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00:00This is a subject I love, our connection to our beloved pets.
00:18Tammy Billups is a pet medium who has written an award-winning book on our soul contracts
00:22with our pets, and now one on how our pets can help heal us, and we can help heal their
00:28wounded parts as well. I can't help but think of my little wounded terrier, Ernie, in this
00:33subject, and I'm sure you're going to find your little doggy or cat somewhere in this
00:36story, too. So let's go to Tammy. Tammy, I'm so happy to have you here. I just, I love,
00:40love, love this topic.
00:42Thank you so much. I love it, too. I never tire of it.
00:46Well, let's get into your background and how you ended up doing this, because people, how
00:50did she end up talking to animals and connecting with them, you know, telepathically and so forth.
00:55So let's get into your background a bit.
00:57Okay. Well, it wasn't part of my plan to do this. You've probably heard that before.
01:02I began working with people more. I took a four-year certification to learn how to help
01:09people heal their emotional wounds through the energy fields, and I was maybe in the first
01:17year of doing that, and animals had always been a big blessing to me. I, like many people,
01:23had a lot of trauma in the past where animals were safer to let in, and so I always had animals
01:28close to me, and I wondered, I wonder if this stuff works with animals. And so it was interesting,
01:34because I began asking my friends, can I work on your animals and just see if I can see what's
01:39happening in their energy fields? And when I did that, the fascinating thing was that I
01:45would look into their energy field and see a clear pattern. There are certain characteristics
01:50or the way that the energy flows for certain emotional wounds that are predictable. And so
01:54I would see perhaps that the animal had an abandonment wound in their energy field, and then I would
02:00kind of pan to their person, and guess what? Their person had the same emotional wound that
02:07was unhealed. And I found that fascinating.
02:09Yeah. Now, as you're saying this, everybody, think about your pets and their wounds they bring
02:15and how you mirror them, because I'm doing that as we're talking, but I have a couple questions.
02:20So you must have been very open and empathetic to begin with.
02:23Yes.
02:24Yeah. So you're an empath. So when you looked in their field at their wounds, did it show up
02:29similarly to how that would show up in a human field?
02:32It did. And I'm not sure if that was just for ease of me recognizing it.
02:36It'll present how it needs to for your recognition.
02:38Correct. Correct. But yes, it was very much there. And I started noticing that there were
02:44behaviors that were the same between them. There were certain differences between how people might
02:49show up with abandonment or an animal, but it is predictable for different ways that their
02:55behaviors are going to be, or they're going to talk a lot, or they're going to, depending on what
02:59their emotional wound is.
03:00Interesting. Yeah. As I'm kind of searching through, too, in my own mind, I'm thinking,
03:04wow, I must be schizophrenic because of the variety of dogs that I've brought to me. But it's
03:12interesting that the female dogs I've had, I got from puppyhood and they were perfect. They were
03:18just kind of perfect little dogs. They didn't have any issues, confident. You could even do fireworks
03:23on 4th of July. Didn't bother them any. The males were the wounded ones that had had trauma when I
03:30got them. Wow, what a difference in the two types of dogs. But it was nice to be surrounded by both
03:37kinds of energy, but your heart just pours out to the ones who have been wounded.
03:40Of course, of course. So it must have been where you were on your emotional journey as well, that
03:45you were open to receiving that in any way, maybe doing some deeper work at that time.
03:50Yeah, yeah. I mean, and I bring it up because everybody's thinking, they might even be pausing
03:54for a second. Yeah, what about that dog I had back then? And now in your case, it's cat. So
03:59let's get into the notion of, was there one particular pet that you had along the way that
04:05just you knew when you met them, this being was here for you and you were here for them. You knew
04:11you had a soul connection, even before you understood all of this.
04:14Oh, yeah. It definitely happened before. That's what really changed my life because
04:18we weren't really allowed to, as a child, I wasn't allowed to have animals. I'm not one of those
04:23animal people that says, I lived on a farm and I was talking to animals early. That was not the
04:28case. They weren't allowed in my house. They were dirty in my mom's mind. So when I got into my
04:35career that I traveled a bunch in my 20s, I started wanting an animal and a cat seemed to be the
04:41perfect choice for traveling a bit. Yeah, not as codependent. Correct. Yeah. And so when I got this
04:48kitten, Kalua, who I found on the side of the road, she was a splotchy little named her Kalua because it
04:52looked like someone had spilt some on her. And she looked at me in a way that no one had ever
05:01looked at me before. And it still brings up emotion today. I understand. And you don't realize that
05:06you've never heard or felt unconditional love until you feel it for the first time. And animals are
05:12so extraordinary in that they bring that to humans that have had a lot of trauma in their past.
