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The Traitors Uncloaked (2024) Season 3 Episode 12
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00:00Please open the chest in three
00:13Two
00:17One
00:19I'm really sorry
00:27Jack, I'm really sorry
00:49Hello, and welcome to the Traitors Uncloaked Grand Finale.
00:57I'm Ed Gamble, and I'm here at the BBC Radio Theatre
00:59with an amazing audience made up of traitors and faithful.
01:06So, what have we got coming up in this final episode?
01:10Claudia Winkleman can finally spill all
01:12on this incredible series of the traitors.
01:15Chest of Chance victim James and finalist Jade
01:17reflect on going to battle at the round table,
01:19the ceremonial dagger, and surviving suspicion.
01:22Finalists Faraz and Jack talk us through that nail-biting endgame,
01:26and our historic winners Rachel and Stephen
01:28will be joining us for their first ever interviews.
01:30Make sure you're sitting comfortably,
01:31because this is the Traitors Uncloaked Grand Finale.
01:41We'll be bringing on the players shortly,
01:43but before that, I'm thrilled to once again introduce
01:46the truly incredible Claudia Winkleman!
01:51Welcome.
01:52Thank you so much for having me.
01:54Welcome, Claudia.
01:54I just love seeing everybody look.
01:56No.
01:56They're there.
01:57Look how smart they look.
01:58Look how gorgeous.
01:59Very gorgeous.
02:00All alive, crucially.
02:01They're all alive.
02:02Yes, vital.
02:03Very nice.
02:03Thank you for joining us again on Uncloaked, Claudia.
02:06An amazing final episode.
02:08What was it like watching it all back?
02:09Um, emotional, because I was watching with the entire cast,
02:15and I believe that none of you knew the outcome.
02:19So it was really thrilling.
02:21Then everyone's standing up at the end.
02:23It's emotional.
02:24I mean, you can see when I do it, I get a bit too in.
02:27You are invested.
02:28I cried before Rachel and Stephen.
02:33It was weird.
02:34A lot of tears at the end there.
02:36Is that very happy to see them win,
02:38but also it's that sort of tension that's been built up
02:41across the whole game?
02:41Absolutely.
02:42And you really didn't know which way it was going to go.
02:46I mean, just listening to Stephen breathing at that end game,
02:50I was like, oh, my goodness.
02:52And so just the relief.
02:54And they were so happy.
02:55And I found their end and their love for each other
02:58incredibly moving.
03:01Why do you think they were able to make it to the end together?
03:04What do you think that was special about them?
03:07I think they're, I mean, the entire cast,
03:10I'm not just saying this because you're sitting opposite me,
03:13were utterly magnificent.
03:15And what I loved about Rachel and Stephen,
03:18from the very beginning, you can almost watch it back,
03:22knowing what you know now, they just looked after each other
03:24without being obvious, without going, no, no, no, they're fine.
03:27If something came into play, she was like, all right,
03:29I'm just going to do this to look after him.
03:31And he would do the same for her.
03:32And they made that alliance.
03:34And we've never seen that before.
03:35Lots of people make alliances and they last, you know,
03:38an episode, five minutes.
03:40But they decided.
03:41And, um, not Romeo and Juliet, because that ended badly,
03:46but Bonnie and Clyde, I don't know, but they,
03:48they were, they were lovers in the turret.
03:52And they, they stuck together.
03:55Claudia, I think,
03:56I think they edited a lot of that out, actually.
04:00You know what I mean.
04:01I know what you mean.
04:02You know, it was, it was,
04:04they were totally faithful to each other.
04:05Um, and of course,
04:07we have to talk about the big twist for this series,
04:09The Secret Traitor.
04:10Yes.
04:11Why did you think Fiona would fit that role particularly?
04:14I mean, how can we not?
04:16Look at her.
04:17Well, I mean,
04:18Fiona was so convincing
04:19about how, um,
04:22people treat women of a certain age.
04:23And she was so twinkly.
04:26Um, I just wanted to put her in my pocket.
04:29I absolutely loved her.
04:30So, yeah, we had to give her the red cloak.
04:32So, of course,
04:32we had a lot of amazing faithfuls this series as well.
04:35Uh, one in particular was Jessie,
04:37who was on to Stephen
04:39and would not let go of the Stephen theory.
04:42Uh, how did it feel at those roundtables
04:44when Jessie was going after Stephen?
04:45Well, it's extraordinary.
04:47My, not my favourite,
04:48but always,
04:49I love a Maddie.
04:50I love a Jazz.
04:51I love a Jessie.
04:53Who knew,
04:54I knew really early.
04:56And there was a brilliant moment
04:57when everybody's talking
04:58and Jessie goes off in,
05:00I think, into the dining room going,
05:02listen to them,
05:03whanging on,
05:04nobody's listening to me.
05:06Uh, not quite like that.
05:07You use better words.
05:08Yeah.
05:08But, um,
05:11it was extraordinary.
05:12She laid it out,
05:12the Library Five.
05:13She just laid,
05:14it was all there
05:14and everybody went,
05:15aww.
05:16And they love you
05:17and they did love you
05:19and you were,
05:21um,
05:21they adored you
05:22and they would go,
05:23oh, thank you, Jessie.
05:24No, I think it's probably
05:25you.
05:26And I was like,
05:27she's got it.
05:28You are,
05:29you are this series
05:29detective, I think.
05:31Am I?
05:32Yeah, I think so.
05:35Apologies, Amanda.
05:37I'm the new detective.
05:38Oh, no, yeah,
05:39well, you're one of the only people
05:40who's not actually
05:40a police person, so.
05:42Yes.
05:42Yes, no, no.
05:44We've been doing,
05:44because obviously we've had
05:45Jazz of the Christie
05:47in the past.
05:47Jazz of the Christie?
05:48So we've been trying
05:48to think of one for you.
05:49What can mine be?
05:50You're thinking Jessica Fletcher?
05:51Jessica Fletcher.
05:52Oh, okay.
05:54We're happy with that.
05:54I love that.
05:56Harriet, also extraordinary.
05:58Yeah.
05:59I mean, unbelievable.
06:00Yeah, I mean, yeah.
06:01Yeah, there's been
06:02people vying for that title.
06:04I mean, a huge amount
06:05of drama with Harriet
06:06in the talk to the traitors.
06:07It was the greatest,
06:09I think it was
06:09my favourite moment ever.
06:12And I am in the castle
06:14and I'm lucky enough
06:15that I have a monitor,
06:16which I don't leave.
06:17I just start, like,
06:18eating everything,
06:19just staring at it.
06:20And you were talking
06:22to the traitors
06:22and I had to do something
06:24early the next morning
06:25and it was quite late,
06:26as you know,
06:26and they said,
06:27Claudia, you've got to go home
06:28and I was like,
06:29do not even say that to me.
06:31And when you used
06:32the word compunction,
06:33oh.
06:35It was almost erotic, Harriet.
06:38And just the fact
06:40that you knew,
06:40you knew with Hugo as well,
06:42you were so brilliant.
06:44And then that breakfast,
06:45yeah, you were magnificent.
06:47Well, as always, Claudia,
06:53it's been an absolute delight
06:54watching you on the show
06:55and we know
06:56you don't like this bit.
06:57I can't bear it.
06:57But it's the uncloaked finale,
06:59so we have to have a look
07:00at your best bit.
07:06Are they on their way?
07:08Good.
