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00:00Hello and welcome to episode 2 of The Traitors Uncloaked.
00:04This is your official visualised companion podcast with me, Ed Gamble.
00:08And before I go any further, there are so many spoilers in this episode that I lost count.
00:12So, make sure you've watched episode 2 of The Traitors on BBC iPlayer before you watch this.
00:18So, what's coming up?
00:20We'll take a deep dive into the secret traitor.
00:22What are the clues? Who are the main suspects?
00:25Judy and Nettie join us to reflect on their time in the castle.
00:28Plus, traitor hunter Joe Marler and faithful Tom and Alex from Series 1
00:33are here to talk secret traitors and bubbling suspicions.
00:41Welcome, welcome to all of you. Alex, Tom, Joe.
00:43Hello.
00:44Hello, Joe.
00:45Hello, Joe. Thanks for having us back.
00:47Of course, you're most welcome. We're very excited to have you here.
00:49We've got to talk about the secret traitor.
00:51Love it.
00:52In this series.
00:53This is mega.
00:53It's huge, isn't it?
00:54Oh, it's so cool.
00:56Few levels to the game now.
00:57I feel like I'm back in the game.
00:59Yeah.
01:00And now I've just started making notes.
01:02I saw that.
01:03Because of this secret traitor, I can play.
01:07I can actually play.
01:08Rather than just watch it and just breathe it, I can actually play now.
01:11So, I'm really excited, but also really bemused by it all.
01:15Yeah, it's perplexing for sure.
01:17I mean, we do have some clues, obviously.
01:20And us watching at home, we do get more clues than they do.
01:23We've got the shortlists for a start, because we know anyone who's been put on the shortlist
01:27for murder is not the secret traitor.
01:30So, so far, we know that James, Ben, Rhys and Maz are faithful.
01:34Can I just corroborate that with my...
01:36Yeah, open your notes.
01:37With my notes.
01:38I've been trying to read his notes, because he's clearly good at finding...
01:42Yeah, let Joe consult his very small book for such a big man.
01:48So, we've got James, Ben, Rhys and Maz.
01:50We know they're faithful.
01:52Faithful.
01:52Hundies.
01:53Hundies.
01:53They're Hundies.
01:54I actually, in my notes, wrote down that Maz could be the secret traitor, even though he can't, actually.
02:04He couldn't be.
02:04Yeah, yeah.
02:05But that's only because he had red trainers on.
02:07Oh.
02:08I love that we're looking at hair and clothes.
02:10Could be Sam, because he's got the same amount of letters as red in his name.
02:19Is that actually true?
02:20Joe, you have a reputation for being a really good traitor hunter.
02:23Yeah.
02:24I feel like some of this stuff...
02:25Hot luck.
02:26...is maybe a little bit spurious, maybe.
02:28Do you?
02:29Well, maybe the Sam Red thing.
02:31Obviously, our shortlist to murder in this episode is Ben, Rhys and Maz.
02:36Does this shortlist tell us anything, Joe, about who the secret traitor might be?
02:39Obviously, they seem to think it's a woman based on the fact that it's three men on the shortlist.
02:42Yeah, I'm inclined to go, it's feminine.
02:44Like, there's a lot of male-heavy shortlist on the murder.
02:48I mean, my speculation is that it could be Amanda.
02:51She was an ex-police detective.
02:53If she is a faithful, in my opinion, I think she's not playing a very good game.
02:57Okay.
02:57Because she's putting herself out there too much that the other traitors would want to murder her.
03:02Yeah.
03:02But if she is a secret traitor, then maybe she's actually playing a really good game.
03:06Because she's putting herself out there so much that no one would think that she's the traitor.
03:09So, we do have another pretty big clue, I think.
03:12Let's have a look at the handwriting on the murder shortlist from the previous episode.
03:16There it is.
03:17We can obviously look at the handwriting and perhaps compare that to some votes that have been on the chalkboards at the round table.
03:24It's quite small and neat handwriting.
03:26Yeah, I think it's really quite feminine.
03:28Yeah.
03:29And in my notebook, I made that Jade, Fiona and Roxy had quite similar writing.
03:36So, what about you, Tom and Alex?