05:18She changed me. She rocked me at my core because I had felt that. I didn't know that I could love
05:25in that way. They were my safety net and they always will be. It's a different relationship
05:31now, of course, that I'm on a conscious journey than the relationship I had with my animals in
05:36my 20s and 30s, which were much more codependent. Sure, sure. What it really does underscore is that
05:43love tends to be so conditional. It shouldn't be, but in the end, it is. And part of the way you
05:54understand that is by feeling the contrast when it's not conditional. The very ones that love us
06:01unconditionally are the ones that we outlive too. And that certainly for a lot of people is the biggest
06:06trauma, one of the biggest traumas in their life. But yeah, and I had a dog named Sugar Bear who was a
06:12Samoyed. She was draped over a man's arm. He was walking through the parking lot and he was carrying
06:17a little free sign with him. And I thought, this can't be this cute little floppy white puppy.
06:24And she ended up being the most unconditionally loving, beautiful entity that I had ever met in
06:30my life, just like what you're talking about. And actually, because my love for her was so deep,
06:35I stayed in a not very good human relationship for years.
06:38Oh, for the kids.
06:40Yeah, for the kids. And I think people can really understand that and relate to it. So
06:44let's go to now how this soul contract part of it, because that's another book you've written
06:50before we start going into the reflective mirrored healing parts.
06:54So that we do have these, our souls line up agreements between us and our animals. These
07:02things are preconceived. Sometimes we'll reincarnate, you know, the same animals we incarnate with
07:07several times because we're so familiar with them, which is amazing. We'll recognize them
07:12just like what people. And so we will embark upon these agreements that we have with animals
07:18to help us grow, learn, heal, evolve, depending on what we're needing on our evolutionary journey.
07:26And animals will help us direct ourselves in the journey that we want to evolve to.
07:31They're evolving as well, of course, but we've really lined up these things in advance.
07:36Give me some examples of what you've seen with some of your clients in terms of soul contracts.
07:41I love these stories. And because we always think that we're in control, right? And well,
07:46I think it's time to get a cat. And that's the end of the story. So you're going to go somewhere
07:51and find a cute cat. But let's talk about what's really going on.
07:55Right. People think they're just getting this pet and they're just going to have this unconditional
07:59love and they're going to be able to go on walks with them and, oh, they're helping them exercise.
08:03But there's a lot more going on under the surface and at a soul level for your growth. And the more
08:09open you are to that, then the more soul contracts are going to start revealing themselves,
08:14the higher purpose of your arrangement as to why you came together to learn and grow together.
08:20It's truly extraordinary what animals are willing to do with this.
08:24So tell us a couple examples of people and their pets. You've read what they thought was
08:29happening versus what was actually happening.
08:32Well, I'll start with something more simplistic. Early when I started working with animals a bit and
08:38like so much of the time, people will call and want to fix their animal. My animal's doing this.
08:43Will you help them stop doing this or tell them I don't want them to jump on the sofa?
08:49Right. Can you fix them? And I remember one call in particular of a woman who just called and she
08:57said, I have this dog and he's jumping and he's jumping and he's jumping and he's jumping and I
09:00can't get him to stop jumping and I just don't know what to do. And she's going on and on and on.
09:04And her voice is jumping and jumping and jumping. And I started working with the dog and the dog
09:10immediately calmed and got grounded and was fine, but her energy didn't change. She stayed in this
09:18very ungrounded state where she was very, uh, jumpy herself. And so then she called a week later. She
09:25goes, well, it didn't stick. And I said, Hmm, well, how can we look at this differently? How about,
09:31do you meditate? Well, I'm open to meditate. Well, can you meditate together maybe? And when you go
09:36walking, can you more intentionally see yourself grounding because your dog is picking up on
09:41everything that you're doing? And that little leash is a little energetic umbilical cord between
09:46the two of you. So she said, I'll try. And she began trying that. And then I didn't hear from her
09:52for a long time. And sometimes that's good news and sometimes not. But six months later, I started
09:57getting a lot of referrals from her. And she said, that was the ticket. And that's when I realized that
10:04when the person's on board, that's when the animal change. And that's when it's more sustainable.
10:10That's when it's going to stick what you're wanting for your animal. Same with the ailments.