07:09Keep an eye on them.
07:10£1,000 added to the pot
07:17and Sam might die.
07:19Harsh, but true.
07:21Sorry.
07:23Don't mind my friends.
07:24They don't bite
07:25if they're fed.
07:28No, thank you.
07:29No, thank you.
07:30I mean, we've all had
07:31childcare days right now.
07:33Stop the murder!
07:35They're like a police officer.
07:36I know friendships
07:39have been formed,
07:41but please remember,
07:43a friend might be lying to you.
07:45A friend might be planning
07:47to murder you.
07:50Get dry.
07:51For goodness sake,
07:52have a biscuit.
07:54Just when they think
07:55they know how to play.
07:57Bring it to me!
08:00Oh, God.
08:01God.
08:01Sorry.
08:03Faithful,
08:04what are you thinking?
08:06I am genuinely speechless.
08:09Oh, my God!
08:12Woo!
08:16Ha-ha!
08:18I'm going to go
08:19and chop some cheese with it.
08:26We'll be talking
08:27to our endgame players
08:28very soon,
08:29but I'm thrilled
08:29to now welcome to the stage
08:30James and finalist,
08:32James!
08:32Yay!
08:33Yay!
08:33Welcome.
08:37Welcome to Uncloaked.
08:38Both of you are very excited
08:39to have you here with us.
08:40But James,
08:41you were particularly forthright
08:42in your suspicions throughout,
08:44so let's have a look
08:45at the moment
08:45when you and Roxy
08:46finally found out
08:47who the traitors were.
08:48I think I might be in
09:03for a little bit of a shock,
09:04but I have to ask,
09:06what are you, James?
09:08So you're assuming I'm...
09:09A traitor.
09:10Okay.
09:10Absolutely.
09:11So, I'm happy to confirm for you
09:13that I am
09:14a...
09:17Traitful,
09:18graceful,
09:19grateful,
09:21vengeful,
09:22spiteful,
09:23cheerful,
09:24faithful.
09:25Oh, my gosh!
09:26Oh, my gosh!
09:27I'm not faithful!
09:29I'm the worst faithful
09:30in the land at this point.
09:31Me and you were just going out.
09:32I even said, like,
09:33there's a chunk of me
09:34that thinks me and you
09:35are just passionate faithfuls.
09:37We were!
09:37Seeing as you're not a traitor,
09:39who do you think they are?
09:41I think Rachel is.
09:42She's my number one.
09:43Okay.
09:44I'm fearing there's two.
09:46I think Faraz is the other one.
09:48Ooh!
09:49And if there's a third,
09:50which would be ridiculous,
09:52Stephen.
09:53Really?
09:53So you think Jack and Jade
09:54are 100% faithful?
09:55I just can't see it.
09:56Shall we find out?
09:57Yeah, let's do it.
09:58Some blind faithfuls.
09:59I don't even want to know now.
10:01This is horrendous.
10:02Here we go.
10:03Here we go.
10:08Stephen!
10:08Oh, my goodness!
10:11The little...
10:12Honestly, that's mental!
10:15There's not another one.
10:19It's Rachel!
10:21Yes!
10:22Oh, wow, she's toast.
10:24She nearly went,
10:25Faraz, wow, he wasn't.
10:26Oh, no, this is so mental.
10:29I am so sorry for coming at you so hard.
10:30Please don't be sorry.
10:32It kept me in the game
10:33and it probably kept you in the game.
10:38Incredible.
10:40And you can watch
10:40Roxy and James' reactions
10:42later in full
10:43on the BBC Sounds socials.
10:45Now, James.
10:46Hello, sir.
10:47You named both
10:48of the remaining traitors there
10:50as your suspicions.
10:51At what point
10:52did you suspect Rachel?
10:54Because I think
10:54you did have some suspicions
10:55before you left as well, of course.
10:56Yeah, slightly earlier
10:57than I laid out there,
10:59to be honest.
11:00I think she likes me.
11:01I think she gets on with me.
11:02You know, the classic,
11:03blinded by that.
11:04And I think she knows
11:05I trust her.
11:05But I don't.
11:06You know, it was just
11:06too many scrapes.
11:07I thought, if I somehow
11:08get anywhere near the endgame,
11:10I can't end it with her.
11:11And it was narrowing it down
11:12who you can end it with.
11:13There weren't many.
11:15This young lady and Jack
11:16were the only two
11:16I could be as sure
11:17as I could be on
11:18from about halfway
11:19through onwards.
11:20So, I mean,
11:21you're pretty bang on the money, really.
11:23But slightly too late.
11:24I find if you name
11:25every cast member
11:25at least once.
11:28James.
11:29What?
11:30James, I think everyone
11:31would agree
11:31you were a total force
11:32of nature in there.
11:34You were incredible.
11:34Every episode
11:35delivering something entertaining.
11:37And obviously ended it
11:38in fittingly dramatic style
11:39with the chest of chance.
11:41The second chest of chance
11:42of the series,
11:42the third chest of chance
11:44in two series of the traitors.
11:46Talk us through
11:46your final moments
11:47in the game
11:48with those chests.
11:49I mean,
11:49it sounds bizarre,
11:51but as a fanboy,
11:52I'm like,
11:52how have I got here?
11:53Traitor versus faithful
11:54to get into the final.
11:56This is like
11:56the stuff of dreams.
11:57Like, how has this happened?
11:58Now, Jade,
11:59you initially voted for James
12:01in that final roundtable
12:03that he was there for.
12:04And then you switched
12:05your vote to Rachel.
12:06Why did you do that?
12:07Because she's smart.
12:08James' arguments
12:12were just not,
12:14it was just making me
12:15more confused.
12:16And then I was like,
12:17right, take a step back.
12:19Who should I actually
12:19be voting for here?
12:20Who did I walk into
12:21the room with?
12:22And it was Rachel.
12:23So I was like,
12:24this is an opportunity
12:24to rectify that wrong.
12:26Claudia,
12:26that's another third
12:27chest of chance,
12:27like I say,
12:28that we've had
12:28in two series.
12:29I can't.
12:29I can't even.
12:31I don't know what to say
12:31about it because I,
12:33yeah,
12:34I come in with a tray,
12:36which by the way
12:37is much heavier
12:38than it looks.
12:39So I'm like,
12:40hello.
12:42Yeah,
12:43but it's incredibly
12:44dramatic for everybody.
12:45And I think
12:46the final plea
12:48is a really good opportunity.
12:50Both you and Rachel
12:51did it brilliantly.
12:52And then the idea
12:53that two of you swapped
12:54and then there was
12:55still a deadline.
12:55Oh, it was amazing.
12:56Yeah, both me and Jack
12:57swapping and it was like,
12:59oh no, we've both done it.
13:00So what to do now?
13:01There have been a lot
13:02of theories going.
13:03I can tell from
13:03how they pick it up
13:04which one's got the,
13:05you can't,
13:06you can't tell.
13:07Absolutely not.
13:08James, you were
13:08absolutely convinced
13:09throughout the series
13:10that Matthew was a traitor.
13:12I still am.
13:13Even goes.
13:14He's trick production,
13:15I'm telling you.
13:16He's such a smooth operator,
13:17that guy.
13:17He tried his best.
13:18He's amazing.
13:19He really wanted to be one.
13:20What were the biggest clues
13:21for you that Matthew
13:22was a traitor?
