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00:00Hello and welcome to episode 4 of the Traitors Uncloaked, your official visualized companion podcast with me, Ed Gamble.
00:07This show is a spoiler sensation, so if you haven't watched episode 4 of the Traitors yet, go and watch it now,
00:12and then come back to join us for more deception, drama, and druids.
00:16Coming up, we'll be discussing the shock reveal of the secret Traitors' identity.
00:21The latest player to be banished, Ross, is with us to dissect the surprise roundtable and the secret he's been keeping this whole time.
00:27Plus, we're about to have our first face-to-face murder, which I'm going to unpick in detail with superfans Angela Scanlon and Max Belegde,
00:35Series 1 Traitor Wilf, and Series 2 Faithful Turn Traitor Miles.
00:44We have to start with the biggest revelation of the series so far.
00:47Fiona is the secret Traitor. Your reactions to that?
00:52Little red riding water.
00:54With a little basket and everything.
00:56She's welcome.
00:58It is, of course, Fiona.
00:59I mean, I was willing it to be Fiona.
01:02From episode 1, I was like, please let it be Fiona.
01:06Did any of us suspect that it was Fiona?
01:08Angela, did you have any suspicions?
01:10I had, like, hopes that it would be Fiona, because she's so unassuming.
01:15I mean, obviously, everyone was like, oh, she's playing a good game, being a bit ditzy and kind of clueless,
01:20as if that was a pretense.
01:21But I thought, oh, that's actually quite an obvious kind of line to tread.
01:25But I just love her voice and her insight and how sweet she looks outside.
01:33And then she sits in that chair and she's like, they haven't seen me coming.
01:37She's like rubbing her hands together.
01:40She's a beast and I love her.
01:42I love it.
01:42Yeah.
01:42What about you, Max?
01:43Did you suspect?
01:44I suspected her when she was in the car and she brought up Rachel's name.
01:48Because up until that point, nobody had really suspected Rachel.
01:51And then out of nowhere, she brings it up.
01:53But she didn't try too hard.
01:54And I thought, you know something here, love.
01:56You know.
01:57And she did.
01:58Yeah.
01:58She did.
01:59I thought, to be honest, it was like, it was so obvious it could have been her,
02:02but it couldn't have been her.
02:03Yeah.
02:03She's so cute and so innocent looking.
02:05She's the perfect pick for it.
02:06She's perfect.
02:07Oh my God.
02:08And then she went so hard for Hugo, I thought, maybe she's not.
02:11I was watching it going, surely that it's not going to be another Welsh person.
02:16So many Welsh people.
02:18We've had Amanda.
02:20Amanda.
02:20We've had Andrew.
02:22And then we had Charlotte.
02:22We've had a fake Welsh traitor.
02:24And now another real Welsh traitor.
02:26And Hugo was Welsh as well.
02:27So this has done a lot to ruin the reputation for Welsh.
02:31Were there any clues that could have led us to Fiona?
02:34We've got the handwriting.
02:35Did anyone notice similarities with the handwriting, with the murder shortlist and the slates?
02:41That was one thing.
02:42Oh, I didn't even think of that.
02:43Well, I did think the handwriting was so good that a younger person might not have done that.
02:50You know what I mean?
02:50I just think like we use, like younger people use technology a lot.
02:53Speak for yourself.
02:54I've got a useful handwriting.
02:55But I was like, it's an older person.
02:58That was my initial thought.
02:59I definitely thought it was going to be a female.
03:01Yeah.
03:01It's going to be a female.
03:02Because she was going for the lads all the time.
03:03The men were on the chopping block for a long time.
03:06So it's like, yeah, it's going to be a good lady.
03:08So in episode one, on the way to the mission, I don't know if anyone else picked up on this.
03:13James says that no one in the car that he's in does he suspect to be a traitor.
03:17And Fiona's in that car and does a quiet little sort of smile out of the window.
03:22Just glances off.
03:23I missed that.
03:24Did you catch that?
03:24I did catch that.
03:25I did catch that.
03:26But I think Fiona always looks like she's like, got the sun shines a lollipop.
03:30So she's just looking around and just having a great old time.
03:33I think she's played it beautifully.
03:34She is.