10:14And so much of the time, Regina, I see people become aware of a conscious journey because of
10:21something that they're doing for their animal. They may not be aware yet. They may not be on a
10:26conscious journey, but then in order to fix their animal, they tried an animal communicator.
10:32They tried herbs. They tried things that started to open their minds to something different.
10:38And because of that, the animal said, yeah, high five. She's doing it now or he's doing it now.
10:44And they started learning about consciousness and what they could do for themselves.
10:49But when they begin a conscious journey together, that's when it gets juicy. That's why I love doing
10:56what I do. Oh, I can imagine. What gratifying work. Well, let's talk about maybe a story of
11:02abandonment because I look at people are picking their dogs up at the pound or at SPCA oftentimes.
11:11And so you know that there might be issues there.
11:14Yeah. So abandonment is one of those issues where, of course, we can, it's easy to recognize within the
11:19animal because a lot of times they've been adopted and returned, adopted and returned. Maybe they have
11:24separation anxiety. Maybe they're overeating. They use oral fixations, carry around a toy,
11:29overlook, all kinds of things that are really predictable. Sometimes the person's not quite as
11:34aware of their heavy abandonment wounds until they get together. And regardless of whether or not the
11:40animal has abandonment before you adopt them, if you're the one they land with, I promise you,
11:47you've got abandonment wounding. I remember there was a gentleman named Rick that called me about
11:51Sammy. And his primary motive in calling was, you need to fix Sammy. He's way too needy. I can't leave
11:58the farm. He's running after the truck. I can't go anywhere. Can you fix Sammy? And I said, okay, so let's
12:05focus on Sammy's abandonment wound. But you know, I just want you to be open to doing this with him. Are you
12:10open to a tandem session? Yeah, I'm open to it. He was very open and conscious about it. So he would lay down
12:17while I do the session as well. And they both began working on their abandonment wound. After
12:21the second session, he said, well, Sammy's not chasing the truck anymore. He goes, but you know
12:26what I realized? And I said, what? And he said, every single love relationship I've had, these
12:34girlfriends get very needy and very attached. And in the same way that Sammy gets attached. And I said,
12:41well, isn't that interesting? And he said, I think I've got abandonment. And I said, I think you're
12:47on to something. And then he said, I want to just work on me. And a lot of times that's the way that
12:52it works. I mean, this is so wonderful because you're qualified to do both. Yes. Yeah. So they go
12:57in tandem. And so sometimes these animals come into our life to show us this about ourselves.
13:03Yeah, that's beautiful. And you just said something when abandonment has to do with
13:07over licking, for example, and over eating, because I'm just thinking of a situation. I'm
13:12going to sprinkle this show. I'm going to totally take advantage of the time to bring in my own
13:16anecdotes here. Bring it on. Okay. So little Ernie, he had great emotional difficulties. He was
13:23just about nine months old running in a very busy intersection in Phoenix. Someone found him and
13:28my friend who does animal rescue ended up with him and he wouldn't let her touch him. He was
13:35freaked out just with his ears down and eyes wide, hugging the side of the sofa. So I thought,
13:41oh goodness, I just felt so sorry for him. I met him and we bonded instantly, but he never bonded with
13:47anyone else. I was his bond, but I already had a little dog named Angel, little Bijan, who I was
13:56driving through Malibu and just happened to stop at a cafe with a pet shop next door. And she's had a
14:04perfect life. She was like 16 weeks old, cute and happy and fluffy, jumped in my lap. Well,
14:11she was about, I'd say five years old when I got Ernie. And it didn't occur to me until you said that.
14:18That's when she started excessively licking her paws. So in that case, because Ernie was so needy,
14:25she must have felt abandoned because I think she did. She started getting her feelings hurt easily.
14:30Well, sometimes licking can also be a self-soothing or helping others move out energy in the house.
14:36So if she was the, was, she was the first dog, the little, the one that had no issues really. She
14:42was just happy as can be. Right. She sounds like she's more of the older soul of the two.
14:46And a lot of times they will help to soothe in some way the other animals.
14:51So she has to soothe herself by licking her paws. It might be a way that, that she's moving out the
14:56energy. Yeah. Um, and, and yes, it could be a little bit of that, you know, without intimately
15:02connecting with them. It could be that as well, that the, that there's some type of interaction
15:07with that. But it sounds like she was probably, um, that she could sense his anxiety. Right.
