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00:00:00Oh, hey, cat girl.
00:00:30They become time and spice.
00:00:55Neil is ultimately left behind again, and when she manages to break into reality,
00:01:00she manages to break into reality.
00:01:30...time and spice, Neil is ultimately left behind again, and when she manages to...
00:01:43...left behind again, and when she manages to break into reality, she becomes almost obsessively controlling of time.
00:02:00These three...are not good at...
00:02:15...to be able to get into the world's mind again, and when she manages to break into reality, she becomes almost obsessively controlling of time.
00:02:24These three...are not good at...
00:02:30...the three...are not good at polyamory. Not in the slightest. They are terrible at this.
00:02:37But you never once get the feeling that they don't love each other.
00:02:53...you never once get the feeling that they don't...
00:02:55...the abyss gazes...
00:02:58...lily wolf is about a polyrelationship that is dysfunctional because the writer isn't well-versed in writing...
00:03:02...her tears about a polyrelationship that is dysfunctional because the writer is making a point.
00:03:07Very, very good.
00:03:08You never once get the feeling that they don't love each other dearly.
00:03:28They wouldn't keep desperately trying to make this work otherwise, and I like that way more.
00:03:34I like that they're just so utterly bad at...
00:03:38I like that way more.
00:03:45I like that they're just so utterly bad at this, but for reasons both beyond and within their control.
00:03:51You fully understand why they're like this, and you can't completely blame time for having your memory erased.
00:03:57In many other cases, it's almost as if people are afraid of delegitimizing polyamory if they talk about...
00:04:01...how it can be a challenge, not helped by the fact that if there's a breakup, people will take that as proof polyamory doesn't work.
00:04:05In many other cases, it's almost as if people are afraid of delegitimizing polyamory if they talk about how it can be a challenge,
00:04:13not helped by the fact that if there's a breakup, people will take that as proof polyamory doesn't work.
00:04:17In many other cases, it's almost as if people are afraid of delegitimizing polyamory if they talk about how it can be a challenge,
00:04:23not helped by the fact that if there's a breakup, people will take that as proof polyamory doesn't work.
00:04:31But time, space, and nil are messy, and not in a terrible toxic fem-slash kind of way,
00:04:37but in a way that makes you cheer for them to get better at all of this.
00:04:40They're- oh, actually, shit, you know what they are?
00:04:43They're the mouse trying to get the cracker back into the mouse hole.
00:04:45How's he doing, by the way?
00:04:46Yes! Fucking yes! I'm so happy for this mouse!
00:04:55It's such a personal story. It's not true.
00:04:58Those are being the best writer to ever write.
00:05:00Yeah, her tears were my light was like 2016, so...
00:05:16Like, I love how utterly, completely terrible at this they are.
00:05:39From the little I've seen, I thought it was setting up treating Koshi and Moxie be their best friend.
00:05:42The meme where it's like two people in a relationship with the third is an important part of the dynamic.
00:05:49Didn't think I'd pay off that mouse, bitch, did ya?
00:05:54Yes! Fucking yes! I'm so happy for this mouse!
00:05:59It's such a personal story.
00:06:04It's such a personal story. It's not trying to be an ambassador for polyamory's validity,
00:06:09because Nami already wrote that story. So it can just be about the genuine...
00:06:19...trying to be an ambassador for polyamory's validity, because Nami already wrote that story.
00:06:24So it can just be about the genuine and sincere love that these...
00:06:27Uh, th-this bit here?
00:06:30Yes! Fucking yes! I'm so happy for this mouse!
00:06:34It took me so many goddamn takes, because I had to keep finding the sweet spot on the microphone's gain,
00:06:41where it wouldn't peak.
00:06:44It's not trying to be an ambassador for a very personal and unique story. Ironically,
00:06:48both stories feature a de facto hierarchy, but while Her Tears Are My Light is explicitly about that,
00:06:53Lonely Wolf Treat operates under the impression that it isn't.
00:06:56I understand there's only so much time for a single...
00:07:08But between the two, I like Her Tears Are My Light a lot more. And this settles for me the kind of
00:07:13polyamory stories I want to see. Stories about unique and interesting relationships, that all explore
00:07:18polyamory differently, to different levels of success and different levels of grace. Where the love
00:07:24between the people involved is more...
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00:07:41Where the love between the people involved is more important than serving as an informative pamphlet.
