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On this special edition of News Today, Rajdeep Sardesai tries to uncover the chief causes that may have led to the death of Maharashtra Deputy Chief Minister and NCP Chief Ajit Pawar in a Learjet 45XR plane crash in Baramati. The aircraft, carrying five individuals, crashed 50 metres from the runway at 8:45 am. The programme details the sequence of events and features analysis from aviation experts Captain Sam Thomas, Captain Amit Singh, and Sanjay Lazar.
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00:00Hello and welcome to this special broadcast of news today.
00:05When Maharashtra has tragically lost its deputy chief minister Ajit Fawar.
00:10In an air crash. Tonight we will remember the life and times of Ajit Fawar.
00:15And also ask what caused the Baramati air crash.
00:20But first, it's time for the headlines.
00:25Tragic air crash. Maharashtra Deputy Chief Minister Ajit Fawar.
00:30Dies in a plane crash in Baramati.
00:33Lost rights to be held.
00:35In the Maharashtra town tomorrow at 11am.
00:38Tributes pour in from across.
00:40Political parties.
00:45Exact moment of the crash is caught on camera.
00:48Ajit Fawar's plane.
00:50Losing control. Spiraling down before the crash.
00:53Ajit Fawar's flight operation.
00:55Operators now under the lens.
01:00Ajit Fawar's uncle Sharad Fawar appeals to not politicize his nephew's death earlier.
01:05West Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee floated a political conspiracy.
01:09Maharashtra Chief.
01:10Chief Minister Fadnavis also lashes out at the Bengal Chief Minister.
01:15Political war peaks as the Parliament budget session begins.
01:20Opposition adamant for debate on SIR.
01:22UGC Rao seeks a rollback.
01:25of the VBG Ramji law.
01:27Centre turns down the opposition demand.
01:30The showdown.
01:35Over UGC norms escalate.
01:37Supreme Court agrees to urgently list a PIL.
01:40challenging the new UGC anti-discrimination regulations.
01:45And days after India seals the...
01:50mother of all deals with the European Union.
01:53Sources claim significant...
01:55progress achieved in trade negotiations with the United States.
01:58A pact is likely to be...
02:00a PIL.
02:01A PIL.
02:02A PIL.
02:03A PIL.
02:04A PIL.
02:05A PIL.
02:06A PIL.
02:07A PIL.
02:08A PIL.
02:09A PIL.
02:10A PIL.
02:11A PIL.
02:12A PIL.
02:13A PIL.
02:14A PIL.
02:15A PIL.
02:16A PIL.
02:17A PIL.
02:18A PIL.
02:19A PIL.
02:20A PIL.
02:21A PIL.
02:22A PIL.
02:23A PIL.
02:24A PIL.
02:25A PIL.
02:26A PIL.
02:27A PIL.
02:28A PIL.
02:29A PIL.
02:05What?
02:10But first, our top story and our top focus tonight, a tragedy.
02:15In Maharashtra, Maharashtra's deputy chief minister, six times deputy.
02:21Ajit Pawar is no more.
02:24Ajit Pawar.
02:25Ajit Pawar died in an air crash this morning at Baramati, a town.
02:30A town which was associated with him and the Pawar family.
02:35In a sense, has lost its guardian.
02:38The reasons for that aircraft.
02:40Ash are not known yet.
02:42Several theories are doing the rounds.
02:45I will first bring you the sequence of events that led to the plane crashing.
02:50Just meters away from the runway at Baramati small airport.
02:55At 8.45 am this morning.
02:58It's our top story.
03:00We have now.
03:01We've got a good part of the plane.
03:02We've got to Rafael.
03:03In the present, we have a good plan.
03:04It's our top story.
03:05In the past, we have a good plan.
03:07Welcome back.
03:08If there's something you got, we're good.
03:09We don't have to go.
03:10There are some different things.
03:11What are we going now?
03:12In the past, come back.
03:13In the past, we have to go with our first on this.
03:15We have to go.
03:16What are we going to try to do with our current?
03:17We frequently have to go to this.
03:18We have to go.
03:20We can go to some more.
03:22We do have to go.
03:23We can go.
03:24We'll keep going.
03:25We can go.
03:26Let's go.
03:27We need to go.
03:28NCP Chief Ajit Anant Rao Pawar in a plane crash on Wednesday.
03:33NCP Chief Ajit Anant Rao Pawar in a plane crash on Wednesday.
03:38The Learjet 45XR twin-engine aircraft crash-landed nearly 50m.
03:43away from the runway of the local airport, killing all five on board.
03:48NCP Chief Ajit Anant Rao Pawar in a plane crash on Wednesday.
03:53NCP Chief Ajit Anant Rao Pawar in a plane crash on Wednesday.
03:58He has joined by NCP Chief Ajit Anant Rao Pawar.
04:01So we need to know the whole mission.
04:03Thank you very much.
04:08I don't think it's a plane, it feels like it's a plane.
04:13That's not too low I mean
04:26It was too low
04:28It was too low
04:18It feels like the air trap came from the house, but the air trap came from the house, but the air trap came from the house.
04:23The sequence of events that...
04:28...that led to the crash pose several questions.
04:33The aircraft first came in contact with Baramati.
04:38The aircraft's next call was...
04:43...when the plane was 30 nautical miles away from Baramati.
04:47They were advised to descend...
04:48...and in our pilot's discretion.
04:50The crew inquired about the winds and visibility.
04:53They were informed that the winds were calm and visibility was around 3000 meters.
04:58The aircraft reported on the final approach of Runaway 11, but the...
05:03...the runaway was not in sight to them.
05:05The plane turned around.
05:07After the go-around...
05:08...the aircraft was asked about its position and the crew reported on the final approach of...
05:13...Runaway 11.
05:14The crew was asked to report if the runaway was in sight.
05:18The crew initially replied and I quote...
05:20...Runaway is currently not in sight.
05:23...will call when runaway is in sight.
05:25Unquote.
05:26After a few seconds...
05:27...the crew...
05:28...reported that the runaway was in sight.
05:31The aircraft was cleared to land and run...
05:33...at 8-43 AM ISG.
05:35However, they did not give a...
05:38back of the landing clearance next the ATC saw flames around
05:43threshold of runaway 11 at 8.44 a.m. IST there was
05:48no mayday or any kind of distress call by the pilot to ATC before the crash
05:53which has now added to the mystery behind the crash
05:58the pilot's decision you know he made an approach from runaway
06:032.9 and then he carried out a missed approach after which again
06:08he tried to make an attempt from runaway 11 this is what I also have no contract
06:13with the pilots they are not there incidentally Baramati
06:18is an uncontrolled airfield traffic information is provided by the instructor
06:23and pilots from the flying training organizations at Baramati who man the ATC
06:28the sequence of events released
06:33by the government is based on the info given by the persons handling the ATC when the crash
06:38took place soon after the crash emergency
06:43services were rushed to the site the wreckage of the aircraft was located on the left
06:48side of runaway 11 the aircraft accident investigation bureau has
06:53now taken over the investigation
06:58the mystery over why and how the plane crash landed still remains uncertain
07:03便 reports india today
07:08Soon after the news of the air crash and Ajit Pawar's passing,
07:13away, reached the political capital of the country, tributes poured
07:18in. Politicians cutting across party lines offered their condolences.
07:23to the Pawar family. Many of them have called for a detailed and
07:28thorough probe into the causes of the accident. Listen in.