03:35There was also, and I mentioned this on a previous episode of Uncloked, my biggest clue that Fiona
03:40was the secret traitor, the comment of saying, at home, I've got a red bather that's a thong.
03:46Your husband's not going to recognise you when you get home.
03:48You're doing all the text.
03:49How's it going to be?
03:49I'd be like Cindy Crawford.
03:52Be on their watch, ready for their watch.
03:54It will.
03:55Yeah, I will.
03:56I've got a little red bather, which is a thong.
04:00Oh, dear, Fiona.
04:02Don't think I need to know that.
04:04That, to me, is the biggest clue.
04:06Yeah, 100%.
04:07There's no way they're including that in the edit.
04:09It's not a huge clue.
04:11And she threw it in on purpose.
04:12She's like, I'm going to mention red and I'm going to do it.
04:15Give it a little one for me, Hobie and Hobie.
04:18Little wink.
04:18Love her.
04:19Husband's thinking, I've never seen that.
04:21That's not fair.
04:24She's all talk.
04:25As a former traitor, how do you rate her gameplay so far?
04:28It's 10 out of 10, isn't it?
04:29It's got to be 10 out of 10.
04:30As long as she tones it down at some point.
04:32It's just great.
04:33And it's entertaining.
04:34It's really entertaining to watch somebody who's fully in the role and just enjoying it.
04:38Like, obviously, I cried all the time.
04:39So it's like watching somebody who's just enjoying it and taking it as a game.
04:43It's nice to watch.
04:44Yes.
04:45And Max, as a super fan, this has obviously been our opportunity to play the game at home.
04:49Have you enjoyed that?
04:50Loved it.
04:51Because I was dissecting everybody's glances.
04:54Everybody, even the tone of their voice when they would say certain things.
04:57I found myself this season more than ever really paying attention.
05:00And it just kind of showed to me how hard it is as a job of being a faithful.
05:05Let's talk about Fiona's relationship with the other traitors now that she's revealed herself.
05:11It's a little icy in here.
05:14Look at you, Volta Knight Hugo.
05:16Do you know what?
05:17He messed up big time.
05:19So I had to go gun ho on him.
05:21Okay.
05:21It had to be done.
05:22I basically have done your job for you for the last few nights.
05:30She's already got the villain's laugh.
05:32She's phenomenal.
05:34Unbelievable.
05:35So brilliant.
05:36I think that that could be her biggest downfall is like Rachel actually said earlier in the show,
05:41no two traitors have ever won it together.
05:44So you've got to have your fellow traitors on side really to get to the end
05:47because they can throw you under the bus just as easily as you can throw them under the bus.
05:51Well, Miles, you know that more than anyone else.
05:54Take a minute's silence.
05:55Throw them under the bus.
05:56What do you make of the heightening tension in the turret?
05:58I think the thing is, I think Rachel is very much like she said,
06:01was the driving seat, kind of had Stephen under her thumb.
06:05And then Fiona's come along now with this kind of powerhouse,
06:08especially with the attitude.
06:09And so the alliances are kind of shattered
06:11because then Stephen's the kind of one in between the two ladies.
06:14And I think it depends on how it kind of falls.
06:16He just needs to let them fight out, doesn't he?
06:18Yeah, just don't get involved.
06:19But I think you do need your traitors.
06:22Your traitors need each other at certain points.
06:24And as soon as that kind of starts crumbling, as you saw.
06:27Especially this early in the game as well.
06:29It's very early.
06:30It feels like they need to stick together for a little bit.
06:31I mean, obviously, in series three, we saw a fairly united traitors turret.
06:36It feels like things are crumbling pretty quickly.
06:39But I think Hugo being chucked so quick
06:41has kind of made them all a little edgy maybe.
06:45I think Hugo was the kind of common enemy, wasn't he?
06:47He was like, he's not going to last.
06:49Easy time.
06:50He's not going to last.
06:51And the faithfuls were annoyed by him and so were the traitors.
06:53So you've got no chance, mate.
06:55Now, speaking of Fiona, as we have been for pretty much the whole episode,
06:58her take on the mission was rather relaxed.
07:01She could not care less.
07:05I love it so much.
07:06She's walking around.
07:07She's literally trolling him.
07:09What would you say then, Angela?
07:10If you was in that box.