00:07:46As someone who likes to write characters in duos and takes great care to establish how much the
00:07:56person involved. And so often, there's a level of intimacy that gets strangely lost in
00:08:07polyamory stories. I often wonder...
00:08:11Unknowingly write them as being, to a degree, less special than monogamous...
00:08:23Polyamory...
00:08:39Makes sense, they don't know how to navigate a relationship. It's their first relationship. It's
00:08:49the first relationship for everyone. It's not like the time-space continuum in the void
00:08:53can go to a therapist because they don't exist yet.
00:08:58It would be funny for a couple's counselor to try to help the personifications of the void time and
00:09:02space. You don't know, the black holes might have a PhD. I'm sure they've eaten one at some point.
00:09:07You know, there's now this theory that the singularity inside at the center of a black hole
00:09:36is actually something that completely destabilizes physics to such a degree that the event horizon
00:09:44is actually keeping it contained.
00:09:55Eldritch horror sealed away.
00:10:06Good time. Yeah, we thought about going to a couple's counselor and looks over and sees a heavily
00:10:29breathing Lilium looking over at her. We're working on ourselves first.
00:10:33Polyamory doesn't feature in a lot of fiction, but it's all over fandom, and so often polycules are
00:10:46written to be so bureaucratic. So the actual relationship between the characters suffers
00:10:50as a result, and it becomes far less interesting to read. Fandom does this thing I greatly dislike,
00:10:55wherein polyamory is used only as an antidote to a ship. I mean, realistically speaking, the likelihood of
00:11:00finding two people in an adventuring party you're romantically compatible with who are then also okay
00:11:16with a multi-partner relationship is astronomically low, so it's less about telling an interesting story
00:11:21than it is about indulging a harem fantasy. Never was this more apparent to me than with the Baldur's Gate 2 mod
00:11:26All Things Mazzy
00:11:29Okay, I've got to do this via diagrams because I don't have footage of All Things Mazzy,
00:11:35but like, you guys are gonna hear some shit.
00:11:51So often polycules are written to be so bureaucratic, so the actual relationship between the characters
00:12:06suffers as far less interesting to read. Fandom does this thing I greatly dislike, wherein polyamory is
00:12:16used only as an antidote to a ship war or a love triangle, where people
00:12:29yeah, you know what else
00:12:34proper communication. It rings a little too close to how RPG romance uses polyamory. I mean,
00:12:39realistically speaking, the likelihood of finding two people in an adventuring party you're romantically
00:12:43compatible with, who are then also okay with a multi-partner relationship, is astronomically low,
00:12:48so it's less about telling an interesting story than it is about indulging a harem fantasy.
00:12:52Never was this more apparent to me than with the Baldur's Gate 2 mod All Things Mazzy, which embodies
00:12:56everything I hate.
00:13:13I'm not sure it'sと思う but justray.
00:13:20That's my thing where I wish.
00:13:24I also hope that's that characters are here in the way I'm going Humans and Shakes in the
00:13:27country.
00:13:28I can't know if this is where you're perhaps gonna sit back and that we're here in the
00:13:30world.
00:13:30I want you to figure out your support and your being who you're here and I'm in.
00:13:33Is YouTube another for various places to help you so we're going to RAM and maintaining
00:13:37that transform your people with‐.
00:13:38Any things that玩 up that alguna output that ya can really make all your
00:13:40...is astronomically low, so it's less about telling an interesting story than it is about
00:13:50indulging a harem fantasy. Never was this more apparent to me than with the Baldur's Gate 2 mod
00:13:54All Things Mazzy. That's not right.
00:13:58All Things Mazzy. Baldur's Gate 2 mod All Things Mazzy, which embodies everything I hate
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00:15:06Things Mazzy, which embodies everything I hate about the way people write polyamory, as well as
00:15:11a few other things I hate. Now, this mod, by and large, is fucking unhinged, and it already
00:15:15establishes itself as being made from the fiery penis of Lucifer himself in Irenicus's dungeon,
00:15:20but the component that features Mazzy is the strangest. Now, I don't have footage of All
00:15:25Things Mazzy because like-minded.
00:15:36Now, this mod, by and large, is fucking unhinged, and it already establishes itself as being
00:15:44made from the fiery penis of Lucifer himself in Irenicus's dungeon, but the component that
00:15:49features Mazzy is the strangest. Now, I don't have footage of All Things Mazzy because I'm never
00:15:54putting myself through that again, so you'll have to make do with my little diagrams. Mazzy
00:15:58is written in the mod to be a very open person.