07:33Ajit Dada Neh Maharashtra
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07:50to make a stone, they have always
07:55He has been working on his work
08:00mahi ajid prabar ji ke parivar ke prati samvedana
08:05I am working on the way the way we have.
08:10I have opened it from my house, in this house.
08:15We are all together with them.
08:20In the city of Maharashtra, the city of Maharashtra is located in the city of Maharashtra.
08:25In the city of Maharashtra, the city of Maharashtra is located in the city of Maharashtra.
08:30In the city of Maharashtra, the city of Maharashtra is located in the city of Maharashtra.
08:35The city of Maharashtra is located in the city of Maharashtra.
08:40The city of Maharashtra is located in the city of Maharashtra.
08:45The city of Maharashtra is located in the city of Maharashtra.
08:50We are all ready to be.
08:52We are all ready to be.
08:55This is an important thing.
09:00is
09:05Thank you very much.
09:10powers that would be the producer he died
09:15today morning a plane crash I'm really shocked
09:20to see the news there is no safety and security of the people of
09:25this country even the political leaders I do not know
09:30what is the fate of the opposition political parties but he was very much with the ruling party
09:35but before few days ago I came to know that from society
09:40network that somebody from other party they gave a statement
09:45that other thought is willing to live the bjp and
09:50now what happened today I need proper investigation under the supervision of supreme court
09:55only we have the trust on supreme court no other agency all the agency
10:00are being totally purchased and really it's a great loss for the country
10:05I need to know that it should happen because it is an accident
10:10It has become unnatural, it has become unnatural, it has become unnatural.
10:15can happen on the other side of the country.
10:20It was also a very big accident.
10:25It was a big plane, a big plane.
10:28It was a great plane.
10:30Oh, I saw what I'm just going on a day.
10:35And while the tributes flow in for Ajit Pawar as well as demands for a...
10:40...probe, I want to raise certain big questions about air safety.
10:45What does the absence of a Mayday call indicate in this case?
10:50If visibility was 3000 meters, why was the first landing aboard?
10:55Why was there no readback after the ATC cleared the landing?
11:00Why did the aircraft miss the runway during the second landing?
11:04And importantly...
11:05...is an uncontrolled small airfield like Baramati, an accident waiting to happen.
11:10My guests include Captain Sam Thomas, President Airlines Pilot Association of...
11:15...India Sanjay Lazar, Aviation Expert of Lazarus...
11:20...A CEO, Alva Life Consultants is joining us. I want to come...
11:25...you Captain Thomas first, this idea of an uncontrolled airfield.
11:30A small airfield like Baramati where the capital...
11:35...or the pilot has to often rely on his own discretion.
11:38The ATC is located...
11:40...in Pune, is it an accident waiting to happen? Is it far more dangerous?
11:45When you are landing a small private aircraft...
11:50...in a small airport like Baramati?
11:54Good evening, first of all.
11:55It's absolutely distressing to come on air each...
12:00...in time for a tragic event like this.
12:03A heartfelt condolence to the...
12:05...the honourable minister's family.
12:08And our heart goes out to...
12:10...that young little girl who was the co-pilot of this airplane.
12:15And Captain Sumit Kapoor was a few years senior to me.
12:19He has briefed...
12:20...he worked with us in Jet Airways...
12:22...as well as Air Sahara.
12:25Having said that to your question of our uncontrolled...
12:30...airfields dangerous?
12:31Not necessarily.
12:33Uncontrolled airfields are...
12:35...are there all over the world.
12:37And I do fly business jets into...
12:40...many uncontrolled airfields.
12:42However, in today's day and age...
12:45...I don't understand why we do not have navigational aids.
12:50That are making...
12:52...approaches to these kinds of airports.
12:55...many uncontrolled airfields very easy.
12:57I believe today that whatever information...
13:00...that we have...
13:01...this was a case of low visibility.
13:04When you say...
13:05...3,200 meters...
13:07...when you have visual flight rules...
13:09...it generally...
13:10...requires...
13:11...five kilometers.
13:12Now...
13:13...what has happened?
13:15We absolutely will not know without...
13:18...DFDR and ATC truck.
13:20...transcripts.
13:21The cockpit voice recorders...
13:23...the ATC transcripts.
13:25And...
13:26...as...
13:27...we...
13:28...keep coming on the channels...
13:30...to tell you...
13:31...sometimes...
13:32...it's not very nice to tell you...
13:33...I told you so.
13:35...particularly in tragic events.
13:37Now this...
13:38...company has had...
13:40...another air crash...
13:41...a couple of years back.
13:43The report of that...
13:44...has not yet come out.
13:45So...
13:46...what...
13:47...we'd like to draw your...
13:48...attention right now...
13:50...is to the scene of the accident.
13:52Did you see the visuals there?
13:53It...
13:54...is a pic...
13:55...a picnic spot.
13:56There are...
13:57...policemen there...
13:58...who don't know...
13:59...what they are there for.
14:00The least they can be...
14:01...doing...
14:02...is to...
14:03...coorden that area off.
14:04That's complete...
14:06...uh...
14:07...sanitization of that area...
14:08...is required...
14:09...because that's complete...
14:10...is completely filled with evidence.
14:11Now...
14:12...what we see there is...
14:13...everybody is trampling over that.
14:15And...
14:16...people are passing judgments...
14:17...on what has happened.
14:18So...
14:19...like I said earlier...
14:20...we do not have the requisite information...
14:23...to...
14:24...tell you...
14:25...how this particular...
14:26...airplane crashed.
14:27Was this...
14:28...Liarjet a problem?
14:29No...
14:30...Liarjet 45...
14:30...is a very good airplane...
14:31...and...
14:32...it...
14:33...by no means...
14:34...is an easy...
14:35...airplane to fly.
14:36Let me tell you that...
14:37...it was one of the fastest...
14:38...corporate jets...
14:39...built in its time.
14:40So it...
14:41...requires a lot of...
14:42...skill...
14:43...and...
14:44...the crew had the requisite...
14:45...because...
14:46...about 15,000 hours...
14:47...and...
14:48...knowing the...
14:49...ah...
14:50...pilot...
14:50...in command...
14:51...I don't think...
14:52...skill was...
14:53...particularly a problem...
14:54...but to your question...
14:55...of whether...
14:56...uncontrolled air spaces...
14:57...are dangerous...
14:58...not...
14:59...necessarily...
15:00...but...
15:00...yes...
15:01...they are a challenge...
15:05...I'm also joined...
15:06...at this moment...
15:07...by Captain Amit Singh...
15:08...who looks very closely...
15:09...at flights...
15:10...safety...
15:11...appreciate...
15:12...you also joining us...
15:13...Captain...
15:14...but...
15:15...I want to come to you...
15:16...Sanjay...
15:17...the directorate general of civil aviation...
15:20...ah...
15:21...says that they had...
15:22...conducted a regulatory audit...
15:23...of the...
15:24...aircraft...
15:25...owner...
15:26...BSR...
15:27...17-plane fleet...
15:28...including the crash...
15:29...aircraft...
15:30...in February...
15:31...2025...
15:32...and we are told...
15:33...that the aircraft...
15:34...was fully air worthy...
15:36...therefore...
15:37...or...
15:38...would it be...
15:39...completely unfair...
15:40...sensationalist...
15:41...to suggest...
15:42...that...
15:43...this was an...
15:44...aircraft...