15:13And so she's helping him move it out. Oh, okay. Yeah. A lot of anxiety. She, yes, she was very
15:20sensitive. Yes. And helping move out the energy. And he was super intuitive. You thought it, he
15:26already knew you, you had to really be careful what you thought of around him. If you thought, okay,
15:31we're going to have a bath today. He'd already be hiding if I thought it. Yes. They get the visuals
15:36in our mind. Oh yeah. They're picking all that up. They do. Oh my God. So fascinating. So now this gets
15:41to another question then. So you might have a cat in the house and then maybe you decide to get a
15:46little puppy as well. Are there soul contracts between the other animals too? Yeah, they, they're
15:52definitely, they know each other sometimes and they've been together before. Sometimes they have
15:57some karma to work out amongst each other. And yes, I write about that in animal soul contracts where
16:03they do come in knowing there are people who will call and they'll say, I'm thinking about getting
16:07this animal. Do they have any stuff together? You know, do my animal that I, my dog now have any
16:13stuff with that? And sometimes I'll see a little angst between their higher selves where it's going
16:17to be difficult for them to be together because last time it wasn't so great. Maybe something really
16:21bad happened at the end at the, you know, from one of them towards the other. And so they'll remember
16:27that just like we do at a soul level. And sometimes they'll work it out just like us. They come
16:32together to heal together. They're looking to evolve. They're looking to resolve their past
16:37wounding this life or past life. Interesting. Well, in Angel's case, Angel lived to be 15. Ernie,
16:46Ernie died young. He had so many emotional wounds and I think I kind of get it why, but she died the
16:53same day as my father, both unexpectedly. It happened very quickly with both of them. And I always wondered,
16:59I think it was almost like a gift of freedom. Like she left at the same time because life was going to
17:07change or something. Did they have a relationship? They didn't. Um, I took her to see, she was in the
17:14car when I went to see my dad and things weren't right that day. His mind was all over and, um, I didn't
17:20know what was going on. So I just said goodbye to him and told him that no worries. And she had a seizure
17:27right after that in the car. And I thought, Oh my God, what's going on? And they were, they both died
17:34the next day. Wow. Just like that. That would have to be something with you and the changes of
17:39transformation. It had to be. I bring that, I'm bringing every example up because so many people
17:44watching have been through so many of these things and I'm just trying to put, I lost all three of my
17:49animals at the same time, right after my mother, big life changes. Same with my father. I lost then my two
17:54animals right afterwards. So they're in relationship with that where they're ready
17:59to maybe, I thought we're ready. We are, and they are ready to free us because we might need
18:05the freedom on some level. We've learned, we've gotten what they came into our life to learn.
18:09Right. Soul contracts are complete. We're shifting into a new level, a higher octave, whatever it is.
18:14Right. They're, they've, it's, it's complete. And we're, I see that often where, where there are
18:21multiple passings and it's difficult to go through those times. Oh my God.
18:26So difficult when there are multiple passings like that, but they are the most transformational
18:30times. And were they each, were your animals, it wasn't like there was one that was sick and gave
18:34the other the disease. They were individually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right after my, my big awakening
18:39came through the death of my mother. And, um, and then that kitty Kalua, my first, my first kitty
18:45was my big awakening in that two weeks after my mother passed, I'd had, my mom was talking about
18:52people on the other side coming to greet her. She was having those conversations. I, that was all
18:56new to me. It sent me on this whole journey of there's this other world on the other side.
19:02Yeah. And then Kalua, all of a sudden when she passed, mother hated cats. I didn't thought who's
19:08going to greet her. And I asked spirit to bring, uh, Kalua back to me. And guess what? All of a sudden
19:15that evening, I turn off the light, turn over. She's always jump on my head, come around. And I
19:19felt something jump up on the bed, walk around and wait for me to lift her up. I'm like, Oh my God,
19:25I turn on the light. There's no Kalua. That started my journey. All of a sudden I could see into other
19:30dimensions. I could see her. Wow. She was this big spring. She's back with me now as Rumi, as kitty
19:37Rumi. Yeah. So different now, but same kitty. But yeah, these animals have been, uh, springboards.