03:38What does that handwriting tell you?
03:39And remember, there's a potential that the secret traitor could be disguising their handwriting at the round table or, indeed, when they're writing the shortlist.
03:48I would definitely be disguising my handwriting, for sure.
03:51It's quite old-fashioned writing.
03:53I don't think anyone really writes like that anymore.
03:54You look at the Zed, it's very...
03:56I mean, I haven't seen a Zed like that in a very, very long time.
03:59Yeah.
03:59I like the curve at the top of the day there.
04:01It's really good.
04:02It's really good writing.
04:03So, are you thinking older, then?
04:04I would lean towards someone maybe a bit more mature, yeah.
04:07Yeah.
04:08Who do we think it definitely is?
04:10And who are your Hundys, Joe?
04:11I want to say Faraz.
04:13Okay.
04:13I want him to be a Handy.
04:15Yeah.
04:15Because he just seems like, oh, I'm having a good time.
04:18Yeah, yeah.
04:20And that would be a mega twist if he's not.
04:22But, yeah, I'm going to stick with it.
04:24Faraz is a Handy.
04:25Faraz is a Handy.
04:26Tom?
04:27I think Sam.
04:28Okay.
04:29I think Sam.
04:29He was very loud, and I was very loud, and I was not a traitor.
04:34I think it would be crazy to be loud and traitor-y.
04:39If it is Sam, he's playing a very risky, I must say.
04:42A hugely risky game, I would say.
04:44Yeah.
04:44Because he's a real voice at the round table.
04:46Strong.
04:46He's going round, he's sowing seeds.
04:48No matter what he says, he was sowing seeds about Judy, I think.
04:51And if you're the secret traitor, you've got no heat on you.
04:53Yeah.
04:53Just be quiet.
04:54Sit back.
04:55Relax.
04:55Yeah, yeah.
04:56Enjoy the game.
04:56What about you, Alex?
04:57I also think Sam is a Handy, because he did make a bit of a fool of himself at the round table.
05:03Yeah.
05:03It was a lot.
05:04And if you were a secret traitor, and you've got that power, you would have zero need to do any of that.
05:10Yeah.
05:10And if he was, then it was a bit foolish.
05:13If you guys were the secret traitor, how do you think you would have played it?
05:16What do you think, Joe?
05:19Because I have no experience of being a traitor, I'd go berserk.
05:24I'd just start planting seeds and being like, right, it's Rachel.
05:30Why?
05:31I just know.
05:32I just reckon so.
05:32I'd just say it all, to get them all out early doors and then see what happens.
05:37But before I got that, I'd get a little bit closer to Hugo, because he's quite a character.
05:42Yeah, yeah.
05:42And I'd have a little bit of fun with him.
05:44Yeah.
05:44Maybe the odd wink and stuff like that.
05:47And then he's gone.
05:48So you'd give yourself away immediately as the secret traitor to the other traitors by like winking.
05:53Yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:53And finally, how do we think the traitors are doing so far?
05:56This is the traitors that we know the identity of.
05:59Joe, what do you reckon?
06:00I think Rachel's probably the one that's thinking more about how to strategise with the game and that lot.
06:09Hugo's being a bit more of the jolly, friendly, I'm a faithful, let's have a good laugh together.
06:13And Stephen, well, he's just immaculate.
06:17Yeah.
06:17Like, can we talk about how incredible he looks?
06:19Yes.
06:20Yeah, he's so cool.
06:21That blue jacket in the first episode.
06:23He looks great.
06:25But it's so nice to see them under as much pressure as the faithful.
06:29Yeah.
06:30Because they're all scrambling a little bit.
06:32Yeah, they're doing all right.
06:34Yeah, I'm enjoying them as a crew.
06:37I think they've been very, very well selected.
06:39And like you say, you've got the immaculate Stephen,
06:41you've got the savvy Rachel and then Hugo is like from a Dickens book.
06:47So we had our first roundtable of the series.
06:51And after coming under a lot of suspicion, Faithful Judy was voted out.
06:55I'd just like to say, you've been absolutely amazing.
06:58I've had an absolute blast.
07:00And I'm just me.
07:09I am.
07:15The faithful.
07:16Very sad to lose Judy this early.