15:45...that was not...
15:46...air worthy...
15:47...the CGCA makes it very clear...
15:48...that they had...
15:49...conducted a...
15:50...regulatory audit...
15:51...of all the...
15:52...aircraft of VSR...
15:53...in February...
15:54...2025...
15:55...that's just...
15:56...under a year ago...
15:57...well Rajdeep...
15:58...thank you...
15:59...for having me...
16:00...to show...
16:01...first point...
16:02...before I...
16:02...I get to...
16:03...you know...
16:04...I also want to point out...
16:05...which Captain Sam...
16:06...probably...
16:07...there are two...
16:07...playing academies...
16:08...that have been at...
16:09...Baramati...
16:10...over the last...
16:11...at least...
16:12...Kawar has been there...
16:13...for 30 years...
16:12...Kawar Aviation Academy...
16:13...and you've got...
16:14...you had Redbird...
16:15...which came in...
16:16...so there are a lot of...
16:17...student pilots...
16:18...also...
16:19...who operate...
16:20...in and out of...
16:21...Baramati...
16:22...they don't have...
16:22...night flying...
16:23...but they also don't have...
16:24...visual aid...
16:25...you know...
16:26...automated aids...
16:27...like he said...
16:28...that's one point...
16:29...as far as the...
16:30...DGCS statement...
16:31...and I did read it...
16:32...they do claim...
16:33...to have done...
16:34...audit...
16:35...of this...
16:36...company...
16:37...and this...
16:37...particular aircraft...
16:38...last year...
16:39...the point...
16:40...that Sam...
16:41...mentioned...
16:42...is very important...
16:42...there's a 2023...
16:43...crash...
16:44...of the same...
16:45...company...
16:46...similar...
16:47...type...
16:47...of...
16:48...you know...
16:49...learjet...
16:50...45...
16:51...XL...
16:52...in Mumbai...
16:52...not yet...
16:53...come out...
16:54...of the report...
16:55...is three years...
16:56...since then...
16:57...isn't that...
16:58...an indicator...
16:57...of some...
16:58...you know...
16:59...where we are...
17:00...stuck at...
17:01...in our system...
17:02...the second thing is...
17:02...of course...
17:03...they've done a check...
17:04...but we...
17:05...you know...
17:06...and aircraft is...
17:07...is a machine...
17:08...at the end of the day...
17:09...you know...
17:10...you know...
17:11...and aircraft is...
17:12...is a machine...
17:13...at the end of the day...
17:14...we know here...
17:15...that this pilot was...
17:16...a very senior...
17:17...qualified pilot...
17:18...he'd flown on...
17:19...bigger aircraft...
17:20...and big airlines...
17:21...as well as this...
17:22...15,000 hours...
17:23...in command...
17:24...and he did a go-around...
17:25...there was...
17:26...apparently...
17:27...low visibility...
17:28...which the DGCSA...
17:29...and we don't know...
17:31...what happened...
17:32...that made the plane...
17:33...wear off into that...
17:34...you know...
17:35...whether you call it...
17:36...a gorge...
17:37...or a ravine...
17:38...or the side shoulder...
17:39...which is of this...
17:39...table top...
17:40...I think...
17:41...our regulator...
17:42...needs...
17:43...more regulation...
17:44...that's what...
17:44...I'd like to say...
17:45...I have long since...
17:46...said it...
17:47...including on your...
17:48...channel...
17:49...earlier...
17:49...we need...
17:50...a restructuring...
17:51...of our organization...
17:52...because we have...
17:53...become too big...
17:54...as an aviation...
17:54...nation...
17:55...you know...
17:56...and we are growing...
17:57...exponentially...
17:58...every year...
17:59...so we need to look...
17:59...at restructuring...
18:00...the DGCA...
18:01...you know...
18:02...the bill...
18:03...CAA bill...
18:04...which I think...
18:05...Sanath Kaul mentioned...
18:06...on your show...
18:07...a month ago...
18:08...when I was there...
18:09...and that seems...
18:09...to be...
18:10...the need of the hour...
18:11...at this point...
18:12...Rajdeep...
18:13...
18:14...you know...
18:16...I just for a moment...
18:17...want to focus though...
18:18...on VVIP...
18:19...these...
18:20...travelling...
18:21...in these aircraft...
18:22...Captain Amit Singh...
18:23...your founder...
18:24...safety matters...
18:24...and former head...
18:25...flight...
18:26...operations...
18:27...and safety...
18:28...I want to understand from you...
18:29...in cases like this...
18:30...with low visibility...
18:31...should the pilot...
18:32...in an ideal world...
18:34...just turned back...
18:35...gone to Pune...
18:36...rather than push...
18:37...for a second landing...
18:38...there was...
18:39...because Mr. Pawar...
18:40...had a series of meetings...
18:41...scheduled...
18:42...Zilla Parishad...
18:43...elections...
18:44...there was possibly...
18:45...pressure on the pilot...
18:46...to land at that moment...
18:47...does it become more difficult...
18:49...when you are dealing with...
18:50...VVIPs...
18:51...who are working...
18:52...to tight deadlines...
18:53...often have to go...
18:54...to even take the risk...
18:55...or take a chance...
18:56...in low visibility?
18:59Well...
19:00...that is always...
19:01...a pressure...
19:02...need not be said...
19:04...that somebody instructed...
19:05...even without instructions...
19:06...if there is a VVIP...
19:07...on board...
19:08...it...
19:09...then...
19:10...kind of a pressure...
19:11...that I have to perform...
19:12...and a missed approach...
19:13...diver...
19:14...overversion...
19:15...all these are...
19:16...negative connotations...
19:17...and...
19:18...from a pilot's perspective...
19:19...their job is...
19:20...to fly from A to B...
19:21...and...
19:22...if they divert...
19:23...or...
19:24...go-round...
19:25...it is taken...
19:26...psychologically...
19:27...as a failure...
19:28...kind of a failure...
19:29...not exactly failure...
19:30...so there has to be...
19:31...a kind of...
19:32...human factor...
19:33...investigation...
19:34...and...
19:35...I have written...
19:36...a paper on this...
19:37...that has been published...
19:38...in the Cambridge...
19:39...university called...
19:40...Cognitive Lockup...
19:41...why pilots...
19:42...do not go round...
19:44...but this is...
19:45...not purely...
19:46...a case of...
19:47...low visibility...
19:48...it is a systemic...
19:49...problem...
19:50...and it could happen...
19:51...anywhere else...
19:52...even without...
19:53...a VVIP...
19:54...because if you talk...
19:55...about uncontrolled...
19:56...day space...
19:57...then uncontrolled...
19:58...day space...
19:59What was the systemic...
19:59...problem...
20:00...what was the systemic...
20:01...problem...
20:04...the systemic...
20:06...problem is...
20:07...that...
20:08...yes...
20:09...airworthy...
20:10...but...
20:11...the systems...
20:12...are approved...
20:13...and audited...
20:14...by DGCA...
20:15...so the checks...
20:16...are carried out...
20:17...by the engineer...
20:18...but the systems...
20:19...are approved...
20:20...and audited...
20:21...and every time...
20:22...there is an accident...
20:23...there is a special audit...
20:24...so what is the outcome...
20:25...of the audit...
20:26...nobody knows...
20:27...there are regular...
20:28...audits...
20:29...why don't the regular...
20:29...fuller audits...
20:30...fulfill the needs...