19:43Yes. Okay. So you had multiple contracts with her in this life. Yes. And then she passed right
19:49afterwards. Wow. Yeah. Interesting. Right after mom did. And the other two passed right away
19:54at 11 and 11, eight and six years of age. They brought me into this new journey. It was so
20:00difficult, but they did what they had come to do. It's so beautiful. I think sugar bear, the one I
20:07talked about, she came back very quickly as another Alaskan breed. And my ex, he was my
20:14ex by now. And we had a son. He said, this dog sure does feel like sugar bear. She does
20:20the same thing. Rescue. She, she, when she's lying down, it's in the same position. So I
20:26went and said, sugar bear. And she was like this and answered and turned around and ran toward
20:32me. And she stayed with them because she was to be there for my son because he was back
20:38and forth with the custody arrangement. And she was there to stabilize him at his dad's
20:43house. Yeah. It was so, so beautiful. And to this day, he'll get teared up if he hears
20:48about me. So, yeah. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. So let's talk about Mary Burkholz. I love this
20:55story. Caring for Creatures Animal Sanctuary. Yes. Yeah. Let's talk about her story with her
21:00rescue cats. That was pretty phenomenal. Oh, with the ones where, okay, okay. Because
21:04I have her in there a couple of times. Yeah, the UTI. Yes. So Mary, when she first started
21:09her rescue organization, some of the animals would be in her house at that point. So her
21:13house was on the sanctuary grounds, but before they were building all of the buildings for
21:17all the rescues, a lot of the animals were in the house. And there was one morning long
21:23ago when Mary got up in the morning and she felt awful. I mean, really sick. And she said,
21:28I went to the restroom. I knew I had a really bad UTI. And the kitties were all, all the
21:33rescued kitties were meowing for their breakfast. And she went to, she said, you know, it's just
21:39got to wait. She was that ill. And she lied back down on the bed and she fell asleep. And
21:44when she woke up, there were, she looked and there were six cats on the bed with their bottoms
21:51up against, three on each side, just holding. Right against her. Right against her. Right against her.
21:57And she said, what? Because these were cats that didn't commingle together and certainly
22:02didn't come up on the bed together. And as soon as she sat up, she realized she had no pain. All
22:09the symptoms were completely gone. Wow. And we know this about animals. We know they're
22:14extraordinary healers. We hear about these things all the time, but I really want people to realize
22:19how much they're doing this for us and to maybe slip into allow mode to allow it and find gratitude for
22:25it. Oh my God. Yes. Okay. So, okay. I'm going to flip things a little bit. So if you are, say,
22:33if you have issues of abandonment and then you bring in a little animal that has issues of
22:38abandonment, some people might flip it and ask, well, if I bring in an animal that has the same
22:43issues I have, isn't that essentially instantiating the same issues in me? Isn't it going deeper?
22:48Well, sure. That's what you want at a soul level. That's what we want.
22:52So it could get better before it gets worse. Yes. Or get worse before it gets better. Yes,
22:58absolutely. We're going to, we're magnets for that. At a soul level, we're calling in beings
23:04that are going to help us get to the root of what we're wanting to heal. So of course, we're going to
23:09call in animals that sometimes are the agitators. And we're going to call in the ones that are looking
23:14at us like we're golden because we're trying to believe that about ourselves. So yes, we're going to
23:20call that in. Yes. When, when two people come in, they have abandonment wounds. When you're on a
23:24conscious journey, you could say, oh, let's heal this together. It's a bit different then.
23:29Yes. Yes. Okay. So now we're talking about the emotional wounds here. And one of the things that
23:36you write about in the book is that the same beliefs we have, the most common simple beliefs
23:41that we carry often throughout incarnations are the same beliefs the animals carry, which
23:47is statements such as, I'm bad, I'm not enough, and I'm unlovable. So when they come to us,
23:55they may very well be carrying these exact same beliefs, except beliefs I think work differently
24:00in the animal world. They embody it more. Yeah. It's a bit more. Plus they're amplified usually
24:06within them for us until we get it and we start consciously working on our wound. And then they
24:13can usually heal much faster, much faster, depending on, of course, every soul is wired a bit differently,
24:20but they will, yes, I call them emotional wound soul contracts. And for those of us that get
24:27emotionally close to our animals, which are millions of people who turn to animals because
24:32they are safer. Well, at a soul level, we're always seeking growth. It's medicine for the soul.
24:38So yes, domesticated animals are on the front line of the animal kingdom's mission to help humanity to
24:43embrace consciousness at a new level. Yeah, our domestic pets, absolutely. Yes. In a way that we
24:49wouldn't have, millions of people would not have ways to continue their growth if it wasn't for the
24:53safety of animals to be able to help us do this. And healing our emotional wounds is a big part of why
24:59we're here. When we do that, we are moving forward. We are raising consciousness. So yes,
25:06these animals are going to come in. If you've been betrayed, they're probably going to have betrayal.
25:10Usually how people describe their animals, they're describing a bit of themselves, right? Oh, my,
25:14my animal's very stubborn and he wants to do what he wants to do and he wants to do it, you know?