13:23I've never played poker
13:24to an amazing level,
13:25but I used to earn a living
13:26doing it for a while.
13:26And the first few seconds,
13:28the blindfold comes off.
13:29I was a bit cheesed off.
13:31It wasn't,
13:31but I was doing that
13:32when Claudia walked
13:32behind me the whole time.
13:33That's all right.
13:34I forgive you.
13:36And everyone else
13:37was doing that.
13:38Obviously, I know
13:38a lot of them are acting.
13:39And Matthew was just stood
13:40like that.
13:41It looked like a deer
13:42in the headlights
13:42for a few seconds.
13:44And I did ask him,
13:44I thought you looked
13:45quite stunned.
13:45And he didn't really
13:46have an answer to it.
13:47And he's a really smart guy.
13:48I thought,
13:49this guy can carry it off.
13:50He turns on the style
13:51at the round tables.
13:51He hides in the shadows a bit.
13:53I'm the only one
13:54shouting his name.
13:54I must be keeping him in.
13:55I've solved it.
13:56No.
13:57You know.
13:58Matthew,
13:59what was it like
13:59in your final day
14:00in the castle,
14:01knowing that James
14:02had his sights set on you
14:03and, of course,
14:03he had the ceremonial dagger?
14:04Love you, mate.
14:05Yeah.
14:06You have to have hope
14:08because anything can happen.
14:10But I did feel like
14:11the odds were stacked
14:12against me.
14:12I do regret not
14:14making it plainly obvious
14:16at that last round table
14:17that I didn't think
14:17you were a traitor.
14:19Because I didn't.
14:20I just did not believe
14:20you were a traitor.
14:21No, no.
14:21Yeah.
14:22You thought I was, though.
14:23Yeah.
14:24Right, no.
14:25Yeah.
14:26Hi.
14:26My family are very
14:27disappointed in me.
14:28It's feeling a lot more
14:33like an American chat show
14:34this week.
14:34Oh, yeah, yeah.
14:35You guys.
14:36But it's...
14:37I just want to say this
14:38on behalf of...
14:39It's impossible
14:40if you don't know.
14:41Yeah, yeah.
14:42And it's so easy
14:43when you're watching the telly
14:44and you do.
14:45Jade,
14:45after James' departure
14:46following the chest of chance,
14:48you were confirmed
14:49as one of the final five.
14:50However,
14:51despite battling players'
14:52suspicions
14:53since the very first round table,
14:54they finally acted on them
14:55in this final episode.
14:56Let's take a look
14:58at the moment
14:58where you found out
14:59the identity of the traitors
15:00shortly after leaving the game.
15:06I did see it coming.
15:08I said I was being set up
15:09for banishment
15:09for a while now,
15:10so it did catch me off guard
15:12that it would happen
15:13so close to the final.
15:15You do start picturing
15:16who you're going to stand
15:16at that bonfire with,
15:18and I think when you start
15:19kind of picturing it in your head,
15:20you're manifesting it quite a lot.
15:22So it was so close
15:25and yet so far
15:27at the same time.
15:28I think there are two traitors
15:30left in the castle,
15:31and I think one of them
15:32is Faraz.
15:34Throughout the kind of
15:35whole of the game,
15:36I had to kind of
15:37take advantage of the situation
15:38that I was put in
15:39and see who was really
15:41pushing me for banishment.
15:43And Faraz,
15:43I feel like that round table,
15:44was kind of desperate
15:45to get me banished.
15:47Like, everything that had been
15:48worked up at this point
15:49was suddenly kind of paying off.
15:51And I feel Rachel played
15:53a really instrumental role
15:54in that,
15:55because, you know,
15:55Jack, Steve, and I
15:56are a little trio,
15:58in a sense.
15:59So they've got to be
16:00working together, I think.
16:02After everything the traitors
16:03have put me through,
16:04I cannot wait to find out
16:06who they are.
16:18Rachel.
16:19Yeah.
16:20It's difficult.
16:21Yeah.
16:22That.
16:23I mean, I said it,
16:25didn't I?
16:27I'm glad I was right
16:28about one thing.
16:29That's really gratifying
16:30to be in that situation.
16:36Stephen.
16:38Okay.
16:40The thing is, right,
16:41when someone's that close to you,
16:43you don't look at it
16:44for what it is.
16:45And having walked out
16:46of that round table
16:47and seeing how he voted for me,
16:49it would have been too late
16:50to recognize who that person was.
16:52Damn.
16:53Stephen's playing a phenomenal game.
16:57100%.
16:58Yeah.
16:59I've lost a lot of words, really.
17:03And Stephen,
17:04he had me in his back pocket.
17:10Yeah.
17:11Yeah.
17:13Stephen, Stephen had you in his back pocket.
17:15Yeah.
17:15It's one of the benefits
17:16of wearing such massive trousers.
17:17I know.
17:18I'm a big person.
17:20A lot to unpack there
17:22from that reveal.
17:23Let's start with Rachel.
17:24You were suspicious of her
17:25and thought she and Faraz
17:26were playing as a traitor team.
17:28Had you had suspicions
17:29of Rachel earlier in the game
17:30or did the thoughts form
17:31a little bit later on?
17:32It was pretty early.
17:33There was a conversation
17:34that I'd had with Sam
17:35and Rachel in the kitchen
17:36where I, you know,
17:37told them about
17:38what had happened
17:39on the chariot mission.
17:40And that information
17:43got round so fast.
17:46Yeah.
17:47And I was like,
17:49well, Sam was in a unique situation
17:51like I was.
17:52Rachel was the only other person
17:53in that room.
17:54And I was like,
17:54that's a little red flag.
17:56So it started then.
17:57And then, you know,
17:59Amanda and the policing training
18:02just kept being brought up regardless.
18:04And I was like,
18:05well, you're pushing a narrative
18:06and she's banished from the castle
18:07and you're still bringing up
18:08Amanda's name.
18:10So, yeah.
18:11And the Stephen reveal,
18:13you mentioned that you,
18:14Stephen and Jack
18:15had been a bit of a trio.
18:16How did it feel
18:17seeing Stephen's name
18:18on the scroll?
18:20I think after he'd written
18:22my name down
18:23at the round table,
18:25the pin dropped.
18:26And you don't quite realise
18:28how blind you are
18:29because I felt quite vulnerable
18:31going through the game
18:32because I'd had so much heat
18:33and it was really important
18:34for me especially
18:34to have backing,
18:36people that I feel
18:37would have my back.
18:38And Stephen was just one of them.
18:40And then, yeah,
18:40when he put my name down,
18:42it was,
18:42oh, okay, right.
18:45You see the game
18:45in the moment, don't you?
18:45You see the game
18:46and you see literally
18:47how it's all played out,
18:48but then it's too late
18:49by then
18:50because you're going
18:50out the door.
18:51Of course.
18:52Now, one of the major theories
18:53around you being a traitor
18:54was that Amanda
18:55thought you were a traitor
18:56and Amanda was
18:57in the police force.
18:58Yeah.
18:59Amanda,
19:00how does it feel
19:01watching it back
19:02knowing that
19:03you were part of the game
19:04long after you left?
19:05I didn't realise
19:08I was going to be
19:08such a part of it
19:10when I was actually
19:11not in the castle.
19:12I just want to say,
19:13Jade,
19:14I apologise.
19:15We've apologised.
19:15I've apologised over beers,
19:17but I just want to apologise
19:18and say you played
19:19an absolute blinder
19:21all the way through
19:22and you just kept going.