07:25Yeah.
07:25Quite a character and clearly a lovely person as well.
07:29But obviously, the secret relationship.
07:31She is Roxy's mum.
07:32Does the secret relationship help in there?
07:35I mean, I'm obviously going to ask you to.
07:36No.
07:37I'm going to jump straight in.
07:38No.
07:39I mean, I shouted about it and we died.
07:42And then obviously, you keep it.
07:43You can't.
07:44We've not seen a couple do well yet.
07:46It's incredibly hard when you're in there as a pair.
07:48What do you think would have happened had you not shouted about it?
07:51Oh, we've been rich right now.
07:52We'd be on holiday.
07:52We'd be having a great time.
07:55No, I think having a secret relationship just adds to the stress.
08:00Yeah.
08:00Because you've not only got yourself to worry about,
08:02you're then worrying about that other person,
08:04which presumably you care about that person,
08:06otherwise you wouldn't have brought them in with you.
08:08But like the whole time that you were in there with me,
08:11I was thinking, oh God, is he going to make it in the next day?
08:13Like, is he making a fool of himself?
08:14What the hell is he wearing today?
08:16Honestly, she would do little lines like,
08:18oh, nice shirt and in my head, oh, you bought it for me.
08:19Very good.
08:20Very good.
08:21Like that.
08:21Right.
08:22It's almost time to invite our banished and murdered players
08:25into the studio.
08:26But before I chat to them,
08:27here's the moment they both found out who the traitors are
08:30shortly after leaving the game.
08:34Oh my God!
08:36Are you okay?
08:37Oh my God!
08:38Oh my gosh!
08:39I'm okay!
08:43The fact that I'm seeing you here now,
08:45I feel like I probably did play a part in that.
08:48And I am sorry for that.
08:49That's fine.
08:50It's killing me because I've either got regret in my heart
08:53for putting your name out there,
08:54or I'm going to be really excited.
08:57What are you?
08:58What were you?
08:59Well, to be honest, I'm...
09:08A faithful!
09:08Oh, Judy!
09:10Do you like that?
09:11I'm so sorry.
09:12I'm so sorry.
09:13It's okay.
09:14I feel like that's on me.
09:16No.
09:16And I'm sorry.
09:17We're in a game.
09:18Who are your definite traitors?
09:20I think one could be Roxy.
09:23Oh, why?
09:24Because she's quite bubbly and out there,
09:27and she's too much running around everybody.
09:30Okay.
09:30And lively.
09:32So, yeah, Roxy's one of them.
09:33Mm-hmm.
09:34Two is also Stephen.
09:36Oh.
09:37Because Stephen is...
09:39I mean, he's loving, he's very caring, you can see,
09:42and he always gives you a hug,
09:43makes sure you're all right.
09:44But, you see, for me, I just think...
09:47..it doesn't seem sincere...
09:49Mm-hmm.
09:49..when he gives me a hug and things like that.
09:51Okay.
09:53And the third one would be Sam.
09:56Oh!
09:57Because half the time he spends smiling and very quiet
10:01keeps himself in the background.
10:02Okay.
10:03Trying to be Mr. Smooth.
10:06So, yeah, I think it's Sam.
10:08Okay.
10:08Who do you think the traitors are, Nettie?
10:11Well, like, I do think you are a traitor.
10:14I can't lie.
10:15Okay.
10:16But then having time to reflect...
10:17Yeah.
10:18And you can tell me what you think about this.
10:20Okay.
10:20Rachel.
10:22Well, no, that's not...
10:24Okay.
10:25I don't think that with Rachel,
10:26because she tried to out Ross.
10:30She never voted for me.
10:31She voted for Ross.
10:32Okay.
10:33So, she could have jumped on the bandwagon,
10:35but she didn't.
10:36Right.
10:36She'll find out.
10:37Let's go.
10:38Let's do it.
10:38Okay.
10:39Oh, my God.
10:39Oh, God, I feel a bit sick.
10:42I can see who decided to kill me.
10:45Right.
10:45Right, okay.
10:48Oh!
10:49All right, first traitor name is Hugo.
10:54No way!
10:56Hugo.
10:58Jesus.
10:58He's using his barrister skills very well.