07:11I'm about to die.
07:12I'd be like, Fiona, babes, love you.
07:14Love your pace.
07:15Generally enjoy the way you exist in the world.
07:19But get your arse in gear.
07:20You're not spreading an ankle.
07:21I'm not interested.
07:22The mission as a whole was quite a brutal display of allegiances
07:25because people had to pick the people they were protecting.
07:28Poor Sam.
07:30Poor Sam, completely alone.
07:32No one picked him.
07:33Apart from Rachel electing Amanda over fellow traitor Stephen,
07:37were there any other pairings that you found surprising?
07:40I think they were quite random, to be honest.
07:42From what we've seen, there weren't too many alliances that I could tell.
07:46Are we surprised that Sam was the one who was left out?
07:48No.
07:49No, I was.
07:50No, I wasn't.
07:52I think he gives that vibe.
07:53Yeah.
07:54I even thought he was a secret traitor for a while.
07:57Because he gives off that vibe, like, I'm playing the game by myself.
08:01Well, soon we'll be getting Ross's reaction to the secret traitor twist,
08:04which, unbeknownst to the faithful,
08:06has been controlling the castle since the start.
08:09But first, we finish this episode with traitors Rachel and Fiona
08:12having to put their differences aside
08:13and decide who to kill to take suspicion of fellow traitor Stephen.
08:18So their choices are Sam, Rhys and Maz.
08:22Protect Maz at all costs.
08:24What I love about Maz, he's clearly such a sweet man.
08:27Yeah.
08:28And when he finds out he's on this, you know, big shortlist or whatever,
08:31that he's one of the people who could be murdered,
08:34he's like, oh, this is awful to be on the murder shortlist.
08:37And you want to go, brother, you've been on that list every day.
08:40You've been dodging them day in, day in.
08:42If only you, Fiona has been whacking you on the shortlist every single day.
08:47Why? I don't understand Fiona's problem with that.
08:50It's so innocent.
08:51Yeah.
08:52But I liked how when he was in the cage,
08:55he's like, I was in the police force.
08:57This is whatever happens here is granted.
09:00Clearly everyone is involved in the police force.
09:03Maz needs to go
09:05I'm really sorry
09:07How dare you
09:08Rhys already has
09:09Suspicion on him
09:09So you'd leave him in
09:11Because they're going to
09:11Banish him at some point
09:12Anyway
09:13So you'd get
09:14I'd get rid of Maz
09:15Because people would be like
09:16What's going on
09:17Why would they get rid of Maz
09:18It would just cause
09:19A bit more confusion
09:20Then they'll look at Rhys
09:21A little bit
09:21And Sam's got a lot of
09:23Suspicion on him as well
09:23Yeah
09:24So I think
09:25That's really sad to say
09:26I'm sorry
09:26I love Maz as well
09:27But see you later
09:28Do we think murdering Sam
09:29Takes the spotlight
09:30Off Stephen at all
09:31Because Sam led
09:32Led the Judy banishment
09:33Charge and he's been
09:35A bit quiet ever since
09:36Sam just acts
09:37Like a traitor sometimes
09:38Yeah
09:39He kind of gives that
09:40Traitor confidence maybe
09:42Not too much
09:43If he kind of calms it down
09:44And becomes a good faithful
09:46I don't think
09:47He seems like he's got
09:47A good alliance
09:48With many other faithfuls
09:49Still really handsome guy
09:51Oh
09:51Alex
09:51Because everyone thought
09:54He looked like you
09:55That's why
09:56Oh what did they
09:57Sorry
09:57I'm not on socials
10:00Very often
10:00Let's look at
10:03Murdering Rhys
10:04As an option
10:05Because it was
10:06Neck and neck
10:06Between him and Ross
10:07At the round table
10:08He basically
10:08Just got absolved
10:09Of a lot of suspicion
10:10On him
10:11Because he got so emotional
10:12No but the fact
10:13That Stephen
10:13Saw that happen
10:15As a traitor
10:15I would then go
10:16Guys
10:17This happened in the kitchen
10:18Murder Rhys
10:19You know
10:19Harriet saw him crying
10:20And she was a big force
10:22In getting rid of Hugo
10:22She no longer
10:23Has any suspicion on him
10:24It's kind of useless