19:24So, well done to you.
19:26Well done to you.
19:27Great.
19:32James and Jade,
19:33it's been an absolute pleasure
19:34speaking with you.
19:34Everyone give it up
19:35for finalist James.
19:36Jesse.
19:39Thank you, James.
19:43James,
19:43shortly,
19:44I'm going to ask you
19:45to join our front row
19:46of traitfuls
19:47as they will now
19:48be known forevermore.
19:49Goodbye.
19:50Now,
19:50Rachel and Stephen
19:51will be joining us
19:52very shortly
19:53for their very first
19:54post-win interview,
19:55but first,
19:55I'll be having a chat
19:56with our runners-up
19:57Jack and Faraz.
19:58Here is the moment
19:59where they both found out
20:00the identities of the traitors
20:01just moments
20:02after leaving the endgame.
20:04Rachel,
20:12grandma's dummy.
20:14Grandma's dummy.
20:15Oh, no.
20:18Oh, no.
20:20Here we go.
20:22Here we go.
20:26Rachel.
20:26And Stephen.
20:30Whoa.
20:33Richard, Stephen.
20:34I knew it.
20:36After all.
20:38Oh.
20:39At least I got one right.
20:42I got...
20:42I got one out of four.
20:44They obviously had a tactic.
20:47They had a strategy.
20:49And they executed it
20:50with perfection
20:51because they've won.
20:52Stephen definitely
20:53played a smart game.
20:54So I was on to Stephen
20:56when he came back
20:57into the Mazz
20:57as well.
20:59Oh, mate.
21:00I actually am not bad
21:02at this game then
21:02to be fair.
21:03I just need to stop
21:04changing my mind.
21:05It is nice to know
21:06I was the last remaining
21:08faithful in the game.
21:10And
21:10I can lead this game
21:13with my head held high
21:15knowing that I played
21:17with integrity,
21:18honesty,
21:19and I was just myself.
21:21Rachel and Stephen
21:22have definitely took the coin
21:23home and split it.
21:24Yeah, I feel sorry for Jack.
21:26I think he'll be absolutely gutted.
21:28But, yeah,
21:29Rachel and Stephen,
21:30to be fair to them,
21:30especially Rachel,
21:31I feel as if she deserves it,
21:32the game she's played.
21:37A huge round of applause,
21:38please,
21:38for straight-six finalists,
21:40Faraz and Jack!
21:44Welcome.
21:45Welcome,
21:45both of you,
21:46so I'm close.
21:47Faraz,
21:48let's start with you.
21:49Talk us through
21:50that final day in the game.
21:51How were you feeling?
21:52The final day
21:53was honestly a blur.
21:54Like, I think I was just
21:55buzzing to be there,
21:55to be honest.
21:56And then, obviously,
21:57breakfast,
21:57just stuck my face
21:58in that,
21:59ridding myself for the day.
22:00But, no, honestly,
22:02it was just,
22:02it was just an unreal feeling,
22:04just making it.
22:05There's so many shots
22:05of you just absolutely
22:06wolfing down food.
22:08I'm a growing lad,
22:09aren't I?
22:09I'm a growing lad.
22:10I need,
22:10I need my five a day.
22:11That was my mission.
22:13It's not the missions in the day.
22:14He was getting the food in.
22:15You know,
22:15five a day relates to fruit
22:16and vegetables
22:16and not full meals.
22:17Yeah.
22:18Five plates.
22:20Jack, what about you?
22:21Same question.
22:21What was your plan
22:22for that final day?
22:23It's so hard, isn't it?
22:24Like, when you come into
22:25the final day,
22:25like, we're all looking
22:26forward to the mission.
22:27I was absolutely buzzing
22:28for the mission,
22:28but your head is just
22:30so mangled at that point.
22:31And I know,
22:32as the viewers,
22:32you sit there,
22:33you think,
22:33oh, it's so easy,
22:34it's so obvious,
22:34but my head was a total mess
22:36about who to vote for.
22:37You know,
22:38it's so hard coming
22:39to that last round table.
22:41I bet.
22:41Yeah.
22:41What about you, Jade?
22:42Because obviously,
22:43you're going into that final day.
22:44Are you worried
22:45that you're going to go
22:45before the end game?
22:46Could you see the right?
22:47I was set up for banishment.
22:48My days were so limited.
22:50I made my peace with it
22:51very early on,
22:52and I was like,
22:53I will not go gently
22:54into that night.
22:56But, yeah,
22:57I mean,
22:58I'm amazed I got as far
22:59as I did, to be honest,
23:00but I knew it was
23:00just an hour of time.
23:02Faraz,
23:02now,
23:02you've also been dubbed
23:03as a bit of a detective
23:04this series.
23:05Faraz of the Christie's
23:06been flying around.
23:07Oh, yes.
23:08Long laugh, didn't he?
23:10Well, you went for Rachel.
23:11I think we were all,
23:12it was limbs in my house.
23:13We were so excited.
23:14He's going to get Rachel.
23:16And then,
23:17you sort of
23:18had a little bit of a nap
23:18and changed your mind.
23:20Yeah.
23:21Sounds about right.
23:21What is it that made
23:22your suspicions wane?
23:24I think it was just
23:25the way she reacted.
23:26Yeah.
23:26To me,
23:27as soon as the round table,
23:28like,
23:28she was so calm,
23:29and I resonated with the fact
23:30that if you were to stand up
23:32there as a faithful,
23:33you want to just rub it
23:34in the face,
23:34sort of as a last hurrah,
23:36and that's exactly
23:36how I would have felt,
23:37so I think it was just that,
23:38and I was like,
23:39yeah,
23:40that's like,
23:41obviously as a faithful,
23:42knowing why I am,
23:43I thought that's it,
23:44that it probably,
23:46she's not a traitor
23:46in that sort of respect.
23:48I guess you're,
23:49it's so difficult,
23:50isn't it,
23:50that you decide one thing
23:52and then probably so easily
23:54convinced in the other direction
23:55because you simply don't know.
23:56That's what it is,
23:56like,
23:57when you're in the castle,
23:58when you're playing the game,
23:59things change,
23:59like,
24:00in a matter of moments,
24:00and you can't really anticipate
24:02where things are going to go,
24:03and to be fair to her,
24:04she was, like,
24:05really convincing and stuff,
24:06and she was smart,
24:07she was calculating,
24:08she knew what she was doing,
24:09so,
24:10yeah,
24:10and she was organized,
24:11I mean,
24:12if you've now seen the,
24:14the Rachel and Stephen
24:15plotting pre-endgame,
24:16they were organized,
24:17they knew what they were doing,
24:18do you think there's anything
24:19that you two could have done
24:21to stop them pre-endgame?
24:23I think we probably could have
24:24had a few more chats,
24:25couldn't we,
24:26and just sort of
24:26had that plan in place,
24:28like,
24:28I said that plan to you,
24:29I didn't even follow up myself,
24:30so,
24:30I don't even know.
24:33We've been over it
24:34a hundred times,
24:34haven't we?
24:35It's endlessly frustrating,
24:36you go over and over,
24:37but I think the reality is,
24:39like,
24:39particularly in that
24:40very last round table
24:42or the end game,
24:43I was sort of
24:43set on Rachel,
24:44Fraz was set on Stephen,
24:45and we were both going
24:46for traitors,
24:47but just two different traitors,
24:48and I think we just
24:48weren't voting together,
24:50I think that was the thing,
24:51wasn't it?