11:01Before I got through the round table,
11:03I was going to pick Hugo.
11:04What made you not?
11:06Sam.
11:07His whisperings.
11:08Yeah.
11:08All right, you ready for the next one?
11:09Yeah.
11:10God.
11:21Rachel.
11:22No!
11:23Rachel.
11:24No!
11:25I'm glad at least I got one right.
11:28Oh, my goodness.
11:29She's playing a good game.
11:30That is very good.
11:32Okay.
11:32Ready for the next one?
11:41You were right.
11:42Who?
11:43Stephen.
11:44I told you, did I?
11:45I told you.
11:46If we'd actually put our heads together,
11:48we would have had, like, two of the three.
11:51I knew that there was something there.
11:53Oh.
11:53I knew.
11:55I'm hoping people have got eyes on him.
11:57On both of them.
11:58I tell you what, I'm not being funny,
12:00but they're all playing a very good game.
12:02Yeah.
12:03Yeah.
12:03Just a minute, Nettie.
12:05There's another one, isn't there?
12:07There is.
12:08What is that one?
12:09Shall we find out?
12:11I don't know if I can check any more.
12:13Go on.
12:14But I'm kind of loving this.
12:15Yes, I am as well.
12:17Okay, let's go.
12:20Oh.
12:21See, I was thinking about this.
12:24There's a secret relationship.
12:25No.
12:28Do you...
12:29What?
12:32You!
12:34Judy and Roxy,
12:35a mother and daughter.
12:37What?
12:41Sorry.
12:42Is she adopted?
12:43Yes.
12:44Oh, my God.
12:47That's like half of that.
12:50Wow.
12:50What's the wedding from that one?
12:53I love that.
12:54So my daughter, I'm thinking,
12:56go, Roxy.
12:57Go, Roxy.
12:57I love that.
12:58Oh, you must be so proud.
12:59I'm so proud of her.
13:03And Judy and Nettie are with us now.
13:07Welcome to Unclose.
13:09We're obviously very sad to see you go so early.
13:11I know.
13:12But we're glad we get to chat with you now.
13:13Yes.
13:13First things first, Judy, in that tape, you said that you thought your own daughter was
13:19a traitor.
13:21Is that something you genuinely think, or were you just keeping up the pretense as long
13:25as you possibly could?
13:26To be fair, we did a mission together, and she gave me a look, and I thought, oh, she must
13:31be a traitor, and she must be saving me.
13:33And that's what I thought, obviously, not.
13:36Well, she was definitely trying to save you, I think.
13:38She was definitely trying, yes, she was.
13:39But was that a traitorous thing?
13:41We don't know yet, but potentially.
13:43But I love that you allowed yourself to suspect your own daughter.
13:47I mean, we've been discussing it already, but we thought as soon as you went in there,
13:51Roxy was basically treating you openly like you were her mum anyway.
13:55We saw her going, the problem is, Judy, you're a very loud lady.
13:59Yes.
13:59A bit forward for a stranger.
14:03I am.
14:04Netta, your reaction to finding out that Judy is Roxy's mum was absolutely priceless.
14:09I was shook.
14:10Yeah, talk us through that reaction.
14:11Well, of the evening that I did have, I was sort of putting all these sort of little links
14:17together.
14:18She'd obviously said on the train she was adopted, so I took that on board.
14:22But I'm going down the route of Harriet, you know, Fiona, anyone else.
14:27Didn't look at this one here.
14:29Yeah.
14:29So that, yeah, that did throw me slightly.
14:32It must have been nice to see Roxy defend you so much, though, Judy at the round table.
14:36Oh, I was saying, go on, Roxy.
14:37I know what my daughter's like.
14:39She's very, she's very out there.
14:41And if she's got something to be in a bonnet, she will grab onto it and run with it.
14:45Yeah.
14:45So I knew she was sort of trying to stick up for me.
14:47You've only just seen her reaction after you left the round table.
14:52She was pretty cross with everyone.
14:54Oh, yeah.
14:55That's Roxy to a T.
14:57It looks like she's on a bit of a revenge mission now, though.
14:59Oh, she will be.
15:00Oh, she will be.