00:16:03Okay.
00:16:28You
00:18:58She's a paladin.
00:19:03No, she's not.
00:19:05She's a fighter.
00:19:28She's a fighter.
00:19:59Mazzy is written in the mod to be a very open person, sexually, romantically, and emotionally.
00:20:14This is completely out of step with Mazzy's actual personality, which is a dry paladin wannabe
00:20:29who can't go 12 seconds without yelling about...
00:20:31I call this the Valera Sanguinar effect, where a boring character is made silly and self-consciously irreverent by the fandom for reasons...
00:20:38I call this the Valera Sanguinar effect, where a boring character is made silly and self-consciously irreverent by the fandom for reasons that only make sense to someone with terminal brain damage.
00:21:04But it's the sort of character that a non-poly person would write as polyamorous, and now you can see where we're going with this.
00:21:09If, for whatever reason, you have downloaded Mazzy's mod just...
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00:21:42I'm sorry, Ari.
00:22:12I'm sorry.
00:22:42...mod just to then eschew sleeping with her.
00:23:02She's supposed to shift gears and turn her sights on Imouen, which I think is actually cute.
00:23:06I like mods that let me set someone else up with Imouen.
00:23:08Imouen's own mod...
00:23:12...I can't go.
00:23:16...I'm sorry.
00:23:20...I can't go.
00:23:22...I can't go.
00:23:26...I can't go.
00:25:32She's supposed to shift gears and turn her sights on Imouen, which I think is actually cute.
00:25:41I like mods that let me set someone else up with Imouen.
00:25:43Imouen's own mod has an entire route where you can set her up with Aerie and it's the cutest shit ever written by Mortal Hand.
00:25:48However, partway through her relationship with Imouen, she and Imouen confirm...
00:25:59...
00:26:47Just perfect, absolutely perfect.
00:27:17...by mortal hand.
00:27:31However, partway through her relationship with Imouen, she and Imouen confront the ward about wanting to be poly together.
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00:29:33Already this is pushy, and already Mazzy needs to get the fuck out of my party.
00:30:03First of all, at this point, you have already turned Mazzy down multiple times.
00:30:06So, already this is pushy, and already Mazzy needs to get the fuck out of my party.
00:30:10Second of all, as a general rule of thumb for Baldur's Gate 2 modding, you can safely assi-
00:30:22You know the situation is bad when Ari has to be the most sensible one in the room?
00:30:30No amount of therapy will ever make this conversation okay.
00:30:33I still feel good, I'm feeling good.
00:30:34I smell bad, I'm feeling good.
00:30:35I don't feel good.
00:30:36I'm feeling good.
00:30:37I think it's about her when I say-
00:30:38Yeah, maybe I can't wait.
00:30:39I know I can't see-
00:30:40I know you guys wait for me.
00:30:41I know you're probably right, but I know that right now.
00:30:42If you guys sleep, I need to sleep, and so, and there's injuries, I can't wait.
00:30:47I'll have to be nervous in that right now.
00:30:52I know you're gonna have to leave you alone, and I know I'm feeling good.
00:30:56If you guys want to look into bad, I'm feeling good.
00:30:57I'm feeling good.
00:30:58I know you, but then you're not getting the fuck out of my party, so you, just
00:31:00I'm feeling good.
00:32:31Come on, what is it that's keeping the taskbar up?
00:33:02Do it this way.
00:33:05I have it set to auto hide the taskbar, but something is always keeping...
00:36:52Oh, this does not want to open, does it?
00:37:12Ah, great.
00:37:52Good God, everything's so slow today.
00:38:22Good God, everything's so cool.
00:38:52Good God.
00:38:54Good God.
00:38:56Good God.
00:38:58Good God.
00:39:00Good God.
00:39:06Good God.
00:39:08Good God.
00:39:10Good God.
00:39:18Good God.
00:39:20Good God.
00:39:30Good God.
00:39:32Good God.
00:39:34Good God.
00:39:36Good God.
00:39:40Good God.
00:39:42Good God.
00:39:44Good God.
00:39:46Good God.
00:39:48Let's go.
00:40:18It's the wrong one.
00:40:48It's the wrong one.
00:40:58It's the wrong one.
00:41:12It's the wrong one.
00:41:22It's the wrong one.
00:41:28It's the wrong one.
00:41:36It is Boxing, the day after Christmas.
