00:00One more extreme will be to see how best collectively we can prevent the Russians and the Chinese
00:17getting more access to the Arctic region, becoming also military more of an adversary there.
00:24How to prevent that also from them gaining access to the economy here and there.
00:28And that's one work stream.
00:31As we all know, we are now coming up to the fourth tragic anniversary and it forces the Russians
00:38to more and more protect the Shadow Fleet, which, of course, poses a cost on them.
00:44In the meantime, as these discussions to secure a long and lasting peace, my relationship with
00:51the president.
00:52Hey, listen, if somebody is doing good stuff and President Trump is doing a lot of good
00:56stuff, I believe, I know I'm irritating a lot of you again.
00:58But I think so, because as I said also in Davos, the 2% reach by all NATO countries now at
01:06the end of 2025 would never, ever, ever have happened without Trump.
01:11Do you really think that Spain and Italy and Belgium and Canada would have decided to move
01:16from 1.5% to 2%, Italy spending 10 billion more now on the fence at the beginning of
01:21the year without President Trump?
01:22No way!
01:23It would not have happened.
01:24And do you really think that in The Hague we would have come to the 5% commitment without
01:28President Trump?
01:29No way!
01:30It's great to see you both again, but also to see all of you again.
01:35So when President Trump is doing good stuff, I will praise him.
01:38And I don't mind him publishing text messages.
01:41And if anyone thinks here, again, that the European Union or Europe as a whole can defend
01:46itself without the U.S., keep on dreaming.
01:49You can't.
01:50We can't.
01:51We need each other.
01:52And why do we need each other?
01:53I tell you.
01:54First of all, because also the U.S. needs NATO.
01:57For example, the full application and what's happened on the 7th of October 2023.
02:03For the U.S. to stay safe, and by the way, Arctic region is evidence here, they need a
02:08secure Arctic, they need a secure Euro-Atlantic, and they also need a secure Europe.
02:12So the U.S. has every interest in NATO as much as Canada and the European NATO allies.
02:19But for Europe, if you really want to go it alone, and those who you were planning for
02:22that, forget that you can never get there with 5%.
02:25It will be 10%.
02:27You have to build up your own nuclear capability.
02:29That costs billions and billions of euros.
02:32You will lose then, in that scenario, you would lose the ultimate guarantor of our freedom,
02:36which is the U.S. nuclear umbrella.
02:38So hey, good luck.
02:40This stabilizes entire regions and causes mass civilian suffering.
02:45Thank you, Chair, and thank you, Secretary General, for being here.
02:48And my question will also be about recent events in...
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