15:01I mean, for me, obviously, I came out and I just thought, go and shine.
15:06Go and be the Roxy I know and love.
15:08Did you at any moment plan to reveal your relationship?
15:11No.
15:11Keep it secret to the end?
15:12Oh, we had a full mission and everything.
15:14Oh, we don't know each other.
15:16And she just kept gravitating to me.
15:18Let's talk about your predictions in that tape about who the traitors were.
15:21So, Nettie, what made you suspicious of Rachel?
15:24I didn't get much time to sort of talk with her in the castle.
15:27But do you remember on the night that I was murdered, she was in the kitchen.
15:32She was very good at kind of just listening to people.
15:34She didn't say too much.
15:36I was going at it with Ross and saying, you know, all these sorts of things.
15:40Just watch out.
15:41And, you know, she's just over there in the corner quietly soaking it all in.
15:45Yeah.
15:45So, I think she maybe used that against me.
15:48Jo, what did we think of their traitors' predictions?
15:50Because there were two out of three between the two of them.
15:53Not bad.
15:54Well, it's spot on, isn't it?
15:55Yeah, we did a lot.
15:56It's just a shame that everyone else wanted to get rid of you.
15:59If you stayed in there longer, you'd have hunted them down.
16:02I think we would have had them.
16:03I think we would have been on it.
16:04But maybe we were the threat that they didn't want in there.
16:07Got a bit scared of us.
16:08Too strong ladies.
16:09I think so.
16:09Oh, you're now friends now.
16:12She's forgiving me.
16:14I think it's fair to say there were some prior relationships in there for both of you, actually.
16:20But some more unexpected than others.
16:23I know how it looks.
16:25I'll be really honest and say, when I'd initially come out of the cars,
16:29I was obviously saying hello to everybody.
16:31And I'd initially, honestly, just planned to go recognize her and not say anything.
16:35But one thing I want to assure you, I had genuinely no idea.
16:42I'm still sitting on the fence.
16:44I don't necessarily know whether you're traitors or not,
16:47but the connection for me is just a little bit like, it's a huge coincidence.
16:52Yeah, yeah.
16:53That's fair.
16:53It's just got to be questioned, but that's just me being honest with you.
16:58Aw!
16:59Judy, that was like the popcorn meme.
17:01Of just you sitting back with us, just enjoying it all unfold.
17:07Nettie, talk us through how you felt when you saw Russ when you arrived at the castle.
17:11I mean, my mind was blown, and I think you saw from my reaction,
17:13it was just sheer, what is this?
17:17To the point where I mounted him in excitement.
17:20Wow.
17:21I was not expecting it at all.
17:24In my mind's eye, I've come to this castle,
17:27I'm not going to know anyone,
17:28and then this big beast of a man that, you know, has got quite a presence.
17:33I'm like, I know you.
17:34Did you recognise him straight away?
17:35Yes, albeit I couldn't remember his name in the first bit second,
17:39because it has been such a long time since we saw each other.
17:43Yeah.
17:43But, you know, you're not going to forget that face and body.
17:45Yeah.
17:46Not if that sounds wrong.
17:48It sounds how it sounds.
17:49I don't mean in my house.
17:50Yeah, it sounds exactly how it sounds.
17:51But he's a presence.
17:52He's a presence.
17:53How do you know each other?
17:55Just years and years ago, we had a mutual friend.
17:57I played basketball, and he's obviously into fitness,
18:00and it was just sort of a connection through that.
18:04So, South East London.
18:05But what a mad coincidence.
18:07And I just, I couldn't stop my brain ticking over,
18:09like how, I just didn't understand.
18:11Was it planned?
18:12Did they know?
18:13Were you secretly gutted, though?
18:15I know you had that moment where you mounted him,
18:17and you were like, great to see you.
18:20Great to see you, Ross.
18:22Who are you?
18:23But then were you like, oh, maybe this is going to work against me.
18:27No, see, I'm not as smart as, like, he obviously said he didn't plan to.
18:31And he didn't know I was going to be there either.
18:33It was genuine shock for both of us.
18:36But in my, I'm an excitable puppy,
18:38so I hadn't sort of thought a few steps ahead in terms of,
18:42okay, I can't play into this, because clearly I just reacted.
