29You just go in.
12:30You just go in as yourself, but obviously it would be because of his work with the Patriots.
12:34His Kraft...
12:35He's just going to pay for the party and everything else when Belichick does inevitably get in.
12:38That's a topic.
12:38Yeah.
12:39Yeah.
12:39Yeah.
12:40God, you suck, writers.
12:41Not you, John McClane, but everybody else.
12:43If it comes, I hope there's a nugget.
12:45Bob Kraft actually had some influence in all of this.
12:47Oh.
12:48Talking to Bill Paul.
12:49There was a lot of...
12:50Conjecture about that on social media last night.
12:52You just say, but you know, Bill.
12:54Yeah.
12:55I would prefer it if Belichick...
13:00Doesn't get in in the same year as me.
13:02That's the speed that he talks at.
13:05That guy takes a 10-minute speech and turns it into an hour.
13:07Marry the boss's daughter, kids.
13:08Yeah, man.
13:09Marry the boss's daughter.
13:10And you'll do well in life.
13:11Yes, yes.
13:13Kendrick Perkins, shifting gears.
13:14We got another...
13:15Nice long segment to start the show.
13:16Rockets back in action tonight against the Spurs.
13:19Rockets...
13:20Rockets have been on a nice little run here lately.
13:22They're back up.
13:23I saw NBA.com had them...
13:25Third in the power rankings.
13:26There's belief again in the Rockets.
13:27It's not pretty, but there...
13:30They're back in the mix here.
13:31Kendrick Perkins is tired of Giannis Antetokounmpo having to sit around...
13:35on a sub-500 team in Milwaukee.
13:36And he says Rockets make the deal.
13:40So, Whitney, respectfully, I don't want to hear about pathways or highways.
13:43It's time to...
13:45It's time to exit.
13:45It's time to exit.
13:46It's time to end this relationship.
13:48And I don't want to hear about...
13:50what could possibly happen.
13:51I don't want to hear about what could...
13:55I want to hear about a for sure.
13:56You know what a for sure is?
13:58You know what?
13:59They got this...
14:00There's a guy by the name of Alfred Shangun down there with the Houston Rockets right now.
14:04And when you look at...
14:05They're kind of in the thick of things, but they're not really showing that...
14:10that they could get past an OKC or San Antonio or...
14:15Denver Nuggets, but if they make a move and go get Giannis Antetokounmpo and...
14:20make a trade centered around Shangun and maybe throw in a guy like Tauri Issa...
14:25and some kicks and you bring Giannis to the H-Town with KD...
14:30and A-Town Thompson...
14:31A-Town Thompson, excuse me.
14:33And that's...
14:33You talk about move...
14:35even a needle...
14:35because the Rockets went all in, in my opinion, for his gambling and taking...
14:40a bet when they traded for KD and then they re-signed him...
14:43saying basically over the next two years...
14:45we want to try to win the championship.
14:47Well, getting Giannis Antetokounmpo moves the needle more than...
14:50after Shangun...
14:51and you know I'm a huge Shangun fan...
14:53but who says no in that trade...
14:55does Milwaukee say no?
14:57I believe not.
14:58Well, listen.
14:59Okay then.
15:00So if I'm Giannis and I'm the Bucs...
15:02instead of worrying about what the Pelicans might do...
15:05and who controls this pick...
15:06I know what I could get from the H-Town right now...
15:10and I could get a guy that's proven...
15:12and that's on the rise...
15:13and that's in that for Shangun.
15:15Okay.
15:16Yeah.
15:17I mean I 100% agree about his take on Alfred Shangun.
15:20Was he saying Alfred or Alfred?
15:22I couldn't tell.
15:23I couldn't tell if he was...
15:25I was glad he corrected Ahmed Thompson's name though.
15:27Boy, that really...
15:28Yeah.
15:29The one that...
15:30Oh, sorry.
15:31Excuse me.
15:32Ahmed.
15:33I'm like, dude...
15:34You butchered like three other names.
15:35I knew that.
15:35I can't criticize people for messing up names.
15:37So...
15:38But I do enjoy it when other people do it.
15:40So...
15:41I think that...
15:42That...
15:43Look, this has no...
15:44Obviously the Rockets in that.
15:45It's not as emphatically...
15:46It's not as emphatically...
15:47It's not as emphatically...
15:48Yeah.
15:49Oh no!
15:50Ho-
15:50Of course the Rockets would jump on Antetokounmpo.
15:53You don't...