24:51I think it's hard
24:51to accept the fact
24:52that we were both right
24:53and both wrong.
24:54I know,
24:54yes,
24:55true.
24:55Well,
24:55you were very won over
24:56by Fraz,
24:56Jack,
24:57you seemed to be
24:58siding with him,
24:59why did you choose him
25:00over Rachel?
25:01I just,
25:02I think Fraz and I
25:03had a little,
25:03like,
25:04bro bond on day one,
25:05like,
25:05yeah,
25:06on day one,
25:07we sat next to each other
25:08on the train,
25:09we just clicked straight away,
25:10and I just,
25:11he was one of those people,
25:11I had a little book
25:12and I wrote who I thought
25:13was like faithful,
25:14who I thought was a traitor,
25:15and I put a percentage on it,
25:15and Fraz was pretty much
25:16always 100% faithful
25:18for me,
25:18the whole way through.
25:19At the very end,
25:21there was that small
25:21slither of doubt,
25:22but like,
25:22as there is for all
25:23the players,
25:24you know what I mean?
25:25But,
25:25it was just,
25:26it was so hard at the end,
25:28and I think as well,
25:29ironically,
25:30Stephen was someone I had
25:31as almost the whole way
25:32through 100% faithful.
25:33It was only at the very end
25:34that I started to look at him,
25:35which is crazy,
25:36considering all the evidence
25:37that was put against him
25:38throughout the game,
25:38but it just goes to show,
25:39doesn't it?
25:40It's such a hard game.
25:41Well, look,
25:42you are all fantastic players,
25:43we loved watching you,
25:44a massive round of applause
25:45for Fraz,
25:45Jack and Jay!
25:50Well,
25:51the time has come
25:53to finally hear
25:54from our winners,
25:55Rachel and Stephen.
25:56Here's the moment
25:57the traitors seized
25:58their historic win.
26:00I'll be honest,
26:01I had moments
26:02where I was doubting
26:03what I was going to do
26:04tonight,
26:06but I had,
26:08I couldn't go back
26:10on my word to you,
26:11it just wasn't worth
26:11the money,
26:12and I couldn't,
26:13I couldn't have walked
26:13out of here by,
26:15by lying to you.
26:16Two traitors
26:17but totally faithful
26:19to each other.
26:21You did it.
26:22You absolutely did it.
26:24Congratulations.
26:25I'm so proud of you,
26:26honestly.
26:26I'm so proud of you.
26:27I'm so proud of you.
26:28Oh,
26:29thank you.
26:31I'm so proud of you.
26:35Incredible.
26:37Absolutely.
26:38I'll be honest.
26:39I'm so proud of you.
26:39Woo!
26:43Welcome.
26:43Welcome from both of you.
26:45Congratulations.
26:46Thank you very much.
26:46Our two traitor champions.
26:48You are both incredible
26:49throughout the game.
26:50I want a quick reflection
26:51from both of you.
26:51How does it feel
26:52watching that back?
26:53Rachel, you first of all.
26:55A lot more emotional
26:56than I remember.
26:57I don't think I was
26:58like letting my nerves
26:59shine through
27:00because I knew
27:01what I was going to do
27:02but I was so nervous
27:03with Stephen
27:04so watching it back
27:05it kind of,
27:05it got me a little bit,
27:07made me cry.
27:08Nervous that he was
27:08going to change his mind.
27:11Nervous that I wasn't
27:12going to change his mind.
27:13Yeah.
27:14I don't know what goes on
27:14on that little head of his.
27:16You don't want to.
27:18What about you Stephen?
27:19How does it feel
27:19watching it back?
27:21Unlike Rachel,
27:22I didn't know
27:22what I was going to do
27:23and watching it back,
27:26I mean,
27:28I think I can,
27:28I can see in my face
27:30I've got quite
27:31an expressive face
27:33as I think.
27:34Oh really?
27:34You might have
27:35picked up on already.
27:37You know,
27:38you're just a meme generator now.
27:39Yeah.
27:39Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:40Every emotion possible.
27:42See,
27:43I never knew
27:43I had an expressive face
27:44so this is news to me.
27:46And what face did you make
27:47when you found out?
27:49But, yeah,
27:54I think just watching it back,
27:56you know,
27:57I'm just so,
27:58so proud of the decision
27:59that I made,
28:00proud of myself
28:01and just proud of the game
28:02that Rachel played as well.
28:03I think it couldn't really
28:05go any better, so.
28:06Well, let's talk about
28:07the pact,
28:07the pact that you made
28:08by the family tree
28:09that you wouldn't write
28:10each other's names down
28:11on the slate.
28:12I will hold my hands up
28:13and apologise
28:14that every single episode
28:15of Uncloaked
28:15when the pact comes up
28:16I say,
28:17the pact's worth nothing.
28:18We know, we know.
28:20We were watching
28:21and I couldn't wait
28:22for this moment.
28:25To be fair to me,
28:26history told me
28:27that the pact would not stick.
28:29No one has ever stuck
28:29to a pact like that.
28:30Even the people
28:31making the pact
28:31know that they're not
28:32going to stick to it.
28:33So both of you
28:34in that moment
28:34when you made it
28:35you thought
28:35we're absolutely sticking to it.
28:38I knew from the minute
28:39it came out of my mouth
28:40I wouldn't break it.
28:41I knew that
28:42and I just thought
28:42you have to think
28:43really fast in this game
28:44and you have to kind of
28:45navigate and go with the flow
28:47and I just thought
28:48at that moment
28:49no, this is a new game for me
28:50and I'm not breaking that.
28:52Yeah, that's not
28:53what I was thinking.
28:58It's so hard
28:59to trust someone in there
29:00whose job it is to lie,
29:03you know?
29:04And so,
29:05yeah, I was really struggling
29:07to see how Rachel
29:08could hold on
29:09to that pact
29:09for the whole game
29:10which is why
29:12towards the end
29:13like I was
29:14wobbling big time.
29:17I'm just so glad
29:18that she's a woman
29:19of her word.
29:20Well, you both had
29:21a lot of stuff
29:21to deal with
29:22throughout the whole game.
29:23Obviously,
29:23the secret traitor,
29:25the dastardly Fiona.
29:27When Fiona
29:28revealed herself
29:29did you initially
29:31trust her, Stephen?
29:32Did you think
29:33you could trust her?
29:34I did, yeah.
29:35I think myself
29:36and Fiona
29:37got on really well
29:38and if there was
29:40anyone that I
29:41wanted it to be,
29:43I wanted it to be
29:44Fiona
29:45but I didn't think
29:45it would be.
29:48I was so chuffed
29:49when she walked
29:50into that turret.
29:51Yeah.
29:51We all were.
29:53Yeah.
29:53Yeah, yeah.
29:54I don't think
29:54we all were.
29:55No.
29:56No.
29:56We weren't, no.
30:02Well, Rachel,
30:03obviously,
30:03you came to blows
30:05with Fiona
30:05a little bit.
30:06Yeah.
30:07When she accused
30:08herself in the kitchen,
30:10talk us through
30:10that moment.
30:11What was going
30:11through your mind?
30:13I just thought
30:14this is,
30:14this is great crack.
30:16I was like this
30:16because I was nervous
30:17for the first part
30:18of the game
30:19and then,
30:20and I love games.