10:25We may as well
10:26Get rid of him
10:26Yeah that's interesting
10:27But yeah I suppose
10:28In that moment
10:29Stephen is not deciding
10:31Who to murder
10:32Of course
10:33Because he's locked
10:34In a cage
10:34I mean I'm gutted
10:35For Stephen
10:36Because this feels
10:36Like a huge mistake
10:38Did anyone spot
10:38The particular slip up
10:40At the round table
10:41Let's have a little
10:42Let's have a little reminder
10:43There's just one point
10:46As well that I wanted
10:47To make
10:47These murders
10:49In plain sight
10:50Right
10:50They are designed
10:51To give us clues
10:52Okay
10:52Because you're asking
10:53The traitors
10:54To do something
10:55Whilst everyone
10:56Is running wild
10:57Around the castle
10:57Okay
10:58So who was the last person
11:01I saw at that painting
11:02Yeah
11:03And I've spoken to you
11:04Before Maz
11:05Through this process
11:05And so I was thinking
11:07To myself last night
11:08You know
11:10Oh sorry
11:10This morning
11:11After we found out
11:11How you know
11:12The thing was done
11:14Dude
11:15Dude he's got to be
11:17More careful
11:17And he was so confident
11:18He was like
11:19I'm going to
11:19Smash this talk
11:20One of the tales though
11:23I noticed on that
11:24Is that he finishes
11:24Every sentence with okay
11:26Which I think
11:26He's giving himself
11:27A breather
11:28Yeah
11:28To get my next sentence
11:29It's not enough
11:29Of a breather though
11:30Okay
11:31So last night
11:32In the turret
11:33We were talking
11:34In the turret
11:35Last night
11:35Okay so I'm a traitor
11:37Faithful
11:37Well banished faithful
11:40Ross joins us next
11:41But first
11:42Let's see how he reacted
11:43When he found out
11:44The identity of the traitors
11:45Just after he left the game
11:47At Claudia's surprise
11:48Morning round table
11:49It's frustrating
11:55Having been voted out
11:57As
11:58Honestly
11:59I had a perfect theory
12:00Come on now
12:01Like literally
12:02We know
12:03One of those five
12:04Had to be a traitor
12:06And they've set me up
12:07And ultimately
12:09I could tell
12:10On that round table
12:11They just were not
12:12Listening
12:12To the facts
12:14That I was laying down
12:15Traitors wise
12:16I think there were four
12:17And at least
12:19One of those five
12:20Who heard Ben's dying words
12:23Is a traitor
12:24And of those five
12:26Ellie
12:27I think is a traitor
12:28Stephen
12:29I think is a traitor
12:30And then Fiona
12:32It's so hard
12:36It's so hard
12:36But I do think
12:38Fiona is a silent assassin
12:40Final one is Harriet
12:41And it's just because
12:44Of her behaviour
12:46On that last round table
12:47It didn't make sense
12:48That she wasn't listening
12:49To what I was saying there
12:50Is this now
12:51Is this the point
12:52Where I can now
12:52Find out
12:53Who the traitors are
12:54All right
12:56There we go
13:03Oh mate
13:04Okay
13:05Yes
13:12Stephen
13:14I did know
13:15Stephen was a traitor
13:16This makes me feel
13:19So good
13:20Because I knew it
13:21That's a win for me
13:22I'll give you that
13:22Right
13:24Oh do you know
13:25I'm a bit worried
13:25To see who the next one is
13:27Rachel
13:38Rachel
13:39That
13:41Has stunned me
13:42Oh
13:43I'm not going to lie to you
13:47Rachel was
13:48Completely
13:49Completely off my radar
13:50I just thought
13:51She was just being
13:52Unnecessarily stubborn
13:53Ultimately
13:54The traitor's plan
13:56Was to get me out
13:57At the round table
13:58And she guaranteed
14:00Without suspicion
14:01I'd always get at least
14:03One vote
14:03I am super surprised
14:05Ellie's not on this list
14:07She was really
14:08Weirdly quiet
14:09At the round table
14:10That was really weird to me
14:11That surprised me
14:12She has been a faithful
14:14And
14:16I was wrong
14:17And Ross is with us now
14:20Yay
14:21Welcome
14:25Welcome to Uncloaked Ross
14:26Thank you so much
14:27For having me
14:28It's a delight
14:28To have you here
14:29Under sad circumstances
14:31Of course
14:31You've gone out quite early