18:45Well, you can see that when you see each other,
18:47that he has that split second of like, should I say, should I not?
18:51And by that point, you're on it.
18:52I didn't give him a chance.
18:53Yeah.
18:53You're absolutely on it.
18:54You have no chance in this.
18:56I wonder what would have happened if you just,
18:57he turned around and went, I've no idea who you are.
19:00Who are you?
19:01Why are you, why are you, this is weird.
19:03Did you push me away by the head?
19:06Judy, did you suspect anything of their relationship?
19:09How did you feel when you found out that they knew each other in the past?
19:11Well, the first thing you think, oh, why, they're in together, are they a couple?
19:15Yeah.
19:15Of course you're going to go down that road.
19:16I mean, imagine, imagine if they were a secret couple and then Nettie blew it that early.
19:22She's like, oh, I've forgotten.
19:24I've bloody mounted him now.
19:26There's nothing I can do.
19:29But then if you, like, if you had thought that,
19:32knowing that you and Roxy had your secret relationship,
19:35would you have thought, you didn't obviously think any different of it.
19:38Obviously.
19:39Everyone's like, ooh, ooh, ooh.
19:40So obviously it got people talking, so there's something else to talk about.
19:43That's a really good point.
19:44That very much takes the heat off you and Roxy initially,
19:46that they're all talking about that relationship
19:48rather than any potential other ones.
19:51Who made the decision to go on the show, Judy?
19:52Was it you or Roxy?
19:53Me?
19:54Roxy got me into the game, obviously, to watch it.
19:58And she says, there's a great thing on you,
19:59you need to watch this mum and da-da-da-da, whatever.
20:02And then when it finished, I thought, I could do that.
20:05I could do that.
20:06I was going on my own.
20:07And I thought, you know what?
20:08I'm Roxy.
20:09She lives in Amsterdam.
20:10She's a recruitment officer.
20:12And I adopted her.
20:13Why not?
20:13So you only adopted her after you'd applied for Traitor?
20:15No.
20:18I need a daughter to go on Traitors with.
20:25So, of course, the huge thing in this series,
20:28right at the top of the series, the secret traitor.
20:31Are there any inklings from you guys
20:33as to who the secret traitor could be?
20:36Let's start with you, Nettie.
20:37It baffled the hell out of me because just no expectation.
20:41Obviously, you know that something's going to be different.
20:43So even when we're on the train, we're like,
20:45something's going to happen.
20:46And it was all a bit too easy.
20:47So this bombshell was fabulous.
20:49I love it.
20:50I want to think of Fiona as I watch her
20:53and thinking about how she was in the castle,
20:56like very bubbly and sort of silly.
20:59But then watching her when she's in sort of the private chats,
21:03she just had this like air of calm and cool about her.
21:06So I think she's got my eye on her.
21:10What about you, Judy?
21:11I think Jade.
21:13Jade could be a good shout
21:14because she's being a little bit quiet,
21:16but she's still involved in the game.
21:17She can hold her own, Jade.
21:18Yeah.
21:18She can definitely hold her own.
21:19Did you pick up on the handwriting as well?
21:21Round the round table.
21:22I think Judy had enough to deal with at the round table.
21:25Judy, Judy.
21:26No, never.
21:26Oh, that was going down.
21:28What's it like in that moment
21:29when you're at the round table
21:30and you can feel a lot of suspicion coming at you?
21:33How does that feel?
21:34Well, obviously I was warm because Roxy had said,
21:36Judy, your name's been out there a lot.
21:38I thought, oh, is it now?
21:40And obviously there's a little bit
21:41where you see me talk to somebody in the kitchen.
21:45Yes.
21:45So I was ready.
21:46I thought, bring it on.
21:47You went down with your head held high.
21:49I did.
21:50I loved that moment where you'd got wind of,
21:52who's been saying my name?
21:54Yeah.
21:55And then it was like, oh, Sam's been saying it a lot.
21:57He's like, where is he?
21:58Yeah, where is he?
21:59There's no moment to be like,
22:02I wonder what's going to happen.
22:03Let's collect ourselves and see what's going to happen.
22:06It is, where is he?
22:07Find him now.