25:19And it's like, great, that might mirror you, right? Well, yeah, I kind of been that way.
25:22Mm-hmm. So they're probably here together to heal that particular wound and soften the effects of
25:29it. Okay. So you have a little bit of typology in here, which people enjoy, which is the five types
25:35of emotional wounds in your pets, your cats and dogs, and you might even say parrots and birds as
25:40well. I don't know. And I will bring your knee into the conversation again because the first one is
25:46the scared one, terror. Yes. Yeah. The scared ones are, those are people and animals who have
25:55certainly experienced a lot of terror in past lives and in this life, torture really, and usually begins
26:02with two-legged anyway as early as the birth canal and being in the womb of maybe they were a birth
26:10that wasn't wanted, maybe even tried to abort. A lot of times they don't bring all of their soul energy
26:16in because they say, oh, no, no, no, I remember this now. I don't think I want to do this. I think I'm going to,
26:21you know, try to go back to the other side. And that can happen with animals as well. At the hands of people
26:26especially, they have experienced a lot. And so the scared ones come in wanting to feel safe in a body
26:35again, wanting to heal the terror. And those of them, we know where they are. And in fact, one of your
26:41animals you mentioned, was it Ernest? Yeah. Oh, Ernie. He probably had a lot of terror in his background
26:47that he wanted to overcome by being here. And sometimes they will set up circumstances for that
26:52to do it together. Interesting, because he, he, like I said, he bonded with me and I could do
26:58anything with him. I could bathe him, whatever needed to be done. I could, as long as it was me,
27:03but he wouldn't let anyone else close to him. Right. Yeah. And that can be, um, because it's,
27:09it's, they're, they feel unsafe. Right. And so clearly you established this great bond with him.
27:15You had a contract to help him to heal. Oh, yeah. It was instant. He literally let me touch him.
27:20Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. In a way that nobody else could. So clearly that's going to be helping
27:27him. And it's helping you. You might've been clearing some karma with him. Well, you might've
27:31been. Yeah. The birth canal, the whole birth thing. I did not, I definitely came kicking and screaming
27:36and came frank breach, very long labor. It's like, but first didn't want to at the last minute. No,
27:43no, no. I don't want to do this one. So there was that. Yeah. Sure. And we're all going to relate
27:48a little bit to each of the patterns, but some, we're going to be two to three that we're really
27:53going to feel as real for us. And those are the animals that are going to mirror that for us.
27:58Okay. That's the scared one. Then there's the needy one. Again, we're talking abandonment.
28:02Abandonment. Yes. And, and this usually starts in the oral developmental phase about that time when,
28:09uh, the mother is trying to, you're trying to suckle on the mother's teat for the animals.
28:13And for some reason you don't get enough or you don't have that spiritual connection. And of course,
28:19with big litters, with animals, that doesn't happen. Sometimes the mother passes, sometimes
28:23the mother rejects them. Right. I mean, there's all kinds of things that can happen with animals.
28:27With people, we know those things as well. Sometimes the mother isn't able to nurse. Sometimes there's
28:31some type of, of the, the baby isn't able to digest the milk for whatever reason, and they don't get
28:38enough. Sometimes the mother is working. So, you know, none of it's wrong. Of course, we all came
28:43in to, to heal these things together and there's past life of famine, starvation, all kinds of
28:49things that you come forth with. If you have any type of abandonment wounds to heal. And again, you're
28:54going to be coming together to heal that. And you're going to, as always, you're going to adapt
28:59coping mechanisms to help you do that with oral fixations, with the oral developmental phase
29:05abandonment. You're going to be looking external to get filled because you don't know how to fill
29:09yourself because you weren't filled fully at a time when you needed to know that, oh, I'm sustained
29:15here. I can actually withdraw from the teat and I know that I have enough. Right. And so when you
29:21don't get that feeling, everything is external. I'm seeking to be filled externally and I'm not going
29:26to have enough time, enough money, enough food, enough, whatever. There's not enough syndrome.
29:31Same for the animal. Not enough food. You're going to know it until you start to satiate within
29:36and begin to really look at how do I fill this up? How do I satiate myself in ways that I want?
29:42And usually, of course, that starts with love. Yeah. And releasing emotions that is kind of mad
29:47about that I didn't get that. Right. Or whatever emotions there are that need to come up to clear
29:51so that we can begin implementing the newer ways and putting the reparenting in place that's needed.