14:32You know what
14:33I'm actually really happy
14:34With my run
14:35Honestly
14:35I feel like
14:36Blaze of glory
14:37You know
14:37Yeah
14:37It was a huge blaze of glory
14:39In a way
14:40Jilted
14:42Jilted
14:43We'll talk about
14:44Your whole game
14:45But first
14:46I do want to hear
14:47Why you thought
14:48Your own secret girlfriend
14:50Was a traitor
14:50Listen
14:51Alright
14:51So you lot
14:52Don't know
14:53Who I ever have at home
14:54And so
14:55She'd be like
14:56Freezing up
14:56I'm really nervous
14:57I'm like
14:59I'm literally
15:00Under fire here
15:01Who's got a chance
15:02Who's nervous
15:03And so I just
15:05Couldn't empathise
15:06With her finding
15:07The experience
15:08So intimidating
15:09Was there beef and onion
15:10When you got home
15:11No no no no
15:11Maybe a little bit
15:13Yeah
15:13It was more
15:14I was like
15:15You know what
15:16I didn't want her to go
15:16Crazy
15:17But I was like
15:18A little
15:18A little dark
15:19Sorry
15:20Little left hop
15:22Yeah
15:23Like a little defence
15:24Or leading the charge
15:25In an opposite direction
15:26Maybe
15:27Don't get me wrong
15:28The plan was
15:29You know
15:29We work for the household
15:30Don't sacrifice yourself
15:31But I was like
15:31Don't do nothing
15:32Yeah
15:33Buck me up a bit
15:35But I did see
15:37Later on in some bits
15:38That actually
15:39You know
15:39She was
15:39She had my back
15:40So
15:40She must have felt
15:42She must have felt
15:43Quite sort of torn
15:43Because she was also
15:45Watching you have
15:45The most stressful game
15:47Anyone's ever had
15:47I think
15:48Because it was
15:48As soon as you got out of the car
15:50When normally you can relax
15:51And sort of take the castle in
15:52Oh don't
15:53Netty runs towards you
15:54And from that moment on
15:55You were under suspicion
15:56At the time
15:57I'd seen Netty
15:59Like early
16:00Let's say 20 seconds before
16:02Yeah
16:02And so I was like
16:04Yes
16:04I've got a secret ally
16:06Not another one
16:08It's supposed to be 22 strangers
16:10It's 20 plus Ross and Netty
16:12And Ellie
16:14And Ellie
16:15Yes and Ellie
16:16And my girlfriend
16:18Definitely be for home
16:20And Netty's gone
16:22Ross
16:23And I was like
16:23No
16:24And so I've frozen
16:25Because I'm like
16:25Oh this is not good
16:27Yeah
16:27And she's run
16:28And she's jumped into my arms
16:29And the problem with that
16:31Is also that
16:32I'm like
16:33Everyone was like
16:34Oh Ross
16:34How was
16:34You know
16:35It looks really suspicious
16:36And I'm like
16:36I don't care about you lot right now
16:37Yeah
16:38Someone who my partner
16:39Who has no idea who they are
16:41Just jumped into my arms
16:42Like
16:42You guys have got the wrong power
16:44And he's like
16:46Oh really
16:47Yeah
16:48You've got some explaining
16:49Is there footage anywhere
16:51Of Ellie finding you in the castle
16:53And going
16:53Who the hell is that
16:54And that's
16:56That's what
16:56My actual initial fear
16:58And worry was
16:59And so what's annoying
17:00Frustrating is
17:01I'm trying to hang it up
17:02And be like
17:02Oh my god
17:03Who is
17:04I can't believe
17:05It's my platonic friend
17:07From years ago
17:08Exactly
17:09Wasn't a platonic friend
17:11And so
17:11Yes yes yes
17:12Just for a clue
17:14It's actually
17:14Generally innocent
17:15But it looks
17:16Terrible
17:17You guessed Stephen
17:22And we also saw in that clip
17:25You guessed Fiona as well
17:26You referred to Fiona
17:27As a silent assassin
17:28Yes
17:29You couldn't have been much closer
17:30You know
17:31Secret traitor
17:31Silent assassin
17:32I just noticed
17:34She'd
17:34Like
17:35I've spent
17:35A lot of time with Fiona
17:37She's switched on
17:38She's really
17:39Really switched on
17:40So when she'd say stuff
17:41Every now and again
17:41Like
17:42What did he say
17:43What did
17:44What did Ben say
17:45I was like
17:46You
17:47You're asking a question
17:49You knew the answer to
17:49Yeah
17:50And so
17:51For me I was like
