00:00We can now bring in Todd Bell, Professor and Political Management Programme Director at
00:05George Washington University. Thank you very much for joining us on the program today.
00:10The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Donald Trump has signaled a willingness to withdraw ICE from Minneapolis.
00:15Is Alex Prette's killing a turning point for the Trump administration?
00:20For Donald Trump's presidency?
00:22Well, thanks for having me on again.
00:25It's great to be with you.
00:26I think it absolutely is.
00:28That article in the Washington...
00:30I'm sorry, in the Wall Street Journal that you just mentioned, also had Donald Trump saying that he...
00:35wants a full investigation and he's not really clear on what happened, which is a...
00:40significant step back.
00:41We've seen with Rene Good and at least at the beginning...
00:45of the coverage of Alex Prette is that the administration went hard on...
00:50their language and said, look, ICE was in the right and they were fully...
00:55behind them and it's the protesters fault and now they're starting to backtrack on...
01:00that.
01:01And as you said, Donald Trump is even thinking of trying to remove some of these troops.
01:05So...
01:05this is a real change in the stance of the administration.
01:08Because just like you mentioned...
01:10just like they did for Rene Good's death, the administration has sort of tried to...
01:15justify the actions of these ICE agents, but the images speak for...
01:20themselves.
01:21This ICU nurse was not trying to pull out his weapon or...
01:25aiming it at anyone.
01:26That's exactly right.
01:27I mean, we live in a world where you...
01:30you can't just say this is what happened because everybody has their cell phones out now.
01:35And in fact, in the new bill that's going through the House of Representatives...
01:39there's 20 million...
01:40dollars for body cameras and a requirement for ICE to start wearing body cameras...
01:45that was part of the compromise that they came up with in addition to more training for...
01:50de-escalation and independent oversight of the detainee facilities.
01:55So there is a bit of pushback here at the federal level, at least from Congress.
01:59We'll see what the Senate...
02:00the Senate does this week.
02:01We had two former U.S. presidents who put...
02:05out statements over the weekend, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, but also at the Sundance...
02:10film festival, we had actors who have sort of told the line...
02:15break with the Norman speaker.
02:16Take a listen to what Natalie Portman had to say.
02:20It's very joyful to be at a film festival.
02:25And in a creative community celebrating film together.
02:29But...
02:30what is happening in our country is just obscene and...
02:35what Trump and Kristi Noem and ICE are doing to our...
02:40citizens is...
02:42and...
02:43and to...
02:44undocumented people...
02:45is...
02:46outrageous...
02:47and needs to end.
02:50Mark Ruffalo...
02:51actor Mark Ruffalo had a similar thing to say at the Golden Globes...
02:55now, of course, since then, we've had the second American to be killed at the...
03:00hands of ICE...
03:01uh...
03:02for how much longer can...
03:04can Americans...
03:05take this.
03:06This is a...
03:07a real good point.
03:08Now...
03:09This is a...
03:10a real good point.
03:11Now...
03:10while it's true that...
03:11uh...
03:12celebrities don't really change people's opinions on things...
03:15they...
03:16make...
03:17a...
03:18reinforcement of the opinions people already have...
03:19in our...
03:20in our...
03:20PW politics poll...
03:21we found that...
03:2271% of Americans...
03:23uh...
03:24support...
03:25restrictions on...
03:26illegal immigration...
03:27and...
03:28a...
03:29good portion...
03:30support...
03:30deportation...
03:31but it's the way that this is happening...
03:33and the videos that are coming out...
03:35that are...
03:35really...
03:36uh...
03:37causing people to...
03:38even Republicans...
03:39we've seen a number of...
03:40uh...
03:40high-ranking Republican governors...
03:41and senators...
03:42uh...
03:43express their concern over this...
03:44uh...
03:45this...
03:45is really a challenge for the president...
03:47and a challenge for the administration...
03:48they can't...
03:49get through just...
03:50by trying to look tough...
03:51and deflect all blame...
03:52on the protesters...
03:53yeah...
03:54because last week as well...
03:55we had the...
03:55vice-agents...
03:56use a five-year-old...
03:57to try and lure...
03:58uh...
03:59his family out...
04:00so that...
04:00at...
04:01at one point...
04:02we're also going to have...
04:03supporters of the president...