30:21I am so competitive.
30:22I love them
30:22and Fiona reminded me
30:24that this is a game.
30:26These are all adults
30:27going to play a game.
30:28It was like
30:29the laughs we had
30:30but yeah,
30:31it took me about
30:32three seconds
30:32when she dropped
30:33her cloak
30:33and I just thought
30:34no.
30:35She dropped the hood
30:36and I was like
30:37no, she's going
30:38to throw me
30:38under the bus.
30:38I just didn't think
30:40she was going
30:40to move.
30:41Was it when she said
30:42Bolt and just
30:43straight away
30:43go for me
30:44but she's phenomenal.
30:45I mean bringing
30:46the cloak back
30:46and saying
30:47haven't I been
30:47wonderful
30:48was probably
30:48she loved it
30:52and that line
30:52I'm drunk on par
30:53I was like
30:53I know you are.
30:55But she made it
30:57so much fun
30:58and like that reaction
30:59in the kitchen
30:59when she says
31:00I think you're a traitor
31:01and I burst out laughing
31:02and I thought
31:02this is brilliant.
31:03Yeah, it was amazing.
31:04This is hilarious.
31:05How did that feel
31:05for you Claudia
31:06because obviously
31:06you weren't in the kitchen
31:07when that happened.
31:08I was watching
31:09I was watching
31:09and my mouth
31:10was I mean
31:11I had to hold it up
31:12with both my hands
31:13and my feet.
31:14I was like
31:14what is going on?
31:15What's happening?
31:17What?
31:17No, Fiona
31:18stop, stop, stop, stop.
31:21Can I just go down?
31:21No, you can't.
31:22Can I just
31:22could I just get a message
31:24to write something
31:25in an apple?
31:26It was unbelievable.
31:28But yeah
31:28you acted very fast.
31:30You were like
31:30no, no
31:30I'm not doing this.
31:31Come on everybody
31:31I need to tell everyone.
31:33Fiona
31:33were you disappointed
31:35that Stephen sided
31:36with Rachel
31:36at your final round table?
31:38No, not at all.
31:40I knew my time was up
31:42to be honest with you
31:43and I just loved every minute
31:45and I've said
31:46all the way along
31:47it was team traitor
31:48I wanted you to be there
31:51and I just had
31:53the best fun ever.
31:56It was wonderful
31:58and to play with
31:59all these wonderful people
32:00all my contestants here
32:02was
32:03oh I can't begin to tell you
32:05how excited I was
32:06every single day.
32:08Rachel you barely got a chance
32:10to relax after that.
32:12you barely got a chance
32:13to relax
32:14because then you had
32:14a showdown with Harriet.
32:16Was that something
32:17you were expecting
32:18in the talk to the traitors?
32:20No.
32:20You talk about
32:21being blindsided
32:23and me and Harriet
32:24had a lovely relationship
32:25in the castle
32:26and I remember
32:27sitting in the library
32:27and we were just
32:28chatting about the questions
32:29and I thought
32:30Harriet's knackered
32:31and she can't come up
32:32with the questions
32:33and blah blah blah
32:33and I just thought
32:34right it's
32:36it's Maddie
32:36that we need to worry about
32:37he's going to blindside us
32:38and then when the boots
32:40come in
32:40and the round table
32:41at Trader's Pit
32:42Claudia's boots
32:42are like clunk
32:44clunk clunk
32:45sorry
32:45that was nothing
32:46on Harriet walking in
32:47because it's obviously
32:50you know it's very quiet
32:51the boots come in
32:52and then she started speaking
32:53and I thought
32:54I just want to go home.
32:57She scared the life out of me
32:58but it was brilliant
32:59it was absolutely brilliant.
33:00Harriet how does it feel
33:01to see Rachel get so far
33:02and then win the game
33:03despite your best efforts?
33:05Oh I mean
33:05I've been beaten
33:07by the master
33:08and she is superb
33:10she is I think
33:11that when you see
33:13how an alliance
33:14formed between traitors
33:15just wipes the floor
33:17with everyone
33:17I mean I'm so pleased
33:19that you stuck to it
33:20both of you to the end
33:21and I mean Rachel
33:23watching you through
33:24the whole series
33:25you've just been fantastic
33:27so calm
33:28collected
33:29strategic
33:30completely outplayed
33:32all of us
33:33you know
33:33brilliant.
33:34Badass.
33:35Yeah.
33:36Yeah.
33:38But of course
33:41both of you
33:43flew perilously
33:44close to the sun
33:45on numerous occasions
33:46I mean there was
33:48one moment
33:48everyone was talking
33:49about when you were
33:50next to the family tree
33:51trying to work out
33:52how to mark the people
33:53on the family tree
33:54and of course
33:55Rhys was stood there
33:56you were worried about that
34:00weren't you Stephen
34:00that Rhys had seen you
34:01both next to the family tree
34:03and was sent away
34:04so you could have a conversation
34:05yeah
34:06when Rachel asked Rhys to leave
34:09I think you saw my world
34:10disintegrate in front of my eyes
34:12no hang on
34:12he offered to leave
34:13he offered to leave
34:15okay sorry
34:15I'm rewriting history
34:17but I was terrified
34:20I mean I don't know
34:23how he didn't bring it up
34:24the next day
34:25sorry Rhys
34:26well I mean luckily
34:27we've given him a microphone
34:28so Rachel
34:28how did you not bring that up
34:30I'm sweating
34:31I'm sweating for one
34:32right now
34:32the battering I have had
34:34by the way
34:34from family friends
34:35even cast
34:36of mental
34:38it's hard
34:39to see
34:40like the next day
34:41we had the early banishment
34:42obviously it was Ross
34:43my name was already being
34:45thrown through the dirt
34:46and I was never
34:47Stephen Fairplay to him
34:48was hard on pushing
34:50on Maz was at the family tree
34:51last night
34:51and I was never going to be like
34:52so was I by the way
34:53I was also there
34:55so I was just
34:55in my chair
34:57sitting down
34:57no one mentioned me
34:59and then I was like
34:59I'll mention it after the table
35:00if I get through
35:00no you won't
35:01you'll go in a cage
35:02and then Fiona won't bother
35:03trying to get you out of the cage
35:04so you'll stay in the cage
35:05and then it just
35:06one thing led to another
35:07and it just never came up for me
35:08but was I a bit naive
35:09I'll let you answer that
35:11but you didn't want to
35:13implicate yourself essentially
35:14you didn't want to put yourself
35:15next to the family tree
35:16as well as Rachel and Stephen
35:17I was just trying to learn Latin
35:18I don't know
35:18what's the deal
35:19I walked out of the kitchen
35:21they didn't come with me
35:22let's go guys
35:23people go into the castle
35:24for different reasons
35:25and I think Latin
35:25is an admirable one
35:26educational purposes
35:28I reckon
35:29Stephen you also had to get through
35:31the library five theory
35:32I did
35:33which was absolutely
35:34it's a spot on theory
35:35from Jesse
35:36the library five theory
35:37but it didn't really gain
35:39traction
35:39how do you think
35:40you got away with that
35:41I hope and a prayer
35:43I think
35:43to be honest
35:44it is
35:46that
35:47I think
35:48was the first time
35:49I realised that
35:50I wasn't really cut out
35:52to play this game
35:53strategically
35:53I just
35:54like I made that move
35:55and it wasn't until
35:57Jesse brought it up to me
35:58the next day
35:59and said
35:59I think Ross has been framed
36:00I was shocked
36:02that
36:03I had
36:04got myself