20:31...that...
20:32...there is a need...
20:33...for a special audit...
20:34...so that is...
20:34...just...
20:35...basically...
20:36...to...
20:37...show to the public...
20:38...in one of...
20:39...the investigation reports...
20:40...in a flying school...
20:41...accident...
20:42...the investigator...
20:43...at the end of it...
20:44...wrote...
20:44...that...
20:45...soon after the accident...
20:46...the flying school was closed...
20:47...and...
20:48...there was...
20:49...a DGCA audit...
20:49...the purpose of the DGCA audit...
20:50...was...
20:51...to leave...
20:52...option...
20:53...not to...
20:54...find...
20:54...both...
20:55...had done it...
20:56...in the right spirit...
20:57...the accident...
20:58...wouldn't have happened...
20:59...so...
21:00...that...
21:01...we are doing things...
21:02...we do an audit...
21:03...special audit...
21:04...and there is...
21:04...a lot of...
21:05...human cry...
21:06...but...
21:07...actually...
21:08...one part of it...
21:09...no...
21:09...no...
21:10...no...
21:11...no...
21:12...no...
21:13...no...
21:14...but...
21:15...you know...
21:16...captain Sam Thomas...
21:17...do you believe...
21:19...for that...
21:20...when there is this...
21:21...demand being made...
21:22...there is a thorough...
21:23...probe...
21:24...who should conduct this...
21:24...probe...
21:25...at the end of the day...
21:26...the DGCA conducts the probe...
21:27...who is...
21:28...who...
21:29...would you believe...
21:30...is best place to conduct a probe...
21:32...and...
21:33...is there a way to minimize...
21:34...the risk factor...
21:35...I come back to it...
21:36...there are...
21:37...you know...
21:38...Indian...
21:39...Indian skies today...
21:39...have...
21:40...thousands of planes...
21:41...lots of small planes...
21:42...ah...
21:43...flying VVI...
21:44...in particular...
21:45...to the smaller...
21:46...airfields...
21:47...who should conduct the...
21:49...pole...
21:50...so that...
21:51...an element of trust...
21:52...can be restored...
21:54...as the...
21:55...at the moment...
21:56...uh...
21:57...we are not very upbeat...
21:58...about the agencies...
21:59...of conducting...
22:00...probe...
22:01...I put it to you...
22:02...that if...
22:03...captain Amit Singh...
22:04...sanjay...
22:05...and me...
22:06...were to come...
22:07...and audit...
22:08...your India today...
22:09...what do we know...
22:10...about the audit...
22:09...or the functioning...
22:10...of India today...
22:11...so we will not be able...
22:12...to...
22:13...come out with a...
22:14...qualitative report...
22:15...that is actually...
22:16...worth...
22:17...being called an audit...
22:19...so that...
22:20...that is exactly...
22:21...a paper exercise...
22:22...that...
22:23...is being conducted...
22:24...in most of the...
22:24...accidents...
22:26...and...
22:27...like I said...
22:28...let's just take the...
22:29...instance of...
22:30...a King Air...
22:31...that went off the runway...
22:32...about...
22:33...110...
22:34...days...
22:35...back...
22:36...the...
22:37...AAIB...
22:38...which is...
22:39...supposed to be...
22:39...tasked...
22:40...with the investigation...
22:41...has not even opened...
22:42...the file...
22:43...so...
22:44...when...
22:44...we met the...
22:45...AAIB...
22:46...they were so...
22:47...upbeat...
22:48...about their...
22:49...capability...
22:49...while...
22:50...they were...
22:51...investigating...
22:52...the Air India...
22:53...171...
22:54...we put...
22:54...to you...
22:55...that...
22:56...they don't even...
22:57...will not even...
22:58...get to the...
22:59...preliminary stages...
23:00...from the...
23:01...preliminary word...
23:02...we also would like...
23:03...to draw your attention...
23:04...to the...
23:04...preliminary report...
23:05...which was...
23:06...published by...
23:07...AAIB...
23:08...what an...
23:09...international joke...
23:09...that was...
23:10...so...
23:11...we do not...
23:12...we are not upbeat...
23:13...about...
23:14...what is...
23:14...going to come out of this...
23:15...so...
23:16...what...
23:17...we are saying...
23:18...is that...
23:19...until such time...
23:20...that...
23:21...we come...
23:22...up to...
23:23...speed...
23:24...with...
23:25...actual air crash...
23:24...investigations...
23:25...we need an...
23:26...international body...
23:27...a third...
23:28...ampire of sorts...
23:29...to come...
23:29...and look at this...
23:30...and in the meantime...
23:31...all...
23:32...agencies...
23:33...like...
23:34...the police...
23:35...be instructed...
23:36...that...
23:37...if an incident...
23:38...like this...
23:39...happens...
23:40...please...
23:41...from there...
23:42...and...
23:43...just see to it...
23:44...that...
23:45...the place...
23:46...is sanitized...
23:46...no evidence...
23:47...is lost...
23:48...only then...
23:49...can we come...
23:50...to...
23:51...at least...
23:51...the ordinary...
23:52...stage of...
23:53...investigating...
23:54...the accident...
23:56...you know...
23:59...I want to understand...
24:00...two other questions...
24:01...that...
24:02...this air crashes...
24:03...the absence of a...
24:04...mayday call...
24:05...what does that...
24:06...indicate...
24:06...if anything...
24:07...the fact that...
24:08...there was apparently...
24:09...no mayday call...
24:10...what does that...
24:11...indicate...
24:11...anything at all...
24:14...no it could indicate...
24:15...that the pilots...
24:16...were in control...
24:17...of the aircraft...
24:18...till the last minute...
24:19...before they realized...
24:20...that things...
24:21...were hopelessly...
24:21...and...
24:22...a crashes...
24:23...accident is imminent...
24:24...had they...
24:25...known...
24:26...that there was...
24:27...an engine failure...
24:28...or a technical problem...
24:29...they would have analyzed...
24:30...and gone...
24:31...through the...
24:32...mitigation plan...
24:33...troubleshooting...
24:34...and then...
24:35...decided to...
24:36...transmit...
24:36...to create a mayday...
24:37...so mayday...
24:38...is basically...
24:39...uh...
24:40...uh...
24:41...if...
24:41...you look at...
24:42...the voice...
24:43...for example...
24:44...in the Ahmedabad...
24:45...accident...
24:46...the voice...
24:47...transmitted by the pilot...
24:48...of mayday...
24:49...was very calm...
24:50...and composed...
24:51...there was no panic...
24:51...so...
24:52...psychological...
24:53...it's called...
24:54...dissonance...
24:55...the physical part...
24:56...is separated...
24:56...from the mind...
24:57...while...
24:58...there is...
24:59...panic...
25:00...when...
25:01...the pilot see...
25:01...that...
25:02...there is an opportunity...
25:03...to get saved...
25:04...there is an opportunity...
25:05...for escape...
25:06...that is where the panic...
25:06...the voice comes...
25:07...but otherwise...
25:08...a car mayday call...
25:09...is when...
25:10...that you have given up...
25:11...it is imminent...
25:11...that accident...
25:12...has to happen...
25:13...so...
25:14...is a thought of...
25:15...thought process...
25:16...it does not come...
25:17...naturally...
25:18...and pilots...
25:19...till the last minute...
25:20...were trying...
25:21...both the cases...
25:21...they would have...
25:22...tried to...