04:04who...
04:05who...
04:05thinks his policies...
04:06have gone too far...
04:07right...
04:08yeah...
04:09uh...
04:10there are...
04:10supporters of the president...
04:11who...
04:12thinks he's gone too far...
04:13but...
04:14we should...
04:15uh...
04:15where...
04:16Donald Trump was elected on...
04:17deportations begin on day one...
04:19and we also found...
04:20in our poll...
04:21that...
04:22close to 40%...
04:23of Donald Trump's voters...
04:24think it's okay...
04:25to separate...
04:25children...
04:26from their family members...
04:27so there is...
04:28a big constituency...
04:29that...
04:30Donald Trump has...
04:31it's just...
04:32this is a small fragment...
04:33of the electorate...
04:34he's losing the rest...
04:35of America...
04:36but...
04:37Todd...
04:38deportations are one thing...
04:39now...
04:40that...
04:41ICE agents are killing...
04:42American citizens...
04:43if this was...
04:44any other country...
04:45in the world...
04:45the European Union...
04:46would have put out...
04:47a statement...
04:48and probably sanctioned...
04:49individuals...
04:50but because...
04:50the United States...
04:51they haven't done it...
04:52for now...
04:53is that...
04:54what needs to happen?
04:55I'm sure...
04:56and if you...
04:57if you look at...
04:58what's going on...
04:59in Iran...
05:00and...
05:01versus the United States...
05:00and what Donald Trump...
05:01is saying...
05:02about the protestors...
05:03in Iran...
05:04versus the protestors...
05:05here...
05:05it's a real...
05:06difference...
05:07in opinion...
05:08on...
05:09who's...
05:10right...
05:10wrong...
05:11I don't know...
05:12that...
05:13any European...
05:14statement...
05:15would change...
05:16what Donald Trump...
05:15is doing...
05:16it would only cause...
05:17him to dig in...
05:18even more...
05:19the one thing...
05:20that's really going...
05:21to change his mind...
05:20as Republicans...
05:21around him...
05:22what can...
05:23local authorities...
05:24in Minnesota...
05:25do to protect...
05:25uh...
05:26citizens...
05:27from...
05:28more citizens...
05:29from being killed...
05:30uh...
05:30at the hands of ISIS...
05:31until...
05:32of course...
05:33the US president...
05:34uh...
05:35pulls...
05:35these ICE agents...
05:36uh...
05:37from the vicinity...
05:38right...
05:39this is...
05:40the...
05:40real...
05:41big thing...
05:42that...
05:43Governor Walts...
05:44has...
05:45put into his...
05:46directives...
05:45for the National Guard...
05:46and the local police force...
05:47which is...
05:48try to...
05:49deescalate situations...
05:50and to separate...
05:51ICE officials...
05:52from the protestors...
05:53and that's really...
05:54the only thing...
05:55they can do...
05:55a lot of these...
05:56uh...
05:57these ICE raids...
05:58they're unannounced...
05:59you don't know where they're gonna be...
06:00and people are out...
06:00out around...
06:01looking for ICE people...
06:02and so...
06:03it's hard...
06:04for those local...
06:05law enforcement officers...
06:05to respond...
06:06in time...
06:07I saw that...
06:08in Minneapolis...
06:09the residents...
06:10have set up...
06:10this sort of...
06:11system...
06:12with whistles...
06:13to alert each other...
06:14when these ICE raids...
06:15are taking place...
06:16I mean...
06:17is that something...
06:18we're gonna see now...
06:19spread across cities...
06:20as these...
06:20the ICE agents...
06:21move their...
06:22their activities...
06:23from...
06:24from...
06:25city to city?
06:25I think...
06:26for sure...
06:27I mean...
06:28that whistle has become...
06:29a real symbol...
06:30of solidarity...
06:31among the people...
06:30in Minnesota...
06:31and I think...
06:32you'll see it...
06:33elsewhere...
06:34I wouldn't be surprised...
06:35if you saw...
06:36more apps...
06:37being developed...
06:38that would be...
06:39tracking...
06:40where ICE...
06:41is...
06:40based upon...
06:41others input...
06:42Todd...
06:43we're gonna have...
06:44leave you there...
06:45thank you so much...
06:46for joining...
06:45us on the program today...
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