22:08Are you avoiding me today, Sam?
22:10No.
22:12Aren't you?
22:14Why?
22:15Why'd you say that?
22:15I've not spoke to you much today.
22:17I think you're avoiding me.
22:17You were carrying me on the throne.
22:20I don't know.
22:20I think you're avoiding me for some reason,
22:21but I'm ready for you.
22:23What made you go,
22:24right, I'm just going to go confront him straight away?
22:27Because that's what kind of person I am.
22:28I can't have anything to fester.
22:30I have to confront it, say it,
22:32get it off my chest.
22:33Was it awkward the fact that you were sat next to each other
22:36at the round table?
22:37Yeah, that was so good.
22:38I've never seen someone so loud go so quiet so quickly
22:40and then have to sit next to that person.
22:42It was so good.
22:43Because he's playing a completely different game of traitors
22:45to the one you were playing.
22:47Because he was not expecting anyone to call him out on it.
22:50He was like, well, that'll come up at the round table,
22:52but this game's all about subterfuge.
22:54It's about being quiet.
22:55It's about not revealing your true intentions.
22:57Next thing you know, kitchen door flies off the throne.
22:59In comes Judy.
23:01You've been avoiding me today.
23:04I can't believe I said that.
23:05Oh, it's great.
23:06It's so good.
23:07So good.
23:08Tom and Alex,
23:09how do you think Roxy should play the game
23:11now that Judy's out?
23:13Do you think keep the relationship absolutely quiet?
23:15Put it in the bin.
23:16Act like it never existed.
23:18There's literally zero reason
23:21or benefit to her to mention it.
23:23I think she should get the revenge mission done.
23:25Yes.
23:26Yeah, just for a month.
23:28Get Sam gone and then just forget about it.
23:30Yeah.
23:31Withdraw, just so that you still love her.
23:33And she probably will.
23:34You don't want your mum on holiday with you
23:36for the whole thing anyway, do you?
23:37No.
23:38No, not at all.
23:40I feel like you wouldn't cramp her style.
23:41I feel like you would elevate it.
23:43Yeah, we've got a great relationship
23:44and she can hold her own.
23:46Yeah.
23:47I don't need to hold her hand.
23:48I love the way how much you defended yourself.
23:50I would love to have seen you
23:51if someone was accusing Roxy in front of you.
23:53Oh, yeah.
23:53That would have been great.
23:54Yeah, how would that have gone down?
23:55There's not enough words on here.
23:59Before we go, Joe,
24:00I think we have to talk about your trainers
24:01because they're absolutely incredible.
24:03Thanks.
24:03Yours are nice too.
24:04Thank you so much.
24:05But mine aren't sort of custom traitors trainers.
24:08Yes.
24:08The celebrity trainers, of course.
24:10Yeah, I got these done.
24:12They're amazing.
24:12Yeah, I did send it to the rest of the cast
24:15to get their thoughts
24:17and they were fucking livid.
24:19Sorry.
24:20Sorry.
24:21They were livid.
24:23They were like,
24:23what have you done to our faces?
24:25Well, it was based around the laser mission that we had.
24:31Yes.
24:31Where the heads that we had made of us
24:34were slightly suspect as well.
24:36They're really cool.
24:38I thought they're nice
24:38and this is the opportunity to wear them.
24:41Yeah, they're perfect.
24:42I love them.
24:43The chat continues over on BBC Sounds
24:45where Joe, Tom, Alex, Nettie and Judy
24:47will be sticking around
24:48to do a tactical deep dive on the series so far
24:51and we'll also be discussing post-traitor's life.
24:53It's all in your bonus episode of Uncloaked
24:56which you can listen to right now.
24:58It's quite simple, really.
24:59All you need to do is scan the QR code on the screen
25:01or search for us on your BBC Sounds app.
25:04We'll be back tomorrow night
25:05where I'll be joined by celebrity traitor Kat Burns
25:08and Faithful Turn Traitor from Series 3 Charlotte
25:11for more fun and treachery on BBC One.
25:13A huge thanks to Joe, Tom, Alex, Judy and Nettie
25:16for joining me.
25:17I'm Ed Gamble.
25:18Stay faithful.
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