29:57Mm-hmm. Okay. The sensitive one. Sensitive one. These first three that I mentioned,
30:02these are the ones that are really attracted to animals for filling, that feel safer to be around
30:07animals more so. The next two. The next two, of course, as well. But these three really turn to
30:12animals because they're safer. Invasiveness is what's behind the sensitive ones. So these are people
30:17that were criticized, had a lot of trauma as well. Different. With the scared ones, it's more
30:23a physical trauma. If there's sexual abuse, it's very traumatic. With the sensitive ones,
30:29it's covert. It was the father who touched you. You couldn't say anything. It was manipulative.
30:34Or it was just an over-controlling parent. Or maybe even teasing from a parent or a brother or a sibling
30:41in some way, a cousin, some type of abuse. And then with animals, a lot of times they're over-controlled
30:47by the people that they first get there, where they're so over-controlled and it feels invasive.
30:54On a chain, stop that, you know. Right, right. Or in a very small space. Maybe they're kept in a crate.
30:59Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, you know, but they're over-controlled a lot.
31:03Mm-hmm. And they're going to be magnets to each other. These are people who are very, and animals,
31:07very empathetic because they have no boundaries because they were over-controlled. People came into
31:12their boundaries, so they're feeling everything. Mm-hmm. And they're very sensitive, very intuitive,
31:17become fabulous healers, I might add, because they are intuitive. Are intuitive, yeah. But these are
31:23the animals that a lot of times they want to be under the bed. Not like the scared ones. They want to be
31:28in a really safe place. But the sensitive ones are just, they, let me observe this from afar, because
31:34I know everything about everybody who's walking in this house, and I'm going to let you know who's good
31:38and who's not. Yeah. Because they can read their energy. And the same with people. These are people
31:44who go into social situations. They're feeling everything. They can get very overwhelmed by that.
31:49And these sensitive animals are teaching them to take time for themselves, that it's okay to be
31:54wired differently, that they can, I don't have to be social all the time. I need to replenish my energy.
32:00Mm-hmm. I need to go take some meditation time to refuel, and that's okay.
32:06And this is, I think, very helpful for people. Good.
32:10Then we have the protector. Yes, protector, the fire energy of all. The fire energy. And we know and
32:17hear these animals and people way in advance. They're righting the wrongs of the world. They're
32:23going to tell you who's right. Oh my God, I had one of those. Oh, did you? Oh yeah. Couldn't borrow the
32:28old sailor man. Yes. But these are the fire energy people and animals, and they are the doers. They're
32:33the masculine energy out of any of the patterns. And so these are the ones that, of course, are
32:40more reactive. These are the biters with a lot of the animals. Mm-hmm. And the people,
32:45not literally, but they are the ones that are the protectors and the invasiveness wounds,
32:50or come together as pairs. Yeah.
32:52Because they're going after the invasiveness, and the invasiveness are trying to learn their
32:55boundaries so that they say enough to the ones that are the protectors. Yes. And a lot of times,
33:01protective animals are in the life of an invasive person. To provide protection for that part was
33:08never protected within you. Interesting.
33:11Because there's a lot of times I'll say, well, does the animal react just when they're with you?
33:15Yes, no one else but me. They don't do it with anyone else. Well, they're protecting a part of
33:20you that was never protected. There's the growth.
33:23Well, yeah, Finbar, oh my gosh, a friend of mine had him. She was a prominent in the town,
33:28had a little magazine, and people had to go over to her place to work out their editorial stuff.
33:33And they'd be greeted at the door with this beast. He was this large Australian shepherd mix.
33:38And he would jump up and at the door, and everyone was like this.
33:43Yes.
33:44Like, could you please stop him so I can come in?
33:47And she was very aggressive, and she bit.
33:50Right.
33:51And he bit.
33:52And was there a person that was marrying them?
33:55Yeah, his owner was just like that.
33:57Yeah.
33:58And so ultimately, she had to move, and no one would take him. The sucker, everyone knows me.
34:03And she said, well, Regina, he's such a good boy, really. And I thought, really? So, of course,
34:10I go over to the house. He comes, sits at my feet, rolls his head back on my knees, and stares at me
34:19with these big puppy eyes. And he's like, I was totally in and conned from the first minute.
34:26And he was a total gentleman with me. But what turned out, when the people would come to deliver
34:32something in particular, it appeared he'd rush out the door before we could catch him.
34:37We thought he was trying to bite them. He was trying to herd them, it turned out.
34:40He was getting their sleeve trying to get them to come back to the house.
34:44So, very complex character. Anyway.
34:47Well, with those protectors, they're covering up their heart energy because they're protecting it.