17:52That was a flag
17:53But it wasn't like a
17:54Yeah
17:55And
17:56I mean
17:57We're talking a lot
17:57About the Library Five
17:58So the people who heard
18:00Ben's final words
18:01To look at you
18:02If he died
18:02And so
18:03You suspected
18:04Stephen
18:04Because of that
18:05And Fiona
18:05Was also there
18:06It was two
18:06Of the Library Five
18:07That's true
18:08That's true
18:09And so
18:09In my eyes
18:11It was
18:11Those three
18:12I knew
18:14That
18:15This is going to sound
18:16A bit arrogant
18:16But I felt like
18:17Fiona
18:18Would not kill me
18:20And so
18:21Because of it
18:22I was like
18:22There's no point
18:22Actually going out with Fiona
18:23I'm obviously not going to ruin
18:25The household
18:26Yeah
18:27And so
18:27Stephen was actually
18:28The only viable
18:29Person
18:30Of that five
18:31Who was like
18:32Yeah you can go
18:33Yeah
18:33And so
18:34It just made sense
18:35So you were so adamant
18:36It was Ellie
18:36Like you were like
18:38Oh yeah
18:38I was
18:39I couldn't
18:40At that time
18:41I could not think of
18:42Any other reason
18:43For her to be so
18:44Out of character
18:45Like if you know
18:46If you guys
18:46I would say if you know Ellie
18:47She's actually
18:48Like wild
18:49Like I'm actually
18:51The calm one
18:52Really?
18:52Yeah
18:53She seems so quiet
18:54That's it
18:55And so
18:55I was more like
18:56Who are you?
18:57Like I was
18:58She's only chill
18:59When her boyfriend's
19:00Under the threat of banishment
19:01That's the only time
19:02She takes a back seat
19:03You know what
19:05After watching
19:06The first episode
19:07I did now notice
19:08That basically
19:09Other than us two
19:10On the train
19:10Where she's smiling
19:11And a bit like
19:12Every other scene
19:13Was like
19:14Yeah
19:15She's terrified
19:16Can we talk about
19:18The moment on the train
19:19Obviously
19:19You're trying to conceal
19:22That you're in a relationship
19:24I'd say
19:25It's the most obvious thing
19:26I've ever seen in my life
19:27That conversation
19:28The
19:28I'm from London
19:30Is it?
19:31Is it?
19:31Is it?
19:32Is it?
19:33I went
19:33Is it?
19:34Hey!
19:36That was a good one
19:37I think is it
19:39Will be your legacy
19:40On this show
19:41I hope so
19:41No one's ever been
19:42That surprised
19:43To hear someone's
19:44From London
19:44Well Ellie's claimed
19:47That she's going to
19:48Avenge your banishment
19:49I hope so
19:50Yeah
19:50I hope so
19:51She should do
19:52She's got
19:52I feel like I've laid
19:53The clues
19:54You know
19:55With evidence
19:55So
19:56I'm
19:57Beautifully articulated
19:58And very calm
19:59I just
20:00Yeah
20:00But then Rachel went
20:02What was the turret like
20:03And you were like
20:03Oh my god
20:06I don't know what
20:06Anyone would say
20:07In that situation
20:08I know
20:08You pretending
20:09That you didn't know
20:10What the turret was
20:11We should talk about this
20:12Let's remind ourselves
20:13Of that moment
20:14Brilliant
20:14Can I ask you a question
20:16Please
20:16Was Hugo this dramatic
20:18In the turret
20:18Was Hugo this
20:20I'm sorry
20:22I don't understand
20:23Was Hugo dramatic
20:24In the turret
20:25I didn't
20:27In what turret
20:28Oh she's so evil
20:32And she's like
20:32I rest my case
20:33I mean
20:37A brutal move
20:38From Rachel
20:38I think
20:38Wild play
20:39And then she tries
20:40To claim it was a joke
20:41Afterwards
20:42She's like
20:42I jokingly said this
20:43It's like
20:43Your face wasn't showing
20:44That was the little
20:45Jokey joke
20:46But then
20:47I mean
20:48I felt bad for you
20:49For this whole game
20:50Ross
20:50Because from
20:50From minute one
20:51You're like
20:52No one else is under suspicion
20:53You get out the car
20:54Nettie runs up to you
20:55And the game never
20:56Slowed down
20:56From that point
20:57Yes
20:57Sadly
20:57So I understand
20:58There's so much going on
20:59At this point
21:00You're going to go
21:00What turret
21:01But have you worked out
21:03What the turret is yet?