25:23...avoid...
25:24...mishap...
25:25...there is another thing...
25:26...while you were talking...
25:27...about...
25:28...small aircraft...
25:29...can I just ask...
25:31...sorry...
25:32...sorry...
25:33...sorry to stop you...
25:34...I just want to ask...
25:35...two more technical questions...
25:36...one to you...
25:37...captain...
25:38...thomas...
25:39...why was there...
25:40...no readback...
25:41...after the ATC...
25:41...a cleared landing...
25:42...can you explain...
25:43...why that would happen?
25:44Normally...
25:45...we should...
25:46...have...
25:47...a clear...
25:48...readback...
25:49...but from what I'm...
25:50...trying to...
25:51...figure out...
25:52...and whatever messages...
25:53...I got from Baramati...
25:54...incidentally...
25:55...I...
25:56...did a few...
25:56...flights in...
25:57...Baramati...
25:58...a friend of mine...
25:59...owns a...
26:00...flight school there...
26:01...flew a small...
26:02...twin engine...
26:03...I'm familiar...
26:04...with that runway...
26:05...now...
26:06...I put it...
26:06...to you...
26:07...that the visibility...
26:08...was not 3,200 meters...
26:09...because in 3,200 meters...
26:11...it's more than...
26:12...3 kilometers...
26:13...I can see the runway...
26:14...so...
26:15...that...
26:16...is again...
26:17...questionable...
26:18...these...
26:19...are the factors...
26:20...that people...
26:21...in the know...
26:22...must be...
26:23...asked to...
26:24...contribute...
26:25...as far...
26:26...as the investigation...
26:27...is...
26:28...concerned...
26:29...now...
26:30...there is...
26:31...like you...
26:32...earlier said...
26:31...there is pressure...
26:32...when VVIPs are there...
26:33...if you recollect...
26:34...the...
26:35...CDS...
26:36...who...
26:37...passed away...
26:38...in a helicopter crash...
26:39...in...
26:40...in...
26:41...OT...
26:42...in Wellington...
26:43...that aircraft...
26:44...was being flown...
26:45...by the CEO...
26:46...of the squadron...
26:46...in Sulu...
26:47...so...
26:48...the topmost guys...
26:49...do come under pressure...
26:50...and...
26:51...we'd like to...
26:52...tell...
26:53...that...
26:54...there are...
26:55...innumerable...
26:56...examples...
26:56...Chief Minister...
26:57...Raj Shekhar Reddy...
26:58...Speaker...
26:59...Bale Yogi...
27:00...these were...
27:01...all people...
27:01...who...
27:02...had...
27:03...in some way...
27:04...inadvertently...
27:05...put pressure...
27:06...on the...
27:06...the pilot...
27:07...to complete...
27:08...the mission...
27:09...this is where...
27:10...it had happened...
27:11...you have pointed out...
27:12...a very...
27:11...pertinent fact...
27:12...yes...
27:13...that pressure is there...
27:14...read back...
27:15...why was it not...
27:16...there...
27:17...can only be...
27:18...figured out...
27:19...once we have...
27:20...the ATC transcripts...
27:21...because...
27:21...it's almost...
27:22...reflex...
27:23...for a pilot...
27:24...to say...
27:25...clear to land...
27:26...so and so...
27:26...to that he can...
27:27...go ahead...
27:28...and do whatever...
27:29...he has to do...
27:30...but this...
27:31...doesn't seem...
27:32...to be a 3...
27:311,200-meter visibility accident.
27:36Very quickly, Sanjay Lazar, I just have a minute on this part of the show.
27:41Just a final comment, do you believe that, you know, the
27:46worst thing we can do is jump to any conclusions as was the tendency particularly.
27:51With the Ahmedabad air crash in June, this is a moment to reflect and perhaps...
27:56rather than jump to any conclusions, allow the investigation in a time-bound way.
28:01Absolutely, Rajdeep. First of all, like, you know...
28:06Sam said, condolences go out to the family of those who passed away in this...
28:11tragedy. I myself had dealt with Ajit Dada numerous times, 15 years ago.
28:16when we broke off and joined this union.
28:19So, you know, stickler...
28:21Stickler for timing, stickler for detail, woke up at 5 a.m.
28:24Yes, I do hope that because...
28:26this is such an important event, as all tragedies are.
28:31that we do get a time-bound investigation.
28:33I dearly hope that somebody takes cognizance.
28:36and starts restructuring and reforming our regulator.
28:40Let's have quality...
28:41certified aviators, engineers, technicians...
28:44at the helm of that organization.
28:46You know, God knows we need a PIL to get this correct because...
28:50it's high time.
28:51We are growing in leaps and bounds in this country.
28:54Right.
28:55So, that's all I hope for.
28:56and a quick report.
29:01You know, Captain Amit Singh, just on the last point, why did the...
29:06aircraft miss the runway during a second landing bid?
29:09Do you believe that's the visibility factor?
29:11a quick response?
29:12Well, not just the visibility...
29:16the visibility, of course, would have been low...
29:19but the sun would be in their eyes.
29:21the sun is rising...
29:22from the east.
29:23So, that also affects...
29:25that...
29:26that scatters the light and the glare and everything.
29:29So, there could be a possibility...
29:31of an illusion or...
29:33a black hole effect...
29:34that we call...
29:35which...
29:36that...
29:37basically...
29:38when the visual profile is there...
29:39Right.
29:40pilots tend to duck under.
29:41So, go under the profile...
29:43because of lack of references on the sites.
29:45So...
29:46a lot of issues...
29:47which have to be dealt...
29:48but...
29:49frankly speaking...
29:50AIP will not be in the...
29:51position...
29:52to deal with...
29:53because they don't have the experts...
29:54on human factors...
29:55to find out...
29:56what the root cause...
29:56they can...
29:57at best...
29:58say that...
29:59the pilot did this.
30:00So, that is where...
30:01is going to conclude.
30:03Let's...
30:04you know...
30:05as I said...
30:06we don't...
30:06want to blame anyone...
30:07at this stage...
30:08the worst thing...
30:09you can do...
30:10is jump to conclusions...
30:11these are just...
30:12some of the unanswered...
30:11questions...
30:12and we hope...
30:13that those questions...
30:14will be answered...
30:15by experts...
30:16in a time-bound...
30:17manner...
30:18this is a...
30:19air crash...
30:20that has once again...
30:21raised several...
30:21regarding issues...
30:22particularly...
30:23when VVIPs...
30:24are involved...
30:25I thank my guests...
30:26for joining...
30:26me here...
30:27on this tragic day...
30:28thank you...
30:31Ajit Pawar...
30:3366 years old...
30:34six-time deputy chief...
30:36minister...
30:37was known to be...
30:38an able...
30:39administrator...
30:40he was also...
30:41tough...
30:42in taking...
30:43decisions...
30:44and ruthless...
30:45at times...
30:46in his...
30:47powered play...
30:48his critics...
30:49accused him...
30:50of corruption...
30:51supporters...
30:52and admirers...
30:53pointed out...
30:54that he was a...
30:55genuine...
30:56regional...
30:57mass leader...
30:56with a year...
30:57to the ground...
30:58someone...
30:59who had won...
31:00election...
31:01after election...
31:01for close to...
31:02three decades...
31:03Ajit Pawar...
31:04leaves...
31:05behind...
31:06a big void...
31:07particularly...
31:08in his party...