34:54He was such a big heart. I mean, I've had so much wonderful, big-hearted energy from dogs.
34:59Yes.
35:00You know, no matter how damaged they appear. So, that's, yeah. And the last one is the perfect one.
35:06Yeah.
35:07Feeling perfectionism.
35:09Yes, as in perfectionism. And this is more that detachment of the true self.
35:14And with people, and usually they're brought up in families where there's another affectionistic parent
35:21in some way that's teaching them to focus more on external appearances, on material gains,
35:27on how they can show up in the... Every profile is about the learned progress of how they feel safe
35:33in the world. That's what's underneath it. And how the perfect one feels safe is by appearing perfect.
35:38And these are the people that, when they're fully immersed in it, of course, we have a little bit
35:42of each of them. These are the persons that always look perfect. Their lawns look perfect.
35:47Their houses are perfect. They're... And they're over-controlled.
35:49Your bells are all paid on time.
35:51Yes, yes.
35:51There's refrigerators stocked and lined up.
35:54Yes. They make it all look easy.
35:57Yeah.
35:57And they bring a lot of envy from others, actually, as well.
36:00Uh-huh.
36:01From people who maybe...
36:03Like us, whose lives are a little messier.
36:05Right, right. Yeah. A lot of heart protection around these animals and people as well. But once
36:10these two people, the people and the animal, I should say, come together and on a conscious
36:16journey, they're a dynamic duo and they are serving the world in ways that no other parent
36:21can. Because they are grounded, they begin to have more of an open heart versus always being
36:28in the mind, always trying to figure things out. They're beginning to feel things out
36:32as they begin to heal on the conscious journey. And these animals are a little bit more detached.
36:36They're not the warm and fuzzy abandonment who say, I'll take the attention from everyone.
36:41These animals are more holding what I call transformational healing presence. And that's
36:46where they can walk in the room and everybody feels better. Everyone feels better. But they
36:51aren't looking. They aren't going to be on your lap. They aren't going to be licking you.
36:54They're holding... And horses do this really well all the time.
36:57They're so amazing.
36:58They hold this sacred presence for others. And the people as well, when they really begin
37:04to heal behind the perfectionism and begin to open their heart more to the experiences,
37:09then they show up in this sacred, beautiful work that is undeniable for how many masses they
37:17can reach. Because these are people and animals who don't mind being seen. They're in the nursing
37:22homes. They're approaching others. They're, they're guides.
37:27That's beautiful. We only have a minute or two left. So I would like to ask you to,
37:31you'd like to talk about the albatross. Let's just finish on the story of the albatross.
37:35Oh, the albatross. Yes. The albatross, I was definitely drawn as I was writing the book. I started
37:42reading more about the journey of the albatross. And they can fly, I forget how much it's, I think it's like
37:4842,000 miles a year. And they begin in this one little place wherever they're born. And they make
37:55these trips around the world. And I began thinking, oh my gosh, what are their journeys? What are their
38:01stories? What they might have seen? They can actually sleep while they're flying.
38:06Oh my gosh. What an amazing trait. But what's the wonderful thing about the albatross is that once
38:12they land, they don't sit around and say, I'm not going to do that again. I'm not going to take that
38:19journey. That hurricane I had to go around was too much. They pack up their bags and they take off on
38:25another journey around the world again. They don't sit and do what we do and say, I need to be in this
38:31safe place. They trust that they have an inner compass within them to guide them. And I believe
38:37that that's what animals teach us, that we have the beautiful inner compass within us to guide all
38:43of our journeys and our partnerships with them. I love that. And that's beautiful. Any final little
38:50quick thought before we say goodbye? Well, I'd like to say one thing in that when you have an animal
38:56that's looking at you like you're golden and they open your heart and they're looking at you and
39:02saying, you are the best thing since sliced bread, you would best honor them. If you look in the mirror
39:08and you believe them, just believe them because that's why they came in your life. They don't want
39:14to hold your golden energy for you. Believe that you are what your animal sees in you.
39:19Oh, that's beautiful. Tammy, thank you so much. I've enjoyed every moment of this talk.
39:25Thank you so much. I have as well.
39:28Tammy's new book is called Your Animal, Your Soul Mirror. I love this topic, as you can tell, and
39:33I hope you've enjoyed the conversation and see yourself in it as well, and also your pets.
39:38You can go to Tammy's site at TammyBillips.com and learn much more about your connection with your
39:44pets. Until next time, thank you for joining us here on Open Minds.
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