00:45:26You're going to make them go back through the footage, aren't you?
00:45:56Mercifully, I have everything written down on the tags.
00:46:07Right here.
00:46:08Wouldn't be Sony Vegas if it wasn't breaking down constantly.
00:46:16Come on.
00:46:19I'm sorry.
00:46:20I'm sorry.
00:46:21I'm sorry.
00:46:21I'm sorry.
00:46:49Second of all, as a general rule of thumb for Baldur's Gate 2 modding, you can safely
00:46:58second of all, as a general rule of thumb for Baldur's Gate 2 modding, you can safely
00:47:05assume that if the player is okay with the idea of fucking Imoen, they would have already
00:47:09downloaded the mod that lets you do that.
00:47:10So if they haven't, and they're playing yours instead, it's probably going to be super
00:47:15fucking weird to just suggest quasi-incestuous group sex out of the fucking blue.
00:47:19Mazzy, if you could even make this happen, you are going to be-
00:47:49Clever usage of that, what do you mean?
00:47:56Oh, the tags.
00:48:16Yes.
00:48:17Yes.
00:48:18Yes.
00:48:19Yes.
00:48:20Yes.
00:48:21Things Blue.
00:48:38Mazzy, if you-
00:48:49Mazzie, if you could even make this happen, you are going to be the moxie in that relationship.
00:49:01You can't compete with 15 years of friendship.
00:49:04Why am I on this tangent? What am I doing?
00:49:07Mazzie, if you could even make this happen, you are going to be the moxie in that relationship.
00:49:12You can't compete with 15 years of friendship.
00:49:14Why am I on this tangent? What am I doing?
00:49:16Emlyn's own mod treated Emlyn's feelings for the ward as a serious emotion.
00:50:16Emlyn's own mod treated Emlyn's feelings for the ward as a serious emotional epiphany that takes 70% of the game to come to grips with.
00:50:45It's a serious subject with a lot of emotional nuance, but ACM just throws it on you out of the blue.
00:50:50You can't even do that with normal polyamory, let alone whatever eldritch nightmare this is turning into.
00:50:55The mod's approach to polyamory is very monogamous.
00:51:02Man, I really picked a fucking circus sideshow for this video.
00:51:18All right, I need a bad example of polyamory.
00:51:22I know exactly what I'm gonna fucking use.
00:51:25I know exactly what I'm gonna do.
00:51:30I know exactly what I'm gonna do.
00:51:32I know exactly what I'm gonna do.
00:52:02My approach to polyamory is very monogamous, ironically.
00:52:05Like, hey man, I'm open.
00:52:08It's no big deal.
00:52:09Just do whatever, man.
00:52:10No, it is a big deal.
00:52:32Realizing you love two people is a big emotional moment for someone.
00:52:39It's not something you just throw out there with all the casual disregard of a three-way, you fuck.
00:52:43Like, wipe away all the other unhinged crap,
00:52:45and what we have is someone proposing a polyamorous relationship to two people she's only re-
00:53:02and what we have is someone proposing a polyamorous relationship to two people she's only re-
00:53:17and what we have is someone proposing a polyamorous relationship to two people she's only re-
00:53:30and what we have is someone proposing a polyamorous relationship to two people she's only recently met,
00:53:44who are both related with all the casual aloofness of suggesting getting a cup of coffee.
00:53:48One of those people having already turned her down multi-
00:53:51As if polyamorous relationships don't get-
00:54:18People having already turned her down multiple times now.
00:54:21This approach to writing polyamory speaks to a level of unseriousness-
00:54:25And this approach to writing polyamorous relationship to two people she's only re-
00:54:37And this approach to writing polyamorous relationship to two people she's only re-
00:55:25Saralith, well, even all things Mazzy mod has a stand or anything.
00:55:31Oh, God.
00:55:32Like, a lot of these mods, they are so, so unhinged.
00:55:36Like, it's a blessing and a curse about the Baldur's Gate 2 modding community.
00:55:41Because, like, BG3 modding is just like, here's some gameplay tweaks.
00:55:46I put more bikini armor in the game.
00:55:49But Baldur's Gate 2 mods, because you can write, like, an entire narrative,
00:55:54in them, and it's easy to do it and seamlessly have it, like, fit in.
00:56:02Like, this shit gets so weird.
00:56:07I didn't even go into all the different fucking modules that this mod has.