31:09the Nationalist...
31:10Congress...
31:11party...
31:11where he had...
31:12broken away...
31:13from his uncle...
31:14Sharad Pawar...
31:15shadow...
31:16in 2020...
31:16in 2023...
31:17and established...
31:18himself...
31:19once again...
31:20as a leader...
31:21of substance...
31:22take a look...
31:23at the life...
31:24and times...
31:25of Ajit Pawar...
31:26someone...
31:27who never hid...
31:28his ambition...
31:29to become...
31:30Chief Minister...
31:31of Maharashtra...
31:32one day...
31:31until...
31:32fate...
31:33tragically...
31:34intervened...
31:36in 2020...
31:37In 2020...
31:38In 2020...
31:39...
31:41Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
31:46Ajit Pawar took oath as Deputy Chief Minister of Maharashtra six times.
31:51But never could climb the ladder any further.
31:56He made no bones about his ambition of becoming the Chief Minister at least once.
32:01One of the reasons for him breaking ranks with his uncle is
32:06and mentor Sharath Pawar in splitting the NCP in July 2023.
32:11It was his urge to come out of his uncle's shadow.
32:14The split itself came after a first-
32:16bid at Ku failed in 2019.
32:21The split itself came after a second.
32:25The split itself came after a second.
32:26It was the first quarter quarter.
32:28The split itself came after a second.
32:31The split itself came after a second.
32:31Thank you so much for joining us.
32:36and they came to the Pakshajimani.
32:41Ajit Pawar entered politics in 1982 when he was elected on the board.
32:46His first electoral foray was in 1991.
32:51He was elected to the Lok Sabha from Baramati.
32:54But he vacated the Senate.
32:56He took the seat after Sherat Pawar became the defense minister in the Narsimha Rao government.
33:01He was elected as MLA from Baramati the same year and since then...
33:06...has been representing the seat, winning elections eight times.
33:12Responsibility was shared.
33:14Sherat Pawar in Delhi and Ajit Pawar in Delhi...
33:16...Maharashtra nursing the family bastion of Baramati in his uncle's apartment.
33:21He woke up early.
33:26He met his supporters and was accessible to people.
33:29That was how it worked.
33:31Till Ajit Pawar joined hands with the BJP.
33:36The gamble seemed to have backfired in 2024.
33:41Lok Sabha elections when Sherat Pawar's NCP-SP won big.
33:46Ajit Pawar's party to just one MP.
33:49But within months...
33:51Ajit Pawar made a comeback with the NDA winning a super landslide in the assembly post.
33:56Within the NDA, flanked by two Hindutva leaders Ajit Pawar...
34:01...he was the odd one out.
34:02He was staunchly secular.
34:04Objected to communal politics...
34:06...and fielded Muslim candidates.
34:11...Jetra Mati Shwajah Maharaj...
34:12...Doktor Bhabha Sahib...
34:13...Amenkar...
34:14...Mahatma Jyotiba Puley...
34:16...Jetra Mati Shwajah Maharaj...
34:18...Nae...
34:19...Sabii dharmou...
34:20...and Ajitiyong...
34:21...Jetra Mati Shwajah Maharaj...
34:22...Sabii dharmou...
34:23...Sabii dharmou...
34:24...Sabii dharmou...
34:26...Ameni...
34:27...Isi...
34:28...Mirasat ko...
34:29...Aagye...
34:30...Badha na hai...
34:31...Municipal elections...
34:32...were a wake-up call...
34:33...for Ajit Pawar...
34:36...Despite a reunion...
34:37...from Pimprinchenchwar...
34:38...Municipal Corporation...
34:40...to save their strong...
34:41...the Pawars...
34:42...lost to the BJP...
34:44...Even before that...
34:46...Speculation was rife...
34:47...about an impending merger...
34:51...NCPSP gewidt high...
34:53...abgewidt high...
34:54...abgesansert...
34:55...und gesansert...
34:56...Karare...
34:57...Karate...
34:58...Karate...
34:59...Karate...
35:00...Kuch...
35:01...Jah...
35:02...Unka...
35:03...Thoda...
35:04...Bud...
35:06...TYne...
35:07...Bahut...
35:08...Virodh...
35:09...Nahir...
35:10...Rah...
35:12...Us Kare...
35:13...Karate...
35:14...Unske Man...
35:16... Кript...
35:17...Com...
35:19Som...
35:22...E...
35:23... at...
35:25With the demise of Ajit Pawar, the ANCP has lost a mass leader who was...
35:30also a proven administrator.
35:35It does sound cliché, yet true, that Ajit Pawar's death has left a void.
35:40That the ANCP cannot will.
35:45This report, India Today.
35:50So, Maharashtra Deputy Chief Minister Ajit Pawar's death in that tragic...
35:55The air crash leaves a huge void in Maharashtra's politics.
35:58How will that void be filled?
36:00How should one look at the legacy of Ajit Pawar and importantly what happens?
36:05To the NCP and the Pawar family legacy next.
36:09Joining me...
36:10Me now are Daniel Francis, Maharashtra-based political analyst, works also closely...
36:15with Eknath Shinde.
36:16Sudhir Suryavanshi is a senior journalist based...
36:20in Mumbai, Clyde Crasto, national spokesperson and secretary NCP.
36:25Sharad Pawar.
36:26I appreciate all of you joining us on the show.
36:30We come first to you, Clyde Crasto, because the big question how...
36:35A. How do you first assess Ajit Pawar's legacy?
36:39How will you...
36:40How will you best remember Ajit Pawar given the fact that just a few years ago he...
36:45rebelled against Sharad Pawar and broke the NCP?
36:50You see, Raj, the Ajit Dada that I fondly know of is a man...
36:55who was connected to the grassroots.
36:58He was a people's man.
36:59I mean...
37:00For me...
37:01I mean, actually, lots of words because I've worked with him for more than 20 years.
37:05And I remember him as a man who was always on time.
37:10He was an impeccable presence of mind.
37:12I mean, he was always there to help people.
37:14I'll just...
37:15You know, there are...
37:15There are so many anecdotes about him.
37:17I'll give you a simple anecdote as I remember, you know...
37:20A few years ago, we were at Agas Kranti Maidan for Agas Kranti Divas and it was raining...
37:25You know how it rains so heavily in Mumbai sometime in July, August.
37:30And we were, you know, taking shade under the Pandal somewhere and...
37:35At a distance, I saw a figure standing holding an umbrella and then we...
37:40tried to look closer.
37:41It was Ajit Dada who came perfectly on time because he knew this was the time...
37:45for that program to start.
37:46But people had started because it was raining so heavily.
37:49And, you know, the...
37:50Agas Kranti Maidan can get flooded.
37:52But he was there and he was there on time and when we went there...
37:55He said, you know, I'm here because you all are here, we have to be there on time.
37:59Whether it's seven...
38:00One o'clock when he's holding a Janata Darbar, meeting people, helping people...
38:05The legacy of the man is someone whom I will always remember as someone who was there for...
38:10Everyone, you could approach him, you know, you could meet him at any time.
38:14I mean, you know, there is a lot...
38:15You know, you say that you go through a personal assistant or PA or whatever, but if you call...
38:20it out Dada, then he would always answer you.
38:23So, you know, I mean...
38:25I don't know.
38:26I actually...
38:27You know, when...
38:28I...
38:29I...
38:30I take your point because I remember...