21:04I do now
21:04Yeah yeah yeah
21:05Oh hats off to you
21:07He's had the hardest start
21:09I've ever seen anybody have
21:10It's the most brutal
21:12Rachel V. Ross
21:12Since Friends season 6
21:14It's such a leading question
21:18Though as well isn't it?
21:18I thought
21:19That was her slipping up
21:21So what's really funny was
21:22When that was going on
21:24I was like
21:24Bruv have you just
21:25Owinged yourself?
21:26And also
21:27What I didn't want to do
21:28At the time as well
21:29Was say traitors
21:30I don't know why
21:31In my head
21:31I just thought
21:31If you say traitors
21:33People will associate you with
21:34And I was like
21:36Bruv
21:36And I still thought
21:37It was a weird thing to say
21:38But I understand now
21:39The game
21:40Was a powerful thing to do
21:41Max how would you cope
21:42In that situation
21:43If you were at the round table?
21:44I think I would cry
21:45And run away
21:46I don't think that would
21:48Raise any suspicion
21:49Whatsoever
21:49Yeah
21:50Ross why did you and Ellie
21:52Decide to go into
21:53The game together?
21:54Oh
21:54So actually
21:55Ellie was the one
21:56That applied for us
21:57And we loved the show
21:59So we'd watched
22:00Two
22:02Season two and three
22:03And then
22:04When she said
22:05We should try for it
22:06I was like
22:08You sure?
22:09Because obviously
22:10So many people
22:10It's such a popular show
22:11So many people on it
22:12And so yeah
22:13I'm not really like that
22:14Has it brought you
22:14Closest together?
22:16Yes
22:16Or
22:17Or
22:18Has it exposed
22:20Some serious flaws
22:21In your relationship?
22:23Love Island
22:24I have
22:25Yeah
22:26To be fair to you
22:26I've seen
22:27A lot more
22:28I've seen a lot more
22:29Really actually
22:29If that makes sense
22:30Because
22:31I think
22:32Especially in a relationship
22:32I don't know if you're competitive
22:34But
22:34She'd keep her guard up
22:36Quite a bit
22:37So now understanding
22:37Oh
22:38That's what that face means
22:40It's been really really helpful
22:42Because like
22:42No it's been good
22:44I think it's
22:44Mad seeing your own reactions
22:45On TV
22:46It is
22:46Oh that's what my face looks like
22:48Were there
22:50Were there
22:50Were there any moments
22:52When you were in the castle
22:53That you nearly slipped up
22:54That you nearly sort of
22:55Revealed a little bit
22:56Of the secret relationship
22:57To the other players
22:58No
22:59I was actually really playing with it
23:01Weirdly
23:01Our relationship
23:02Was the most fun
23:04And comfortable thing
23:05For me personally
23:05Because I just
23:06I don't know why
23:07Arrogantly
23:08I knew nobody would guess
23:10Yeah
23:10And especially obviously
23:12After the Nettie scenario
23:13I was like
23:13Bruv we can do whatever
23:14But there was no
23:15There was no point
23:16At like the end of the day
23:17Let's just go to get you
23:19At the end of the day
23:22You didn't like
23:23Accidentally kiss her on the lips
23:24And then have to kiss everyone
23:25On the lips
23:25That's why he got banished
23:29It's not an excuse anymore
23:32Yeah we're going to have to
23:33Get rid of Ross
23:34He keeps snogging
23:35It's obviously out there now
23:39That you and Ellie
23:40Are in a relationship
23:41But when the first
23:42Three episodes were going out
23:44Have you been
23:44Trying to not be seen together
23:46Or trying to keep it sick
23:47So yes
23:49We've had to leave
23:50The house at separate times
23:51Where we went to go
23:54Watch the first episode