00:56:11This mod lets Chihira hook up with Wilson, who is an actual bear.
00:56:17Like, Minsk has a romance with Mir.
00:56:47Which is kind of neat, you know.
00:56:50Minsk-Adira, that's kind of cute.
00:56:53Except.
00:56:54Except.
00:56:56Mira polymorphs Boo into another Minsk.
00:57:01And has a three-way with the two Minsks.
00:57:03My approach to writing polyamory speaks to a level of unseriousness toward the subject
00:57:14that is quite frankly absurd.
00:57:16As if polyamorous relationships don't get to have the level of significance.
00:57:19It seems like a lot of people can't comprehend the idea of a polyamorous group fully living together,
00:57:47buying a house.
00:57:57Comprehend the idea of a polyamorous group.
00:58:00All things Mazzy.
00:58:01Also, Chihira can fuck about it.
00:58:02Wait, I'm sorry.
00:58:03Who does what we do?
00:58:06I don't know what to say to that.
00:58:08Oh my god.
00:58:14Comprehend the idea of a polyamorous group fully living together, buying a house, raising a
00:58:19kid, or even still being together into their middle age.
00:58:22At times, some people write polyamory when they really just want to write group sex or
00:58:26an open relationship.
00:58:27Romance stories in general are already hamstrung by the idea of the story ending when the couple-
00:58:31Okay, CD, well, if you wrote a polyamorous relationship, what would it be?
00:58:35Hmm.
00:58:37Wait, you have to think about that?
00:58:38Have you never-
00:58:38So I-
00:58:39Relationship.
00:58:43Okay, CD, well, if you wrote a polyamorous relationship, what would it be?
00:58:47Hmm.
00:58:49Wait, you have to think about that?
00:58:50Have you never-
00:58:51So I take an established couple-
00:59:01You were going to lose it when you see what-
00:59:23Okay.
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01:00:01so i take an established couple who have a third wheel the friend they've always hung out with
01:00:14who's always been close to both of them over the course of the first act since they've been around
01:00:17each other for so long have the couple indi
01:00:19the friend they've always hung out with who's always been close to both of them over the course
01:00:27the first act since they've been around each other for so long, have the couple individually
01:00:31start getting flustered around them, having feelings they've never had this strongly before.
01:00:37Have the couple individually start getting flustered around them, having feelings they've
01:00:41never had this strongly before. Then they have to realize the other one is feeling the same way,
01:00:45cue awkward emotionally charged conversation, cue agonizing to overcome the gap in time spent
01:00:49time, cue awkward emotionally charged conversation, cue agonizing over what to do next, cue just
01:01:00strongly before. Then they have to realize the other one is feeling the same way, cue
01:01:04awkward emotionally charged conversation, cue agonizing over what to do next, cue just going for it.
01:01:09That's what I do. Already you have an additional person in the relationship who doesn't need to
01:01:24overcome the gap in time spent together, because they've already spent a ton of time together.
01:01:28There's already a closeness between them, and it's just
01:01:39So why are these monocolor nondescript floor buds so f-
01:02:02Oh!
01:02:09the
01:02:19gap in time spent together, because they've already spent a ton of time together.
01:02:23There's already a closeness between them, and it's just getting stronger.
01:02:26Also you know how much I love my friends to lovers, it's the best thing ever,
01:02:29so of course I brought it in here. That's not the
01:02:39...my friends to lovers, it's the best thing ever, so of course I brought it in here.
01:02:44That's not to say I'd want every story to be like that,
01:02:46because the thing I'd want to see most from polyamory stories is variety.
01:02:50You can...
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01:03:39You can literally draw these polycules in any way you want,
01:03:53so you could come up with any kind of relationship dynamic and any number of people you want.
01:03:58Three is the go-to for people because it's the ideal number of main characters to manage,
01:04:09but if you can make six work and make all of them interesting, then do six.
01:04:12But you know what you shouldn't do? Absolutely should never, ever, ever do?
01:04:17Make one character and claim that one character is an entire polycule, fluorite.
01:04:27And there we go.
01:04:30I gotta do the intro bit, and then the puppets, and then the music, and then the credits, and I'm done.
01:04:36That's for tomorrow.
01:04:39Anyway, the wife is going to be home in about 15 minutes.
01:04:45I need to get started on those dishes and get something.
01:05:01I thoroughly expect this video to bomb horribly, but...
01:05:04Anyway, I'll see you later. Bye.
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