36:04into that mess
36:05and I knew then
36:07I had to play
36:08more of a social game
36:09than a strategic game
36:10because I clearly
36:11wasn't very good
36:11at like
36:12seeing where the lines
36:13would lead back to me
36:14I'm amazed
36:17that
36:17I'm amazed
36:18I'm sat here
36:19in the first place
36:20to be honest
36:20I think
36:21Jesse
36:21is such
36:23a switched on person
36:25and every single thing
36:26she said about me
36:27obviously was 100% accurate
36:29and
36:30just a phenomenal player
36:32and I think
36:32really
36:33she'd be so proud
36:33of herself
36:34with how she came across
36:35because
36:35just an amazing person
36:36so well done
36:37yes
36:38there were
36:42amongst you as Traces
36:44there were a couple
36:45of verbal slip ups
36:46as well
36:46I mean we saw
36:47in that final episode
36:50Rachel
36:50you saying
36:51if I was a faithful
36:52big whoopsie
36:54I can't even remember
36:55saying that
36:56oh so you didn't
36:57even register it
36:58when you said it
36:58did you not hear
37:00the cameras all zoom in
37:01on you
37:01I watched it
37:03and then I thought
37:04oh god
37:04I can't remember
37:05those words coming
37:06out of my mouth
37:07and then luckily
37:07nobody else really
37:09remembered
37:09I was too focused
37:12on Jack's upset
37:13I was too busy crying
37:14I didn't even notice
37:15what he said
37:16I was too busy
37:17eating blueberries
37:18so you guys
37:21didn't notice
37:22any slip ups
37:23from these two
37:23there were no
37:24alarm bells going
37:25Stephen do you
37:25remember that time
37:26at the table
37:26I saw a TikTok
37:28of you saying
37:28when we discussed
37:29this last night
37:30instead of this morning
37:31as in last night
37:32in the turret
37:32and none of us
37:33clocked that you said it
37:34yeah I did
37:35I did say
37:35when I thought
37:37about this last night
37:38and again
37:39like Rachel
37:39I have no recollection
37:40of saying that
37:41and when I watched
37:43that episode back
37:44I was screaming
37:44at the TV
37:45like what are you doing
37:46you know
37:47but I think
37:48you can also tell
37:49that I didn't quite
37:50realise the gravity
37:51of the mistake
37:52I'd made
37:52because I think
37:53if I had known
37:54that I'd slipped up
37:54so badly
37:55I would have then
37:56continued to
37:57like
37:57you know
37:58degrade from there on
37:59so I think
38:01I just didn't realise
38:02I made the mistake
38:02and
38:03that's for the best
38:04isn't it
38:04because you're then
38:05digging a hole
38:05and next thing you're saying
38:06you am into a tracer
38:07you know
38:08yeah I am what I am
38:09I think whilst you're there
38:11as well
38:12you sometimes
38:12give people
38:13benefit of the doubt
38:14because everything's
38:15happening so fast
38:16and stuff
38:16like daft little
38:17slip ups like that
38:18well it doesn't seem
38:19daft now
38:19slip ups like that
38:20like you sort of
38:21let people get away with
38:22because people can
38:23stumble over the words
38:24and stuff like that
38:25so sometimes you do
38:26let it fly under the radar
38:27that's exactly right
38:28and also not to harp back
38:29Alan Carr
38:30couldn't say the words
38:31I am a faithful
38:32that bursting out laughing
38:33and everyone else
38:34ran and went
38:35aww
38:35yeah
38:36so again
38:38when you're in there
38:39when you're in the castle
38:40somebody says something
38:41it doesn't lodge
38:42no
38:42please don't compare
38:44these people to the
38:44celebrity faithful
38:45those guys were awful
38:46you guys
38:50did you notice
38:51Rachel and Stephen
38:52being close in the castle
38:53did you see them
38:54like chatting to each other
38:55or
38:55this was the thing
38:57that really frustrated me
38:58because I
38:58had a little notebook
39:00and I wrote down
39:00everyone's names
39:01and I drew lines
39:02from who I saw
39:03would talk to each other
39:04and the only two people
39:05and I didn't realise
39:06this until way too late
39:07the only two lines
39:08I didn't draw a name between
39:09was Stephen and Rachel
39:11literally never saw them
39:12and I was literally
39:13staring at that paper
39:14like who is not connected
39:16but it was literally
39:17in front of me
39:17so it was straight in
39:18I think they'd done well
39:19to sort of hide
39:21in plain sight really
39:22because I was the same
39:23didn't really notice
39:23them speaking
39:24much at all
39:24not bad for her grandma
39:25yeah
39:26not so bad for her granny
39:27like
39:28I want to get
39:30a tattoo of grandma's dummy
39:32that is so funny
39:33brilliant
39:34Rachel now
39:35now the question on
39:35everyone's lips
39:36let's talk
39:38FBI training
39:39tell us more about
39:41this FBI training
39:42what did it entail
39:43is it available
39:44to the rest of us
39:45so I was very careful
39:47with my words
39:47I said I did it
39:49I was trained
39:49by a former FBI agent
39:51that's correct
39:53but a really
39:54loose
39:55interpretation of it
39:56so the
39:58four month
39:58online course
39:59was more like
40:00a one day course
40:01and an e-book
40:02but still
40:05by a former FBI agent
40:07so it was
40:07tactical skills
40:09and negotiating
40:10with difficult people
40:10and there was
40:1121 very difficult
40:12people in that castle
40:13and the art
40:15of micro expressions
40:15and stuff
40:16which
40:16you know
40:17I just thought
40:18if I have something
40:19there that I tried
40:20if I was a faithful
40:21I had skills
40:22or I prepared
40:23but that just
40:24it's taken on
40:25a life of its own
40:26well and it probably
40:26put the fear of God
40:27into people as well
40:28when you're announcing
40:28that you've got
40:29FBI training
40:29did that
40:31did that
40:31did that scare you
40:32when you heard that
40:33yeah
40:33you're saying to Fraz
40:34that I had a
40:35clench in my jaw
40:36and obviously
40:36you're going to believe it
40:37yeah I was like
40:38yeah I've seen that
40:39I've seen that
40:39I don't think I ever
40:40know
40:41because I
40:42I said
40:43I said Jade had a clench
40:44in your jaw
40:44on this side
40:45and he says
40:45yeah I've seen it
40:46and he's sitting this side
40:47I don't think
40:49you ought to say that one
40:50but like
40:52it's the art
40:53of distraction
40:54it's anything but me
40:55don't speak about me
40:56and just speak about
40:57somebody else out there
40:58so it worked
40:58but that's what I love
40:59so much about you two
41:00is you did it for each other
41:01throughout
41:02when you watch it back
41:04from the moment
41:05that you decided
41:06and that was
41:07I'm not saying
41:08a casual alliance
41:08but you were in a hall
41:09where people were looking
41:11and you did it
41:11it's not like
41:12let's sit down
41:13and work this out
41:13you just decided
41:14I love the fact
41:16that anybody came
41:16for one of you
41:17the other person
41:18picked something up
41:19and just went
41:19look over there
41:20yeah
41:20yeah yeah
41:21and people didn't see
41:22that very often
41:23you know
41:23I know
41:24yeah but we did
41:25have each other's back
41:26up until the end
41:27we did
41:27well
41:28we did have each other's back
41:29and I think that was
41:30the hardest thing