23:54That my family's together
23:56Ellie took a big jacket
23:58And sunglasses
23:59And like
24:00We're going over the top
24:02And I get it
24:02To be fair
24:03Because we live where we live
24:04And so
24:04We don't want people
24:05Just to ruin the fun
24:06And so yeah
24:08We've been doing
24:08Every bit extra
24:09Which has been a bit long
24:10But it's fun
24:12And also
24:12And telling friends
24:13Bruv
24:14Yeah
24:15Yeah because I was going to say
24:16The neighbours next door
24:17Like
24:17Yeah
24:18They're neighbours
24:20They're my neighbours
24:20Emoji
24:21Non-stop
24:22And then everyone else
24:23Has been like
24:23Keep it to yourselves
24:24And also
24:25Because it's fun
24:26You get to share in the secret
24:27You're in the circle
24:28Yeah yeah yeah
24:29Who do you think
24:31Is going to survive
24:32Tonight's face to face murder
24:33Ross
24:34We've obviously got
24:35Stephen
24:35We've got Stephen
24:36Stephen will survive
24:37Really?
24:40Are you alright?
24:41We should survive
24:42Because obviously
24:42If I was a traitor
24:42I'm keeping him to hell in
24:44Yeah
24:44I'd probably kill Maz
24:47That's what I said
24:47I said that
24:49But we love Maz
24:50I love Maz
24:51I'm sorry Maz
24:52But explain yourself
24:53I love Sam
24:54But Sam has rubbed
24:55Some people
24:56Not the right way
24:57Yeah
24:57So
24:58The wrong way
24:58Ross is so nice
25:00He won't even say the word wrong
25:01The incorrect way
25:04Yeah
25:04You've rubbed me
25:06Not the right way
25:07Feedback
25:11A little feedback for you there
25:13Yeah
25:14The turret
25:16Yeah
25:16Ross
25:19Although your time
25:20Was cut savagely short
25:21You've entered the
25:22Traitor's history books
25:23Because you are the second Ross
25:25To be in a secret relationship
25:26Yay
25:27The other one with his mum
25:29Yeah
25:30Yeah yeah yeah
25:31Of course
25:31Watch that season
25:32Yeah
25:32You follow in the footsteps
25:34Of secret son Ross
25:36To Diane
25:36Who is of course
25:38Miles' murder conquest
25:39Congratulations
25:40And we'd like to commemorate that here
25:43On Uncloaked
25:43A little portrait for you to take on
25:45So you can have the other Ross
25:49At home
25:50We'll have all the Rosses
25:51Thank you
25:51You can take that home with you
25:53And we've sent him one of you as well
25:55So
25:55Well we're out of time for part one
25:59But we'll keep chatting over on BBC Sounds
26:01I'm going to ask Ross more about his secret in the castle
26:04And if Fiona's arrival in the turret
26:06Will make or break the traitors
26:08Plus there'll be more from Angela, Max, Wilf and Miles
26:10It's all in your bonus episode of Uncloaked
26:13Which you can hear right now
26:14Just scan the QR code on the screen
26:16And listen to us as you get ready for bed
26:18I'm back on Thursday night
26:19Straight after episode five
26:21With celebrity faithful Mark Bonner
26:23And series three faithful Fosier
26:24To see who hasn't made it through the night
26:26And if that murder has successfully thrown the scent
26:29Off of traitor Stephen
26:30Big thanks to Angela, Max, Wilf, Miles and Ross
26:33And to you for watching
26:34I'm Ed Gamble
26:35Stay faithful
26:36The traitors return tomorrow at eight on BBC One
26:45Now with embarrassing stories and the prank
26:47That went too far
26:48Joe Muller will see you now
26:50Hear his podcast on Sounds
26:51Next, do you believe in life after death?
26:54Well, Dawn French may change your mind in new comedy
26:57Can you keep a secret?
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