15:54You don't necessarily...
15:55You don't fix what some of the issues are necessarily...
15:58Even though you...
15:59You know...
16:00Is it...
16:00As excited as you might be allowed in Antetokounmpo.
16:02I mean...
16:03Elbrin Shangun...
16:04Is such a phenomenal...
16:05Young talent.
16:06And he is so young.
16:07And I think the key thing that I would use...
16:09And he's on...
16:10It's a very...
16:11Reasonable contract.
16:12A very reasonable contract.
16:13And...
16:14I think...
16:15You know...
16:16To use Perkins own words against him...
16:18They committed to Kevin...
16:20Durant.
16:21It wasn't a one-year thing.
16:22And...
16:23Elbrin Shangun being a part of that...
16:25Young Corps combined...
16:26With...
16:27With Kevin Durant...
16:28Is a huge...
16:29Huge...
16:30Huge...
16:30Part of exactly what you wanted...
16:33When you're gonna extend Kevin Durant.
16:35So...
16:35I...
16:36I think...
16:37It...
16:38It goes a step too far...
16:39To...
16:40To...
16:40Bring in another older player...
16:41Not old...
16:42But older player...
16:43When you still have Elbrin Shangun...
16:45In the fold...
16:46And he's still actually...
16:47He's still getting better...
16:48Yeah...
16:49You know...
16:50He's still on the...
16:50He's still on the rise...
16:51And you can very much envision...
16:52Wow...
16:53With Amund Thompson...
16:54Looking more and more comfortable...
16:55At point guard...
16:55There's not...
16:56There's not a reason to disrupt that right now...
16:58Well...
16:59And all of a sudden...
17:00Mid...
17:00Mid seasons start...
17:01From scratch again...
17:02On developing all the chemistry...
17:03And everything else...
17:04He threw Tari Eason in there...
17:05Like Tari Eason's a nobody...
17:06Right...
17:07You know...
17:08Like he...
17:09It was Elbrin Shangun...
17:10Tari Eason...
17:11And Picks...
17:10For a guy who's missing...
17:11Four to six weeks right now...
17:12With a calf injury...
17:13Yeah...
17:14Like this was a...
17:15This was a...
17:15Tough time to go...
17:16Campaign...
17:17To get your guy...
17:18Giannis...
17:19Out of Milwaukee...
17:20And have some team...
17:20Empty the chamber of picks...
17:21And young players to get him...
17:23When he's an older guy...
17:24Who's missing four...
17:25Four to six weeks...
17:26With a calf strain...
17:27So...
17:28And again...
17:29Calf strain...
17:30These calf injuries...
17:31With these basketball players...
17:32Turn into other things...
17:33Sometimes too...
17:34That's the last thing you need...
17:35Is...
17:35To go get Giannis...
17:36Attenacumpo...
17:37And then in March...
17:38He blows an Achilles out...
17:39Or something like that...
17:40And it's...
17:40That's funny...
17:41I mean...
17:42Basketball...
17:43The age...
17:44The age ceiling...
17:45Has changed so much...
17:46And Ted Acumpo...
17:45Was only 31 years old...
17:46And yet...
17:47There's always something...
17:48With the incredibly...
17:49Ridiculously...
17:50Athletic...
17:50Dudes...
17:51That I...
17:52Start to worry about them...
17:53Being in their 30s...
17:54Way more than...
17:55You know...
17:56Being a full decade...
17:57Older than...
17:58Almost a decade...
17:59Older than...
18:00Yeah...
18:01Is a big deal...
18:00It's an all-in now...
18:01Move...
18:02If they were to do...
18:03Something like that...
18:04You'd have two of the...
18:05Top 10 players in the NBA...
18:05On your roster...
18:05In Giannis and KD...
18:07But they're both in their 30s...
18:09And Giannis...
18:10Probably...
18:11You know...
18:12He's been injury riddled...
18:13The last few years...
18:14His body's probably older than...
18:1531...
18:16So yeah...
18:17I was...
18:18I say no to that...
18:19To answer their question...
18:20When he asked...
18:20So I was really...
18:21You know...
18:22Stephen A. Smith jumps in...
18:23And whatever...
18:24But I was...
18:25I was curious about what...
18:25I was trying to read...
18:26Wind Horse facial expressions...
18:27And it was blank...
18:28I couldn't see exactly...
18:29Uh...
18:30How he felt about it...
18:31Yeah...
18:32I respect Wind Horse's opinion...
18:33Yeah...
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