41:31to have each other's back
41:32silently
41:32you know
41:33like and
41:33obviously you saw my face drop
41:36when Rachel told me
41:37in the turret
41:37that you know
41:38if I hear
41:39that she's been saying my name
41:41not to panic
41:42and what
41:42I mean the first thing
41:43I do is panic
41:44right
41:44but I think
41:46but I think
41:46it's just
41:47up until that point
41:48we had been really good
41:49and I think for her
41:50when she said that to me
41:52it was absolutely
41:52the right thing to do
41:53right
41:54we can't
41:54as traitors
41:55be defending each other
41:56too overtly
41:57but
41:58yeah I think
41:59up until that point
42:00I just
42:00always thought
42:01you had
42:02you were kind of
42:03actively defending me
42:04which obviously
42:04would have been
42:04really stupid
42:05because
42:05look at me
42:07and
42:08and yes
42:09I think that's when
42:09I started to panic
42:10kind of towards
42:11the latter part of the game
42:12and maybe start to
42:12throw your name out
42:13a bit too much
42:14I think at the end
42:15well Rachel
42:15the big panic for you
42:16in the game
42:17was the chest of chance
42:18you came so close
42:19to being banished
42:20can you talk us through
42:21that round table
42:21do you know what
42:23myself and James
42:24have spoken about this
42:25and it was oddly
42:26amazing
42:27it was
42:28one of those ones
42:29because I'm a big believer
42:30in what's for you
42:31you know
42:31it's meant to be
42:32and I thought right
42:33chance is deciding this
42:35so
42:35if it's not
42:36in the chest
42:37so be it
42:38stand up
42:39hold your head high
42:40and walk out
42:40you know
42:41it's up to fate
42:42and then when we opened it
42:44and I seen it
42:44I thought
42:45oh my god
42:46I've just scraped by
42:47by the skin of my teeth
42:48but it was
42:49like it was a brilliant moment
42:50it was a lot of fun
42:51it was an incredible moment
42:52until the cliffhanger
42:53at which point
42:54every living room in the country
42:55was smashed to pieces
42:56now obviously
42:58you said to Stephen
42:59I'm going to have to talk
43:00I'm going to have to talk
43:00about you
43:01being a traitor
43:02but how did it feel
43:04hearing Stephen
43:04talk about you
43:05being a traitor
43:06at the round table
43:07and throwing accusations
43:08like we knew
43:09it was coming
43:10and we knew
43:10you weren't
43:11you know
43:11you can't hide
43:13in that game
43:14and you have to throw names
43:15so we knew it was coming
43:16but
43:16it still takes you
43:18by surprise
43:19do you know
43:20when
43:20his face
43:22just told me
43:23he was gunning for me
43:24and I thought
43:24this is a different face
43:26to the turret face
43:26but yeah
43:28it had to be done
43:29it was slightly unnerving
43:30but we kind of
43:31did you feel the same way Stephen
43:32when the accusations
43:33were being thrown at you
43:34from Rachel at the round table
43:35yeah surprisingly
43:36like I think
43:37I think Rachel
43:39had more trust in me
43:40than I had in her
43:41and yet
43:42at the round table
43:44I think
43:44I gave her a harder time
43:45than she gave me
43:46but
43:48yeah
43:50anytime
43:50anytime I heard anyone
43:52saying my name
43:53I mean
43:53I was perspiring
43:54profusely
43:55and
43:56you know
43:57I would look the same colour
43:58as your shoes
43:58you know
43:59so
43:59yeah
44:01I was terrified
44:02never I heard my name
44:02but I think
44:03knowing that
44:04knowing that Rachel
44:05could have been
44:06going behind my back
44:07and I know how influential
44:08Rachel was in that castle
44:09and I think we all
44:10kind of
44:11were in awe really
44:12of how Rachel moved
44:13around the circles
44:14and everyone
44:15and just has such
44:16a kind of
44:16gravity in her
44:18in her way
44:19of conducting herself
44:20and so I just knew
44:21that I stood no chance
44:22if I just didn't say
44:23anything about Rachel
44:24you know
44:25because
44:26she could say
44:27one line
44:27and it would just
44:28take me down
44:28so yeah
44:29I was terrified
44:30we think on Uncloats
44:31that a lot of your
44:32perspiring was down
44:33to the fact
44:33you wore
44:33really big jumpers
44:34let's talk about
44:37your fashion sense
44:38in general
44:38because it's been
44:38an absolute delight
44:40this series
44:40thank you very much
44:41thinking
44:41god I hope
44:42Stephen doesn't get
44:43banished
44:43because I want to
44:43see my friend
44:44for breakfast tomorrow
44:45you know
44:45so I
44:47before going
44:48into the castle
44:49I know
44:51I've got a very
44:52red face
44:53right
44:53so this is something
44:54that you know
44:55my partner
44:56did say to me
44:57what the hell
44:58are you going to do
44:58about your face
44:59in there
44:59and well
45:01so I thought
45:02if I distract them
45:03from the neck down
45:04maybe they won't
45:07notice the neck up
45:08and so I just
45:10I thought
45:10if I wear clothes
45:11that are a bit
45:12flamboyant and loud
45:13then maybe they'll
45:14just be going
45:15oh Stephen
45:15you look really great
45:16today
45:16rather than
45:18looking up here
45:18and going
45:19you're a traitor
45:20you know
45:21so it was all
45:22kind of tactics
45:23and I do also
45:24just love
45:24that kind of
45:25fashion as well
45:26but I do think
45:27it kind of helped
45:28distract a little bit
45:29well you look fantastic
45:30I mean I obviously
45:31get the episodes
45:31a little bit early
45:32so we can do
45:32uncloaked
45:33and I watch the
45:34first episode
45:34and everyone's going
45:35what do you think
45:36of it
45:36everyone who works
45:37on uncloaked
45:37and I said
45:37where did Stephen
45:38get his jacket from
45:39yeah you and the
45:40rest of the country
45:41are asking me
45:41the same question
45:42tailor made
45:42apparently
45:42above your station
45:44already
45:45finally
45:48what does the money
45:49mean to you both
45:50Rachel let's start
45:50with you
45:51like it just means
45:52an opportunity
45:53for my family
45:54do you know
45:55a nice time
45:57nice memories
45:58and lots of fun
46:00and that's what
46:01it's all about
46:01what about you Stephen
46:03I think like I said
46:04you kind of start
46:07to realise
46:07how much
46:08your kind of
46:09family gave up
46:09for you
46:10when you were younger
46:10and I think
46:11just being able
46:11to hopefully
46:12try and give
46:12something back
46:13would just be
46:15great for me
46:16I just really hope
46:17I can do for them
46:18what they've done
46:19for me previously
46:20still
46:20well look
46:21you've all been
46:21absolutely incredible
46:22thank you so much
46:23to all five of you
46:24for coming on
46:24uncloaked
46:25and entertaining
46:25us so effortlessly
46:27throughout the whole
46:27course of the game
46:28a massive round of
46:29applause for our
46:30finalists
46:30Jack Faraz
46:32and Jade
46:32and our first
46:33point breaker winners
46:34Stephen and Rachel
46:35and keep your round of
46:37applause going
46:38for the one and only
46:38Claudia Winkleman
46:39the chat continues
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46:48Rachel
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47:24this series had it all
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