38:35doing an interview with him in Baramati two years ago, less than two years ago at 6am in the...
38:40morning.
38:41I was blurry eyed, but he was fresh and he had met dozens of people.
38:45He kept a very punishing schedule, was extremely hard working.
38:48Sudhir Suryavanshi...
38:50You know, Ajit Dada's legacy also is seen to divide people depending on...
38:55how you look at him.
38:56There were those who sort of targeted him, accused him of corruption...
39:00scams and there were those who reminded people that he was a very able administrator...
39:05at several posts and was extremely hard working and as Clyde said...
39:10he kept it to the ground.
39:11How do you see Ajit Pawar's legacy?
39:13Does he leave a huge void?
39:15In Maharashtra's politics, particularly that of the NCP, a party which...
39:20has now revolved in a way around the persona of Ajit Pawar with Sharad Pawar.
39:25Ajit Pawar is now 85.
39:26Ajit Pawar, you know, Rajdeep.
39:27Ajit Pawar is now 85.
39:28Ajit Pawar is now 85.
39:29Ajit Pawar, Rajdeep.
39:30Ajit Navj cost.
39:31Ajit Navj night...
39:32Ajit Jag programa is 91.
39:33Avidav end!...
39:34Ajit Navjantозamay...
39:35Ajit Navjant...
39:36Azianya Nrihezi...
39:37Maharashtra...
39:38Ajit Desktop...
39:39Ajiti Raj...
39:40Ajit eight...
39:41Ajit Ellen...
39:42Ajit Maharashtra...
39:43Ajit see...
39:44Ajit primer...
39:45Ajit Madhanya...
39:46Ajit...
39:47Ajit Alma...
39:48Ajit...
39:49Ajit...
39:50Ajit squeezed었는데one...
39:51Ajit eehm...
39:53Ajit Sĩ...
39:55Ajit es...
39:56Ajit...
39:57Ajit...
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39:59Ajit... Asia...
39:35Ajit Tawar and you went with the blurry eyes I also remember I just want to
39:40share this anecdote I also remember when I first met him and he has given me
39:45the time of 7 o'clock for the interview and I used to stay in a new Bambi that was far away from the
39:50east place so I was late for 10 minutes and then in between
39:5510 minutes I got more than 50 calls from his PA the people who works with
40:00the other is waiting for you the other is waiting where are you where are you and I
40:03lost that you know 10-15 minutes
40:05then after that there was another schedule of meeting and the series of meeting went still
40:1011 o'clock I waited for him still 11 o'clock then I met him he said Mr. Suryanshi
40:15I waited for you and you are not there on the time so sorry then we fix the next meeting
40:20then since that time I decided to meet him either afternoon or in the evening
40:25because to meeting him early morning was tough for us and it was easy for
40:30him that is the first thing second thing is you know his demise lose
40:35a lot of vacuum a lot of over a not only in his
40:40party family but in Maharashtra politics also if you see the number
40:45other way you know Maharashtra government is stable they don't have any threat you know because
40:50they have more than simple majority in this in a state assembly that is
40:55almost 230 MLS with them against the magic figure of 145
41:00into 88 number of state assembly that is the first thing second thing I think it will
41:05include a big vacuum in NCP both NCP because as a
41:10member both NCP is trying to merge and come together the consensus was made with
41:15in the power family also the baton has to be forwarded to Ajit power and he is
41:20the man who can lead the party and the family and suddenly this incident happened
41:25and I think now the family has to go back again and they have to find out the way
41:30place now what will happen with Ajit power NCP whether people will always remember
41:35or always remain with him who will be their next leader there are many questions now
41:40you are making a very important point
41:45you are actually claiming that the power family had was almost convinced that
41:50there was a need for a merger the merger was imminent and Ajit power would
41:55lead the would lead the NCP am I correct you are saying that an NCP
42:00merger was imminent yeah absolutely NCP merger was imminent
42:05and everybody understood the importance therefore the as a litmus test
42:10as a initial say they you know tied up in the Pune and Pemprinichi
42:15warbush election again they were tying up in the Jilla Parishad election and he was
42:20on his route for campaigning for his candidate in the Baramati and after that he was retired
42:25turning back to the you know Mumbai so merger was on the card and there were many
42:30many people within the NCP in the Sharat power group they were happy
42:35some of them were not happy because they didn't wanted to see it
42:40another leadership but now the sudden demise of Ajit power untimely
42:45demise of Ajit power will make big question mark who will be their lead
42:50leader because Sharat power he is you know almost 85 and very difficult for him to
42:55do you know all this work which Ajit power used to do so it is big question
43:00the power family within the two faction of NCP who will be their leader now that is a big question
43:05okay you know that I will come to
43:10that with Clyde in a moment but Daniel Francis you know it's quite remarkable he was
43:15deputy chief minister six times and under different chief ministers under congress chief minister
43:20like Prithviraj Savan under a BJP chief minister like Devendra Fadnavis again under a
43:25chief minister it almost seemed much like Nitish Kumar is a permanent
43:30chief minister in Bihar Ajit power had become the permanent deputy chief minister
43:35in Maharashtra he almost was invaluable in that sense to whoever was in power they need
43:40needed almost Ajit power around in many ways
43:45Ajit was deserving but never promoted in 2004 if you go back you know the
43:50NCP had you know good numbers to claim the chief minister's post
43:55but they almost gave it away for the Congress party and that they have more seats than the Congress
44:00Congress they had one more seat than the Congress Congress and they couldn't negotiate
44:05it for Ajit power I think that was also a complaint that he had from his part
44:10party bosses but you know he was an essential part
44:15of governance for the last 20 years and mostly part of every government
44:20government except for now is 2014 to 2019 and
44:25he was a very pragmatic leader I think he understood what happened after 2014
44:30and what was important for the party and for the region that
44:35they represented that they need to move closer to the BJP I think that thought
44:40process was not appreciated by his party supremo and he did
44:45move closer to the BJP creating a crisis in 2019
44:50and thereafter we know the story but he was a very pragmatic guy and
44:55you know he had a very very good relationship with
45:00party workers he party leaders yeah
45:05and he moved closer to the BJP but he did not
45:10subscribe
45:15subscribe to the Hindutva ideology in fact more recently when a few BJP leaders made
45:20party remarks against minorities he spoke out against them
45:23I don't know for example
45:25in the winter session of the Maharashtra assembly
45:28all the political leaders
45:30would once visit the RSS headquarters he never participated in something like that
45:35he maintained his identity and he maintained you know it's a very difficult thing to do it
45:40in today's NDA but he did that and managed to do that very well
45:44so he was very
45:45unique he was you know a man of his own making he never compromised
45:50on many things that you know he was he was a cooperative guy
45:55he was either way a congressman you know cut from the same cloth
46:00and he maintained that identity till the last day of his life
46:03so that was a very interesting part
46:05and they see one thing that he was abused four five days before
46:10he joined the NDA by the prime minister himself you know
