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00:00It's been a busy start to the year for you, I'm sure, in 2026 with all of these geopolitical events going on.
00:06Let me start with Iran. How close are you watching the uprising?
00:10Because so far there doesn't seem to have been an actual physical impact on oil.
00:17Yeah, good morning, Jumana. Definitely a busy start to the year.
00:21Yeah, we're very focused on actual potential disruptions to oil supply from Iran,
00:27which exports just over 2 million barrels per day, which is about 2% of the global supply.
00:33So far, no disruptions. In theory, there are several potential paths to disruptions of barrels.
00:39The increased risk of disruptions to barrels explains why the geopolitical risk premium is back.
00:47We're laser focused on this, but we have not changed our base case.
00:51That's an oversupplied market. We'll see prices trending down.
00:55In a way, we think history in 2026 will repeat itself.
00:59The template of 2025, where we had several geopolitical risk premium spikes,
01:04but an oversupplied market and a downward trend in prices.
01:07Our forecast for 2026, with Brent averaging 56, is similar in that regard to what happened in 2025.
01:17Okay, so almost $8 lower than where we are right now.
01:20I'm going to ask you about the fundamentals in a moment,
01:22but let me just also ask you about the news overnight that Trump is looking to impose a 25% tariff on countries
01:28still doing business with Iran.
01:30We know China is the biggest buyer of Iranian oil.
01:33If he actually follows through with that, and if, by the way,
01:36the Supreme Court actually deemed these tariffs to be legal, which is another big question mark,
01:41could that have a noticeable impact on the oil market in the sense that this Iranian oil will have nowhere to go?
01:49So, in theory, yes, but I think those are two important ifs, two important conditions that you outlined.
01:58I would make two observations.
02:01One, the U.S. administration has imposed similar tariffs on the buyers of Russian oil,
02:09and Russian barrels are still being exported.
02:12That said, if we were, for instance, to see a 50% drop in Iranian exports from about 2 million barrels per day
02:20to 1 million barrels per day, our models would suggest that the fair value of oil prices,
02:25based on the level of inventories, would be, you know, $8 higher,
02:29although things equal after one year.
02:32The actual price effect could be somewhat larger if the risk premium,
02:35a jubilical risk premium, rises further.
02:37But that's another base case, to be clear.
02:38Yeah, yeah, okay, fair enough.
02:42Thank you for giving us the context around the numbers as well.
02:45Let's talk about fundamentals and the fact that you do see Brent averaging $56 this year,
02:50namely on back of a huge surplus that you're forecasting, 2.3 million barrels a day.
02:57Have you started to see these OECD inventory stocks rising significantly in the last quarter of the year?
03:04Yeah, great question.
03:08So, last year, we estimated the market was in a 1.5 million barrels per day surplus,
03:14but only about 200 kbd of those global builds showed up in the OECD commercial pricing centers.
03:21And historically, those inventories, which are more salient, better measured,
03:27especially in the U.S., tend to be more important for price dynamics.
03:31The reason that the builds in the OECD commercial pricing centers have been so limited last year,
03:37despite a large surplus, is a very large rise in oil on water,
03:42both from sanctioned producers such as Iran, Russia, and Venezuela,
03:45but also related to the broad increase of production in places like Brazil and the U.S.
03:53History suggests that once oil and water has surged,
03:58oil and water inventories typically tend to normalize.
04:01We assume slight moderate increases.
04:04We have China buying, stockpiling at a 500 kbd pace,
04:08but if you have a 2.3 million barrels per day surplus on the back of prop-based supply strength,
04:12which is our base case, I think it's reasonable to assume
04:15that about a third of those builds will happen in the OECD.
04:19Our pricing framework is primarily based on OECD builds, but I have an open mind.
04:24Last year, prices trended down, and if you actually plot the downward trend in oil prices in 2025
04:30against basically global stocks inverted, the two lines are very much on top of each other.
04:37So the market may be putting a greater weight on global stocks,
04:40I think, as those have become better measured in an environment
04:44where we can all track with satellite data the builds in global oil markets, not only in the OECD.
04:50Yeah. Okay. Fascinating.
04:53I can't let you go without asking you about Venezuela
04:56and the fact that the Trump administration is obviously very keen
04:59to have these international oil companies invest.
05:02You had the likes of ExxonMobil saying that Venezuela is, quote, uninvestable.
05:07What do you see as the supply actual potential of Venezuela in the coming years?
05:13I mean, how quickly are they going to ramp this up, or do you expect things to get ramped up?
05:20So I would distinguish really two periods.
05:22In the short term, I think there are some low-hanging barrels from Venezuela
05:25that can come back to the market.
05:27In fact, we nudged up our forecast for Venezuelan crude production.
05:31And they're currently producing 800, 900 kbd to 1.1 million barrels per day by the end of this year.
05:37As several companies, including at our GS Energy Conference,
05:40have told markets that with limited investments in existing assets,
05:44with some workovers on their fields,
05:46they can bring some low-hanging barrels back to the market.
05:50In contrast with the long term, where I think it will take a lot of time,
05:54a lot of investment and clarity on the policy context,
05:58both in Venezuela and the U.S., to see more substantial increases.
06:02And so there we have a more cautious forecast.
06:05By 2030, we have Venezuelan crude production only at 1.3.
06:09That's higher than where we are now, but still significantly lower than where we were 20 years ago
06:15when Venezuela produced 4% of global production.
06:18But I think those low-hanging barrels can come back with relatively limited investments.
06:23And I think the U.S. administration is also quite focused on seeing those barrels coming to the market,
06:28in part because they're very attractive for the U.S. refiners
06:30that have been built in an era where Venezuela was a major producer.
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