46:13there's a political name
46:15calling but he was almost vindicated by the BJP itself that he was brought back
46:20in the government and made the number two number three position in the same
46:25NDA so you know he had a very interesting journey you cannot like him you can hate him
46:30but Maharashtra polities could not ignore him
46:35that's right because all the charges that were made by the BJP against him in the
46:40so-called irrigation scam 70,000 crore as it was called
46:44eventually
46:45Ajit Pawar was part of that BJP government many believe he was a little impatient at time
46:50which could border on the reckless quite unlike his uncle
46:55and Sharat Pawar was much more cautious
46:57impatient
46:58impatient
46:59impatient
47:00he said Clyde Crasto yeah Clyde Crasto taking our
47:05from what Sudhir Suryavanshi said do the power what happens now to the NDA
47:10NCP
47:11does the NCP
47:12does the NCP have to make a choice now between going
47:15going with the India Alliance or going with the NDA will the Pawar family now be able to come
47:20together without Ajit Pawar there to sort of guide it on the ground in Maharashtra
47:25in particular Sharat Pawar has spent a large part of his politics in the last 20 years
47:30in Delhi Supriya Sule in Delhi
47:32so who guides the NCP and will we see a
47:35united NCP now
47:38see Rajti this is a time of grief
47:40you know to talk about something like this I think it's not the right time to even discuss
47:45something of this matter but for the for what I'm trying to tell you is that at the end of the day
47:50you know it's it's a tragic thing that has happened to all of us you know
47:55I could you know vaguely decipher what Sudhir Bhai was saying
47:58the thing is you know
48:00he he did what he felt was right you know for himself okay
48:05and it the Kada they decided they wanted to be with Dada some people wanted to be with
48:10I have each one has their provocative and I I'll tell you one thing you know you cannot
48:15rule
48:15you know
48:17you know
48:18you know
48:19you know
48:20you know
48:21everybody has their own standing
48:22you know
48:23everybody has their own standing
48:24you know
48:25everybody has their own standing
48:26everybody has their own standing
48:27we continue doing our work
48:29but to speak about it at this moment
48:32of time where we are all in grief
48:34and let me tell you something
48:35the question could be like
48:37I am a spokesperson of the NCP
48:39but I am talking about Ajit Pahar
48:41let me tell you
48:42Ajit Pahar as an individual
48:45and Ajit Pahar as a political
48:47politician are two different people
48:48all together
48:48and the man has a big heart
48:50I mean
48:52I am controlling my emotions today
48:53I have known
48:54you know
48:55in fact
48:56but
48:57the man had a big heart
48:58you know
48:58and so
48:59today at this time
49:00I don't want to
49:02think of him as a politician
49:03I want to think of him
49:04as a man who was connected
49:05to the grassroots
49:05I want to think of him as
49:07a man who helped people
49:08a man who touched many lives
49:10okay
49:11he did what
49:12he had to do
49:12I mean
49:13it's fair enough
49:14but
49:15this is a man
49:16who we have
49:17lost today
49:17a man who worked
49:19for the people
49:19six o'clock in the morning
49:22if somebody said
49:22dada mala madad kara
49:23and he would never say
49:25he would never tell the P.A.
49:27he would call the P.A. and said
49:28hey vaga
49:29and hey
49:29this has to be done
49:32so let's remember
49:33the man today
49:33as someone who touched
49:34a lot of hearts
49:35let's not think
49:37about what he did
49:38or what he shouldn't
49:39have done
49:39a man with a golden heart
49:41and we've lost
49:41you
49:42a man with a golden heart
49:42and someone
49:47therefore
49:47who won elections
49:48for over 30 years
49:49and you don't win
49:50election after election
49:51after
49:5230 years
49:52for 30 years
49:53barring that one election
49:54where his wife
49:55of course
49:55contested against
49:56Supriya Soleil
49:57something that he was
49:58discomforted by
49:59I can tell you
50:00from my
50:01conversations with him
50:03but the truth of the matter
50:04is he was
50:05as was just said
50:06a doer
50:06and he kept his word
50:08and I will always recall
50:10a conversation
50:11I had with
50:11him in 2024
50:12where he also revealed
50:13his great love
50:14for cricket
50:15and he smiled
50:16because Ajit Pawar
50:18was known
50:18as someone
50:19who didn't like
50:19journalists too much
50:20and didn't smile
50:21too often
50:21but somehow
50:22that day
50:23in Baramati
50:24he smiled a lot
50:25he seemed very relaxed
50:26and my thoughts
50:28are with him
50:29and his family
50:30when Maharashtra
50:31has lost
50:31its deputy chief minister
50:33long-serving
50:33deputy chief minister
50:35Ajit Pawar
50:36in a tragic
50:36air crash
50:37now Ajit Pawar
50:39is someone
50:39who generally
50:40stayed away
50:40from the media
50:41especially the national media
50:43allowing the likes
50:44of Supriya Suley
50:45and Sharad Pawar
50:46really to represent
50:48the NCP
50:49in such
50:49national media
50:50fora
50:51but in September 2024
50:53for the first time
50:54Ajit Pawar
50:55agreed to our
50:56request
50:56to attend
50:57the India Today
50:58pre-Maharashtra
50:59election
51:00conclave
51:00in Mumbai
51:01and in my conversation
51:03with him
51:04we saw a very
51:05different side
51:06to Ajit
51:06Pawar
51:07even smiling
51:08at times
51:09and candidly
51:10admitting
51:10that he
51:11hoped
51:11to be
51:12chief minister
51:12of Maharashtra
51:14one day
51:14listen in
51:15to Ajit Pawar
51:16a maximum
51:18number of times
51:19up
51:20mukhyya
51:20mantri
51:20swear in
51:21way
51:215
51:21time
51:22ka
51:23ha
51:23kabhi kabhi
51:24lagta
51:24ayar
51:24mukhyya
51:25mantri
51:25banna
51:26hai
51:26Oh, it's going to happen, but our car is there, so what do we do?
51:31I try to go there too, too, too, too.
51:36But I didn't get a chance, once the NCP got a chance in 2004.
51:41Yes, but what do we do?
51:46Oh, it's going to go there, because it's saying that...
51:51It's going to go there, so it's going to go there.
51:56It's going to go there, so it's going to go there.
52:01It's going to go there, so it's going to go there.
52:06It's going to go there.
52:08It's going to go there.
52:10It's going to go there.
52:12It's going to go there.
52:14It's going to go there.
52:16It's going to go there.
52:18It's going to go there.
52:20It's going to go there.
52:22It's going to go there.
52:24It's going to go there.
52:26It's going to go there.
52:27It's going to go there.
52:28It's going to go there.
52:30It's going to go there.
52:32It's going to go there.
52:34It's going to go there.
52:36It's going to go there.
52:38It's going to go there.
52:40It's going to go there.
52:42It's going to go there.
52:44It's going to go there.
52:46It's going to go there.
52:48It's going to go there.
52:50It's going to go there.
52:51It's going to go there.
52:53It's going to go there.
52:55It's going to go there.
52:56It's going to go there.
53:26And while our condolences tonight are with the Pawar family in their hour of grief.
53:31We would also like to remember the others who died in this hurricane.
53:36horrific air crash.
53:37Our thoughts and prayers with the families of Captain Sumit.
53:41Kapoor.
53:42First Officer Shambhavi Pathak.
53:44Cabin Crew Pinky Malik.
53:46Ali.
53:47And Ajit Pawar Security Aid.
53:49Vidiv Jadav.
53:51Our condolences with each and every one of you.
53:56Thanks for watching.
53:57Stay well.
53:58Stay safe.
53:59Namaste.
54:01Namaste.
54:02Farewell.
54:03Ajit Dada.
54:06Bye.
54:07Bye.
54:08Bye.
54:09Bye.
54:10Bye.
54:11Bye.
54:11Bye.
54:12Bye.
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